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Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #698
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hist_text-digest Thursday, December 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 698
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Place to visit
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Place to visit
-áááááá MtMan-List: Indian prayer
-áááááá MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:56:42 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <conner1@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Place to visit
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Richard J Holliday wrote:
> Good Morning!
>
> I have been lurking on this list for a few months and have
> thoroughly enjoyed to information and conversations.
> Circumstance do not permit me to participate in regular
> mountain man activities but I do like to do the crafts
> such as old time wood working, leather working, beading
> etc.
>
> I am leaving today for Salt Lake City/Provo and I was
> wondering if anyone could recommend any museums, exhibits
> or stores in that area pertaining to mountain men or the
> fur trade. Also where would be a good place to get a
> good fur hat?
>
> I hope this request is appropriate to this list ... if
> not, please accept my apologies. TIA
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Doc Holliday
>
> ***********************************************
> Richard J. Holliday, DVM Office: 319 568 3401
> Holistic Dairy Consultant Residence 319 568 3624
> 203 2nd St. N.E. Fax: 319 568 4359
> Waukon, Iowa 52172
> Mailto:rjhdvm@rconnect.com or Mailto:rjhdvm@aol.com
> http://members.aol.com/rjhdvm/OurHomePage.html
> ***********************************************
> "Those who teach must constantly hold up
> the challenge to study nature, not books."
> William A. Albrecht, Ph.D.
>
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Doc,
Are you going to be near Ft. Collins, Co, just south (of
Laramie WYO) about 45 miles from I-80 if traveling on it,
good source store there - Cache La Poudre Rifleworks on 168
N. College Ave. (main drag) and on the end of town you would
come in from, check it out if possible. Have a large
selection of fur hat that are correctly made.
Later,
Buck Conner
Research page:
http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__
Personal page:
http://pages.about.com/buckconner/
____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _
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Richard J Holliday wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> Good Morning!
<p>I have been lurking on this list for a few months and have thoroughly
enjoyed to information and conversations. Circumstance do not
permit me to participate in regular mountain man activities but I do like
to do the crafts such as old time wood working, leather working, beading
etc.
<p>I am leaving today for Salt Lake City/Provo and I was wondering if anyone
could recommend any museums, exhibits or stores in that area pertaining
to mountain men or the fur trade. Also where would be a good
place to get a good fur hat?
<p>I hope this request is appropriate to this list ... if not, please accept
my apologies. TIA
<br><x-sigsep>
<p></x-sigsep>Have a great day!
<p>Doc Holliday
<p>***********************************************
<br>Richard J. Holliday, DVM Office:
319 568 3401
<br>Holistic Dairy Consultant
Residence 319 568 3624
<br>203 2nd St. N.E.
Fax: 319 568 4359
<br>Waukon, Iowa 52172
<br><u><font color="#0000FF"><a href="mailto:rjhdvm@rconnect.com" eudora="autourl">Mailto:rjhdvm@rconnect.com</a></font></u>
or <a href="mailto:rjhdvm@aol.com" eudora="autourl">Mailto:rjhdvm@aol.com</a>
<br><u><font color="#0000FF"><a href="http://members.aol.com/rjhdvm/OurHomePage.html" eudora="autourl">http</a>://members.aol.com/rjhdvm/OurHomePage.<a href="http://members.aol.com/rjhdvm/OurHomePage.html" eudora="autourl">html</a></font></u>
<br>***********************************************
<br>"Those who teach must constantly hold up
<br>the challenge to study nature, not books."
<br>William A. Albrecht, Ph.D.
<br> </blockquote>
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<br>Doc,
<p>Are you going to be near Ft. Collins, Co, just south (of Laramie WYO)
about 45 miles from I-80 if traveling on it, good source store there -
Cache La Poudre Rifleworks on 168 N. College Ave. (main drag) and on the
end of town you would come in from, check it out if possible. Have
a large selection of fur hat that are correctly made.
<p>Later,
<br>Buck Conner
<br>Research page:
<br><A HREF="http://pages.about.com/conner1/">http://pages.about.com/conner1/</A> _______HRD__
<br>Personal page:
<br><A HREF="http://pages.about.com/buckconner/">http://pages.about.com/buckconner/</A>
<br>____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:51:23 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Place to visit
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Also where would be a good place to get a good fur hat?=20
Doc,
Hope your having a great day and thanks for the good wishes. I live up =
in WA. and am not that familiar with the Salt Lake area other than =
figuring out how to drive through to some place I'm headed to so I can't =
help you there.
I would suggest since you like to do craft projects that rather than =
buy some kind of modern fur hat that Mt. Men were "supposed" to wear, =
you do a bit of research to find out what really was worn and then make =
your own. One sees a lot of "critter" hats at Rendezvous these days but =
it is very questionable whether such were ever worn at least by any more =
than a couple fellas back then.=20
One style of hat that was worn, at least in cold climates is the =
"Canadian Cap" (I believe Franklin had one). They are quit easy to make. =
No bill/brim just a wool scull cap made up of 4 "bullet" shaped pieces =
and a couple strips of your favorite fur critter sewn around at the =
bottom of the wool part and then closed at both ends to form a "fold =
down" "rim" of fur that can be lined with wool (which would show when =
the fur is "rolled down" to the inside or lined with some other nice =
material.
I have one I made of a fox hide. It takes about that much fur to come =
up with two strips wide enough and long enough for my fat head. The hide =
was cut down the middle and the two sides "squared" up and joined at =
both ends to make a loop. I used wool blanket material for the scull cap =
but made it in two layers so it shows no seams inside or out. The fur is =
lined with one layer of wool and the cap has some light weight red wool =
for some trimming in the "hat band" area. I made it a bit loose and =
plenty deep with a draw string inside the hat band so I can snug it up =
to make an exact fit to my head. With the fur up, it comes down over the =
tops of my ears and with the fur down comes down around the back of my =
neck and just over my eyes with the front rolled up a bit. Plenty warm. =
With that hat on I look a bit like Genghus Kahn (sic?) according to my =
wife! <G.
Anyway it was fun making it, it is functional and fairly period =
correct. Enjoy your trip.=20
Capt. Lahti'
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Doc,</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Hope your having a great day and =
thanks for the=20
good wishes. I live up in WA. and am not that familiar with the Salt =
Lake area=20
other than figuring out how to drive through to some place I'm headed =
to so I=20
can't help you there.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> I would suggest since you like =
to do craft=20
projects that rather than buy some kind of modern fur hat that Mt. Men =
were=20
"supposed" to wear, you do a bit of research to find out what really =
was worn=20
and then make your own. One sees a lot of "critter" hats at Rendezvous =
these=20
days but it is very questionable whether such were ever worn at least =
by any=20
more than a couple fellas back then. </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">One style of hat that was worn, at =
least in cold=20
climates is the "Canadian Cap" (I believe Franklin had one). They are =
quit=20
easy to make. No bill/brim just a wool scull cap made up of 4 "bullet" =
shaped=20
pieces and a couple strips of your favorite fur critter sewn around at =
the=20
bottom of the wool part and then closed at both ends to form a "fold =
down"=20
"rim" of fur that can be lined with wool (which would show when the =
fur is=20
"rolled down" to the inside or lined with some other nice =
material.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">I have one I made of a fox hide. It =
takes about=20
that much fur to come up with two strips wide enough and long enough =
for my=20
fat head. The hide was cut down the middle and the two sides "squared" =
up and=20
joined at both ends to make a loop. I used wool blanket material for =
the scull=20
cap but made it in two layers so it shows no seams inside or out. The =
fur is=20
lined with one layer of wool and the cap has some light weight red =
wool for=20
some trimming in the "hat band" area. I made it a bit loose and plenty =
deep=20
with a draw string inside the hat band so I can snug it up to make an =
exact=20
fit to my head. With the fur up, it comes down over the tops of my =
ears and=20
with the fur down comes down around the back of my neck and just over =
my eyes=20
with the front rolled up a bit. Plenty warm. With that hat on I look a =
bit=20
like Genghus Kahn (sic?) according to my wife! <G.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Anyway it was fun making it, it is =
functional=20
and fairly period correct. Enjoy your trip. </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Capt. Lahti'</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:41:40 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Indian prayer
Below is a prayer attributed to Sioux Indian Chief, Yellow Lark.
As I understand the history of this prayer, Yellow Lark was one of very
few American Indians, of the time, admitted to Freemasonry. He offered this
prayer during one of the rituals admitting other men [Indian or white, I
don't know]. This was sometime during the Revolutionary period, I have been
told.
It is appropriate at any time but I offer it in this Holy Christmas
season.
And, I suggest that the word 'brother' can be extended to all who share
a common bond and trust.
"O Great Spirit; Whose voice we hear in the winds and Whose breath gives
life to all the world, hear us. We come before You, Your children, we are
small and weak, we need Your strength and Your wisdom.
Let us walk in beauty and make our eyes ever behold the red and purple
sunset. And especially walk with these brothers who, today, embark on an
ancient journey in search of Your truth. Make our hands respect the things
You have made, our ears sharp to hear Your voice.
Make us wise so that we may know the things You have taught all the
Brothers, the lessons You have hidden in every leaf and rock.
We seek strength not to be superior to our Brothers, but to be able to
fight our greatest enemies - - ourselves.
Make us ready to come to You with clean hands and straight eyes, so when
life fades as a fading sunset our spirit may come to You without shame."
Frank G. Fusco
FOB #221
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:53:57 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
Gentelmen,
I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts for carriages and
waggons, does anyone have a source for such items?
YMOS
Ole # 718
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:40:14 -0800
From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" <stitchin@iowasocean.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
Ole: I don't have one lying around handy (but I will start digging) but
there is an Amish Company called Lehman's [s] that has a real nice catalog
out there but they are a bit pricey. If I can find the thing I will give you
better information. Long John
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From: Ole B. Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
To: hist_text <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, December 28, 2000 6:55 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
>Gentelmen,
>I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts for carriages and
>waggons, does anyone have a source for such items?
>YMOS
>Ole # 718
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:37:55 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
Long John wrote:
"there is an Amish Company called Lehman's"
Here is the web site with a link to order a catalog.
Lanney Ratcliff=20
http://www.lehmans.com/
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:54:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Lynn Kirby <lynnkirby@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
Ole, you might try Cumberland General Store I know
they have a section on buggys and wagons in their
catalog. Their ph. number is 1-800-334-4640
- --- "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Gentelmen,
> I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts
> for carriages and
> waggons, does anyone have a source for such items?
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:06:30 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
> I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts for carriages and
> waggons, does anyone have a source for such items?
Ole,
Exactly what is it that you are looking for?
I have a stock duplicator and can also reproduce such things as spokes and
spindles
"IF" you have a pattern that I can chuck between the centers. I can handle
up to an 8 inch diameter and 72 inches long.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:41:49 -0800
From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" <stitchin@iowasocean.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic
Lanney: I know this has been mentioned to death but don't you find it
strange that the Amish have a website??? Long John
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From: Lanney Ratcliff <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, December 28, 2000 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
>Long John wrote:
>"there is an Amish Company called Lehman's"
>Here is the web site with a link to order a catalog.
>Lanney Ratcliff
>http://www.lehmans.com/
>
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