Subject: Re: MtMan-List: C&SM new catalog of period stuff
On Wed, 27 October 1999, ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I see that the new catalog is now available and that a few of the members
> > from the history_list have comments on food in it,
> > http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
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> I didn't see the millet meal listed that he used to carry. IMO, it made some
> of the best girddlecakes I have eaten. Meal + water (egg optional) fry in
> bacon or pork grease.
>
> The barley flour is excellent for a heavy trail bread.
> 2 cups barley flour
> 1 can of your favorite ale
> 2 tablespoons of sugar.
>
> It can be baked in a dutch oven, in a skillet, or on a hot rock. Takes about
> a 1/2 hour and you have to flip it when not using a dutch oven.
>
> Good eats
> Dave Kanger
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Dave,
We dropped the millet meal from the price list because only a few would try it no matter what you and a few others would write about this item.
Only the die-hards would venture away from the old stand-byes like corn and oat meal, when the millet and barley meals where probably more acturate for their persona's. I still sell it but just took it off the price list, if you think I should - still show it we can change the new sheets - that's no big deal.
We have found the same with the blue corn meal and blue parched corn, an item that's like pumpkin coming from Mexico and traded on all the major trade routes from the west to the Mississippi, yet many still go with the eastern corns like Flint.
I wonder if we as a people of the 21st century have been spoiled, style of living conditions, taste buds, etc., the reason is because many are really put-out when asked to wear this, sleep here, or eat that, when period correct. Many reenacters, history buffs, rendezvousers or whatever the name they use, spend thousands of dollars on clothing, weapons and equipage, then turn around and eat modern or junk food when in camp!!!! They have made these purchases in trying to be correct and experience life in a given time period, then miss out on the total experience because of their edibles, that's sad.
Some of the old timers like yourself, Mike Rock, John Kramer, Hawk Pierce, Dennis Miles, the Capt. and please forgive me for not mentioning everyone have talked until blue in the face about experience the total period, everything - but we as a whole tend to slide by on the stuff that's the cheapest and easiest part to experience the DAMN FOOD.
This has always been the big thing we've stressed when traveling by horse, foot or water vessel, I don't know why but there's always someone taking short cuts in this area.
We where on a 10 day canoe trip from Bonnet's Mill MO to Ft. deChartre ILL, have known this one individual for 10 years, pretty good reenacter, felt we needed to watch a few new guys. About 10/11 one night, everyone is sleeping on this sandy beach, I get up to check camp and happen to walk by this individual and hear this crackling sound under his blankets. I stopped pulled back the top cover and here he is eating a "cup cake" - Mr."I Do It Right", last time he was invited.
Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: 27 Oct 99 12:15:45 EDT
From: Concho Smith <conchosmith@netscape.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: C&SM new catalog of period stuff
Hey,
I see that the new catalog is now available and that a few of the members=
from
the history_list have comments on food in it, just used the order form on=
line
for my copy.
=46rom what I can tell looking at the cover, neat river picture. =
> Don't encourage these two, it's good that Pablo and Concho live at
different ends of the country, with D. Miles in the middle, together with
these three there would be a lot of renaming I'm afraid.
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:31:03 EDT
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pumpkins
In a message dated 10/27/99 3:24:47 AM !!!First Boot!!!, lahtirog@gte.net
writes:
<< She talked of making lye from corn ashes. That was used
to season and help the corn cook. >>
Hmmmm! Did they make hominy with these ingredients?
NM
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:25:32 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centuryinter.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: pasta
Many sources credit Marco Polo for bringing pasta back from China about
year 1280. However, a number of sources mention existence of pasta products
in Europe long before then and there are references to pasta in the Middle
East as early as 300 B.C.
Methinks that many people figured out that adding water to flour made a
paste that could be rolled, flattened, dried and later cooked.
Gotta be "correct" for our period. How common is probably going to be
unknown forever.
Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:57:39 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fur trade movies
Answering several posts at once. I'm on digest, you know
> Wes Housler in Cloudcrift NM has put out two fur trade videos. He also
>sells correct double blankets and does some very good brain tanning- even
>buffalo robes! Address is:
>22 Bell Canyon Rd, Cloudcroft, NM 88317. (The last is the better of the two.
>It deals with horse gear and good advise when on the trail)
Wes does pretty good buffalo robes. The tape he and Jeff did was prety
good. I have the book, but not the tape.
>>The primary outfits were great, better then the
>> PBS documentary.
What PBS documentary? Do you mean the History Channel one that I was in?
>> I have always liked "Black Robe", not really fur trade per say, but well
>done and can be rented at most video stores.
>>
>> Of course there's "Centennial" TV series, "The Mountainmen", and the
>series that Wes & Jeff have done on horse travel that's advertised in
>Muzzleloader and On The Trail.
>>
>> What about the "Lewis & Clark" series that PBS had, along with several
>other series they had on Jefferson and a few others that had input into the
>fur trade.
>>
>> The Bent's Fort movie is interesting and available from that location
Thew Bent's Fort film was done back in the 70s and had Royal Dano as
narrator. It was called "Castle on the Plains." They sell it as a double
set with another one on the same tape called "They Came to Build" about how
the fort was reconstructed, which I find the most informative of the two.
It had a different narrator. A bit hokey and dated, with some errors;
trapper with a Henry Rifle. I never heard of trappers calling it "Bent's
Big Lodge," but I could be wrong.
>The mini-series on Fremont (starring tall, blond Richard Chamberlin as
>short, dark John Fremont)
Ah, "Dream West." Where do we begin. Let's see.
Chamberlain was about 20 years too old to play Fremont.
That exchange between he and Kearney about Fremont not being a West point
graduate was funny to, considering that Kearney didn't attend the Point
either. A little oversight on the part of the screen writer.
Chamberlain was much better as Alexander McKeag in "Centennial" than as
Fremont in Dream West."
>was a total disaster: got routes wrong, places
>visited on first three expeditions out of sequence, etc. I knew it was in
>trouble 20 minutes into the first evening when Fremont and his mentor
>Nicollet are in camp on the upper Mississippi--with the Tetons in the
>background of the scene!
That's what I thought. Fort Snelling by nightfall?? I don't think so.
Also, when was the last time you saw mountains at Westport, MO??
How about Fremont running buffalo with a Colt Paterson? Not bloody likely.
Look close in the buffalo chase scene and you'll see the helicopter.
There was no real rift between Fremont and Senator Benton over the
marriage. I don't know where that came from. He supported his son in law
right from the start.
They "forgot" to mention that Jacob Dodson, the Senator's black manservant,
actually participated in three of the expeditions. He wasn't just a
butler. He was a real frontiersman and a crack shot. He fought in the
California Bear Flag Revolt in 1846.
The tailored buckskins Chamberlain wore were a scream; and everyone wore
boots. Who's outfitting this guy? Rip Torn's had cowboy heels.
Did anyone notice the price tag stuck to the bottom of the tin cup Ben
Johnson (as Jim Bridger) drank from?
I thought Rip Torn made a pretty good Carson. He was a bit too old (Carson
was still in his 30s), but I think the characterization was just about
right. Same as with Anthony Zerbe as ol' Bill Williams. The
characterization was pretty accurate. Zerbe played it pretty well. The
actor playing Charles Preuss the cartographer, did a credible job. By all
accounts, including his own diary, Preuss complained the whole way. He was
not suited for the trip, although he may have been highly recommended as a
map maker.
The movie got such awful reviews that the network only showed it once
(though it's been on cable once or twice). I have to admit that I have it
on tape, because I taped it when it was first shown back in 1986. I
remember that one episode was delayed because of the US bombing raid into
Libya.
I can go on and on about Dream West. I keep it because it has its moments,
but mostly because it shows just how bad a western miniseries can be.
"Centennial," on the other hand, was a much better production. It by far
had the best rendezvous scenes in any fur trade movie. Better than
"Mountain Men," I thought. On the whole, Centennial best captured the role
of the trapper, trader, and the investor. That was a very good treatment
of the fur trade. Notice that both Fremont and Centennial used Bent's Fort
as a set? In Dream West, it was Sutters Fort. In Centennial (Part 3) it
was Fort St. John, McKeag's trading post. Centennial has been my favorite
made for TV movie since it first aired in 1978.
I have the Lewis and Clark and the Jefferson videos. I recommend both.
One of Burns' earliest films was one about the Shakers. It's called "Hands
to Work, Hearts to God" or something like that. It was pretty good, and
you can see his style beginning to develop.
Well, that's all for now. Gotta get home to watch the Yankees sweep the
Series.
HBC
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:58:55 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hammer ?
Hey folks,
I have a friend who is putting together a complete set of period horse
gear. He is really working hard to get everything right for the Fur Trade
Era. He has a question. What would a period hammer that would be used to
repair harness, saddles, pack saddles, and such look like ? I assume a
cobbler's hammer of the period would have been used to reset rivets, but I
don't know exactly what one would look like. I have no clue. Can anyone
help ?
Pendleton
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:41:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Hacksaw? [sorta off topic]
Japan 8th-10th century A.D.
www1.sphere.ne.jp/tknk-me/B-2e.htm
(scroll down a little - photo is on right side)
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Date: 27 Oct 1999 18:46:53 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur trade movies
> "Centennial," on the other hand, was a much better production. It by far had the best rendezvous scenes in any fur trade movie.
> Better than "Mountain Men," I thought. On the whole, Centennial best captured the role of the trapper, trader, and the investor. That was a very good treatment of the fur trade. Notice that both Fremont and Centennial used Bent's Fort as a set? In Dream West, it was Sutters Fort. In Centennial (Part 3) it was Fort St. John, McKeag's trading post. Centennial been my favorite made for TV movie since it first aired in 1978.
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Henry,
Having been in both Centennial and Mountain Men as a background actor in the rendezvous parts. The Mountain Men had the better props and more of them, but I to like Centennial the best, probably because the horse stealing part in Part 2 and a few shot in Part 3 where done on our place in Masonville CO.
If you look at the horses real close Henry, you will notice there's quite a variety of breeds, even makeup on them sure chances their appearance, but the shape of heads, ears, etc. stay the same.
Fun experience playing with these people and others in several other movies, Turtle and Concho even behaved to a point, well almost.
Later,
Buck Conner
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