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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #613 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, August 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 613 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá MtMan-List: Bear Claws -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bear Claws -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá MtMan-List: 2 items of on-topic interest -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá MtMan-List: congratulaton notice -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá MtMan-List: Congrats -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] -áááááá MtMan-List: tea bricks -áááááá MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:16:14 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: What's in a name? I like the name Longshot. Yeah that's the ticket. Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:47:21 EDT From: Huss931@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] Assumptions that gun registration is a "gun grab" is naive at best. The U. S. Supreme Court has always supported legitimate regulations on gun ownership and purchase-- but has not taken guns away-- and probably could not do so without public support (which is not likely). Registration can be a tool in the law enforcement for increasing the likelihood of judicial convictions for those who misuse the privilege of owing a handgun. Anyway, I find it difficult to believe that people need to own AK-47s or "Saturday Night Specials" to assist with historical reenactments or for the legitimate sport of hunting. Balancing public safety and individual rights is always a delicate effort. Reactionary comments about "gun grabs" do not help. SFH - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:52:55 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] That's exactly what my friend used to say. Where did he live? Oh yeah, Australia. Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:51:28 -0400 From: "Ken Jones" <kenandsusan@triton.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Bear Claws This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C00EB4.B6F22AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone - I am new to the list and was wondering if anybody has any info on = capping bear claws to make into a necklace. I came into some claws and = would like to make a necklace. If you have any info on bear claw = necklaces either modern or primitive, I would appreciate the info. =20 Thank You - Ken - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C00EB4.B6F22AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello Everyone -</FONT></DIV> <DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D2> I am new to the = list and was=20 wondering if anybody has any info on capping bear claws to make into a=20 necklace. I came into some claws and would like to make a = necklace. =20 If you have any info on bear claw necklaces either modern or primitive, = I would=20 appreciate the info. </FONT></DIV> <DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV align=3Djustify><FONT size=3D2>Thank You - = Ken</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C00EB4.B6F22AC0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:25:21 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear Claws Ken, you might try River Gems and Findings, located in Albuquerque at 800.443.6766. They sell end-caps with bales that are used to create pendants. Hope this is of some help, Barn - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:48:31 -0600 From: Charles P Webb <cwebbbpdr@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] A Question, What planet do you live on? Reactionary, I think not, the right to possess our flint toys and all fire arms is in greater jeopardy now than in 1947 when I started doing living history and muzzle loading events. My rights have been infringed on now for some time by individuals who believe they are all knowing, and have all the answerers to what the people of the United Sates should or should not own, possess or how a certain person should indulge in his own personal recreation I do not own an AK47 nor will I probably ever desire one. The AK47 has become the "whipping boy" of all that seek to destroy our owner ship without registration of hand guns, rifles and including shotguns is looked down on and thought to have absolutely no value as a hunter or target gun. It is simply thought of as an assault rifle. Not all that many years ago my Brown Bess was also was considered to be an assault weapon. So If a person wants to enjoy shooting an semi-auto and feels that that is his cup of tea so be it. Your comment indicates that you believe that only certain firearms should be allowed to be owned by US ctiizens and that the government should more strongly regulate who can or who cannot own what. I believe this idea is against what our founding fathers had in mind when this great great nation was created and certainly I do not feel that they intended that the people of this country be required to register what fire arms they might own or possess. Does a person planning to commit a crime submit to a Local, State or F.B.I. background check ? Answer, NEVER! I am required by law to submit to these background checks when purchasing any new fire arm. The criminal or felon can lie and get away with it most of the time, but a law abiding citizen is held to a difererent and in my minds eye unfair standard. The Fed. Gov. already has more info on you and I than they need! My thoughts are that you are the naive one, but I will respect your right to believe as you wish, however I am sure that the news media will have some great photos of the "jack booted thugs" prying my Brown Bess from my cold dead hands because I refuse to include my finger prints and a listing of firearms that I own on any filing with the I.R.S. or any government agency for that matter. BTW I own several snubby S& W 's that I used for many years for law enforcement they fall under the Federal description of "Saturday Night Specials". I would like to know when and where I could locate a few Colts, or Smiths for $29.95 which in my area is the going price for Sat Nite Specials! This post is NOT an attack, simply a disagreement! Have a good day, I shall say no more, and will now crawl back into my lurking corner! The Old Coyote On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:47:21 EDT Huss931@aol.com writes: > Assumptions that gun registration is a "gun grab" is naive at >best. The >U. S. Supreme Court has always supported legitimate regulations on gun > >ownership and purchase-- but has not taken guns away-- and probably >could not >do so without public support (which is not likely). Registration can >be a >tool in the law enforcement for increasing the likelihood of judicial > >convictions for those who misuse the privilege of owing a handgun. > Anyway, I find it difficult to believe that people need to own >AK-47s or >"Saturday Night Specials" to assist with historical reenactments or >for the >legitimate sport of hunting. > Balancing public safety and individual rights is always a delicate > >effort. Reactionary comments about "gun grabs" do not help. > SFH > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:45:57 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: 2 items of on-topic interest Does anyone in the AMM camp or on the list know if a distinguished gentleman by the name of Dalton "Hugging Bear" Halbrook is an AMM member? He spoke at the Friendship Primitive for about 30 seconds on the 08-19 [Sat., 11am-1130am EDT] American Shooter program on TNN Outdoors. The September 2000 issue of National Geographic has a map supplement. On one side is The Pathfinders [1803-1848], Exploring the Far Frontiers. It features 24 color coded trails blazed by various explorers. The first 19 span the time frame from 1804-1834, while the last 5 cover 1841-1846. It also has forts, trading posts, camps, Indian tribes, Indian villages, Missions, Rendezvous sites, and Points of interest all marked on it. Only wish it was on both sides. Other side is Western Migration 1841-1869. Maybe NGS will have something really special upcoming for the L&C 200th. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:12 -0600 From: "Eldon Ayers" <2badger@3rivers.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] Dear Mr. Old Coyote, I could not agree with you more. I am not attracted to fully automatic weapons, but I am considering going through the pain and heart ache to purchase one. Why? BECAUSE it is a RIGHT and FREEDOM provided by the Constitution of the United States of America. It has nothing to do with whether I need one or not. That is a FREEDOM guaranteed in the Constitution and repeated in the Bill of Rights. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of this land written to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority! I do not care how badly the liberal sheep and media demonize the AK47 or assault weapons, they are just guns. Just like flintlocks, pistols, shotguns, etc. The current trend in gun control laws is no more than an erosion of our individual rights. The United States position as recently argued in front of the Supreme Court is that as citizens of this country we do not have any rights other than those the government wants to grant us!!! Just try to believe and comprehend that one! The Clinton-Gore administration is arguing that they will determine what rights and freedoms are best for us. I hate to say it, but there is no such thing as "reactionary comments about gun grabs" . There are way too many good people that have forgotten that FREEDOM and LIBERTY did not come without the blood of many. If more people do not wake up to the slow erosion of our rights and freedoms, we will soon have such wise people as Hillary, of Bill Clinton telling us what freedoms we can have, because they know what is best for us. I do not believe those two low-lifes nor their cronies need to be making those kinds of decisions for me or any one else. Thank you Old Coyote for your response. It really scares me to think that complacency is so rampant in our society that Precious Liberty and Freedom are willingly forfeited by misinformed citizens who actually believe the media propaganda about "assault rifles and "Saturday night specials". Guns are just inanimate objects exactly like cars, computers, trains, airplanes, screwdrivers, hammers, and baseball bats. They possess no ability to be evil or bad. Blunt object homicide is more common than handgun homicide. Is the IRS going to register baseball bats and tax them. It's about FREEDOM and LIBERTY. "I know not what course others may choose, but as for me, give me Liberty or give me Death."-Patrick Henry Those are some powerful words. What is more powerful to me is the fact that the founding fathers did not just talk the talk. They all laid their lives on the line for FREEDOM. Many paid the ultimate price. I ask myself often, "Would I be brave enough today to make the same choice? I hope I will never have to find out. I encourage any and all of you to buy, shoot, and enjoy all of the firearms you can acquire. If they burn charcoal great, if they are an AK47 great, they are belt-fed machine guns, great. To do so is a RIGHT guaranteed in the Constitution. To pursue Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is the basis of the Declaration of Independence. To exercise your RIGHTS is called FREEDOM. I know this is a long rant, but FREEDOM is so precious and so many have died for us to enjoy it, I get carried away. Thanks to all that read this entire message. You may want to check out http://usff.com It's a web site you may find interesting. Eldon Ayers - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles P Webb Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:49 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] A Question, What planet do you live on? Reactionary, I think not, the right to possess our flint toys and all fire arms is in greater jeopardy now than in 1947 when I started doing living history and muzzle loading events. My rights have been infringed on now for some time by individuals who believe they are all knowing, and have all the answerers to what the people of the United Sates should or should not own, possess or how a certain person should indulge in his own personal recreation I do not own an AK47 nor will I probably ever desire one. The AK47 has become the "whipping boy" of all that seek to destroy our owner ship without registration of hand guns, rifles and including shotguns is looked down on and thought to have absolutely no value as a hunter or target gun. It is simply thought of as an assault rifle. Not all that many years ago my Brown Bess was also was considered to be an assault weapon. So If a person wants to enjoy shooting an semi-auto and feels that that is his cup of tea so be it. Your comment indicates that you believe that only certain firearms should be allowed to be owned by US ctiizens and that the government should more strongly regulate who can or who cannot own what. I believe this idea is against what our founding fathers had in mind when this great great nation was created and certainly I do not feel that they intended that the people of this country be required to register what fire arms they might own or possess. Does a person planning to commit a crime submit to a Local, State or F.B.I. background check ? Answer, NEVER! I am required by law to submit to these background checks when purchasing any new fire arm. The criminal or felon can lie and get away with it most of the time, but a law abiding citizen is held to a difererent and in my minds eye unfair standard. The Fed. Gov. already has more info on you and I than they need! My thoughts are that you are the naive one, but I will respect your right to believe as you wish, however I am sure that the news media will have some great photos of the "jack booted thugs" prying my Brown Bess from my cold dead hands because I refuse to include my finger prints and a listing of firearms that I own on any filing with the I.R.S. or any government agency for that matter. BTW I own several snubby S& W 's that I used for many years for law enforcement they fall under the Federal description of "Saturday Night Specials". I would like to know when and where I could locate a few Colts, or Smiths for $29.95 which in my area is the going price for Sat Nite Specials! This post is NOT an attack, simply a disagreement! Have a good day, I shall say no more, and will now crawl back into my lurking corner! The Old Coyote On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:47:21 EDT Huss931@aol.com writes: > Assumptions that gun registration is a "gun grab" is naive at >best. The >U. S. Supreme Court has always supported legitimate regulations on gun > >ownership and purchase-- but has not taken guns away-- and probably >could not >do so without public support (which is not likely). Registration can >be a >tool in the law enforcement for increasing the likelihood of judicial > >convictions for those who misuse the privilege of owing a handgun. > Anyway, I find it difficult to believe that people need to own >AK-47s or >"Saturday Night Specials" to assist with historical reenactments or >for the >legitimate sport of hunting. > Balancing public safety and individual rights is always a delicate > >effort. Reactionary comments about "gun grabs" do not help. > SFH > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:21:01 -0500 From: "John McKee" <stitchin@tekhullogy.com> Subject: MtMan-List: congratulaton notice Let it be known to all my Brothers far and wide: Our Capitaine, George "Short Step" Thompson is to be joined in wedded bliss to Miss Elaine{ who you would know if you have ever been to any of the shinein' doins at the La Purisima Mission in Lompoc, California}, at 7:00 a.m. [pacific] tomorrow morning. Lift your glasses boys!! To their long life, health AND that Elaine has at least some idea of the lifestyle that lays in front of her!! <G> John 'Long John' McKee #1677 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:46:31 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] Eldon,=20 Right on, brother. My father died an old man at the age of 46 due to = nazi bullet wounds suffered in August 1944 in defense of those = liberties. YF&B Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:21:06 -0400 From: Robert M Keefe <doctarie@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] I to agree with Charles Webb and he said well . I certainly hope huss931 is not the views of average Joe American . Our rights slip through our fingers everyday, little by little and what do we give up next? On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:47:21 EDT Huss931@aol.com writes: > Assumptions that gun registration is a "gun grab" is naive at > best. The > U. S. Supreme Court has always supported legitimate regulations on > gun > ownership and purchase-- but has not taken guns away-- and probably > could not > do so without public support (which is not likely). Registration > can be a > tool in the law enforcement for increasing the likelihood of > judicial > convictions for those who misuse the privilege of owing a handgun. > Anyway, I find it difficult to believe that people need to own > AK-47s or > "Saturday Night Specials" to assist with historical reenactments or > for the > legitimate sport of hunting. > Balancing public safety and individual rights is always a > delicate > effort. Reactionary comments about "gun grabs" do not help. > SFH > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:37:50 -0600 From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Congrats Congratulations Capitaine George!!! May you and the Mrs share many happy trails together!! "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:31:22 -0700 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] what part of "infringed" don't you understand. are you for real? - ----- Original Message ----- From: <Huss931@aol.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] > Assumptions that gun registration is a "gun grab" is naive at best. The > U. S. Supreme Court has always supported legitimate regulations on gun > ownership and purchase-- but has not taken guns away-- and probably could not > do so without public support (which is not likely). Registration can be a > tool in the law enforcement for increasing the likelihood of judicial > convictions for those who misuse the privilege of owing a handgun. > Anyway, I find it difficult to believe that people need to own AK-47s or > "Saturday Night Specials" to assist with historical reenactments or for the > legitimate sport of hunting. > Balancing public safety and individual rights is always a delicate > effort. Reactionary comments about "gun grabs" do not help. > SFH > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:46:27 EDT From: Squinty54@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] Right on Target Eldon. Its not so much just about guns. It is an erosion of our rights. After guns....what next.....speech?.......religion? Where will the erosion end? Now is the time for all to stand and be heard. Quit frankly, I'm sick and tired of the political bantering and how it quietly and subtly leads this country right down the road to hell (read loss of Liberty and Freedom) Gun control is just any easy argument. "get rid of guns....stop crime and death? Yea, sure. Flawed logic at best. I could go on and on as I am sure many of you could and would. Lets go on and on where it counts...in public at every opporetunity to defend our rights. Its time we found some honest statesmen and supported them and booted the "professional politicians" right out the door. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:27:38 -0500 From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] - -----Original Message----- From: Robert M Keefe <doctarie@juno.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: August 25, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] > I to agree with Charles Webb and he said well . I certainly hope >huss931 is not the views of average Joe American . Our rights slip >through our fingers everyday, little by little and what do we give up >next? If I remember correctly from the last time we talked about this subject it, huss931 interprets the 2nd amendment differently (as do many gun control advocates) in that he believes that it only provides citizens the rights to have a well regulated militia to protect the state. It does not provide individuals the right to have arms other than for militia use. I think the supreme court has agreed with this in the past. I never agreed with that argument for a very simple reason. Seems to me the constitution was very carefully designed to provide a system of checks and balances. This is the wntire basis of the founding of our country, I believe. At the time it was drafted the militia was the common peoples "balance" to the threat of an all to powerfull central governments "check". Granted, things are very different than at the time the constitution was drafted, one thing being that the people have no militia to protect them from an all to powerfull government. Certainly the reserves and the national guard couldn't be considered militia as they are directed by the federal government. So to all the people who think that the 2nd amendment does not provide individuals the right to keep and bear arms, and that gun control laws should be strengthened to prevent citizens form having arms the way we do now, I ask, WHERE IS THE CHECK AND BALANCE IN THAT???? northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:17:52 -0600 From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] James, I am a activist in the Republican party, and I have just e-mailed both Senators from Utah, to give them a heads up on this bill and I have asked both of them to fight against it. I use to be a Democrat but many years ago they walked away from my beliefs and the Constitution and I joined the Republican Party. This years election will determin the survival of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and it is time for us all to defend those principals. Please get involved or we may just be talking about our rights in the past tence. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: James Lockmiller <manbear@netonecom.net> >To: "hist_text@lists.xmission.com" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> >Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: Gun bill in congress!!] >Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000, 8:32 AM > >Hello List, >I just received this from a friend and thought it might be worth looking >into. I've attached a copy of th ebill below so that you don't have to go >looking for it. I'm not sure if this has been discussed here before or not >please forgive the redundency. > >YMOS >Manbear > > >> Check this bill out and contact your senators to kill this bill. It's >> another gun grab. >> >> If you enjoy the rights you have, protect them now! >> Subject: Gun Bill >> >> Subject: [Addicted2Reloading] SB 2099 - register your guns via the IRS 1040 >> >> Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax >> form all Handguns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a >> tax This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will >> become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an >> amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance >> Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. >> >> The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate >> http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill >> number. (SB-2099) >> >> Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP >> this bill!! >> > >Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000 (Introduced in the Senate) > >S 2099 IS > > 106th CONGRESS > > 2d Session > > S. 2099 > >To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of >handguns, and for other purposes. > > IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED >STATES > > February 24, 2000 > >Mr. REED introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to >the Committee on Finance > > > > A BILL > >To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of >handguns, and for other purposes. > > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United >States of America in Congress assembled, > >SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. > > This Act may be cited as the `Handgun Safety and Registration Act of >2000'. > >SEC. 2. REGISTRATION OF HANDGUNS. > > (a) HANDGUN INCLUDED IN DEFINITION OF FIREARM- > > (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of >1986 (defining firearm) is amended by striking `and (8) a destructive device' >and inserting `(8) > a handgun; and (9) a destructive device'. > > (2) DEFINITION OF HANDGUN- Section 5845 of the Internal Revenue >Code of 1986 (relating to definitions) is amended by adding at the end the >following: > > `(n) HANDGUN- > > `(1) IN GENERAL- The term `handgun' means any weapon (including a >starter gun) which-- > > `(A) is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a >projectile by the action of an explosive, and > > `(B) has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired >by the use of a single hand. > > `(2) DISASSEMBLED PARTS INCLUDED- Such term shall also include >the frame or receiver of any such weapon, and any combination of parts from >which a > handgun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or >under the control of a person. > > `(3) EXCLUSION- Such term shall not include a firearm classified >as `any other weapon' under subsection (e).'. > > (b) TRANSFER TAX IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5811(a) of the Internal >Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting `or as a >handgun under > section 5845(a)(8)' after `section 5845(e)'. > > (c) TAX ON MAKING FIREARMS IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5821(a) of the >Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting `, > except, the tax on any firearm classified as a handgun under section >5845(a)(8) shall be at the rate of $50 for each such firearm made' after >`firearm made'. > > (d) IMPORTATION POLICY CONTINUED- > > (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5844 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 >(relating to importation) is amended by adding at the end the following: `This >section shall > not apply to any firearm classified as a handgun under section >5845(a)(8).'. > > (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 925(d)(3) of title 18, United >States Code, is amended by inserting `(without regard to paragraph (8) >thereof)' after > `section 5845(a)'. > > (e) SHARING OF REGISTRATION INFORMATION WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAW >ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES- > > (1) IN GENERAL- Section 6103(o) of the Internal Revenue Code of >1986 (relating to disclosure of returns and return information with respect to >certain taxes) is > amended by adding at the end the following: > > `(3) TAXES IMPOSED ON TRANSFER OF HANDGUNS- Returns and return >information with respect to taxes imposed by part II of subchapter A of chapter >53 > (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm >classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) shall be available in an >on-line format for inspection by or > disclosure to officers and employees of-- > > `(A) any Federal law enforcement agency, and > > `(B) any State or local law enforcement agency, > > whose official duties require such inspection or disclosure.'. > > (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS- Section 6103(p)(4) of the Internal >Revenue Code of 1986 is amended-- > > (A) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A)-- > > (i) by striking `or (o)(1)' and inserting `(o)(1), >or (o)(3)(A)', > > (ii) by striking `or (l)(6)' and inserting `(l)(6)', > > (iii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', >and > > (B) in subparagraph (F)(i)-- > > (i) by striking `or (l)(6)' and inserting `(l)(6)', >and > > (ii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', and > > (C) in subparagraph (F)(ii), by striking `or (o)(1)' and >inserting `, (o)(1), or (o)(3)(A)'. > > (f) TRANSITION RULE FOR NONREGISTERED HANDGUNS- > > (1) IN GENERAL- Any person possessing any firearm classified as a >handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 not >registered in the > National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record maintained by >the Secretary of the Treasury under section 5841 of such Code shall register >such handgun-- > > (A) within 1 year of the date of the enactment of this Act, >or > > (B) upon the transfer of such handgun before such 1 year >anniversary date. > > (2) TREATMENT OF REGISTRATION AS TRANSFER- For purposes of any >tax imposed by part II of subchapter A of chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue >Code > of 1986 (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm >classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of such Code, any registration >of such handgun > under paragraph (1)(A) shall be considered a transfer of such >handgun. > > (3) NONAPPLICATION OF PENALTY- Section 5861(d) of the Internal >Revenue Code of 1986 shall not apply with respect to the possession of any >handgun > before the date of the registration of such handgun under >paragraph (1). > > (g) PROVISION OF REGISTRATION FORMS- > > (1) AVAILABILITY- To promote and assist compliance with the >handgun registration requirements under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as >amended by this > section, the Secretary of the Treasury shall make available such >registration and fingerprint forms as may be required by the public for >compliance with such > requirements-- > > (A) to State and local law enforcement agencies and >facilities of the Department of the Treasury throughout the States, the United >States Postal Service, and > such other agencies and departments of the Federal >Government as the Secretary determines would aid in making such forms available >to the public; and > > (B) through the Internet in a downloadable format. > > (2) SINGLE FORM- The Secretary of the Treasury shall make >available registration forms that allow an individual to register the >possession or transfer of more than > 1 firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of the >Internal Revenue Code of 1986 on a single form. > > (h) PROGRAM OF PUBLIC AWARENESS- Within 60 days after the date of the >enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury shall commence a program >to broaden > public awareness of the handgun registration requirements under the >Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended by this section. Such program may >include voluntary > cooperative efforts with Federal, State, and local law enforcement >agencies and public service announcements as deemed appropriate by the >Secretary. > > (i) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are authorized to be >appropriated such sums as may be necessary for the Secretary of the Treasury to >carry out the > provisions of and amendments made by this Act. > > (j) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this section shall take >effect on the date of the enactment of this Act. > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:00:34 -0600 From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com> Subject: MtMan-List: tea bricks Need to know where I can buy wholesale some blk tea bricks in the 16 square blocks Used to buy from Sherman, Paul, do you still carry them JOe Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:16:56 -0600 From: "Eldon Ayers" <2badger@3rivers.net> Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000 Hello To ALL, We all got a heads up last night on Senate Bill 2099 (Sponsored by Jack Reed, Democrat, Rhode Island). Its status is that it was submitted to Committee. It is truly a scary bill aimed at making any one who owns a handgun a criminal. Now, this bill does not differentiate about what kind of handgun. Anything that sends a projectile from a powder charge as I read the bill. So, this is pertinent to all of us charcoal burners as well as smokeless folks. Simply, this bill as a reorganization of the IRS tax laws would require registration of all handguns (no exception for antiques etc), a $50 tax on each such gun owned, and mandatory fingerprinting of the owner! Non-compliance would be a felony. Remember convicted felons are denied the right to own guns. Enforcement of this ACT would necessarily fall to the Department of the Treasury as they enforce tax collection. That means the BATF would essentially have unlimited powers of search and seizure. You know, the "Jack Booted Thugs" of the Federal Government, who have been reprimanded and labeled as out of control by Congressional investigation. If this does not scare the living hell out of you, I do not know what will. Maybe the day someone is kicking in your front door might get your attention. It is estimated there are 28 million registered competitive shooters in the United States. Add in us mountainy man types, hunters, plinkers, self defense, and other gun owners and that number grows considerably. I have this fantasy that ALL of the gun owners and shooters feel about freedom and rights as I do. And that ALL of the gun owners would be happy to write their Senators to express their feelings about this Freedom robbing type of legislation. I want to share a quote with you. "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.' Do you suppose that was Bill Clinton, Rosey O'Donnell, Al Gore, Diane Feinstein, or Jack Reed? Nope. Maybe Charles Schumer. Nope. Some political official from Australia? Not even close. That little jewel came straight from Adolph Hitler in 1935. Remember him? Remember what he and his boys did to the defenseless Ukrainian peasants? Or the French Resistance? I know you cannot forget the Jews. Well, I am all fired up about Freedom and Liberty and what the Washington crowd has forgotten or ignored concerning the Unalienable Rights of the citizens of the United States as outlined in the Constitution and reaffirmed in the Bill of Rights. I now, as a favor of all members of this list. Please write or e-mail your Senators and ask them to defeat this horrendous Liberty robbing legislation. Then, as I have done, write to Senator Reed and ask him to resign from office and then reread the Constitution (if he has ever read it in the first place). Again, in my fantasy world over 28 million requests would not be ignored. Remember, all Congressmen and Senators, Judicial, and Executive Branch employees of the Federal Government have sworn to uphold the Constitution as the Supreme Law of this Land. This blatant attack on Life, Liberty, and the Pursue of Happiness is a travesty. The founding fathers and subsequently millions of United States citizens have lost their fortunes, health, and lives to fight for FREEDOM. WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO? Thank you for your time and I apologize to the list for the OFF TOPIC posting. Eldon Ayers (2badger) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #613 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.