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hist_text-digest          Monday, May 1 2000          Volume 01 : Number 529



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal
-áááááá MtMan-List: Irish mountain man novel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...

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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:37:19 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...

Try Arrow Moccasin Company.  I think that is the company you are =
thinking about.  I have heard many good things about their products.
Lanney Ratcliff
http://www.arrowmoc.com/

- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...


> John,
> Hate to barge in on this thread, but I have heard that there is =
another
> company making a mocasin like Dyer's? If someone knows who they are =
and how
> to get a hold of them please post your info.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: manbear <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
> >Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000, 10:17 AM
> >
>=20
> >I just checked Dyer's ad in Smoke & Fire and didn't see one listed.
> >
> >Manbear
> >
> >"John C. Funk, Jr." wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know if Dyer has a web site?
> >> John Funk
> >>
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:42:24 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...

Ole.....
I'm looking for anyone that can fabricate a moc.  better than I...and that
don't say much.  If there's a better (authentic) "mouse trap", I'll look at
it (them).
John Funk



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...


> John,
> Hate to barge in on this thread, but I have heard that there is another
> company making a mocasin like Dyer's? If someone knows who they are and
how
> to get a hold of them please post your info.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: manbear <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
> >Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000, 10:17 AM
> >
>
> >I just checked Dyer's ad in Smoke & Fire and didn't see one listed.
> >
> >Manbear
> >
> >"John C. Funk, Jr." wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know if Dyer has a web site?
> >> John Funk
> >>
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:13:16 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...

Talk to Ray Glazner.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...


>John,
>Hate to barge in on this thread, but I have heard that there is another
>company making a mocasin like Dyer's? If someone knows who they are and how
>to get a hold of them please post your info.
>YMOS
>Ole # 718
>----------
>>From: manbear <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail]
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
>>Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000, 10:17 AM
>>
>
>>I just checked Dyer's ad in Smoke & Fire and didn't see one listed.
>>
>>Manbear
>>
>>"John C. Funk, Jr." wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know if Dyer has a web site?
>>> John Funk
>>>
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:13:48 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...

I have bought several of different types of foot wear that they make -
excellent every time!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...


Try Arrow Moccasin Company.  I think that is the company you are thinking
about.  I have heard many good things about their products.
Lanney Ratcliff
http://www.arrowmoc.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...


> John,
> Hate to barge in on this thread, but I have heard that there is another
> company making a mocasin like Dyer's? If someone knows who they are and
how
> to get a hold of them please post your info.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: manbear <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
> >Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000, 10:17 AM
> >
>
> >I just checked Dyer's ad in Smoke & Fire and didn't see one listed.
> >
> >Manbear
> >
> >"John C. Funk, Jr." wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know if Dyer has a web site?
> >> John Funk
> >>
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:08:36 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners

I have always appreciated Angela's postings.  She is knowledgeable, polite
and always "on focus" to the purpose of this site.  I agree with both of you
that one has to do what they have to do.  If you re-read my posting, you
will see that it acknowledges the need for those with health problems to do
what needs to be done.  And, as you mentioned, I will have my opinions which
I will share with others who have a like interest.  The discussion of
moccasins seemed to get started in a direction where modern and
comfort-oriented additions to period footwear seemed to be the sole subject.
I felt another opinion was needed so as not to give the impression that
adhering to period practice is simply "not done".  In truth, it is "done"
and for good reasons.  As this site is open to all, beginners and veterans,
I didn't want newcomers starting out thinking that what we do requires no
sacrifice to comfort.  Rain and snow falls down on our heads and the rocky
trail rises up to meet our feet.  If you live and work in the paths of those
we emulate, it is the price you must pay.  The distance between text(what
you read) and turf(what you experience) is vast.  Your knowledge is the
richer if you are able to narrow that gap.  That is the essence of my
"opinion".
I meant no disrespect to those with other opinions and I hope, Ms. Gottfred,
you didn't read that into my posting, even if others did.

Larry Huber


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners


Amen, Angela
Nothing loses the "essence" quite as much as having to stay home because
walking in moccasins is impossible without the modifications you need.  You
continue to do what you need to do and let the others have their opinions.
It amazes me that people can't separate comfort from necessity.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 1980 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners


> "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>I've tried the double soles, the triple liners, the modern foam pads
> and I found that it was like wearing a pair of shoes that looked like
> moccasins.  It 'aint the same.  The essence is lost. <<
>
> Larry,
> It's great that you can get out often enough that you can walk properly in
> the woods with your moccasins. It really does bring you closer to nature.
I
> had that skill once, but have lost it because I haven't been able to keep
> in practice.
>
> I know that if I were to wear my moccasins with a single sole and a wool
> liner, I would be experiencing pain & discomfort which the Natives & fur
> traders did not. The extra layers on the bottom & inside of my moccasins
> make up for the thin soles on my feet, my lack of skill in walking, and
the
> unhistoric surfaces at some of the events which I regularly attend. Also,
I
> can't keep afford to replace my mocs when the soles wear out quickly due
to
> being worn on pavement or sharp gravel for a week.
>
> There's still a world of difference between my moccasins + extra sole +
Dr.
> Scholl's liners and the Vibram-soled walking shoes I ordinarily wear.
>
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
>
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:27:38 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners

Larry, what a well thought out and phrased message! I believe, like you,
that everyone has a right to their own beliefs and opinions and if they
didn't share them we would have a very boring existence indeed.
Please be assured that here is one person you have never offended, nor are
likely to. I welcome diverse positions - it makes for great cerebral
exercise. I want to thank you for participating and hope that someday we may
share a campfire and continue these discussions face to face.
Yours sincerely
Bill C
- -----Original Message-----
From: Larry Huber <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners


>I have always appreciated Angela's postings.  She is knowledgeable, polite
>and always "on focus" to the purpose of this site.  I agree with both of
you
>that one has to do what they have to do.  If you re-read my posting, you
>will see that it acknowledges the need for those with health problems to do
>what needs to be done.  And, as you mentioned, I will have my opinions
which
>I will share with others who have a like interest.  The discussion of
>moccasins seemed to get started in a direction where modern and
>comfort-oriented additions to period footwear seemed to be the sole
subject.
>I felt another opinion was needed so as not to give the impression that
>adhering to period practice is simply "not done".  In truth, it is "done"
>and for good reasons.  As this site is open to all, beginners and veterans,
>I didn't want newcomers starting out thinking that what we do requires no
>sacrifice to comfort.  Rain and snow falls down on our heads and the rocky
>trail rises up to meet our feet.  If you live and work in the paths of
those
>we emulate, it is the price you must pay.  The distance between text(what
>you read) and turf(what you experience) is vast.  Your knowledge is the
>richer if you are able to narrow that gap.  That is the essence of my
>"opinion".
>I meant no disrespect to those with other opinions and I hope, Ms.
Gottfred,
>you didn't read that into my posting, even if others did.
>
>Larry Huber
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 6:21 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners
>
>
>Amen, Angela
>Nothing loses the "essence" quite as much as having to stay home because
>walking in moccasins is impossible without the modifications you need.  You
>continue to do what you need to do and let the others have their opinions.
>It amazes me that people can't separate comfort from necessity.
>YMOS
>Lanney Ratcliff
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Sunday, April 27, 1980 10:03 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners
>
>
>> "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >>I've tried the double soles, the triple liners, the modern foam pads
>> and I found that it was like wearing a pair of shoes that looked like
>> moccasins.  It 'aint the same.  The essence is lost. <<
>>
>> Larry,
>> It's great that you can get out often enough that you can walk properly
in
>> the woods with your moccasins. It really does bring you closer to nature.
>I
>> had that skill once, but have lost it because I haven't been able to keep
>> in practice.
>>
>> I know that if I were to wear my moccasins with a single sole and a wool
>> liner, I would be experiencing pain & discomfort which the Natives & fur
>> traders did not. The extra layers on the bottom & inside of my moccasins
>> make up for the thin soles on my feet, my lack of skill in walking, and
>the
>> unhistoric surfaces at some of the events which I regularly attend. Also,
>I
>> can't keep afford to replace my mocs when the soles wear out quickly due
>to
>> being worn on pavement or sharp gravel for a week.
>>
>> There's still a world of difference between my moccasins + extra sole +
>Dr.
>> Scholl's liners and the Vibram-soled walking shoes I ordinarily wear.
>>
>> Your humble & obedient servant,
>> Angela Gottfred
>>
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:31:06 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Bill,
    Do you have and trouble with getting your dyers on in the mornings?  I
did several camps with a fellow who loved them. His only complaint was the
mornings.  He'd wear them all day and get them nice and moist.  Then he'd
leave 'em overnight out of the robes and they'd be as soft as a chunk of
granite by dawn.  I bought Arrow Mocs Voyager's Boots and had a similar
experience.

Larry Huber

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Cunningham <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs


> Thanks, Buck. Why not send that sketch along. I'm sure there are plenty
> who'd be interested. I never owned a pair of those. The ones I get are the
> ones that lace up the front and whose likeness can be found in old
paintings
> and even the occasional museum.  Hanson's books have near copies as well.
> They are brutes for taking punishment, are made by several companies
besides
> Dyers. And the truth is, I see many people wearing them - they just don't
> talk about them. I had a pair made by Carl Dyer's dad back when they were
> making them for LL Bean. But they finally wore out. Oh well. .  .
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
>
>
> >Bill Cunningham wrote:
> >
> >> Now I am going to 'fess up. I have a couple of pair of plains style
mocs
> I
> >> made. I've worn out a heap of them. But nowadays I usually stick a pair
> of
> >> them in my pack for use around camp. While doing research over the
years,
> >> especially in the southwest, I came to believe that the southwest Dyer
> moc
> >> (that's the one that laces up the front) is as close to what came out
of
> that
> >> area as most can get. There is more to it than that but I'm not listing
> it -
> >> much to long - Anyway, that's what I wear on the trail, afoot or
> horseback.
> >> They have never let me down, and that is one of my prime
> >> requisites..............
> >
> >Bill,
> >Charley  Hanson had a sketch of a French Marine moc in his office from a
> friend
> >that ran one of the Canadian museums (can't remember which one now),
anyway
> the
> >moc can be duplicated using one of Dyers old style tie behind mocs (one's
> like
> >we have all had). If you want I can send you a copy of that sketch for
the
> >Tomahawk & Long Rifle.
> >
> >What is needed to change from the Dyer pattern is to cut down that wide
> strap
> >that goes around the foot into a narrow one inch band that ties with just
a
> >couple of holes (leave your thong long enough to make a loop to hang them
> up),
> >this is a fast an easy modification to make a good pair of footwear more
> correct
> >for period use, not perfect but closer than in original form.
> >
> >The best part, like you say Dyer's are hard to beat when traveling or
just
> >working in and around camp, so why not make them fit the period. Showed
> Carl
> >Dyer at an event years ago - the sketch Hanson had and he went off the
deep
> end
> >about f.... up his mocs.
> >
> >Anymore on water trips (canoe, flat boat or bateau) I wear them in and
out
> of
> >the water, too much tin, metal and glass to take a chance of getting
cut -
> >aren't some camper's and boater's wonderful !
> >
> >Later
> >Buck Conner
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:28:09 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal

"Master Steve"

Well Steve, you wanted to associate with this group of scoundrels and now
you've walked into the thick of it. <G> I would have thought that after a
wet weekend camped with some on the Larson Arm you'd know better. How are
you going to extricate yourself now? <G> I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Julia" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal


> Honorable Master Steven,
>
> Be it know, that my dear departed husband, did  but  just last year,
> loose such a medal in the mighty rolling Columbia River.  He did lose
> it as he  slipped into the river and drown on a cold rainy Northwest
> day.  God rest his soul.
>
> Surly you would not deprive such a token of respect  from a grieving
> old widow woman.
> So,  hows about handing that there precious medal on over to me?
>
> Yours in the utmost respect,
> Maw Hawk
>
> >Ho the List
> >
> >....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace
Medal
> >exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The
medal
> >was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold,
only in
> >bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if
this is
> >true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801?
> >
> >It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell
the
> >story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River....
> >
> >Ymos,
> >Steve
> >
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:20:17 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Can't say as I do, anymore. I bought a pair of Dyer type mocs from a
Canadian company (through Otter) and they are of a softer material. I have
worn them considerably and have had no problem. With Dyer's I found that I
needed to skive the ankle areas or they rubbed me raw. And you are right
about them being stiff in the mornings. Terrible hard if you didn't wear
socks.
Bill
- -----Original Message-----
From: Larry Huber <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs


>Bill,
>    Do you have and trouble with getting your dyers on in the mornings?  I
>did several camps with a fellow who loved them. His only complaint was the
>mornings.  He'd wear them all day and get them nice and moist.  Then he'd
>leave 'em overnight out of the robes and they'd be as soft as a chunk of
>granite by dawn.  I bought Arrow Mocs Voyager's Boots and had a similar
>experience.
>
>Larry Huber
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Cunningham <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:34 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
>
>
>> Thanks, Buck. Why not send that sketch along. I'm sure there are plenty
>> who'd be interested. I never owned a pair of those. The ones I get are
the
>> ones that lace up the front and whose likeness can be found in old
>paintings
>> and even the occasional museum.  Hanson's books have near copies as well.
>> They are brutes for taking punishment, are made by several companies
>besides
>> Dyers. And the truth is, I see many people wearing them - they just don't
>> talk about them. I had a pair made by Carl Dyer's dad back when they were
>> making them for LL Bean. But they finally wore out. Oh well. .  .
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
>>
>>
>> >Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> >
>> >> Now I am going to 'fess up. I have a couple of pair of plains style
>mocs
>> I
>> >> made. I've worn out a heap of them. But nowadays I usually stick a
pair
>> of
>> >> them in my pack for use around camp. While doing research over the
>years,
>> >> especially in the southwest, I came to believe that the southwest Dyer
>> moc
>> >> (that's the one that laces up the front) is as close to what came out
>of
>> that
>> >> area as most can get. There is more to it than that but I'm not
listing
>> it -
>> >> much to long - Anyway, that's what I wear on the trail, afoot or
>> horseback.
>> >> They have never let me down, and that is one of my prime
>> >> requisites..............
>> >
>> >Bill,
>> >Charley  Hanson had a sketch of a French Marine moc in his office from a
>> friend
>> >that ran one of the Canadian museums (can't remember which one now),
>anyway
>> the
>> >moc can be duplicated using one of Dyers old style tie behind mocs
(one's
>> like
>> >we have all had). If you want I can send you a copy of that sketch for
>the
>> >Tomahawk & Long Rifle.
>> >
>> >What is needed to change from the Dyer pattern is to cut down that wide
>> strap
>> >that goes around the foot into a narrow one inch band that ties with
just
>a
>> >couple of holes (leave your thong long enough to make a loop to hang
them
>> up),
>> >this is a fast an easy modification to make a good pair of footwear more
>> correct
>> >for period use, not perfect but closer than in original form.
>> >
>> >The best part, like you say Dyer's are hard to beat when traveling or
>just
>> >working in and around camp, so why not make them fit the period. Showed
>> Carl
>> >Dyer at an event years ago - the sketch Hanson had and he went off the
>deep
>> end
>> >about f.... up his mocs.
>> >
>> >Anymore on water trips (canoe, flat boat or bateau) I wear them in and
>out
>> of
>> >the water, too much tin, metal and glass to take a chance of getting
>cut -
>> >aren't some camper's and boater's wonderful !
>> >
>> >Later
>> >Buck Conner
>> >
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:44:51 -0700
From: Julia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal

Greetings,  Captain Lahti',

Sir,  How your words do cut deeper than any  knife,  and knowing you
to be a master of words and  in command of the  utmost respect,  I do
then  bow to your wisdom and consider myself hereafter reduced to
that of being a  scoundrel.

In respect and humility,
The Widow Julia

>Well Steve, you wanted to associate with this group of scoundrels and now
>you've walked into the thick of it. <G> I would have thought that after a
>wet weekend camped with some on the Larson Arm you'd know better. How are
>you going to extricate yourself now? <G> I remain......
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Julia" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 6:10 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal
>
>
>  > Honorable Master Steven,
>  >
>  > Be it know, that my dear departed husband, did  but  just last year,
>  > loose such a medal in the mighty rolling Columbia River.  He did lose
>  > it as he  slipped into the river and drown on a cold rainy Northwest
>  > day.  God rest his soul.
>  >
>  > Surly you would not deprive such a token of respect  from a grieving
>  > old widow woman.
>  > So,  hows about handing that there precious medal on over to me?
>  >
>
>  > >Ho the List
>  > >
>  > >....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace
>Medal
>  > >exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The
>medal
>  > >was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold,
>only in
>  > >bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if
>this is
>  > >true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801?
>  > >
>  > >It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell
>the
>  > >story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River....
>  > >
>  > >Ymos,
>  > >Steve
>  > >
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:08:15 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal

The Widow Julia,

My dear lady, I am shamed with the knowledge that I have seemingly included
your Loveliness in any grouping of scoundrels. I would never knowingly place
a person of your obvious gentle nature in such company. Now this Steve
fellow, he is another story. A scoundrel in the making and should I find him
unencumbered with his entourage of fellow scoundrels, as I did this past
week camped out on "Hard Core Elitist Bastards' Estates" ( a Gated
Community), located on the south side of the Larson Arm, near but not quite
adequately separate from the "Regular Gathering At Frog Holler", and thus
totally outnumbered, I shall take the cane to him unmercifully and recover
your property postwith. I found him to be of spurious character and have
evidence to show my case.

It has been widely known that my good and honorable Camp Mate, one "Old
Blue", AKA. Tom Crooks and I have historically offered chocolate to any fair
maiden that would brave the icy depths to swim to our side. In years past we
have only had to give out small amounts of chocolate. This year as we spent
the sunny (quit abnormal for this location) day contemplating the fine
shooting we had done on the trail that morning, (I found myself modestly
accepting the first place prize for the Trade Gun Shoot and my erstwhile
companion equally found to his embarrassment that he had taken First in the
Rifle Shoot) our attention was drawn to a ruckus coming from the main camp
At Frog.

To our amazement and my dismay, we beheld two large "War Canoes" lashed
together and coming our way full of lovely women chanting, "Chocolate,
Chocolate, Chocolate", to the rhythm of their war clubs thumping on the
gunnels of the canoes. I hurriedly assembled my wholly inadequate supply of
Milk  Chocolate onto a plate and prepared to greet the approaching Lovely's.
Contrary to the rules, they all arrived dry<clothed, but  hungry for
Chocolate, which I alone was prepared to provide. I was able to extract a
hug from each one and perhaps a second squeeze from a couple before they
announced that next year they would expect the same along with Tea and
Crumpets. I got no help from the rest of the scoundrels camped with me other
than to see my brethren share in the warmth and beauty that shown from the
ladies unto their departure.

Other than drink our rum, burn our wood, eat our food and share in our good
fortune with the visiting ladies, this Steve fellow has only one quality. He
will pick up anything shinny and think it worth keeping. I propose he be
called "Magpie" for his propensity to go for the shinny objects. What say
the 'Body"?

As for me, Dear Lady, may I extend my most heart felt sympathy at your lose
and my affections to you in the most honorable way. To suggest that you or
any one of the fairer sex could be considered a scoundrel is cause to take
up the sword. My best wishes to you and your family. I remain.....

Most Affectionately
YMOS
Capt.



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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:44:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Irish mountain man novel

    I hope many readers will visit www.irishmountainman.com for the true
story of famous mountain man Robert Campbell: trusted friend of Jim Bridger,
Wm Sublette, and Jed Smith; blood brother to Insula of the Flathead tribe;
St. Louis millionaire; and confidant of three U.S. presidents.  I have just
published a novel based on his life.
    My goal was to present many years of research in a manner which will
appeal to general public.

Steve

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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:57:26 -0500
From: Victoria Pate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...

Mr. Funk,

John, Stichin' Scotsman, who is AMM, recently made me a pair of
 high top, side seam moccs.  I wore them to my first Rendezvous just
 a few weeks ago here in Texas.  I had some special needs beins
 I was a ballerina for twenty years and just about ruined my feet.
John did a wonderful job making the moccs around my requirements.
I know where my second pair of moccs will come from! John specializes
in custom  handsewn goods for the American Fur Trade Era, which includes
clothes for men and the ladies---all authentic.  He can
fabricate whatever you need.

http://www.stichinscotsman.com/

As we say here in Texas, I hope you give him a shout.
Texan


On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:42:24 -0700 "John C. Funk, Jr."
<[e-mail]> writes:
> Ole.....
> I'm looking for anyone that can fabricate a moc.  better than
> I...and that
> don't say much.  If there's a better (authentic) "mouse trap", I'll
> look at
> it (them).
> John Funk
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
>
>
> > John,
> > Hate to barge in on this thread, but I have heard that there is
> another
> > company making a mocasin like Dyer's? If someone knows who they
> are and
> how
> > to get a hold of them please post your info.
> > YMOS
> > Ole # 718
> > ----------
> > >From: manbear <[e-mail]>
> > >To: [e-mail]
> > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dyer web site...
> > >Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000, 10:17 AM
> > >
> >
> > >I just checked Dyer's ad in Smoke & Fire and didn't see one
> listed.
> > >
> > >Manbear
> > >
> > >"John C. Funk, Jr." wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anyone know if Dyer has a web site?
> > >> John Funk
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