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hist_text-digest       Sunday, December 12 1999       Volume 01 : Number 423



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá MtMan-List: 4th Grade Teachers? OT
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
-áááááá MtMan-List: Critter
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
-áááááá MtMan-List: An Invitation To Winter National Shoot 2000
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: brain tan...

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:06:51 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

Picture is way to dark to see it, can you lighten it up any?


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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 11:38 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: what it is?


>Ho the list,
>
>Here's a jpg of a critter we shot over by the Hanford Nuclear Research
Center
>with our flintlocks. Took several round balls to put em down and scare of
the
>herd he was runnin with. Not quite sure of what kind of varmit it is and
>would like to have em identified befor we roast a drumstick....
>      http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg
>
>YMOS.
>
>Steve
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:55:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

dam. you boys shot a tipi tripod. better cook it good so the legs soften up.
<ggggg>    Barm

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:58:36 -0500
From: "Frank V. Rago" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

I have imported the pic and been playing with it for the last ten minutes
changing colors, sizes and all kinds of neet stuff and I have come to the
conclusion that it resembles a rat or mouse that is hanging from a tripod.
Due to poor pic quality I can't be sure but I swear that it looks further
closer to the camera than (alot closer) than the guy or the jeep.  Could it
be that a rat or mouse was hung from a tripod then had its pic. taken to
encompass the images in the back.  It may just be a little old rodent or a
monster rodent.



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Subject: MtMan-List: what it is?


> Ho the list,
>
> Here's a jpg of a critter we shot over by the Hanford Nuclear Research
Center
> with our flintlocks. Took several round balls to put em down and scare of
the
> herd he was runnin with. Not quite sure of what kind of varmit it is and
> would like to have em identified befor we roast a drumstick....
>       http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg
>
> YMOS.
>
> Steve
>
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:33:45 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

The photo is pretty dark, but it looks like a Texas field mouse.
Lanney Ratcliff
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> Ho the list,
>=20
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Center=20
> with our flintlocks. Took several round balls to put em down and scare =
of the=20
> herd he was runnin with. Not quite sure of what kind of varmit it is =
and=20
> would like to have em identified befor we roast a drumstick....
>       http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg
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> YMOS.
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> Steve
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:42:49 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: 4th Grade Teachers? OT

Hello the list!

Is there any 4th grade teachers on the list? I'm interested in what the
curriculum is for the fur trade studies.
Please contact me off list! I'm thinking about biulding another Mt Man
webpage only targeted at the 4th graders for their studies.

Thanks,
Ron


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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:01:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

In a message dated 12/12/99 12:01:25 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<I have imported the pic and been playing with it for the last ten minutes

changing colors, sizes and all kinds of neet stuff and I have come to the

conclusion >>

Haaaaa...you boys know yer critters! It's actually a little pack rat we
trapped in the cabin, hung on about a 12" tripod, set on a snow covered table
to blend in with the back ground....infinity on the camera.....can ya tell we
spent a little too much time in the woods? <gggg> Sorry about it being so
dark...aol at it's best, the pic is better.

Ok...here another one that's about to rip my leg off...there's two traps
holdin em tho!
http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/wolverine.jpg

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:02:39 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info

Hi Mt. Men,
I'm thinking of picking up a black powder rifle but lost as to what to get.
I will be using it for hunting and I don't have a lot of money.
It has to be big enough for dear and for cheating,be able to have a scope
mounted for the long shots.
Any suggestions/prices expected to pay?
What about the package deals I see in catalogs?
Bob
Bordentown,NJ

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:16:51 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Critter

>
> --RON
>  After very close examination of the photograph, I
> conclude it to be a
> "Hanfordii rodentia  var. gigantus".
>  These seem to be very rare, in the class of the
> Jackalope.
>  The best way to cook it is hide hair guts and all,
> placed on a Bois D Arc
> board wrapped in fresh  Buffalo chips.
>  Bake in a bed of coals for one hour (or untill
> done)
>  Then you through away the meat, and eat the
> rest.(Board and all)
>  grn
>
> >
> >
> > --- Ron Chamberlain <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > From: "Ron Chamberlain" <[e-mail]>
> > > To: <[e-mail]>
> > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
> > > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:06:51 -0700
> > > Reply-to: [e-mail]
> > >
> > > Picture is way to dark to see it, can you
> lighten it
> > > up any?
> > >
> > >
> > > [e-mail]
> > >
> > > The Website your boss doesn't want you to know
> > > about!
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> > > To: [e-mail]
> > > <[e-mail]>
> > > Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 11:38 AM
> > > Subject: MtMan-List: what it is?
> > >
> > >
> > > >Ho the list,
> > > >
> > > >Here's a jpg of a critter we shot over by the
> > > Hanford Nuclear Research
> > > Center
> > > >with our flintlocks. Took several round balls
> to
> > > put em down and scare of
> > > the
> > > >herd he was runnin with. Not quite sure of what
> > > kind of varmit it is and
> > > >would like to have em identified befor we roast
> a
> > > drumstick....
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg
> > > >
> > > >YMOS.
> > > >
> > > >Steve
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the
> skyline.
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
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> in one place.
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>


=====
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Date: 12 Dec 1999 13:20:51 -0800
From: Buck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

On Sun, 12 December 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:

>
> The photo is pretty dark, but it looks like a Texas field mouse.
> Lanney Ratcliff
> >       http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg
> >

Lanney,
Are you sure it isn't Mr. Miles recovering from a hangover at one of your Texas events ???


Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:43:32 -0800
From: "Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info

scope?

ugh!


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>From: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
>Date: Sun, Dec 12, 1999, 1:02 PM
>

>Hi Mt. Men,
>I'm thinking of picking up a black powder rifle but lost as to what to get.
>I will be using it for hunting and I don't have a lot of money.
>It has to be big enough for dear and for cheating,be able to have a scope
>mounted for the long shots.
>Any suggestions/prices expected to pay?
>What about the package deals I see in catalogs?
>Bob
>Bordentown,NJ
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:07:47 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: MtMan-List: An Invitation To Winter National Shoot 2000

Thought I would post this reminder for everyone that the NMLRA is holding their 8
th. Annual Winter National Shoot in Phoenix Arizona, at the Ben Avery Shooting Fa
cility approximately 23 miles to the North of Downtown Phoenix.  Starting on Febr
uary 16, 2000, and Finishing on February 21, 2000.

Now a little news if you are not an NMLRA Member, but would like to come and Camp
 Primitive for a few days in the Sonora Desert among the Giant Saguaro Cactus, Sh
op on Trader Rows, Buy some Raffle Tickets, or just see what Winter National Shoo
t is all about.

If you are interested in coming to the event, and not participating in the NMLRA
Shooting Matches, you CAN STILL come to Ben Avery Shooting Facility, and Camp in
the Primitive Camp, as the property is under the control of the Arizona Game & Fi
sh Department.  The fees that are involved are very minimal.  It will cost you $4
.00 a day for each Primitive Camp Site no matter how many are stay in your Campsi
te (one tent per campsite).  So if you have a Large Tepee you can fill it with fr
iends each night, a Daily Camping Fee of $4.00 will be collected by Arizona Game
& Fish, also you will be required to pay a Range Usage Fee for each Campsite of $
4.00 every other day to use the Public Range at Ben Avery Shooting Facility.  Rea
son for the Range Fee is the Primitive Campground is open only to Registered Shoo
ters.  No reservation necessary as the Primitive Camp @ Ben Avery Shooting Facili
ty is very very large.

So the numbers work out like this, you and six friends come to the event, and Cam
p Primitive in one Campsite with one Tent.  You will pay a total of $32.00 if you
 stay the entire 6 days.

Also if you are not an NMLRA Member but are interested in participating in the NM
LRA Shooting Events, they have a NEW DEAL, where a Non Member can pay a $10.00 "E
vent Participation Fee", and participate in the Winter National Shooting Events,
buy paying all the other Normal Registration Fee, Match, or Aggregate fee etc.  B
asically you have some of the membership privileges, that allow you to compete in
 an NMLRA event without have to buy a full $35.00 Annual NMLRA Membership.

Also there are not GATE Fees at the Ben Avery Shooting Facility, so if you live c
lose enough to drive out for the day, and only want to look around, and do some s
hopping on Trader Row.  You will not have to pay a Gate, or Parking Fee.

If anyone need any more information about this posting or the NMLRA Winter Nation
als, send me an e-mail on this mailing list, or check my Message Forum listed bel
ow.

Hope to meet some of you @ Winter National Shoot 2000,  as I should be their with
 the Guy in the Skies help.

Penny Pincher-NMLRA Field Representative in the West
Don't Forget The NMLRA Winter National Shoot
Phoenix Arizona-February 16-21, 2000
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb750171

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:51:40 -0600
From: "John McKee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info

Bob, before you jump in, find the local Blackpowder club and go watch and
listen. There is usually someone around with a gun to sell. Don't start
throwing your money around until you see what's being shot and what
information can be learned. If you HAVE to have a gun RIGHT NOW then I would
get a Thompson Center rifle. There are many cals. and types but TC is
American made and guaranteed for life. Personally, find the club first! Hope
this helps some. Long John
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Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 3:02 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info


> Hi Mt. Men,
> I'm thinking of picking up a black powder rifle but lost as to what to
get.
> I will be using it for hunting and I don't have a lot of money.
> It has to be big enough for dear and for cheating,be able to have a scope
> mounted for the long shots.
> Any suggestions/prices expected to pay?
> What about the package deals I see in catalogs?
> Bob
> Bordentown,NJ
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:25:40 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

Excuse me, Mr. Conner... I have found that if one never entirely sobers up, one NE'ER gets
hungover.
D

Buck wrote:

> Are you sure it isn't Mr. Miles recovering from a hangover at one of your Texas events ???
>

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:20:06 -0800
From: Walter Harper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info

Go get you a thompson Center Hawkins  50 cal. cap lock.   It is probable
the best way to go.   If you can find one in the pawn shops for less
then $150.00 you are in the hunt.  With a 50 you can hunt anything but
birds unless you get to be a real good shot, Rabbits to white tails.  I
have pack one around for a while.  not bad.  The only thing to make it
really period is get rid of the adjustalble site on the back and make
sure it does not have a coil spring for fire mech.  needs to be a flat
spring...

Then all you need is 70 grans of ffg and a patch and a round ball and a
cap.   wait till the smoke clears.....

3-strings

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi Mt. Men,
> I'm thinking of picking up a black powder rifle but lost as to what to get.
> I will be using it for hunting and I don't have a lot of money.
> It has to be big enough for dear and for cheating,be able to have a scope
> mounted for the long shots.
> Any suggestions/prices expected to pay?
> What about the package deals I see in catalogs?
> Bob
> Bordentown,NJ
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:22:31 -0800
From: Walter Harper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info

no scope, no scope.  In washington it is against the law for a scope.
with a black powder if you need a scope to see something to shot then it
is far away or you are blind and don't need to hunt....

3strings

Hill wrote:
>
> scope?
>
> ugh!
>
> ----------
> >From: [e-mail]
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
> >Date: Sun, Dec 12, 1999, 1:02 PM
> >
>
> >Hi Mt. Men,
> >I'm thinking of picking up a black powder rifle but lost as to what to get.
> >I will be using it for hunting and I don't have a lot of money.
> >It has to be big enough for dear and for cheating,be able to have a scope
> >mounted for the long shots.
> >Any suggestions/prices expected to pay?
> >What about the package deals I see in catalogs?
> >Bob
> >Bordentown,NJ
> >
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Date: 12 Dec 99 19:53:01 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

         Reply to:   Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
Can't believe you would admit to a runt mouse like that being from Texas

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

Buck wrote:
>On Sun, 12 December 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:
>
>> =
>> The photo is pretty dark, but it looks like a Texas field mouse.
>> Lanney Ratcliff
>> >       http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg
>> > =
>
>Lanney,
>Are you sure it isn't Mr. Miles recovering from a hangover at one of your =
>Texas events ???
>
>
>Later,
>Buck Conner
>_________________________________
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:09:21 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

should have said...."newborn" Texas field mouse.
I do admire the amount of effort put forth for such a prank photo.  I =
have been guilty of much worse...oh, Lord, way worse.  I think that the =
time used for such things is not charged against a person's life span.  =
It just goes to show that my wife is right.....that the main difference =
between most of us and a pack of Cub Scouts is the lack of responsible =
adult supervision.
Lanney Ratcliff



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From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
To: hist_text <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?


         Reply to:   Re: MtMan-List: what it is?
Can't believe you would admit to a runt mouse like that being from Texas

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

Buck wrote:
>On Sun, 12 December 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:
>
>> >> The photo is pretty dark, but it looks like a Texas field mouse.
>> Lanney Ratcliff
>> >       http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg
>> > >
>Lanney,
>Are you sure it isn't Mr. Miles recovering from a hangover at one of =
your >Texas events ???
>
>
>Later,
>Buck Conner
>_________________________________
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:16:50 -0800
From: "Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info

Here's what you need:  follow the previous advice to go to a club and get
some help with your choice.  Thompson's are ok starters but don't buy the
first one you see.  My club taught me more in one afternoon of shooting than
I learned on my own in 2 years of shooting alone!

I still say:

Scope?

ugh!

What would you want one of them shiny things for anyway?

Hill

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>From: Walter Harper <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
>Date: Sun, Dec 12, 1999, 6:22 PM
>

>no scope, no scope.  In washington it is against the law for a scope.
>with a black powder if you need a scope to see something to shot then it
>is far away or you are blind and don't need to hunt....
>
>3strings
>
>Hill wrote:
>>
>> scope?
>>
>> ugh!
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: [e-mail]
>> >To: [e-mail]
>> >Subject: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info
>> >Date: Sun, Dec 12, 1999, 1:02 PM
>> >
>>
>> >Hi Mt. Men,
>> >I'm thinking of picking up a black powder rifle but lost as to what to get.
>> >I will be using it for hunting and I don't have a lot of money.
>> >It has to be big enough for dear and for cheating,be able to have a scope
>> >mounted for the long shots.
>> >Any suggestions/prices expected to pay?
>> >What about the package deals I see in catalogs?
>> >Bob
>> >Bordentown,NJ
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:27:37 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

Lanney,
 I have heard that many a time.. Fer some reason..<G> Usually after a week with Brothers...
D

Ratcliff wrote:
...that the main difference between most of us and a pack of Cub Scouts is the lack of responsible adult supervision.


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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:48:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what it is?

In a message dated 12/12/99 7:04:17 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<I do admire the amount of effort put forth for such a prank photo.  I have
been guilty of much worse...oh, Lord, way worse. >>

Haaaaa.... Thanks for the kind words Lanney. With the right amount of
whiskey, and companions...a guy can get creative! We laughed like fools....
Steve

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:52:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need black powder rifle info

In a message dated 12/12/99 6:50:38 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<<
 Bob, before you jump in, find the local Blackpowder club and go watch and
 listen. There is usually someone around with a gun to sell. Don't start
 throwing your money around until you see what's being shot and what
 information can be learned. If you HAVE to have a gun RIGHT NOW then I would
 get a Thompson Center rifle. There are many cals. and types but TC is
 American made and guaranteed for life. Personally, find the club first! Hope
 this helps some. Long John >>

Thanks John,
Thats just the type i'm looking for.
However I need to update my address on my ID card and in NJ that takes time.
This will give me a chance to look around.
The TC sounds like one that I can't afford but I understand that there are
others that are center fire.
=============================================================
I think I found this list via a web site.
If there is one can you send me the URL.
Again,
Thanks John and the others who took the time to write.
Bob
Bordentown,NJ

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:58:02 +0000
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: brain tan...

[e-mail] wrote:
 I
> can get commercial brain tanned buckskins at about half the price of "hand
> tanned" and smoke em my own self... I'm wonderin if this is a good idea or
> should I bite the bullet and hold out for the "real thing"...

Steve,

Bite the bullet. I'm not sure what "commercial Brain Tan" is but brain
tan is brain tan and it comes smoked or I would suspect it is not brain
tan but a facsimily and as you have been advised, there is no substitute
that will have the same properties. Actually, smoking the hides after
they have been "brain tanned" is the easy part, so I wonder if what you
are seeing advertised is actually the real thing. The real thing is
truly wonderful stuff. It is not difficult to make but is labor
intensive. You can do it outside and smoke it in your lodge if you want
to hide that from the neighbors. Wait for the real thing. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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