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hist_text-digest         Tuesday, May 9 2000         Volume 01 : Number 533



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old guns
-áááááá MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old guns
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Old guns
-áááááá MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: raw horns
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: saw
-áááááá MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 17:33:51 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old guns

[e-mail] wrote:

> I just came into possession of two old rifles that belonged to my
> grandfather. (Old Remington 30-06 and a Winchester 30-06).  They shoot
> incredibly well and have modified stocks to fit him exactly.  They are rifles
> I will always keep and pass on down to my son.  In contemplating this passing
> of firearms I began to wonder if the same tradition existed in earlier times
> (18th and 19th centuries).  While I am definitely a beginner in this
> historical re-enactment field I have done some research into early guns but
> have not found references to guns being passed down within families.  My
> ponderings have led to several questions.
>
> Were there guns made during the late 1700's (1760's to 1800) that showed up
> in the mountains in the 1810's to 1830's?  Was it possible that some trappers
> and mountain men went to the Rockies with guns that belonged to fathers and
> grandfathers?
> How long did an early muzzleloader last a man (barring being lost or stolen )?
> Is it possible that the large caliber early rifles, (early Virginia of the
> 1760 period to late 18th century rifles) made there way into the rockies
> during the rendezvous period?
> I seem to recall having read that several early mountain men used late 18th
> century Lancaster style rifles.  I would be very interested to know if anyone
> on the list has found reference to these early guns which may lead to the
> supposition that they could have been passed down within the family?
>
> Most Respectfully
> Steve

Steve,
For a short answer to all your questions, it's yes guns have been passed on,
carried west, did the fur trade north and southwest. One good example is the
military musket, side by side shotgun and of course the trade gun. I'm sure
members on the list will get into the different ignitions, barrels lengths, cal,
etc.

I have several that belonged to family member's that have been passed on for many
generations. A pre 1813 Sharpe tradegun, a pre- 1800 Sutherland tradegun, several
flint side by sides that are in the late 1700's, same for officer pistols from the
F&I and Rev Wars. They all shoot and I have been the last one in the family to
make meat with several of them, there's a good example of a weapon - late 1700's
making meat in the late 1900's, 200 years ain,t bad for a weapon's life and she
isn't done yet. I'm sure my grandson, now 5 will be tempted to try his hand at it
when he becomes of age to handle a 46" barrel.

I'm sure members on the list have like examples within their families, and have
read or researched of old guns lasting longer that my personal examples.

Look at edged weapons, have read of swords being cut down, reshaped, etc. from the
original metal and still being carried 250-275 years later in Scotland, Ireland
and England.

Lets hear from Dick, Hawk and the others, good subject Steve.

Later

Buck Conner



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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:58:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

helloooo the list,
a BUDDY OF MINE ASKED ME THE OTHER DAY IF i KNEW WHERE TO FIND A RECIPE FOR
"APPLE PIE" LIQUOR. I told him that I thought that I had seen it on this here
list.  Does anyone have a recipe that they could post.  Thanks in advance.

your servant
Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith

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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:15:28 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old guns

Steve,
  I can't quote documentation about early trappers carrying their grandpa's
rifles or trade guns, but it only makes sense that they did.  Most of those
guys were young men, who probably didn't have a lot of money to use to get
outfitted with.  We know that many of them initially signed on as " Company
Men ", and drew what gear they needed from the fur company.  I to, would
like to see some references to early rifles being carried to the " Stony
Mountains ", as Jefferson called them.  I agree with Buck, this is a great
topic !
Pendleton
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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 4:05 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Old guns


I just came into possession of two old rifles that belonged to my
grandfather. (Old Remington 30-06 and a Winchester 30-06).  They shoot
incredibly well and have modified stocks to fit him exactly.  They are
rifles
I will always keep and pass on down to my son.  In contemplating this
passing
of firearms I began to wonder if the same tradition existed in earlier times
(18th and 19th centuries).  While I am definitely a beginner in this
historical re-enactment field I have done some research into early guns but
have not found references to guns being passed down within families.  My
ponderings have led to several questions.

Were there guns made during the late 1700's (1760's to 1800) that showed up
in the mountains in the 1810's to 1830's?  Was it possible that some
trappers
and mountain men went to the Rockies with guns that belonged to fathers and
grandfathers?
How long did an early muzzleloader last a man (barring being lost or
stolen )?
Is it possible that the large caliber early rifles, (early Virginia of the
1760 period to late 18th century rifles) made there way into the rockies
during the rendezvous period?
I seem to recall having read that several early mountain men used late 18th
century Lancaster style rifles.  I would be very interested to know if
anyone
on the list has found reference to these early guns which may lead to the
supposition that they could have been passed down within the family?

Most Respectfully
Steve

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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:42:47 -0700
From: Steve M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

Here's a recipe that has been on the list several times. I have made it
and it turn out real good.
1 gallon apple cider
1cup brown sugar
1 cup honey
5 cinnamon sticks
7whole cloves
juice of 1/2 lemon
Simmer all for 45 minutes. Will reduce slightly.
Strain out spices, let cool to room temperature.
Add 1 fifth Everclear. I could not get Everclear so I subbed for Captain
Morgans Rum.
The longer it sets, the smoother it gets. Don't never go bad. I also
have a recipe for Shrub. If you want it can send it off line for you.

Steve"boatkiller" McGehee



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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:55:38 -0400
From: manbear <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

Steve,

Could I also get the Shrub recipe?  A fellow called Doc let us try some at
a camp in Niles MI last year but he wouldn't get off the recipe.

Thanks and Travel Well

Manbear

Steve M wrote:

> Here's a recipe that has been on the list several times. I have made it
> and it turn out real good.
> 1 gallon apple cider
> 1cup brown sugar
> 1 cup honey
> 5 cinnamon sticks
> 7whole cloves
> juice of 1/2 lemon
> Simmer all for 45 minutes. Will reduce slightly.
> Strain out spices, let cool to room temperature.
> Add 1 fifth Everclear. I could not get Everclear so I subbed for Captain
> Morgans Rum.
> The longer it sets, the smoother it gets. Don't never go bad. I also
> have a recipe for Shrub. If you want it can send it off line for you.
>
> Steve"boatkiller" McGehee
>
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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:35:10 -0400
From: manbear <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

List Members,

My most humble apologies for that last message.  it was supposed to go to
Steve Off-List but I didn't notice that the Reply To is set back to the
list.  Most other lists I belong to have reply set to the sender and reply to
set to All.

Again my Humble Apologies

Manbear

manbear wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Could I also get the Shrub recipe?  A fellow called Doc let us try some at
> a camp in Niles MI last year but he wouldn't get off the recipe.
>
> Thanks and Travel Well
>
> Manbear
>
> Steve M wrote:
>
> > Here's a recipe that has been on the list several times. I have made it
> > and it turn out real good.
> > 1 gallon apple cider
> > 1cup brown sugar
> > 1 cup honey
> > 5 cinnamon sticks
> > 7whole cloves
> > juice of 1/2 lemon
> > Simmer all for 45 minutes. Will reduce slightly.
> > Strain out spices, let cool to room temperature.
> > Add 1 fifth Everclear. I could not get Everclear so I subbed for Captain
> > Morgans Rum.
> > The longer it sets, the smoother it gets. Don't never go bad. I also
> > have a recipe for Shrub. If you want it can send it off line for you.
> >
> > Steve"boatkiller" McGehee
> >
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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:21:48 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

That recipe sounds pretty good....really easy to chug.   Be aware that =
the alcohol figures out to be about 20%......40 proof...and could sneak =
up on anybody not aware of its potency.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
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From: Steve M <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe


> Here's a recipe that has been on the list several times. I have made =
it
> and it turn out real good.
> 1 gallon apple cider
> 1cup brown sugar
> 1 cup honey
> 5 cinnamon sticks
> 7whole cloves
> juice of 1/2 lemon
> Simmer all for 45 minutes. Will reduce slightly.
> Strain out spices, let cool to room temperature.
> Add 1 fifth Everclear. I could not get Everclear so I subbed for =
Captain
> Morgans Rum.
> The longer it sets, the smoother it gets. Don't never go bad. I also
> have a recipe for Shrub. If you want it can send it off line for you.
>=20
> Steve"boatkiller" McGehee
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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:55:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

Steve why not share your Shrub recipe with the list too. It might be easier
Manbear isn't the only one what's got a taste for some shrub. This child has
got a powerful dry on his own self.    Crazy Cyot








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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:20:10 -0700
From: Steve M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

I got this recipe from some one on the list some time ago. I have not
tried it myself, but it sure sounds gooood!

Fifth of white rum
3 oranges
3 lemons
1/2 cup sugar.
Take the zest of all lemons and oranges (that's just the peel, no white
stuff) and add to a bowl that holds at least a half a gallon. Juice
oranges and lemons and add the juice to the bowl, no pulp or pith. Add
rum, cover tightly and let sit at room temperature for 3 days.

After 3 days, strain, add half a fifth of water and stir in 1/2 cup
sugar.
I have been told this stuff will sneak up on you. Oh what the heck have
at it. You only live once they say.

Steve"boatkiller"McGehee


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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:44:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Apple pie recipe

Thanks Boatkiller,
    And to all of you who responded.  I'll pass these recipes along to my
buddy, and then watch him fall down, he-he.  I appreciate you rapid response.

"Sleeps Loudly"

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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 07:47:55 -0600
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old guns

Larry,
I saw this thread and felt that I needed to tell you something. A year ago I
came into posession of an 1814 common rifle in 54 cal flint. This weapon was
made for the war of 1812. how did it get to Utah? and why wasn't it
converted?. This is not the first such weapon that I have seen. It stands to
reason that valubles have been passed down since the begining of time and
this would include gun's.
I don't know if the Rifle that I have came out with a traper? or a gun
dealer in 1958? but would guess that someone cared for it a long time. I
belive that as most of you, I will pass on my gun's either to a member of my
family who I know will take care of them as I have or I will give them to
such a freind that I know will respect and keep them safe.
YMOS
Ole
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>From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old guns
>Date: Sun, May 7, 2000, 9:15 PM
>

>Steve,
>  I can't quote documentation about early trappers carrying their grandpa's
>rifles or trade guns, but it only makes sense that they did.  Most of those
>guys were young men, who probably didn't have a lot of money to use to get
>outfitted with.  We know that many of them initially signed on as " Company
>Men ", and drew what gear they needed from the fur company.  I to, would
>like to see some references to early rifles being carried to the " Stony
>Mountains ", as Jefferson called them.  I agree with Buck, this is a great
>topic !
>Pendleton
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 4:05 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Old guns
>
>
>I just came into possession of two old rifles that belonged to my
>grandfather. (Old Remington 30-06 and a Winchester 30-06).  They shoot
>incredibly well and have modified stocks to fit him exactly.  They are
>rifles
>I will always keep and pass on down to my son.  In contemplating this
>passing
>of firearms I began to wonder if the same tradition existed in earlier times
>(18th and 19th centuries).  While I am definitely a beginner in this
>historical re-enactment field I have done some research into early guns but
>have not found references to guns being passed down within families.  My
>ponderings have led to several questions.
>
>Were there guns made during the late 1700's (1760's to 1800) that showed up
>in the mountains in the 1810's to 1830's?  Was it possible that some
>trappers
>and mountain men went to the Rockies with guns that belonged to fathers and
>grandfathers?
>How long did an early muzzleloader last a man (barring being lost or
>stolen )?
>Is it possible that the large caliber early rifles, (early Virginia of the
>1760 period to late 18th century rifles) made there way into the rockies
>during the rendezvous period?
>I seem to recall having read that several early mountain men used late 18th
>century Lancaster style rifles.  I would be very interested to know if
>anyone
>on the list has found reference to these early guns which may lead to the
>supposition that they could have been passed down within the family?
>
>Most Respectfully
>Steve
>
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:10:30 -0600
From: Bobbie <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: saw

   I'm finding myself needing a saw of some sort, and wondering..... I
don't suppose there would be anything like a small folding saw that would
be period correct, would there?

       Bobbie

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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:06:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

Bobbie, I haven't seen anything in 'folding' saws, but Panther does sell a
camp saw that is of primitive design, relatively light weight, measures 15 x
21 and I can tell you from personal experience, it works GREAT.  Its #
3000-744-2 and sells for $22.00 (per page 96 of Catalog # 12).  Hope this is
of some help.   Barney

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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:05:05 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

Bobbie,

I'm not aware of any saws being packed by eastern hunters or mountain men
but many of us do carry one at times. Usually only on canoe trips or winter
camps. I made my saw and it really is quit easy. Not expensive either.

I used oak pallet material and a commercial camp saw blade. You can make a
simple "H" frame saw with the cross bar mortised into the uprights. Use some
heavy cord between the two upper arms with a "Paddle" in the cord to wind it
tight to take tension on the blade and then "lock" it on the cross bar so it
doesn't unwind.

use a couple quarter inch bolts as pins throughout the lower ends of the
upright to secure the blade at both ends. Cut a couple slits in the bottom
of the upright to slide the blade into. The uprights need to be the length
of the blade apart when vertical so that is how you figure the length of the
cross brace. The blade needs to be around half its length or a bit more,
down from the cross piece and the cord about half the length of the blade up
away from the cross brace.

You can get much fancier than that and make it quit a work of art but that
is the basic machine. IF you have specific design questions, feel free. I
remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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From: "Bobbie" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:10 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: saw


>    I'm finding myself needing a saw of some sort, and wondering..... I
> don't suppose there would be anything like a small folding saw that would
> be period correct, would there?
>
>        Bobbie
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:49:50 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

Not getting commercial here, but there are the plans for what I think is a
very nice collapsible saw (I have carried one for years: invaluable if you
are riding horseback in the canyons and encounter downfall) in my new book
"Lighting Grandma's Fire". I think you can get it on Amazon.
Bill C
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From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw


>Bobbie,
>
>I'm not aware of any saws being packed by eastern hunters or mountain men
>but many of us do carry one at times. Usually only on canoe trips or winter
>camps. I made my saw and it really is quit easy. Not expensive either.
>
>I used oak pallet material and a commercial camp saw blade. You can make a
>simple "H" frame saw with the cross bar mortised into the uprights. Use
some
>heavy cord between the two upper arms with a "Paddle" in the cord to wind
it
>tight to take tension on the blade and then "lock" it on the cross bar so
it
>doesn't unwind.
>
>use a couple quarter inch bolts as pins throughout the lower ends of the
>upright to secure the blade at both ends. Cut a couple slits in the bottom
>of the upright to slide the blade into. The uprights need to be the length
>of the blade apart when vertical so that is how you figure the length of
the
>cross brace. The blade needs to be around half its length or a bit more,
>down from the cross piece and the cord about half the length of the blade
up
>away from the cross brace.
>
>You can get much fancier than that and make it quit a work of art but that
>is the basic machine. IF you have specific design questions, feel free. I
>remain.....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bobbie" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:10 AM
>Subject: MtMan-List: saw
>
>
>>    I'm finding myself needing a saw of some sort, and wondering..... I
>> don't suppose there would be anything like a small folding saw that would
>> be period correct, would there?
>>
>>        Bobbie
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:09:37 -0600
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

Bobbie wrote:

>    I'm finding myself needing a saw of some sort, and wondering..... I
> don't suppose there would be anything like a small folding saw that would
> be period correct, would there?
>
>        Bobbie
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see Clark & Sons Mercantile: http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:07:18 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

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Bobbie,

There are several styles of saw correct to the period.

What is it you want to cut?  Metal, wood, bone?  Fine work or coarse?

John...


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>    I'm finding myself needing a saw of some sort, and wondering..... I
>don't suppose there would be anything like a small folding saw that would
>be period correct, would there?
>
>        Bobbie
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Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
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John...<br>
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:42:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Question

Bows:  Charlie Acuna, POB 1681, Taos, NM  [phone].   Very beautiful
work.  Also does some mighty fine knapping. Hope this helps,  Barney

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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:39:12 -0500
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: raw horns

Can anyone tell me where to get good quality horns for making powder horns
with scrimshaw?

Thanks,
northwoods


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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 01:11:44 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

have a small bow saw made of oak that would be period correct---easy to
make--use a piece of wire to tighten or a bit of artificial senue---easy
to make and take apart for carrying---I have mine made into a meat saw
and a hack saw size works great could trace it and give you aome
dimentions if you needed them---

YMHOSANT
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On Mon, 08 May 2000 10:10:30 -0600 Bobbie <[e-mail]> writes:
>    I'm finding myself needing a saw of some sort, and wondering.....
> I
> don't suppose there would be anything like a small folding saw that
> would
> be period correct, would there?
>
>        Bobbie
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:03:06 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

Hawk,
 Gads Son! Can't be period correct if you use artificial sinew.. Didn't you
know that that stuff comes from those naug critters??
D

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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 01:32:30 -0600
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

Dennis,
    You are so right! Many, many of us reenactors are under the misunder-
standing that using artifical sinew makes something authenic. It is a good
replacement- strong, light weight and easy to use, but not correct. I have
been using linen thread and real sinew for the latest projects of mine and
been happy with them. Some how, we have accepted that use of this
"sinew" is correct. Maybe it is time to rethink this.
                                                    mike.

D Miles wrote:

> Hawk,
>  Gads Son! Can't be period correct if you use artificial sinew.. Didn't you
> know that that stuff comes from those naug critters??
> D
>
> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
>    http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
>   "Knowing how is just the beginning"
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:27:44 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: saw

What people have to remember, is the "ARTIFICIAL" in artificial sinew.. It
is nothing more than waxed NYLON thread.
D

"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:31:32 -0400
From: "D Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

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 I also see way to many sutlers out there that sell FANTASTIC authentic, =
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reason, allot of them also list "artificial sinew" on their trade =
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D


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          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:50:32 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)

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I was watching that antiques roadshow program one time and a guy brought =
in an Indian arrow quiver. It really looked nice and he was sure he had =
a pot of money. But the antique guy showed him that it was factory =
tanned leather, sewed with artificial sinew, which he explained was a =
hi-tech modern product. You could see the guy just wither. But it =
brought to mind a couple of questions. In true survival situations, =
would you be able to obtain enough sinew to take care of whatever it =
might be that you'd need it for? Since sinew is typically 12" long or =
less, and splicing it is tricky at best, would you carry 15 feet or so =
in your possibles pouch, or rather, perhaps, a small coil of artificial =
sinew which is infinitely long? Historical authenticity is great and a =
fine goal, but what if your life (or in some cases, your budget) =
depended on it?
Bill C
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    Subject: MtMan-List: Artificial Sinew (was saws)
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   =20
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     I also see way to many sutlers out there that sell FANTASTIC =
authentic, documented items in various forms.All high quality.... But =
for some reason, allot of them also list "artificial sinew" on their =
trade lists.....GO figger...
    D
   =20
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    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
              DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
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