<DIV><FONT size=3D4> All this talk about possible =
lead poising=20
is timely. The "anti gun" crowd is currently making a big push =
to limit=20
use of lead based projectiles in ammunition. We may soon see all =
kinds=20
of prohibitions against the use of lead based ammunition in so many =
areas that=20
our shooting rights could be seriously limited.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D5> Yes, we must all be aware of =
the dangers=20
of handling lead, just as with anything that could be harmful if=20
misused.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D6> I believe we should be =
emphasizing safe=20
handling procedures. For my part, I only cast in well ventilated =
areas,=20
am very careful not to put my hands to my mouth or face while handling =
lead=20
and wash my hands well when finished with any project involving =
handling=20
lead.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> I believe it is on topic to say that we should =
all be=20
diligent in our lobbying efforts to protect our shooting rights or =
else this=20
list could one day be talking about what it WAS like when we could =
actually=20
use our muzzle loading guns.</DIV>
<DIV>Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home,=20
Arkansas</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: 7 Oct 1999 07:31:49 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pinking shears
> "pinking" cuts on alot of things, including a the edge of a old powder horn I have. I think Tom Tobins' coat might have some of that on it..................
"pinking" or "sawtooth cuts", believe that was just explained earlier. Yes I have seen Tom Tobin's coat and Kit Carson's coat, from the workmanship, style, etc. - Hanson and yours truly really think they where both made by the same person or persons. The sewing, tanning, and blanket are both alike, but back to the original question. The "sawtooth cuts" where done with a pair of scissors or sharp knife, not "pinking shears", the reason is if looking at the length of cut, angle and size of each "pinking", they are close to the same size, but vary just a little.
Charley felt a pattern was held on the leather, then cut with regular scissors or a knife, the material would shift one way or the other ("grow" a term that was used in the leather workers industry, where depending on the texture, thickness, etc. - the leather would change the size of a pattern produced when using this cutting method). The modern "pinking shear" changed that, thus having more correct to size patterns, hope this makes sense.
Take some old scraps in different textures and thickness and try it, you'll see what I'm saying, not much difference, but different in size when compared to a sample cut with a "pinking shear". Plus one other important thing is when looking at the inner point of the cut material you could see on several that the cut when into the main body - further or past the other side of the "V", showing it was cut singlely.
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Date: 7 Oct 1999 08:43:55 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pinking shears
> "southwestern" in style, with inset wool diamonds along with the pinked
> edges. I'm not sure if this is the "Tom Tobin" jacket, but if so.................
Not Tobin's coat, it is still in the care of his family as of three years ago. Several of us found the coat on display twenty plus years ago in Durango CO, called Hansen about it. The following year drove Charley from Loveland CO to Durango to visit with Tom Tobin's grandson (passed on a year or two later), he worked at the small museum where the coat was displayed. Charley talked until blue in the face trying to get it for the Fur Trade Museum. never got the job done.
OFF TOPIC
Kit Carson and Tom Tobin's kids where married, some have written that Carson and Tobin where cousins. I for one had read this and took it as true, now doing an article for the T&LR and Baker web site about Tobin and his adventures, have collected a pile of information from newspaper articles, have found not related at all, just the link with their children.
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:29:00 -0500
From: "Texan" <texan@cowtown.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OT Health Issues W/Metals]
A quick note:
To answer the question that I have been getting
off list: Yes, there are ways to pull lead out of the
body. Back in the "olden" days, the only way the doctors
knew how to pull lead out was to hook a person up to
an IV and run a solution through the blood. It was expensive
and could only be done at a doctor's office or hospital.
Now research has shown how to do it through diet and
very specific supplements. I'll be getting into that in detail
in the future data sheets.
Help: I'm wanting to locate a muzzle loader who has a background
in inorganic chemistry for the lead research project.
Can you guys help me out? Contact me off list
at vapate@juno.com.
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:03:36 -0600
From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: screening for metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC]
I went surfing & found some info on this subject which may be of interest to
list members:
Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on Lead Metal
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/l2347.htm
MSDS on Copper
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/c5170.htm
MSDS on Tin
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/t3445.htm
MSDS on Mercury
http://siri.uvm.edu/msds/h/q139/q171.html
With all due respect to Victoria, and her sincere offer of help, there are
some differing perspective on the medical value of hair analysis.
Hair analysis in clinical and experimental medicine. (synopsis only)
I've been offline for a few days, and contemplating my navel for a few
more. I've been trying to come up with the proper words for this
post, and still don't have them. So here's my best shot.
I want to offer Buck and the rest of the list my humblest apologies
for my previous post. I have absolutely no words to offer in excuse.
There is no excuse for such behaviour. I cannot describe the shame
and remorse I feel at this moment.
There's a few folks on this list I've known for some time. I don't
think any of them have ever seen me angry, because I try very hard to
control my emotions. I've never in my life before been a raving
maniac. But I sure was this time, and I don't know why. I totally
lost control. Nothing Buck said deserved it.
Buck, I truly hope you can find it in yourself to forgive my mean
spirited words. =20
Best of luck to you all. =20
Roy
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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:18:42 -0400
From: "Laura Glise" <lglise@bellsouth.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Osborne Russell's Death 1892 or 1865?
5:00 p.m. PST
I was talking to Lanney this week about where Osborne Russell is buried. Many of you may remember that he died in a county hospital in Placerville, CA and was buried in a common, unmarked grave. Lanney asked me how old he was when he died and I said 51.
I went back and looked at Aubrey Haines, Editor, introduction in Journal of a Trapper and Haines says that Russell died in Placerville but died in 1892 citing a death notice that appeared in the Placerville Mountain Democrat in September, 1892:
Death Notice: at the County Hospital, August 26, 1892, Osborn Russel (Judge), a native of Maine, aged 78 years.
I started wondering where I got my date and when I consulted my research I found I had gotten the 1865 date from the Dictionary of American Biography. Thinking that Haines would not have made such a mistake, I went to the library today and found a second source confirming the 1865 date, The American Biographical Dictionary, Historical Volume.
Has any one noticed this before? If you have other references available will you check and see which date you find and post me at Wind1838@aol.com.
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: amounts of food needed (while in camp).
5:30 p.m. PST
I really liked Buck's post on measuring rations and the items and quantities he takes when he gets on the ground. This summer I found a small catalog by Blue Heron Mercantile Leatherstocking Supply BluHeron48@aol.com.
Their daily rations are taken from the French and Indian War period but they are similar:
Cornmeal or oats 2 handfuls
Peas or beans 2 handfuls
Parched corn 2 handfuls
Dried meat 3-6 pieces (venison, beef, fish)
Dried fruit 1-2 handfuls (apples, peaches, raisins, pumpkin or combination)
Small red potatoes 2-3 each
Small onions 1 each
Maple or muscavado sugar 1-2 Tb
Salt 1/2 t
Peppercorns 4-10 each
Coffee 1-2 handfuls
(Alternate) Chocolate 1/2 - 1 full cake or tea 1-2 Tb.
The company is owned by Jim and Christine Jacobs. Their small catalog is available at no charge by request.
At 30 Sep 1999 10:49:16 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Wed, 29 September 1999, R Lahti wrote:
>
>>
>> > Cap,
>> > I usually figure a cupped hand-full of:
>> >
>> > corn meal (per person)mixed with Hanava sugar,
>> > wild rice (same measurement per person),
>> > barley-pearled (same measurement per person),
>> > split peas (same measurement per person),
>> > fruit [dried apples or peaches](same measurement per person),
>> > dried meat strips broken into 3" pieces (same measurement per person),
>> > parched corn w/local nuts (same measurement per person),
>> > tea (same measurement per person, lasts for 3-4 days) a little on the weak side last day.
>> > _____________________________
>> >
>> > This has worked for a 5 day outing, moving around camp, scouting, etc. but only lasts about 3 hard days of paddling (hard work will use up your supplies very fast).
>> > _____________________________
>>
>> Buck,
>>
>> That's a bit more varied a list of ingredients that I or my fellows
>> carry. Might we impose on you as to how you utilize those items in meals
>> over the course of a weekend or week's period of time, as in recipe's
>> and for which meals and how many meals, etc.? I remain..
>>
>> YMOS
>> Capt. Lahti'
>______________________________________________
>Cap.,
>
>Lets start with the measurement for a "cupped hand-full"
> = ( 1) measuring cup.
>
>This doesn't sound like much, I agree, but remember most dried edibles do swell when water is added. Rice, barley and peas will double in size or amount prepared.
>
>Most of us (not all) can go with less food from a few days to several weeks without any problem - doctors will tell you that the amount we eat regularly is a mind-set in most cases, we can do with less and would probably do better weight and health wise anyway.
>
>We try to eat two small regular meals daily, gathering or foraging for edibles in our short trips around camp when scouting game or looking at the area. When you get in a mind-set of watching for edibles as you make your scouts, it's surprising what you find, even if not hunting for squirrel, rabbits or flying foul. Wild edibles are everwhere it's just the problem of figuring out what your looking at.
>Working around water is always a good place for small plants that are edible, as well as the little crawl fish, fish and small animals getting a drink. I think you are getting the idea or already do this in your normal outing experiences.
>
>I have a good friend that I wrote an article about a few years ago in the T&LR journal Dr. Jerry LaVelle, he's an expert at foraged edibles in the Rockies, takes a small frying pan, buffalo grease, period fishing kit and he's off for the weekend. His wife gets a little rattled about his limited resources, but he uses what is available at hand, cat-tail flour for bread (bannock), has different plant leaves for a salad and so on, she's good for about two weekends like this a year. But it can be done, so she goes to prove that she's a tough as he is !!!! I wish I had the mind-set, the ability or guts to believe enough in myself to do this as much as he has.
>
>Morning meal:
>corn meal w/Havana Brown sugar,(Havana Brown is an old sugar [less costly than white sugar in the colonial days] have switch to blue corn - better taste) 1/2 cup per person with water, a few small pieces of fruit and small amount of tea (save the tea leaves), (forgot to put down two hand-fulls of corn flour last night), use a 1/2 cup per person of flour to make "bannock" bread (will produce a loaf per say the size of a regular hot dog). Surprisingly this will satisfy you, no matter what your brain says.
>
>Aftrenoon snack:
>some parched corn, a little fruit and whatever you may find in your travels.
>
>Evening meal:
>with a little testing you will be able to judge the amount of rice or barley needed to make a small portion, and not waste anything. We have used mixed small amount of wild rice, barley-pearled, split peas and a little jerky (changing the meal of one or two items) to make a stew, make with a little more water than what your wife would use - fills you up with the broth. Use your used tea leaves for a mild tea flavor. Use any left overs and try and eat late in the evening (going to bed on a full belly).
>
>Don't forget what you have foraged during the day that can be prepared to supplement your evening or morning meal. Our biggest problem seems to be mind-set that we are going to starve, hell you'll die from lack of water long before you'll starve.
>
>An old friend (in his mid 70s') had a heart attack, had been very active all his farming life, he refused any medical care when he found it was possible he would not walk again, his doctor respected his wishes and had him taken home. I would visit him in the evenings, he refused food and liquids and it took him 14 days to die. The lack of liquid is what shut him down, he only lost a few pounds in that period.
>
>So the chance of you doing great harm on a weekend or a week from the lack of food is really not a major problem according to most doctors, unless you have medical problems, special medication, etc. that may require you to use with food.
>
>But do make sure you keep liquids in your system, plus a good drank of water is some what filling by it's self.
>
>This all sounds great, right. Well it's easier to write or tell it - than when packing for that adventure, you'll find yourself cheating and adding this and that - just in case. You'll stop and think and remember that first hunting trip (a day long) and all the extra stuff you took that Dad told you wasn't needed, well just in case.
>
>The big thing Cap. is do some testing the night the wife had to work late, make up a meal, simple - small in amount, bottom line is testing brother. With your experience you'll have know problem, it's just that mind-set that we all fight with. I'm always packing and unpacking different amounts, if you take just so much - small amount of food, and leave out "the just in case" factor. Then your options are get along with what you got and start foraging.
>
>I wrote Bill Klesinger (web master) for the Jim Baker Party web site, and he will put that article on "Edibles of the Rockies" on the site this weekend if everything goes OK. This may give you some ideas about foraging and what the wild plants have to offer each and everyone of us.
>
>Keep in touch friends.
>
>
>
>Later,
>Buck Conner
>
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