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hist_text-digest         Sunday, July 23 2000         Volume 01 : Number 595



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá MtMan-List: Invitation
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Invitation
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá MtMan-List: Chouteau Days    Salina Oklahoma
-áááááá Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days    Salina Oklahoma
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: moulds
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: moulds
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: moulds
-áááááá MtMan-List: Chris Gardner
-áááááá MtMan-List: Horses and such
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Horses and such
-áááááá MtMan-List: COA
-áááááá MtMan-List: COA
-áááááá MtMan-List: COA
-áááááá MtMan-List: Tin Smith

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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:23:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

Hi Larry,

I've tried a few different combinations and this seems to work the best.  At
first I tried a blanket and that slipped and seemed to make a tender spot on
Sonny's (my horse) back.  Next I tired a couple of blankets and his back was
better, but the saddle still slipped back when I went up hills.  Next I
tried a pad only and it worked OK but still slipped a little.  Finally, I
tried a combination of a pad underneath, blanket on top and a breast collar.
This worked fine.  Later someone suggested that I put the blanket on his
back and the pad on top.  I tried that but with another thin blanket on top
of the pad to cover it and that worked even better because the blanket on
the bottom seems to form to his back.  Probably the only difference I would
do if going on an overnight trip would be to eliminate the pad and thin
blanket and go with the thick blanket on his back and one of my Whitney
blankets on top of that and then the saddle.  I think the 2 thick blankets
would be enough padding and also quite adiquate for me to sleep in.

Only reason I don't use the Whitney now is I see no reason to put a lot of
wear on it unless I have to (like to keep me warm.)

Also, hope you had a good time at the National and come out to the ranch and
take a ride with me or maybe up at the Mission?  Talk to you soon.

Best Regards,

Jerry
________________________________________________________________________________
At 08:29 AM 07/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>    Have you tried any other "period" methods on your horse for replacing
>the pad?  In five years of use, the pad obviously works but does anything
>else?  Or is the only thing you've tried?  Just curious.
>
>Larry
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:41 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such
>
>
>> Lee,
>>
>> I ride a Spanish Gourdhorn Saddle that was built on the description of a
>> saddle that Jed Smith acquired while in California in 1826 or 27.  This is
>> the only saddle I use.  It has no padding or sheepskin on the
>undersurfaces
>> and as such, this is how I've set it up to keep it from slipping.  I use a
>> Belgian Army blanket directly on my horse's back that is thick, like a
>> Whitney, but much less expensive.  Then on top of that I put a small
>modern
>> round pad (about the size of the saddle) and then on top of that goes a
>> course Mexican blanket to cover the pad.  In addition I use an old style
>> breast collar to keep the saddle from slipping back when going up hills.
>> Except for my modern saddle pad, everything else (saddle and tack) is
>period
>> correct.
>>
>> I've had the saddle about 4 years now and use it every weekend (both
>> Saturdays and Sundays) on trail rides that usually last between 2 to 5
>hours
>> through moderate to difficult terrain.  After much experimentation I've
>> found this setup to work the best for me and my horse.  Even though it's
>not
>> 100% correct (because of the pad), the pad is completely covered and it
>> really keeps my horse's back from getting sore (which is my main concern);
>> he has never had a back problem or saddle sores in the 5 years I've been
>> riding him.  I think whatever works to keep the horse healthy and
>> comfortable is more important than being 100% correct.
>>
>> That's how I do it and had much success.  Just my opinion.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
>>
>____________________________________________________________________________
>____
>>
>> At 11:35 PM 07/17/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>> >On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, John C. Funk, Jr. wrote:
>> >>    "Many of the Spanish saddles that the American Fur Company  obtained
>in
>> >> St. Louis in the 1830s seem to have had padding on the undersurfaces of
>the
>> >> saddleboards, at least at the time of purchase".
>> >
>> >Hallo John
>> >
>> >Reading the notes of a professional saddlemaker (contemporary), he states
>> >that his first Hope saddles didn't have any thing between them and the
>> >pad, but he changed over and started putting fleece on the underside.
>The
>> >reason he did this was because without the fleece, the saddles had a
>> >tendacy to "wander" on the horse's back.  The fleece apparently
>> >"locks" the saddle to the pad/blanket
>> >
>> >Having been the recipiant of at least one "wandering" saddle on a round
>> >backed horse, I can understand why it's there<G>
>> >
>> >Which brings me to a second question that I hadn't even thought
>> >of... saddle blankets.  How many of y'all throw a Hudson's or a Witney
>> >under the saddle?  What are you using?
>> >
>> >For what it's worth....
>> >
>> >Your Most Obedient Servant...
>> >
>> >Lee Newbill of North Idaho
>> >Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>> >www.geocities.com/northscribe
>> >
>> >
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

Lee,

I don't have a scanner but know someone who does.  I'm not sure I have a
photograph but I do have some drawings I made of my saddle and a couple of
others I would be happy to e-mail to you as soon as I get the chance.

This would also be a good opportunity to get some low cost publicity for
selling some of my art work.  Ha!!!

Best Regards,

Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
________________________________________________________________________________

At 02:45 PM 07/20/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Jerry, and others....
>
>On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Jerry & Barbara Zaslow wrote:
>> I ride a Spanish Gourdhorn Saddle that was built on the description of a
>> saddle that Jed Smith acquired while in California in 1826 or 27.
>
>If you have a picture you can scan and send it to me, I would like to see
>some of the historical and reproduction saddles in use by the folks on
>this list.  I would post these on my website to share if anyone else is
>interested....
>
>Your Most Obedient Servant...
>
>Lee Newbill of North Idaho
>Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>www.geocities.com/northscribe
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

Hello again Lee,

Just thought I'd mention if you're going to use breast collars (which I
understand are not exactly period correct but do keep the saddle from
slipping) you might think of using what is called an old style breast
collar.  I got this book on tack called, "Western Tack Tips" by Tom Hall.
It is copyright 1987 and kind of like the Mountain Men Sketchbooks except
with tack.  On page 43 it has a picture of the "Old Style Breast Collar"
that I use.

I've been told they didn't use a breast collar but I'd rather use it than
wind up sitting in the saddle on my horse's butt.

Sounds like you are starting a mini heard also.  We have 3 horses.  Two 19
year old gelding quarterhorses and a 5 year old mustang mare.  All three are
excellent trail horses but we've been through a couple of interesting
experiences with the mare.  We got her about 8 months ago and she was
supposed to be completely saddle broke.  We rode her when we bought her but
of course, found out her quirks after we got her home.  It took about 2
months of consistent work to get her to stop spinning when we put on the
saddle and tried to get up on her.  At first it took about 1/2 an hour of
constant round and round until she got tired of turning her butt.  Today she
doesn't even move.  Another fun exercise was getting her to get in and out
of the trailer.  Carrots and O & M do work wonders and today she gets in in
less than a minute.  Still love those horses and wouldn't trade any of them
for anything.

Talk to you later.

Best Regards,

Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
________________________________________________________________________________
At 03:11 PM 07/20/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Mike Moore wrote:
>> How do you like to rig your
>> horse?
>
>Hallo again Mike
>
>That's what I'm in the process of working out.  I spend a lot of time in
>the mountains either going straight up or down.  I am currently using
>either a Stueben english saddle with thick wool felt pad (not period), or
>a western saddle with swelled fork and a modern wool pad.  I am going to
>have to put breast collars on everything to keep the saddle from slipping
>back on the upward lunges, but don't think a crupper is neccesary at this
>time as I've never had a saddle slip forward.... yet.
>
>I am looking at replacing the felt pad with a folded blanket in the 3.5
>point size, and getting a piece of buff hide to sit on.  I want the blanke
>to go back far enough, and hang down low enough to keep bedrolls and
>saddlebags from chaffing the hores's side.
>
>Three pack rigs, two deckers, one sawbuck.  Am trying to trade the
>older decker off for a reasonably good sawbuck so I will have two pack
>rigs that will fit into the period of 1800.
>
>One of the things I'm working on right now, is the saddle bags.
>I've seen some pictures of english style saddles from the early
>1800's, and the pictures show that portion of the leather
>connecting the saddlebags with a horizontal split, so that the bags will
>be held in place by the rise of the cantle, and the wieght of the
>rider.  With an english rigging, I'm a little stumped as where to put the
>bedroll since I wanted it behind me in it's traditional place,
>but don't want the whole kit-and-caboodle coming apart in a
>blow-up... nothing like a set of saddlebags and bedroll wrapped
>around a freaked out horse's neck to really get things going.... more
>research I reckon.
>
>I have four horses, ages 25, 15(?), 5 and 6 monthes, all appaloosas, with
>the 25 year old gelding and the 5 year old mare being designated the main
>pack animals.  The stud colt just kinda wanders around in the back getting
>into trouble at the moment.  Absolutely agree that the health of the horse
>come before being absolutely period correct.  As the cost of a good horse
>is running about the cost of two decent rifles, I can't afford to be
>soring them up or eating them for dinner <G>
>
>Yesterday, while on a training ride on the mare (just broke to saddle this
>week), we dang near wound up at the bottom of cliff when she decided that
>straight was no longer where she wanted to go... so maybe I'll add an
>ejection seat to the line up <BG>
>
>Your Most Obedient Servant...
>
>Lee Newbill of North Idaho
>Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
>www.geocities.com/northscribe
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

Hallo Again

Got some nice pics from Lynn Kirby of a 1770 (or so) southwest saddle,
it's up for all to see at www.geocities.com/northscribe

Under the history section.

Your Most Obedient Servant...

Lee Newbill of North Idaho
Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:06:02 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Invitation

Gentelmen and Ladies,
Please excuse this none period subject, but for some reason I can not get
the list to except my e-mail post.
A couple of weeks ago I got a wild idea to hold an "Old Timers Camp", since
then I have contacted a lot of old inactive and active members and invited
them to attend. Since then "all" the Brothers I have contacted have agreed
to come, now some of these guy's haven't been seen on the ground for up too
20 years(Scary) but this camp is going to be fun.
Now for the reason for this post, "You are all invited to come, I don't care
if your a teen or a geezer. Because I can't call everyone, if you are
lerking on this list please contact me if you would like to come at=
[e-mail]
YMOS
Ole # 718

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:15:10 +0100
From: "Bob Schmidt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

Perhaps this will be of help:

To keep your saddle blanket from sliding out from under the saddle:
  Take a 30" x 66" wool saddle blanket......open it completely.
  Roll up a gunnysack and lay it across the center of the blanket,
  fold the blanket over, edges together.  Place fold in FRONT of
  saddle ....then cinch up your horse.
The gunnysack may also be used as hobbles when the saddle is
not in use.
Hope it works for you, it does for me.
Bob Schmidt
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:47:27 -0700
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation

Hi Ole,   When and Where?   hardtack #1424

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:36:24 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

Robert,
Good to hear from you.  Any comments on the "breast collar" topic?  And,
"cruppers" too, while your at it??
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:21:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days    Salina Oklahoma

Hello the list!!!
 The city of Salina, Oklahoma; Northeastern
Oklahoma,(location of Chouteau Museum)is sponsoring
their annual
 celebration of the birthday of Jean Pierre Chouteau.
Who established the first White settelment in 1796, in
this area.
 The Oklahoma Historical Society has helped with this
in the past, but the lady at the museum wanted to have
an "open" camp.
 The OHS is not coming!!
 We are wondering if there is anyone near, AR., KA.,
MO., Ok that cancome and help add to the camp site???
 She said anyone that can depict the period of late
17's to mid 18's ;traders, trappers, Indian camps
et.al.
 They have about 3 acres of museum and city park
ground
 to set up on.
 Bring your trade goods !!!
 The Dates Are,
 October 5th setup day, Oct. 6th. school day, and open
to public on Oct, 7th.
 Chouteau's Birthday is Oct.10 this is the weekend
befor.
They had fire wood, and city water available last
year.
 ALL Help and Hands!!!!

Anyone that is interested, PLEASE contact me off list
!!!
 [e-mail]

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George R. Noe< [e-mail] >
Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:32:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days    Salina Oklahoma

  This is the lady that is in charge at the museum.

    C.N. Montgomery

> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chouteau Days    Salina
> Oklahoma
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:16:25 -0700
>
> Oh, Yeah you can put my telephone number
> 918-434-2224 or email
> [e-mail]


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George R. Noe< [e-mail] >
Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Bob Schmidt wrote:
> The gunnysack may also be used as hobbles when the saddle is
> not in use.

Hallo Bob

For the sake of all those scratching their head, and trying to figger out
how yer gonna stuff that cayuse into a gunny sack, exactly how are you
using the sack.... twisted, tied and figured eighted?  Do you sideline 'em
too, or just kick 'em loose with the hobbles?

Your Most Obedient Servant...

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:06:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moulds

How do I get off this mailing list?

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:21:56 -0600
From: Joe Brandl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

Hey bob,

do you ever have any old boot tops I can buy, trade or barter, I want
to make some Indian style bags from them?

sincerely

Joe Brandl
Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com
Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440
New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!!

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:46:22 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddles and Such

OK, Pappy...
Boy, yer on the hot seat now !!!

Let's see.....the questions were...
1. Breast collars and their relevance to  the Fur Trade.
2. Cruppers    "      "     "     "          "      "      "     "   .
3. Making "hobbles" out of (potato), (gunny) hemp sacks.

I can see the expression on your face now.  ("Man, how did I get into
this?")

John Funk

P.S.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:52:46 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moulds

Huntershorn wrote:

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:00:37 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moulds

[e-mail] writes:

> How do I get off this mailing list?
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Uh....why don't you try reading.  The answer seems to be right in front of
you with every message you receive.  It appears herding cats is a universal
trait.

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:14:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Chris Gardner

May you rest under the shade of the trees in Eternal Blue Sky Land and
may The Eternal Son (of Jehovah The Great Spirit Father - The Most High
God) trek with you into this shining new territory to explore and enjoy
forever.

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:02:29 -0600
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Horses and such

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Lee wrote:

That's what I'm in the process of working out. I spend a lot of time in =
the mountains either going straight up or down..... but don't think a =
crupper is neccesary at this time as I've never had a saddle slip =
forward.... yet

I have found that a saddle can slip back a long way without bothering =
the horse much- jus makes more work for him. But if it goes a few inches =
ahead on a downhill trail, it is on his withers and he is in pain. He =
will either shorten his stride and really stick his back feet under or =
try to jog out from under the saddle. A little farther forward and you =
can be spitting rocks out of yer mouth cause falling down hill you can =
really get up some momentum. I have used cruppers off and on mostly =
depending on the saddle. My experience might be different since I am a =
sorry excuse, and because I have not bothered to tighten the cinch much. =


Also I see a lot of cruppers in Miller paintings, but I do not see =
breast collars on riding stock. Can someone enlighten me with =
documentation?=20

On another note, Jerry Zaslow referred to a description of the saddle =
that Jed procured in California. Can someone let me know where to find =
that source.

Thank You

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:11:02 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses and such

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:22:11 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: COA

Hello the list:

Just letting all and sundry know I have changed my
address to:

[e-mail]

Thanx.

Kristopher K. Barrett

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:20:21 -0700
From: [e-mail]
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Hello the list...

Just letting all and sundry know I have changed my address to:

[e-mail].



Kristopher K. Barrett

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:23:05 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: COA

Errrr. make that [e-mail].


Sorry...

Kristopher K. Barrett

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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:20:51 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tin Smith

Gentelmen and Ladies,
Wen't for a ride with a freind yesterday to pick up the last piece to his
set of nesting tin pots,
when we got to his place we found a shop full of tin good's and samples of
his work.
The good's are all first rate and historicly correct, he ranges in goods
from the 1700's to the 1900's.
A couple of samples are:
Tin canteen's (flask type) 1 1/2 qt for 25.00ea
set of 3 pot's 60.00 per set
he also makes lanterns,tin plates, tin wash basins, candle holders, candle
molds, and moore.
He has no web page, no catalog, just word of mouth.
His name is Jack Powers, he lives in Heber city, Utah and you can reach him
at
435-654-2626
This guy is a great.
YMOS
Ole # 718

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