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  10. hist_text-digest       Thursday, August 10 2000       Volume 01 : Number 605
  11.  
  12.  
  13.  
  14. In this issue:
  15.  
  16. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fire victims    OFF TOPIC
  17. -áááááá MtMan-List: waterproofing lodge
  18. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: waterproofing lodge
  19. -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  20. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fire victims ON TOPIC
  21. -áááááá MtMan-List: Montana Fires
  22. -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  23. -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  24. -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  25. -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Montana Fires
  26. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  27. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  28. -áááááá MtMan-List: Still Thinking About A Caywood?
  29. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  30. -áááááá MtMan-List: Dogs and zFur Hats
  31. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  32. -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  33.  
  34. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  35.  
  36. Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:12:56 -0700
  37. From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
  38. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire victims    OFF TOPIC
  39.  
  40. Lanney,
  41.  
  42. Will do.  Am planning to call another friend today near Dillon, MT to see
  43. what's going on in that area.
  44.  
  45. John Funk
  46.  
  47.  
  48. - ----- Original Message -----
  49. From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
  50. To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
  51. Cc: "AMM" <ammlist@lists.xmission.com>
  52. Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:09 PM
  53. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire victims OFF TOPIC
  54.  
  55.  
  56. John Funk wrote:
  57. "Friends,
  58. As you are aware, there are some outrageous fires which are out of control
  59. in many parts of the country.  One fire in particular looms deadly in the
  60. Bitterroot Valley of Montana.  They're are many friends of the Hist List and
  61. "brothers" to some of you, who reside in the valley.
  62.  
  63. Talked with Bob Schmidt and Rick (Hawk) Hurst last night regarding their
  64. circumstances.  Bob is not immediately threatened, apparently, as he lives
  65. on the opposite side of the valley.  He states he can see "many" fires which
  66. are out of control along the mountain ridges west of the valley.  Rick is
  67. not as lucky.  He and his family are preparing to evacuate.  I had the
  68. privilege of staying with Rick and Tammi for a short while last year in
  69. their log home.  They are on the west side of the Hamilton valley and reside
  70. up a heavily wooded canyon.  Things are not good for them right now.
  71.  
  72. Keep them in your prayers.
  73.  
  74. John Funk"
  75.  
  76. John
  77. Keep us updated on the fires and how they effect Rick, Grandpa and the
  78. others in the area and if there is anything we can do....besides pray.
  79. Lanney Ratcliff
  80.  
  81.  
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  91. ------------------------------
  92.  
  93. Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:57:41 -0400
  94. From: Robert M Keefe <doctarie@juno.com>
  95. Subject: MtMan-List: waterproofing lodge
  96.  
  97.     Hello to all on the list. I have a problem I'm sure has come up from
  98. time to time for someone on this list. I recently bought a used panther
  99. 14x10 wall tent that had ben power washed with degreaser. Needles to say
  100. it was no longer waterproof so I called panther and explained my
  101. situation. They suggested I treat the tent with a product called can-vac
  102. canvas treatment. I have put two gallons on with a pump sprayer and it
  103. still leaks all over the place. Has anyone had a similar experience ? Any
  104. suggestions? This lodge is in really good shape  but not to good in a
  105. rain. Thank you for any response                 
  106.  
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  119.  
  120. Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:25:09 EDT
  121. From: JSeminerio@aol.com
  122. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproofing lodge
  123.  
  124. In a message dated 8/9/00 6:49:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, doctarie@juno.com 
  125. writes:
  126.  
  127. > Hello to all on the list. I have a problem I'm sure has come up from
  128. >  time to time for someone on this list. I recently bought a used panther
  129. >  14x10 wall tent that had ben power washed with degreaser. 
  130.  
  131. you need to get the degreaser off.  It is decreasing the surface tension of 
  132. the water.  Try washing the tent, first in soap, then a time or two in plain 
  133. water, (you must get all the soap off first) THEN try water proofing it
  134.  
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  138. ------------------------------
  139.  
  140. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:22:05 GMT
  141. From: "Kevin Pitman" <kpmtnman@hotmail.com>
  142. Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  143.  
  144. Hello the list;
  145.  
  146. I have recently come into possession of a right nice red fox pelt, and can 
  147. not find a paatern for a hat. (Ihave Buckskinning 1,2,5,&6) Any pointers or 
  148. directions, or patterns would be greatly appreciated.
  149.  
  150. YMOS,
  151.  
  152. Kevin
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  160. ------------------------------
  161.  
  162. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:50:14 -0600
  163. From: "Kurt Westenbarger" <kwesten@wyellowstone.com>
  164. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire victims ON TOPIC
  165.  
  166. Has anyone heard the state or condition of the Medicine Tree in the Bitterroot?
  167. Rumor is it burned badly.
  168. Kurt
  169.  
  170. "John C. Funk, Jr." wrote:
  171.  
  172. > Friends,
  173. > As you are aware, there are some outrageous fires which are out of control
  174. > in many parts of the country.  One fire in particular looms deadly in the
  175. > Bitterroot Valley of Montana.  They're are many friends of the Hist List and
  176. > "brothers" to some of you, who reside in the valley.
  177. >
  178. > Talked with Bob Schmidt and Rick (Hawk) Hurst last night regarding their
  179. > circumstances.  Bob is not immediately threatened, apparently, as he lives
  180. > on the opposite side of the valley.  He states he can see "many" fires which
  181. > are out of control along the mountain ridges west of the valley.  Rick is
  182. > not as lucky.  He and his family are preparing to evacuate.  I had the
  183. > privilege of staying with Rick and Tammi for a short while last year in
  184. > their log home.  They are on the west side of the Hamilton valley and reside
  185. > up a heavily wooded canyon.  Things are not good for them right now.
  186. >
  187. > Keep them in your prayers.
  188. >
  189. > John Funk
  190. >
  191. > ----------------------
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  193.  
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  199.  
  200. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:59:54 -0700
  201. From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
  202. Subject: MtMan-List: Montana Fires
  203.  
  204. Lanny, et al......
  205. Talked with Scott (Doc Ivory) Olson yesterday.  Says Dillon and the entire
  206. Big Hole valley is inundated with smoke.  Hasn't seen the Continental Divide
  207. for several weeks now.  Fires rage further up the Big Hole valley but as yet
  208. the area between Dillon and Jackson have been spared.  Says the best and
  209. most accurate quote he's heard was from the local fire coordinator, "God
  210. started these, He's the only one that can put them out".
  211. Doc say's that the first rains or snows (several months away) will be the
  212. mitigating factor.
  213.  
  214. John Funk
  215.  
  216.  
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  220. ------------------------------
  221.  
  222. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:04:19 -0600
  223. From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com
  224. Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  225.  
  226. Kevin,
  227.  
  228. What kind of hat are ye makin?
  229.  
  230. Hope you're not going to waste your time & a good pelt makin one of those
  231. "full drape" fur hats. From all documents found there are no references to
  232. trappers wearing that kind of hat.
  233.  
  234. But, if'n that's what you really want, I do have a pattern for one if you
  235. want some info. 
  236.  
  237. Lou Sickler
  238. Colorado Territory
  239.  
  240. > -----Original Message-----
  241. > From:    Kevin Pitman [SMTP:kpmtnman@hotmail.com]
  242. > Sent:    Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:22 AM
  243. > To:    hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  244. > Subject:    MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  245. > Hello the list;
  246. > I have recently come into possession of a right nice red fox pelt, and can
  247. > not find a paatern for a hat. (Ihave Buckskinning 1,2,5,&6) Any pointers
  248. > or 
  249. > directions, or patterns would be greatly appreciated.
  250. > YMOS,
  251. > Kevin
  252. > ________________________________________________________________________
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  260. ------------------------------
  261.  
  262. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:19:09 GMT
  263. From: "Kevin Pitman" <kpmtnman@hotmail.com>
  264. Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  265.  
  266. Tryin to decide on the pattern. Fulldrape crossed my mind, but would prefer 
  267. a more appropriate one.
  268.  
  269. YMOS,
  270.  
  271. Kevin
  272.  
  273.  
  274. >From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com
  275. >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  276. >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  277. >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  278. >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:04:19 -0600
  279. >
  280. >Kevin,
  281. >
  282. >What kind of hat are ye makin?
  283. >
  284. >Hope you're not going to waste your time & a good pelt makin one of those
  285. >"full drape" fur hats. From all documents found there are no references to
  286. >trappers wearing that kind of hat.
  287. >
  288. >But, if'n that's what you really want, I do have a pattern for one if you
  289. >want some info.
  290. >
  291. >Lou Sickler
  292. >Colorado Territory
  293. >
  294. > > -----Original Message-----
  295. > > From:    Kevin Pitman [SMTP:kpmtnman@hotmail.com]
  296. > > Sent:    Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:22 AM
  297. > > To:    hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  298. > > Subject:    MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  299. > >
  300. > > Hello the list;
  301. > >
  302. > > I have recently come into possession of a right nice red fox pelt, and 
  303. >can
  304. > >
  305. > > not find a paatern for a hat. (Ihave Buckskinning 1,2,5,&6) Any pointers
  306. > > or
  307. > > directions, or patterns would be greatly appreciated.
  308. > >
  309. > > YMOS,
  310. > >
  311. > > Kevin
  312. > > ________________________________________________________________________
  313. > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
  314. > >
  315. > >
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  330.  
  331. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:31:38 -0600
  332. From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com
  333. Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  334.  
  335. Kevin,
  336.  
  337. Do you have the "Mountain Man's Sketchbook, Vol. 2"? It contains a pattern
  338. for a Fur Cap that is in the possession of the Museum of the Fur Trade. It
  339. looks like a modern hunting cap that has flaps to pull down over your ears.
  340. Mebbe that's what you're looking for.
  341.  
  342. Feel free to contact me off-line, I do have that one at work here,
  343. coincidentally.
  344.  
  345. Lou Sickler
  346. Colorado Territory
  347.  
  348. > -----Original Message-----
  349. > From:    Kevin Pitman [SMTP:kpmtnman@hotmail.com]
  350. > Sent:    Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:19 AM
  351. > To:    hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  352. > Subject:    RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  353. > Tryin to decide on the pattern. Fulldrape crossed my mind, but would
  354. > prefer 
  355. > a more appropriate one.
  356. > YMOS,
  357. > Kevin
  358. > >From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com
  359. > >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  360. > >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  361. > >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  362. > >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:04:19 -0600
  363. > >
  364. > >Kevin,
  365. > >
  366. > >What kind of hat are ye makin?
  367. > >
  368. > >Hope you're not going to waste your time & a good pelt makin one of those
  369. > >"full drape" fur hats. From all documents found there are no references
  370. > to
  371. > >trappers wearing that kind of hat.
  372. > >
  373. > >But, if'n that's what you really want, I do have a pattern for one if you
  374. > >want some info.
  375. > >
  376. > >Lou Sickler
  377. > >Colorado Territory
  378. > >
  379. > > > -----Original Message-----
  380. > > > From:    Kevin Pitman [SMTP:kpmtnman@hotmail.com]
  381. > > > Sent:    Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:22 AM
  382. > > > To:    hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  383. > > > Subject:    MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  384. > > >
  385. > > > Hello the list;
  386. > > >
  387. > > > I have recently come into possession of a right nice red fox pelt, and
  388. > >can
  389. > > >
  390. > > > not find a paatern for a hat. (Ihave Buckskinning 1,2,5,&6) Any
  391. > pointers
  392. > > > or
  393. > > > directions, or patterns would be greatly appreciated.
  394. > > >
  395. > > > YMOS,
  396. > > >
  397. > > > Kevin
  398. > > >
  399. > ________________________________________________________________________
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  419.  
  420. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:58:46 -0600
  421. From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
  422. Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Montana Fires
  423.  
  424. Hi John,
  425. This is not unusual for Montana.  The fire problems are similar to the
  426. Sleeping Child fire 40 years ago.  Dillon is not in the timber or mountains.
  427. It is on the river bottom.  I have family and reenactor friends from
  428. Trappers Peak to  Stevensville as well as in Dillon.  The heavy smoke haze
  429. is here 400 miles away.  It is common to take a big rain to make Montana
  430. safe relatively that is from fire.  It is most all ways a danger somewhere
  431. in the mountains.
  432.  
  433.  
  434. Walt
  435. Yellowstone Canoe Camp
  436. On the Lewis & Clark Trail
  437. Park City, Montana
  438.  
  439.  -----Original Message-----
  440. From:     owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
  441. [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]  On Behalf Of John C. Funk, Jr.
  442. Sent:    Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:00 AM
  443. To:    history line
  444. Subject:    MtMan-List: Montana Fires
  445.  
  446. Lanny, et al......
  447. Talked with Scott (Doc Ivory) Olson yesterday.  Says Dillon and the entire
  448. Big Hole valley is inundated with smoke.  Hasn't seen the Continental Divide
  449. for several weeks now.  Fires rage further up the Big Hole valley but as yet
  450. the area between Dillon and Jackson have been spared.  Says the best and
  451. most accurate quote he's heard was from the local fire coordinator, "God
  452. started these, He's the only one that can put them out".
  453. Doc say's that the first rains or snows (several months away) will be the
  454. mitigating factor.
  455.  
  456. John Funk
  457.  
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  468. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:03:55 -0700
  469. From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
  470. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
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  473. From: "Kevin Pitman" <kpmtnman@hotmail.com>
  474. To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
  475. Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:19 AM
  476. Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  477.  
  478.  
  479. > Tryin to decide on the pattern. Fulldrape crossed my mind, but would
  480. prefer
  481. > a more appropriate one.
  482.  
  483. Kevin,
  484.  
  485. A much more appropriate pattern would be a simple "Canadian Cap". That is
  486. what I made out of the last fox pelt I came across. Bought it for that
  487. express purpose in fact. As Lou points out full drape hats not only aren't
  488. authentic, they look silly, but that is of course my personal opinion.
  489.  
  490. If your interested in makeing a "Canadian Cap" and can't find a pattern
  491. there really is nothing to them. The crown is made of 4 inverted "fat" V
  492. shaped peices. I made mine out of two layers of wool blanket for warmth.
  493. They will total around the base the circumphrance of your head, allowing for
  494. the 4 seam allowances. They will be as long as the width of the strip of
  495. pelt sewn to the inside (when you turn the bottom flap up the pelt will be
  496. on the outside)  of the upturned lower half plus the distance from where you
  497. want the "hat band" to be (also where the bottom folds up to the top of the
  498. crown. You can get an idea by having someone measure your head from where a
  499. hat band fits around just at your ears up to the top of your head. And
  500. measure down about 4" or so as that will be the width of the lower part and
  501. the width of the part covered with fox pelt.
  502.  
  503. The two pieces you need from the pelt are cut "down the center" and over the
  504. required width. So they are two parallel pieces from the center of the pelt
  505. starting just behind the head or neck area and/or from the rump forward,
  506. depending on what will give best advantage to the use of the pelt. You will
  507. mate them together in the front (sewing them inside out to hide the stitch)
  508. and bring them around the lower part of the wool section of the hat and
  509. closing the back with another hidden stitch. You get the idea. The front
  510. ends of the pelt will be in front and etc. so the fur lays back and down
  511. when it is on the hat and that portion of the hat is turned up. When turned
  512. down the fur will be on the inside of course.
  513.  
  514. Just think about how everything needs to go together, i.e. seams that will
  515. be inside and not show, etc. and give yourself a 1/2" for seam allowances
  516. where two pieces meet and stitch her up with some good linen thread. remeber
  517. that to hide a seam, you need to sew two peices together with good sides in
  518. and then when stitch line is finished, turn good sides to the outside. Plan
  519. ahead. <G> Try it out of muslin first just to make sure you know what you
  520. want.
  521.  
  522. You can put a decorative yarn ball on top but it looks funny on my head so
  523. it is a matter of choice. You can also decorate the top with a couple of
  524. feathers like turkey, etc. Raptor feathers will get you a ticket from Fish
  525. and Wild Life so stick to game birds.
  526.  
  527. If you plan ahead you can put a "casing" around the area of the hat band and
  528. put a ribbon of Gros Grain (sic) Ribbon inside to adjust the fit. I used a
  529. piece of blue ribbon and made the hat a bit loose so I can either have it
  530. tight and ridding high or loose and pulled down over my ears and etc. while
  531. sleeping. If you want you can make the inside layer out of something other
  532. than wool but two layers of wool will keep your head dry as water/moisture
  533. will not tend to travel between them, but vapor from your sweat will travel
  534. out.
  535.  
  536. If you have particular questions feel free to ask away. I remain.......
  537.  
  538.  
  539. YMOS
  540. Capt. Lahti'
  541.  
  542.  
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  549.  
  550. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:56:51 EDT
  551. From: GHickman@aol.com
  552. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  553.  
  554. In a message dated 8/10/2000 10:23:26 AM Mountain Daylight Time, kpmtnman@hotm
  555. ail.com writes:
  556.  
  557. > I have recently come into possession of a right nice red fox pelt, and can 
  558. >  not find a paatern for a hat. (Ihave Buckskinning 1,2,5,&6) Any pointers 
  559. or 
  560. >  directions, or patterns would be greatly appreciated.>>
  561.  
  562. I know that the full drape "road kill" hats are very popular, but there is no 
  563. documentation for them. You might try using a portion of the fox in a 
  564. Canadian Hat which is a documentable early winter hat and it really is a nice 
  565. looking hat. There are plans in Beth Gilgun's book Tiding's from the 18th 
  566. Century.
  567.  
  568. YMOS
  569. Ghosting Wolf
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  575.  
  576. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:54:43 -0700
  577. From: "Bruce S. de Lis" <delis@fastq.com>
  578. Subject: MtMan-List: Still Thinking About A Caywood?
  579.  
  580. Well two years ago almost I first laid eye on the Caywood Muzzleloader,
  581. that I personally think every time I think of getting Smoothbore.
  582.  
  583. The three I keep considering are the Northwest Trade Gun, The French
  584. Type C, and also the French Type D.
  585.  
  586. So I ask several question hoping that some of you have a personal
  587. experience to share with my about your own Caywood Guns.
  588.  
  589. 1.. I understand that Caywood Barrels, as made of a Modern Steel the
  590. like of Modern Shotgun Steel Barrel, verses the normal muzzleloader
  591. barrel with a lead content, and a softer steel like Getz, Colerail, or
  592. Green Mountain.
  593.  
  594. 2.  Have any of you Caywood owners had any personal experience with
  595. Caywood=92s Interchangeable Barrel System, as I am considering order with
  596. a Rifled Barrel, and a Smoothbore Barrel.  .54 Caliber Rifled, and 28
  597. Gauge Smoothbore.
  598.  
  599. 3  Anyone know the time periods of the Northwest Trade Gun?  Think the
  600. French Type C=92s  are 1730=92s, and also the French Type D=92s 1750=92s.
  601. Correct or incorrect??
  602.  
  603. Last anyone got anything positive, or negative to say about Caywood's.
  604. All I hear is how great they are, and personally have never heard a
  605. negative word about the Caywood Product.
  606.  
  607. Thanks,
  608.  
  609. Penny Pincher
  610.  
  611. Retired and loving it in Sun City West, Arizona
  612. The land of the Senior Citizens, but a place where you are only as old
  613. as you act.
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  620.  
  621. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:22:09 -0500
  622. From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
  623. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  624.  
  625. Lou Sickler wrote:
  626. Hope you're not going to waste your time & a good pelt makin one of =
  627. those
  628. "full drape" fur hats.=20
  629.  
  630. In July I saw a "full drape" hat made from a javelina hide. Never saw =
  631. such a thing before.  It was....well, odd.   It looked like it could =
  632. cast a spell or something.
  633. A "wolf" hat made from wool blanketing is dead on period and proper and =
  634. is great to keep one's near-about bald head warm on cool Idaho nights. =20
  635. Use you fox pelt to build a hat if it suits you, but you CAN use a fox =
  636. pelt to scare a Chihuahua dog nearly to death.  Little ankle biting sob =
  637. ran off a bed right into space almost far enough to hit a wall.  You had =
  638. to be there to appreciate the humor.
  639. Lanney Ratcliff
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  647. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:55:46 -0500
  648. From: "harddog" <harddog@mediaone.net>
  649. Subject: MtMan-List: Dogs and zFur Hats
  650.  
  651. Lanney,
  652. Used to scare the crap out of my 4 dogs with one of them full drape coyote
  653. hats. They would growl, bark and run into the other room. That is until one
  654. of them got ahold if it when I wasn't around and tore the damn thing to
  655. shreads. Oh well the thing wasn't PC anyhow, but the good wife did buy it
  656. for me.
  657. YMOS,
  658. Harddog
  659.  
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  665.  
  666. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:37:33 EDT
  667. From: Wind1838@aol.com
  668. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
  669.  
  670. Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings show a "wolf" hat made from wool blanketing.  
  671. Saw several this summer at the Pacific Primitive Rendezvous in Susanville, 
  672. California.  Very impressive and not one lick of fur.
  673.  
  674. Laura Glise
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  681. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:38:51 -0600
  682. From: "Terry R. Koenig" <trkoenig@pvtnetworks.net>
  683. Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Hat Pattern
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  697. Kevin:
  698.  
  699. I personally always thought those full draped hats "looked good."  I =
  700. never did have the right kind of plew to do one up, or I'd have one =
  701. myself. The red fox plew you have sure sounds like it would make a dandy =
  702. looking topper -  and provides you with a great opportunity to express =
  703. your own individuality. Make a statement I say. . . . damn the =
  704. documentation! Are ye a mountain man, or just following some of the =
  705. crowd that's become overly obsessed with the documentation of every =
  706. little detail.=20
  707.  
  708. I can't offer you documentary proof that a mountain man wore such a =
  709. chapeau, but who the hell can document they didn't.
  710.  
  711. A. J. Miller the painter who went to rendezvous in "37" had this to say =
  712. about trappers hats.
  713.  
  714. "the peculiar caps on their heads are made by themselves, to replace =
  715. felt hats, long since worn out, or lost," p. 29 "The West of A.J. =
  716. Miller" ed.  Marvin C. Ross, Univ. of Okla. Press, 1968.
  717.  
  718. Again from the same text p. 147 "Some of their caps are constructed of =
  719. the same material;(Mackinaw blanket) but these last exercise to a great =
  720. extent the genius of the Trapper."
  721.  
  722. I can't say that Miller ever did paint a trapper with a full drape skin =
  723. hat, but no doubt there were a lot of things he saw, but never painted.
  724.  
  725. Another artist Karl Bodmer went up the Missouri in "33 - 34" and painted =
  726. a lot of Indians on the upper Missouri. Remembering that trappers =
  727. adapted a lot of their clothing from the Indians I thought these two =
  728. paintings from "People of the First Man"  ed. by Davis Thomas & Karin =
  729. Ronnefeldt, E.P. Dutton & Co., Inc, NY, 1976.  are of some interest. =
  730. They may not be red fox, but still.
  731.  
  732.  "An Assinboin hunter, dressed for the coming winter weather." p. 157
  733.  
  734.  Excerpt of Bodmer's copy of Mato-Tope's painted buffalo robe. p. 221.
  735.  
  736. Mayne Reid an author and veteran of the Mexican War published in 1850 =
  737. "Scalp Hunters," in which, he described some mountain men who were scalp =
  738. hunters. "On his head is a raccoon cap, with the face of the animal =
  739. looking to the front, while the barred tail hang like a plume drooping =
  740. down to his left shoulder."  This reference is not "period correct", as =
  741. so many of todays guru's of the fur trade will quickly point out, but it =
  742. does give you an idea of what a mountain man was wearing in the 1840's.
  743.  
  744. There you have it. . . .not an example of extensive research, but hell I =
  745. figure it's enough. If you fancy a full draped cap, then show your =
  746. "genius" with that red fox plew. . . . do her up fine, and to hell with =
  747. all the nit picking.
  748.  
  749. Terry R. Koenig
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