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hist_text-digest Wednesday, January 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 702
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fur hats
-áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fur hats
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá MtMan-List: Travois
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travois
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
-áááááá MtMan-List: Hello all
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Introduction
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding( Lucets)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: simple cleaning
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Shoes/Boots
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Shoes/Boots
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: simple cleaning
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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:26:00 -0500
From: Tim Jewell <tjewell@home.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fur hats
In reading the archives I've seen that fur hats are not something that
is considered PC. I seem to have found a number of references to them
being worn by the "originals" (I'm not talking about wearing a whole
animal skin).
What I have in mind is something akin to the hat pictured on the cover
of the book: Mountainman Crafts and Skills, by David Montgomery, Horizon
Publishers 1980. I have a nice coyote skin just waiting. Any
comments/advice on this style of hat would be appreciated.
I remain....
Tim
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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:22:43 -0700
From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com>
Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants<BR>
<BR>
Randal J Bublitz wrote:<BR>
> Common and Edible Plants of the West =A0 =A0 <BR>
=A0Muriel Sweet =A0ISBN<BR>
> 0-87961-046-8<BR>
> How Indians Use Wild Plants for Food , Medicine <BR>
& Crafts =A0 =A0 =A0 Frances<BR>
> Densmore =A0 =A0 =A0 ISBN 0-486-23019-8<BR>
> Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants =A0 =A0Bradford <BR>
Angier =A0 =A0 ISBN<BR>
> 0-8117-0616-8<BR>
> Field Guide to Medicinal Wild Plants =A0 =A0 =A0 <BR>
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> ISBN =A0 0-8117-2076-4<BR>
> hope this helps.......... =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hardtack<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Buck Conner wrote:<BR>
One of the best books covering edibles of the <BR>
Stoney Mountains (Rockies)is: "Meet the Natives" <BR>
by M.Walter Pesman (1887-1962) ISBN <BR>
1-879373-31-9.<BR>
Buck <BR>
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Why didn't you refer to the article that you and <BR>
Lavelle worked on for the T&LR a few years ago <BR>
Buck at: <BR>
http://pages.about.com/conner1/edibles.htm<BR>
that's very well done even if I say so.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:32:08 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
> Now Ms. Victoria, your making me blush! <G>
>
> Capt. Lahti'
Way-ell (writes the southern bell), I'm serious!
Your posts are informative, obviously based
on years (and years and years <G>) of MMy
experience. Your posts show a real concern
for the protection and well being of others.
And to top it off, you have a great sense of humor!
Who wouldn't be bereft if you were not around
anymore????? <G>
In fact, when I get the time to braid a strap for
my powder horn, you'll be the first person I ask for help!
Victoria
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:08:41 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur hats
In a message dated 1/2/1 08:26:47 PM, tjewell@home.com writes:
<<What I have in mind is something akin to the hat pictured on the cover
of the book: Mountainman Crafts and Skills, by David Montgomery, Horizon
Publishers 1980. >>
check the rest of the book for authenticity before you make a decision. I
have known Dave since before he wrote that book and I like him, but to
describe the works, I would say it straddles two different centures more than
sets on the original Mountain Man era.
Richard James
p.s. maybe I ought to look at my copy of the book again. I told him I had
one and wanted him to autograph it for me sometime. He said O.K.. Then I
told him I got it for a buck in the swap meet and that raised his eyebrows.
He son said I have to give them the balance toward the cost of a new copy to
get the autograph. Dave didn't really endorse that one either.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:13:18 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
cpt L
remember a while back when we got into the cordage thing and how to make
it---i happened on a tool called a lucette (SP) it makes beautiful square
cordage and its probably pretty period correct---I have a piece about 4
ft long made of commercial senue (FAKE) ---not nylon but lynon---believe
if you took some lynon string and used the tool to make the square
cordage it might be what you might like--- there is also a tool that
makes round cordage---and it is truly strong and believe it would last a
lot longer than the leather woven for the horn strap and you will get a
lot more wear and tear from it---especially in the trecking thing---I
have a woven horn strap that is about 10 years old and it is getting old
and brittle and broke on me while hunting---had to tye it together after
that have been looking at the cordage made by the lucette tool believe it
would probably outlast me in time and wear---Might think about it a bit
pard---
just my humbel opinion of course---
"HAWK"
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:05:22 -0500
From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Travois
Hi all..
I am in the mood to build a one man travois... To carry heavier items to
camp. Any ideas?? I freind on this list sent me pics of one that a fella
had, but the end came down to 1 point of drag at the bottom.. But it would
seem to me that this would cause it to tip off to oneside if it wern't
perfectly balanced... I have a couple of small lodge poles to start with...
D
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:27:53 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
> Your posts are informative, obviously based
> on years (and years and years <G>) of MMy
> experience.
Ms. Victoria,
Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit! <G> I'm not THAT old! Thanks for
such kind words. Do you mind if I show them to my wife? She has to live with
me, and apparently knows me better. Perhaps my efforts to make amends for my
past sins is working.
I remain..............
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:51:23 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
I happened on a tool called a lucette (SP) it makes beautiful square
> cordage and its probably pretty period correct---I have a piece about 4
> ft long made of commercial senue (FAKE) ---not nylon but lynon---believe
> if you took some lynon string and used the tool to make the square
> cordage it might be what you might like---
Hawk,
Thanks for your suggestions pard. For my part I am not the one in search of
a better way or even any new method. Not to say I am not willing to learn
something new but my three strand braided brain tan strap on my powder horn
is of an authentic material and quit strong and flexible. I doubt it will
ever let me down. Should that happen, it will be a simple matter to replace
or repair. Were I interested in "just making a strong strap" I might
consider using some artificial material (guess I could just buy some nylon
webbing to make the strap out of along with the bag strap) but that would
defeat the whole idea of doing it the old way.
there is also a tool that
> makes round cordage---and it is truly strong and believe it would last a
> lot longer than the leather woven for the horn strap and you will get a
> lot more wear and tear from it---especially in the trekking thing--
I recall the thread. Looked the sites over and thought to play with it a bit
but got side tracked with something else so I have not made and used a Lucet
(sic). It would work great to make a strong strap from linen/flax thread or
yarn and of course brain tan, or some other leather would work too. But as I
said, my brain tan strap is quit strong, works fine for the trekking thing
and so there is not much incentive to change.
-I
> have a woven horn strap that is about 10 years old and it is getting old
> and brittle and broke on me while hunting---
Perhaps it is the leather you used. Even my 25 year old single strand latigo
lace strap on my oldest horn has not become brittle and subject to imminent
breakage.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Respectfully, I remain..................
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:57:49 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois
D.
Don't have any pictures to show you but what you want is just to make the
two thin ends (that you hang onto) a bit farther apart so you can stand
between them. The dragging ends will still have to be spread a bit wider so
there is two widely spaced points that contact the ground and give
stability. You might try letting the two poles "cross just behind you and
extend a bit out in front. But I can see that this would limit the available
space on a travois (which might not be such a bad idea <G>.
Of course the one your friend showed you acts just like a wheel barrow
(which only has one point contacting the ground but two handles on either
side of you which you use to keep the infernal invention upright. So maybe
it will work better than it appears.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:13:05 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
Hawk, You have a lead on obtaining plans or a finished Lucette? Barn
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:13:22 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
Hawk, You have a lead on obtaining plans or a finished Lucette? Barn
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:57:37 -0500 (EST)
From: SpiritoftheWood@webtv.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
Good afternoon to all,
While I know this topic has been
often brought up I wanted to ask a few more questions! It has been been
stated that a more period correct way to clean your bore would be to use
soap and hot water as opposed to solvents and natural lubriucants in
place of the standard gun oil. What I would like to know is what type of
brush would be period correct (brass bristle or other)? And what type of
soap (lye and lard)? Also are all these Ram Rod attachments Period
Correct or are they as seems to be a more modern invention and if so
what would be the alterative. I suppose I'm asking in a nut shell what
tools,cleaners and lubricants are the the most period correct and by
what process do you use them! Thanks!!
Y.M.O.S ,
Michael A. Smith
"In Wildness Is the Preservation of the World" Thoreau
http://community.webtv.net/SpiritoftheWood/THEBUCKSKINNERSCABIN
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:08:50 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <EthanSudman@home.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hello all
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:29:01 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
It has been
> stated that a more period correct way to clean your bore would be to use
> soap and hot water as opposed to solvents and natural lubricants in
> place of the standard gun oil.
Michael,
If you want to make it simple, all you need are a patch jag for your ram rod
(to use patches) or a tow worm to twist onto a plain wooden end of your ram
rod (if your going to use tow). Doesn't hurt to have a ball pulling screw on
the end of your rod. Plain cold water will do the job just fine. Warmer
water helps a bit but isn't mandatory.
If you lube your patches with a natural lube (as has been enumerated and
mentioned adnausium) then soap and water are the last things you want to use
since the soap will wash out the apparent tendency of natural lubes to
"condition" the bore against rampant rust.
Brushes and such are not necessary in my opinion. Soap and water are not
necessary in my opinion. Fancy modern chemicals and solvents are not
necessary in my opinion. If you can wipe out your bore and pull a stuck ball
out, you don't need any other attachments. Why should you pay any attention
to my opinion? Those methods have been working just fine on my guns for
close to 30 years of shooting BP guns. No rust problems. Plenty good
accuracy.
As to your questions about what would be period correct, thing of yourself
being hundreds of miles from civilization in a time when much of what is
sold off the shelf at your local gun shop is not available, hasn't even been
invented yet! <G> What you have is what you can gather from nature. You gona
carry around soap enough to clean your gun every time you shoot it? Maybe
once a day, for a year? Even if it is only one shot for food? You gona not
shoot it because you don't have any Lehigh Valley bore lube or whatever? Or
Moose Milk mixed up? <G> Of course not.
What about when you loose the one jag you do have or loose the one tow worm
you do have? How about wadding up some dry grass, bark, tow, shirt tail and
tying it to a length of string or leather whang long enough to reach the
bottom of the bore? Push it down with the ram rod you made out of a choke
cherry switch after you broke the hickory one you brought from back east.
Pull it back up with the string and push it down again. No jag, no tow worm.
Now if your lucky and rich, and back east you might have a nice set of tools
provided by the gun maker that would include a nice tow worm fitting that
screws onto the fitting on the ram rod that came with the gun. It would
probably also have a ball pulling screw in it or on it and would probably
all be made of forged iron. You might even have a nice little pewter bottle
to hold sperm oil or "sweet oil" to lube the lock. Those things would be
authentic. I think late in the ML era you might even find a patch jag
included in what was available.
Well, that's a pretty big nut shell but it's what I believe is how it was
done. Hope that helps. I remain.........
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:48:50 EST
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Introduction
In a message dated 12/30/00, tjewell@home.com writes:
<< p.s. being new to the list and this computer stuff, please let me know
if I make any breaches of form or etiquite >>
Etiquite? Waugh, what's that?
Longshot
"Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage"
(Newly Redesigned)
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:22:52 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
Capt.
As per usual, you have hit the nail on the head. To add to your comment
of :
Why should you pay any attention
to my opinion? Those methods have been working just fine on my guns for
close to 30 years of shooting BP guns. No rust problems. Plenty good
accuracy.
Those are also the methods used by our forefathers for centuries.
Pendleton
Keep it simple and you'll have more fun.
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:49:57 -0600 (CST)
From: "S. Gilbert" <sgilbert@avalon.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding( Lucets)
Hello the list,
I make lucets and demo them at events. If you go to my website and click
on "handicrafts" you'll see a page on how to make a lucet cord and a round
corker cord. If you have any questions, just holler.
www.avalon.net/~sgilbert/6beav.htm
Susan Gilbert
Beaver Camp
sgilbert@avalon.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:05:24 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cleaning
Hope I didn't come across to strong, "in your face" style, but there just is
no good reason to make it any more complicated than necessary. It wasn't
then and shouldn't be now. Our modern minds tend to want to do that. "There
must be a better way". Yea, the old way. Guess I've answered the question
too many times. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:32:16 -0600
From: Todd <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: leather braiding
Smoke and Fire sells one. Not real fancy, but seems to work.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:10:55 EST
From: BrayHaven@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies?
Howdy folks,
I'm getting back into ML activities after a 15 year hiatus in the corporate
ratrace. My mule talked me into leaving those digs and getting back to the
things I enjoy like blacksmithing and gunsmithing. I always built & used
caplocks after trying a flinter once. I recall it burning my hat brim and
singeing my eyebrows off and if I had been shooting at meat, I would have
starved plumb to death waitin fer it to go off. Well I've since seen some
real nice flints and now want to build (or buy) one. I recall using a lot of
parts from Log Cabin back then. Who's a good purveyor (s) of gun parts
these days and what's a good lock that works? As I recall, Siler was always
thought purty highly of. Anyone have any thing along these lines to sell?
Any help from you "resident experts" appreciated. Have enjoyed this list.
Greg Sefton
Best "Ass" In America <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/BrayHaven/bj.htm">BJ1
</A>
http://members.aol.com/BrayHaven/bj.htm
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:35:20 -0500
From: Tim Jewell <tjewell@home.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
Hello the list,
In my last post I asked about fur hats using Mountainman Crafts and
Skills as an example (not a very good one). What I really should have
asked is, would a style similar to what Chalton Heston and Brain Keith
wore in "The Mountain Men" movie be appropriate. Fur (without the face,
tail, etc.) and a short, heavy leather visor is what I have in mind.
My research/documentation would be:
1. "Bridger", the painting by Miller seems to show a similar hat.
2. from the personal narrative of Chas. Larpentuer pps 43-44,
...buckskin shirt, wolfskin cap, red flannel undershirt...
3. Journal of a Trapper, Osbourne Russell, p82, ...hat or cap of wool,
buffalo or otter skin...
4. Burton Harris, "John Colter, His Years in the Rockies", ...fur
caps...stlye of the Indian tribes with which they had been
associated...
5. "Rocky Mountain Rendevous" , Phillip Edwards, pps 116-117,
...caps and hats are made of beaver and otter skins, the
skins of buffalo.
Something I don't want to do is waste a good coyote skin on something
that is not PC, they are hard to come by back east where I live
(Baltimore). But my ahhh....folicle impairment...has increased to the
point that a nice warm covering on my head sure would be comfortin'.
As always, comments, opinions and advice are most welcome.
Thanks,
Tim
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:15:20 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
> Ms. Victoria,
>
> Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit! <G> I'm not THAT old!
> Thanks for
> such kind words. Do you mind if I show them to my wife?
Capt. Lahti',
By all means, please do so. If it will help you out.......<G>
Thanks for your post on gun cleaning. Seeing all the
ads in "Muzzle Blasts" lead me to believe I couldn't
can't do without all the goopy stuff. Your post is a good
word for us youngin's just starting out in BP, say not. <G>
Victoria
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:12:49 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <randybublitz@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: simple cleaning
I agree with the simple cleaning philosophy. After reading about it
years ago, I adopted it, and have good success. Simply speaking, treat
your cold rolled steel barrel like a good cast iron skillet. Use natural
oils, vege. or animal oils. Clean with water. I've read (don't ask for
sources, was a long time ago) that nothing really works better than water
on black powder residue. Hot water only helps in heating the barrel,
which facilitates drying. I clean with water and set in the sun to dry.
Swab well to insure dryness, then swab with a greased patch. The oils
will permeate the pores of the metal and cure the barrel, like a good
cast iron skillet is cured. This adds to long term protection, and those
times that you don't clean as soon as you should. I use a jag and patch
on my rifles, and a screw with tow on my smooth bores. This is a simple
and authentic way to care for your smokepoles, and you don't have to
order lots of stuff from MuzzleBlasts adds. hardtack
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:22:27 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
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From: "Tim Jewell" <tjewell@home.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
> My research/documentation would be:
> 1. "Bridger", the painting by Miller seems to show a similar hat.
This seems to be an acceptable style. It works well in Beaver or another
short fur pelt. If you have the want to make one of coyote, my suggestion
would be to make a "Canadian Cap" as discribed a few days ago. Basicaly a
wool cap of four sections with a wide band of wool backed fur going all
around that can be turned down or flipped up. I have one of fox and it keeps
my head warm and dry. The fur stands out enough in front to generally keep
snow off my glasses.
I'm sure that there were many different styles of hat turned out from
available furs but documenting a particular style is the hard part. I
personally don't like "critter" hats with the face and etc. hanging down all
around. Perhaps they would look better if only worn in Winter but I see them
worn in the middle of the summer as though they were a badge of some kind.
I'll let it go at that. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:25:44 -0800
From: "atthesea" <atthesea@gte.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Shoes/Boots
Hello the list:
Foot surgery and arthritis have pretty well done me in for using moccasins.
Do any of you fine folks know of sites/resources to look at shoes/boots
common during the FTE. Any suggestions for style, etc? I guess that most
everyone during those shining times must have worn shoes or boots instead of
moccasins at one time or the other. Any help will be most appreciated. If
all else fails, I'll let down the hems on my drop front pants to cover my
hunting boots...guess though there weren't a lot of vibram soles represented
at the various voos.
Am chomping at the bit to get out and initiate my new GPR in .50 percussion
that Santa brought me just a few days late!
Regards from mild and rainy Coos Bay, Oregon
Ghostrider
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:34:37 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding
Your post is a good
> word for us youngin's just starting out in BP, say not. <G>
Ms. Victoria,
You could pay me back by explaining the thought process or meaning of "say
not. " as it appears at the end of an Amish sentence (I think it was Amish).
Thanks <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:53:45 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shoes/Boots
Ghostrider,
The first link is to CD Jarnigan. They sell period boots and shoes.
http://www.jarnaginco.com/
This second link is to Fugawee, who also sell period boots and shoes at a
slightly cheaper rate.
http://www.fugawee.com/
What you want are a pair of "1812" Jefferson boots. They will come smooth or
rough out. All leather construction and pretty much made the same as they
were back in the early 19th Century. There are many shipping manifests of
goods going west that include Boots and Shoes though no discription is
given.
If the prices scare you, then consider making a pair of mocs that go over
whatever modern foot wear you have to use. You will know and I will know and
I don't care if you are wearing modern foot wear if you need it for medical
purposes. You are showing that you respect what others are doing by making
your appearance as period correct as you can. That is good enough for me.
Good luck with finding something that meets your needs.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:22:00 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies?
In a message dated 1/3/1 08:11:43 PM, BrayHaven@aol.com writes:
<<<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/BrayHaven/bj.htm">BJ1
</A>>>
Nice bunch of pictures. Looks like you take good care of your animals
For locks et.al., try Track of the Wolf. They have about everythings
and are supplies to most of the top full-time gun builders in the country.
RJames
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:29:39 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
In a message dated 1/3/1 08:36:04 PM, tjewell@home.com writes:
<<would a style similar to what Chalton Heston and Brain Keith
wore in "The Mountain Men" movie be appropriate. Fur (without the face,
tail, etc.) and a short, heavy leather visor is what I have in mind.>>
I stood next to them and looked at the hats and can tell you that they
were pure costuming. The same costumers outfitted them with Thompson Center
rifles. You might look at more of Miller's paintings and sketches and also
refer to Jim Hansen's Mountain Man Sketch Book(s). Jim was virtually raised
in the Museum of the Fur Trade then worked before and after he got his
doctorate amoung some of the finest collections of such artifacts in the
country (world).
Most Sincerly
Richard James.
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:37:21 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Hats (again)
A post script to my response to your last posting:
John Clymer's paintings are probably as good as you are going to get for
being able to see a lot of this equipment. Actually John's wife did a major
part of his research for him but what he selected from that research to paint
- - he did REAL good. John visited the gathering for the Mountain Man (Chas.
Heston et. al.) and that same year came to Henry's Fork for the AMM
Rendezvous. Although notables the Clymers and Reg and Gladys Laubin lived
near Jackson, Wyoming within miles of each other - and both couples were
aware of one another - they never met until they came to the camp of the
re-enactors. I probably have the only photos that were ever taken of the two
couples together.
Richard James
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:58:21 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: simple cleaning
There was a great account of gun cleaning and other correct-to-the-period
that I though was in the bookm "Muzzle-Loading Caplock Rifle", by Roberts -
but I just looked and I was wrong. If someone else has read this and knows
the correct title I would appreciate your sharing.
The story was brief but told by a man who in his youth went with his uncle
who was a full time bear hunter . The part that is appropriate here is the
instructions the lad received in "evening maintenance". " First you tend
your horse, then your rifle, and finally yourself . . . .". In tending the
rifle - put on a pot of two quarts of water to boil. While it is coming to
boil, pull the nipple and run cold water through it until it runs clear. (I
can't remember, but here it seems like there was some patch-in-the-bore
scrubbing) . Now get a cloth (like a towel), fold it several times the long
way and twist lightly. Then loop the middle of the towel around the barrel,
bring the ends together and twist them tightly - this gives you a handle to
hold the barrel. Holding the barrel by the "handle", with the breech down
and the nipple out, slowly pour the two quarts of boiling water down the
bore. You will have to keep a hold of the cloth handle to keep from burning
your hands on the (now VERY) hot barrel, and start scrubbing the bore with
cloth patches until the lst one comes out dry. The bore is clean and hot so
that any residual moisture evaporates immediatly rathern than lingering in
the pores of the metal. Now a final swab withan oily patch and you are done.
You have tended your horse, tended your gun, now feed yourself and attend to
your night camp and get to work dressing out those bear.
Hope this helps - works for me and it IS authentic
Richard James
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