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hist_text-digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 771
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Song query
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Oaken Kegs
-áááááá MtMan-List: HBCo Flag
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: HBCo Flag
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Terry C. Johnston / Titus Bass (Scratch)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston Update
-áááááá MtMan-List: A friend I never met. not yet. Thank you Terry Johnston.
-áááááá MtMan-List: unsubscribe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston Update
-áááááá MtMan-List: 1820-1840 Rifle sources?
-áááááá MtMan-List: 1831 powder horn info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 1831 powder horn info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 1831 powder horn info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 1820-1840 Rifle sources?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 1820-1840 Rifle sources?
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:03:53 -0700
From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
That is devastating news about Terry. What an awful coincidence that just
a couple of weeks after I finish the last Titus Bass book and am
wondering what comes next to feed my addiction this happens. I have
wanted to meet Terry for years and thank him personally for the many
hours of enjoyment while reading his books. It sounds like the end of the
trail is near for him. If this is his final ride, I hope it's a peaceful
one.
Another reminder not to take friends, family or life for granted.
"Teton" Todd D. Glover
http://homestead.juno.com/tetontodd/index.html
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:36:29 EST
From: WSmith4100@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
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Mark,
Thank you very much for he update. What a sad & unexpected
development. Like the others, Terry has given me many hours/days/weeksof
reading pleasure. I was touched by the very personal way that he and Vanette
answered the emails and letters. Made you feel like a true close friend.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Terry and Vanette and their family.
p.s. can somebody please post Terry's website. I wan't able to recover it
when my computer crashed.
Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith
Boise, ID
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Mark,
<BR> Thank you very much for he update. What a sad & unexpected
<BR>development. Like the others, Terry has given me many hours/days/weeksof
<BR>reading pleasure. I was touched by the very personal way that he and Vanette
<BR>answered the emails and letters. Made you feel like a true close friend.
<BR>Our thoughts and prayers go out to Terry and Vanette and their family.
<BR>
<BR>p.s. can somebody please post Terry's website. I wan't able to recover it
<BR>when my computer crashed.
<BR>
<BR>Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith
<BR>Boise, ID</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:38:30 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
To make things easier I dug out this from the information I just posted.
Lanney.
http://www.contemplator.com/america/
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:34:28 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
Lord knows what a mountaineer might have sung. Here are two sites with lots
of old music that can be mined for possibilities.
Lanney Ratcliff
http://chivalry.com/cantaria/lists/traditional.html
http://contemplator.com/folk.html
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:52:30 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Song query
>I'm looking for any songs (the lyrics, specifically) sung
>by mountain men.
Have you checked out the Contemplator web site? It's at
www.contemplator.com, and has lots of historic folk music, complete with
dates, nationalities, lyrics & music. And links to other good sites too.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:14:12 EST
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston
In a message dated 3/22, WSmith4100@aol.com writes:
<< p.s. can somebody please post Terry's website. I wan't able to recover
it
when my computer crashed. >>
The address is: http://cu.imt.net/~tjohnston/
Longshot
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"Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage"
(Newly Redesigned)
http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:17:07 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
> Lord knows what a mountaineer might have sung.
Dover sells a book that is nothing but 19th century songs.
I just saw it the other day when looking for something else.
They have a website and you can order directly online.
A quick websearch using Dover Publications will yield the URL.
For all others, it would behoove you to visit this site. They have tons of
books about the fur trade by prominent authors, including L&C's journals
in 3 volumes along with many other books of historical interest.
All are paperbound and most run around $9.95 to $20.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:28:22 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Oaken Kegs
In a message dated 3/21/01 8:55:48 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes:
<< To keep water fresh over long periods put a bag of anise seeds in the
water
and leave them there when in storage, >>
Thanks Boys...for all the tips. I got one of them white "you can drink out of
it" hoses, and slowly ran the water into the keg (two days!) and got the keg
to swell enough to hold the bands tight. No leaks now...
I'm thinkin I'll keep water in the kegs during the winters now, with the
anise seeds John Kramer mentions... Would be nice to scrub it out once in a
while, but my kegs don't open...just a bung and tap.
Headed to Bonnie Lake in the mourning with the Great Capt Lahti and a few
other AMM brothers for the weekend...should be great fun. We'll terrorize the
coyotes with our flintlocks and varmit calls.... and I will report.
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:35:55 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: HBCo Flag
Hallo the List,
Does anyone know where I can buy a 1800s, Hudson Bay Company flag?
(reproduction!) Mebbe something 2'X3' would work.... I've checked Ft.
Vancouver and they ain't got em.
Magpie
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:47:23 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HBCo Flag
In a message dated 3/22/01 9:36:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
SWcushing@aol.com writes:
<< Does anyone know where I can buy a 1800s, Hudson Bay Company flag? >>
Magpie, If Quinn Flags or AAA Flag & Banner don't have it as a stock item,
they can make it for you. Here's the links... Hope this helps! Barn
<A HREF="http://www.quinnflags.com/">Quinn Flags and Banners.
</A><A HREF="http://www.aaaflag.com/">AAA FLAG & BANNER MFG.</A>
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:38:48 -0500
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Song Inquiry
Those are great sites for music. I play dulcimer and did not have a few of the
lyrics to some songs, now I do.
Linda holley
Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
> Lord knows what a mountaineer might have sung. Here are two sites with lots
> of old music that can be mined for possibilities.
> Lanney Ratcliff
> http://chivalry.com/cantaria/lists/traditional.html
>
> http://contemplator.com/folk.html
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:47:36 -0500
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Terry C. Johnston / Titus Bass (Scratch)
"Patrick, Ian" wrote:
> <<even Titus Bass can't win all the battles>>
> No one is more grieved than I to send this
> news. Thank you all for your kind thoughts
> and prayers for him. The Great Spirit evidently
> needs a story teller. We were blessed that he
> told us the ones he had time to here.
> Ian
>
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> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010323005927.0072b960@imt.net>
> From: Vanette Johnston <tjohnston@imt.net>
> To: alanpiehl@msn.com
> Subject: even Titus Bass can't win all the battles
> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:59:27 -0700
> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
>
> I know it has been several days since the last email and I apologize. On
> Monday at CT scan revealed three "spots" on Terry's brain. Tuesday morning
> he had a MRI which confirmed that the "spots" were indeed malignant tumors
> and that over the course of time Terry had suffered a series of strokes.
> All five of Terry's doctor's gave the same prognosis - he wouldn't survive
> the treatment and he would have brain damage. Since Terry and I discussed
> this many times before, I knew of his wishes. Wednesday morning at 9:30
> a.m. Terry was taken off of all life support, with the exception of some
> oxygen to assist his while breathing on his own. The doctors did not
> expect him to last long once the ventilator was withdrawn. Well, if you
> know Terry, of course he proved them wrong! He is still fighting even
> though we know the inevitable will come. Terry's dear friend, Link Hullar,
> and I have been with Terry since the life support was withdrawn so there is
> someone with him at all times. Sue Hart and Bob and Patty Sidey have been
> there also to help with details and support. It is just a matter of time.
> We know that this was the hardest battle Terry ever had to fight and he,
> like Titus Bass, couldn't win this one. The doctors now feel, after seeing
> how fast these tumors developed in the brain that he may never have had a
> chance. At least Terry has been spared the agony of chemotherapy which
> would have had the same end result but with a lot more pain and suffering.
> And this way, he gets to keep his topknot!
>
> Thank you for all the prayers and well wishes. I will send one last email
> when the time comes.
>
> Vanette
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:41:06 EST
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston Update
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Here is an update from Vanette Johnston on Terry's condition :
Forwarded By Roadkill
"On Monday a CT scan revealed three "spots" on Terry's brain.=A0 Tuesday
morning he had a MRI which confirmed that the "spots" were indeed
malignant tumors and that over the course of time Terry had suffered a
series of strokes.
"All five of Terry's doctor's gave the same prognosis - he wouldn't
survive the treatment and he would have brain damage.=A0 Since Terry and I
discussed this many times before, I knew of his wishes.=A0 Wednesday
morning at 9:30 a.m. Terry was taken off of all life support, with the
exception of some oxygen to assist his while breathing on his own.
"The doctors did not expect him to last long once the ventilator was
withdrawn.=A0 Well, if you know Terry, of course he proved them wrong!=A0 He
is still fighting even though we know the inevitable will come.=A0 Terry's
dear friend, Link Hullar, and I have been with Terry since the life
support was withdrawn so there is someone with him at all times.=A0 Sue
Hart and Bob and Patty Sidey have been there also to help with details
and support.=A0 It is just a matter of time.
"We know that this was the hardest battle Terry ever had to fight and
he, like Titus Bass, couldn't win this one.=A0 The doctors now feel, after
seeing how fast these tumors developed in the brain that he may never
have had a chance.
"At least Terry has been spared the agony of chemotherapy which would
have had the same end result but with a lot more pain and suffering. And
this way, he gets to keep his topknot!
Thank you for all the prayers and well wishes.=A0 I will send one last
email
when the time comes.
Vanette"
I wanted to convey to you all how kind and thoughtful Vanette has been
to keep us all informed at this most difficult time in her life and the
life of their kids.=A0 She is a rock.
A fund is in the process of being established where by people who wish
to make a contribution=A0 to help with medical expenses and the
establishment of a scholarship fund will be able to donate.
I will let you know when the funeral will be and if it will be open to
the public.
Someone had asked about Terry's web site:
http://www.imt.net/~tjohnston/index.html
Jim Wirshborn
msws@msws.net
www.msws.net
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Here is an update from Va=
nette Johnston on Terry's condition :
<BR>
<BR>Forwarded By Roadkill
<BR>
<BR>"On Monday a CT scan revealed three "spots" on Terry's brain.=A0 Tuesday
<BR>morning he had a MRI which confirmed that the "spots" were indeed
<BR>malignant tumors and that over the course of time Terry had suffered a
<BR>series of strokes.
<BR>
<BR>"All five of Terry's doctor's gave the same prognosis - he wouldn't
<BR>survive the treatment and he would have brain damage.=A0 Since Terry and=
I
<BR>discussed this many times before, I knew of his wishes.=A0 Wednesday
<BR>morning at 9:30 a.m. Terry was taken off of all life support, with the
<BR>exception of some oxygen to assist his while breathing on his own.
<BR>
<BR>"The doctors did not expect him to last long once the ventilator was
<BR>withdrawn.=A0 Well, if you know Terry, of course he proved them wrong!=
=A0 He
<BR>is still fighting even though we know the inevitable will come.=A0 Terry=
's
<BR>dear friend, Link Hullar, and I have been with Terry since the life
<BR>support was withdrawn so there is someone with him at all times.=A0 Sue
<BR>Hart and Bob and Patty Sidey have been there also to help with details
<BR>and support.=A0 It is just a matter of time.
<BR>
<BR>"We know that this was the hardest battle Terry ever had to fight and
<BR>he, like Titus Bass, couldn't win this one.=A0 The doctors now feel, aft=
er
<BR>seeing how fast these tumors developed in the brain that he may never
<BR>have had a chance.
<BR>
<BR>"At least Terry has been spared the agony of chemotherapy which would
<BR>have had the same end result but with a lot more pain and suffering. And
<BR>this way, he gets to keep his topknot!
<BR>
<BR>Thank you for all the prayers and well wishes.=A0 I will send one last
<BR>email
<BR>when the time comes.
<BR>
<BR>Vanette"
<BR>
<BR>I wanted to convey to you all how kind and thoughtful Vanette has been
<BR>to keep us all informed at this most difficult time in her life and the
<BR>life of their kids.=A0 She is a rock.
<BR>
<BR>A fund is in the process of being established where by people who wish
<BR>to make a contribution=A0 to help with medical expenses and the
<BR>establishment of a scholarship fund will be able to donate.
<BR>
<BR>I will let you know when the funeral will be and if it will be open to
<BR>the public.
<BR>
<BR>Someone had asked about Terry's web site:
<BR>
<BR>http://www.imt.net/~tjohnston/index.html
<BR>
<BR>Jim Wirshborn
<BR>msws@msws.net
<BR>www.msws.net
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR></FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:07:29
From: "jerry strobel" <kes49@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: A friend I never met. not yet. Thank you Terry Johnston.
My condolences and prayers to Vanette Johnston and her family, Mrs.
Johnston you are a special woman to have shared terry with us and in the
pages of his novels his fathomless love for you shone as bright as the sun.
I was hoping Terry would be around a lot longer and share more tales with us
his friends he has'nt met, not yet at least. I had to stop a while and
reflect on all things in life I had taken for granted. God has blessed me
with a good woman of my own and a four month old son and he is read to sleep
each night to the tales of ol' Scratch. Today I shed many tears for my
friend I'll meet one day, and for those who are'nt left behind somuch as
follwin' the trail Terry is blazin' for us. God Bless you all, and take a
little time each day to reflect on your own particular life so as it won't
be left for granted. Thank you Y.M.O.S. Jerry Strobel
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:32:44 -0500
From: "wiggles" <wiggles@bigsky.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:48:56 EST
From: WSmith4100@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Terry Johnston Update
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Thank You to Mark and Lodgepole for the update on Terry's website.
Boy, what a couple of days for the Johnston family.
Again, our thoughts and prayers pour out to them.
Wade Smith
Boise, Id
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Thank You to Mark and Lodgepole for the update on Terry's website.
<BR>Boy, what a couple of days for the Johnston family.
<BR>
<BR>Again, our thoughts and prayers pour out to them.
<BR>
<BR>Wade Smith
<BR>Boise, Id
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:25:12
From: "jerry strobel" <kes49@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: 1820-1840 Rifle sources?
I have a question. Is there not anyone building J. Henry or Henry Deringer
Lancaster(American) styled trade rifles that were shipped west from N.Y. and
Philadelphia? Yes I am aware of the builders of Henry english trade rifles,
But are there builders of the other trade rifles the lancaster styled that
went west with Ashley and Henry before 1830? Would I have to custom order
from a reputable riflesmith? please all help and information will be
appreciated and put to good use. Thank you all for your time and
cooperation Y.M.O.S. Jerry Strobel
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:24:50 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: 1831 powder horn info
I had a phone call last week from a fellow in Idaho (I think). He has a
powder horn that he thinks may have belonged to a mountain man. It is a cow
horn, and it has a map of Henry's Lake & Perry's Hole; the date 1831; and
the motto "If the redskins don't get me, the Devil might." He picked it up
for $1 in 1981 or 1982 at a yard sale on the St. Ignatius Reservation.
Now, I know next to nothing about powder horns. Does this powder horn sound
like it's a genuine antique? Were cow horns used by mountain men? Are they
known to have made similar horns?
On the other hand, maybe it was made by a buckskinner, and perhaps somebody
on this list has seen it or knows something about it. Anyway, I figured
there was a chance one of you folks might be able to help this guy, so I'd
appreciate any info.
He only paid $1 for the horn, so he's not likely to lose any money,
regardless of what its origin might be.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:53:14 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1831 powder horn info
> I had a phone call last week from a fellow in Idaho (I think). He has a
> powder horn that he thinks may have belonged to a mountain man. It is a
cow
> horn, and it has a map of Henry's Lake & Perry's Hole; the date 1831; and
> the motto "If the redskins don't get me, the Devil might." He picked it up
> for $1 in 1981 or 1982 at a yard sale on the St. Ignatius Reservation.
Angela,
He really needs to get to a museum or someone who is well versed in them.
They have ways of telling.
Many original horns are bringing 5 figures at auction.
Lacking provenance and a name, it's value is probably diminished, but not by
much; however it is still a treasure if it proves to be original.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:52:11 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1831 powder horn info
In a message dated 3/24/1 02:35:35 PM, agottfre@telusplanet.net writes:
<<Were cow horns used by mountain men? Are they known to have made similar
horns?>>
You bet they were!. Many brought cow horns with them and many more were
trade items. A rifle and shooting pouch were the companions to most of these
men for years before they ever came to the mountains and horns don't wear out
that easily.
If that horn came off the Res for a dollar, there is a possiblity it is
that old. (I bought a whole handful of elk back-strap sinue from a Gosiute
for a buck . . . no one there wanted it.) A person would have to look at it
(the horn) for style, quality, etc. to make a judgement. One thing to look
for is that it was formed by scraping rather than a buffer wheel. I bought a
black horn at a gunshow in Burley, Idaho about 20 years ago. The guy wanted
$20 - would let it go for $15. He still had it at the end of the show so I
got it for ten. It had brass tacks holding the wooden plug in place. For a
test I pulled one of them and to my delight it had a square brass shank - not
the steel one we see today. The old, OLD tacks were cast in a single piece -
all brass, square tapered shank. Conclusion: for ten bucks I had bought an
original buffalo-horn powder-horn from the 1800s. So . . . 'tis possible
Richard James
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:57:30 EST
From: Casapy123@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1820-1840 Rifle sources?
Jerry,
I know a gunsmith who builds Deringer rifles on request. Contact me off-line
if you're interested.
Jim
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:40:38 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1820-1840 Rifle sources?
Jerry,
Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading (TVM@avsia.com) builds a Leman style rifle
which is correct for the period.
I also know a riflesmith who builds Henry and Deringer guns on request. Not
cheap, but the guns are flawless with a capital F. Contact me offlist if you
want the info.
Dave Kanger
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