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Date: 26 Oct 1999 07:40:07 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: animal parts
On Tue, 26 October 1999, "Frank Fusco" wrote:
> With all the confusion regarding the ownership of endangered animal parts, I have often wondered where one can get reliable information on what is legal and what is not.
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This is a very serious problem that can get all of us in trouble.
The wife got tired of my old black bear collection of mounted heads and skulls (15), the memories are fading of their taking, now older feeling quilty of the hunts (told this is a natural process), several friends showed interest in trading/buying them. That's where the problem came in as they where taken in New York and Pennsylvania in the 40's, 50's and 60's (all skulls had the state lead or metal tags with # number of legal lic.), mounted heads had lic.tag on back of mounting plate.
Seemed legal to us, made the mistake of asking a friend's kid thats a Colorado Fish & Game officer about selling these heads. I could trade or give them away, but couldn't sell them - the state considers this selling as making a profit on game animals, damn near like selling game meat. So to keep it legal we traded, then the traded items where bought back with cash.
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> For instance, there is a store not far from my home that sells Alaskan crafts. Some of these items are made from whale bone and whale baleen that were taken, legally, by native Alaskans. They also sell teeth ..............
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I have a collection that's been handed down through the family of Alaskan items like ivory, whale teeth, tusks, furs, etc. that could be under this problem, just because it's old or appears to be, doesn't mean anything to these agencies. You had better have proof with letters, pictures, etc.
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> I have heard that the simple of act of wearing a part of a black bear, such as a claw necklace can get on arrested in Kentucky even though the animal is not considered endangered.................
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I have an old Indian War period black bear claw necklace that I use to wear and have put it away rather than have some "newbee" officer want to take it. Then have to go through all the baloney of getting it back, if it was possible to get it back.
Have a friend that had a legal eagle feather with papers that was taken a few years back by some F&G officers and never gotten back after several years of the legal process (he is well to-do and tried to make an issue of it - where the average person would just give up, bottom line he got no where either).
This can effect reenacters, collectors, small museums (I'm told), etc., who knows where it will stop when there's money to be made in fines, etc.
Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:10:45 -0500
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Rendezvous tape
How long is the tape and what is the cost? Are there any other Fur Trade
era video tapes out there? There's gotta be.
HBC
>
>> I just watched "The spirit of Rendezvous" Produced by Reel West
>> Pictures. After being away from the Rendezvous for about 4 years. My
>> entire family is excited to to go again, minus the trade tent. If you
>> want a very well produced video that is a treat to watch, buy this.
>> You want to show the relatives just what the heck you do for fun,
>> show them this video. Besides some lengthy portions of certain
>> scenes, I thought it was quite good and entertaining. All the
>> characters did well. The primary outfits were great, better then the
>> PBS documentary. Overall, you will have fun recognizing your friends,
>> the music, the atmosphere, the spirit of Rendezvous. A great gift I
>> think.
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Date: 26 Oct 1999 08:45:43 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Movies
How long is the tape and what is the cost? Are there any other Fur Trade era video tapes out there? There's gotta be.
HBC
> I just watched "The spirit of Rendezvous" Produced by Reel West Pictures.
> Call or write to:
> Leo Hakola
> Box 7
> La Barge, WY 83123
> 307-386-9216
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Henry,
Doc Ivory gave the price once, but can't remember what is was now, guess call Leo Hakola for cost and shipping charges.
I have always liked "Black Robe", not really fur trade per say, but well done and can be rented at most video stores.
Of course there's "Centennial" TV series, "The Mountainmen", and the series that Wes & Jeff have done on horse travel that's advertised in Muzzleloader and On The Trail.
What about the "Lewis & Clark" series that PBS had, along with several other series they had on Jefferson and a few others that had input into the fur trade.
The Bent's Fort movie is interesting and available from that location, check with the US Park Service as to what other loactions have been filmed. Saw one on Fort Union and can remember who produced it.
Will have to look tonight at home library and see what else there is.
Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:23:33 -0500
From: "S.M.Despain-1" <sdespain@ou.edu>
Subject: MtMan-List: documentaries
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Hi everyone, this is Matt Despain again, the one who put out the survey
a few weeks ago. Is anyone interested in my findings? If so I could
post them here. Thanks again for everyone who pitched in.
On another note, I have seen references to some documentaries about
rendezvous/buckskinning/living history. The only one I have is Legacy
of the Mountain Man done back in 1980. But there seem to be others.
Would anyone be willing to give me references on these other films and
if tell me if there are any ways of getting copies. This is all part of
my ongoing research for the dissertation and I think these would be
great material I my attempts to show how pervasive the mountain man's
image has been in American history and culture.
Thanks again to everyone who has helped so far.
Matt DeSpain
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Hi everyone, this is Matt Despain again, the one who put out the
survey a few weeks ago. Is anyone interested in my findings? If so
I could post them here. Thanks again for everyone who pitched in.
<p>On another note, I have seen references to some documentaries about
rendezvous/buckskinning/living history. The only one I have is <i>Legacy
of the Mountain Man</i> done back in 1980. But there seem to be others.
Would anyone be willing to give me references on these other films and
if tell me if there are any ways of getting copies. This is all part
of my ongoing research for the dissertation and I think these would be
great material I my attempts to show how pervasive the mountain man's image
has been in American history and culture.
<p>Thanks again to everyone who has helped so far.
<p>Matt DeSpain</html>
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