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hist_text-digest         Sunday, July 18 1999         Volume 01 : Number 329




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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:33:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin

Lou, If your mugs are solid copper, is it really necessary to coat them at
all?  The best water piping is just copper with no lining.   To find the
stuff you need, check plumbing supply stores.  I found tin solders in rolls
like electrical solder, but lead and flux free to use on copper water piping,
so its safe for drinking water.  A knowledgable counter man in either of
those type stores should be able to get you the right product.  Get the
object to be coated hot enough so the melt will flow over the surfaces and
with a well protected hand and arm, swish it around to cover the copper, then
pour out the excess.
Hope this helps, Barney


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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:11:34 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin

If anything  acidic is to be drunk from the cup, it should be tinned.   =
Coffee is acidic, but anyone who can drink hot coffee from a copper cup =
is too tough to die anyhow.  I swear, the cup seems hotter than the =
coffee.  A rolled edge tin cup is bad enough, so I use a crock cup.  =
Does anybody know for sure if alcohol is safe to drink from an untinned =
copper cup?  Ice water is safe for sure.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff =20
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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin


> Lou, If your mugs are solid copper, is it really necessary to coat =
them at=20
> all?  The best water piping is just copper with no lining.   To find =
the=20
> stuff you need, check plumbing supply stores.  I found tin solders in =
rolls=20
> like electrical solder, but lead and flux free to use on copper water =
piping,=20
> so its safe for drinking water.  A knowledgable counter man in either =
of=20
> those type stores should be able to get you the right product.  Get =
the=20
> object to be coated hot enough so the melt will flow over the surfaces =
and=20
> with a well protected hand and arm, swish it around to cover the =
copper, then=20
> pour out the excess.  =20
> Hope this helps, Barney
>   =20
>=20
>=20

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:38:43 -0500
From: Mike Rock <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tin,

Louis, give me an address, and Ill send out a pound or so of tin, and
some flux.

rock

See, Buck, what goes around comes around!!!!
Thanks, Buck.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:28:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Anomalies

I just finished reading the autobiography of Gurdon Saltonstall Hubbard and
got through several chapters of SwiftWalker before the interlibrary loan time
was up.

For those of you who aren't familiar with him, Hubbard started as a 15 year
old clerk with the American Fur Co. and ended being the Chief Trader in
charge of all the Illinois country by the time he was around 25.  The book
provided some enlightening first hand info, but also created some questions.
He traveled with the Illinois Brigade as a clerk.

Firstly, he stated that the voyageurs ate daily rations of peas and tallow,
and on Sundays, the meal was a special treat...  pancakes and honey from the
company's stores.  He also stated that they carried only knives and
tomahawks, and no other weapons.  No guns.

The trader and clerks (3) ate in a separate mess and had tents.  The
voyageurs had no shelter except in very bad weather, when they stowed the
trade goods under the canoes and used the tarps, which usually covered the
goods, to fashion shelters using the canoes.  He stated that he took the
trader's Manton double-barrel flint shotgun to hunt for their
meals......often taking small game and waterfowl for their meals.

The Brigade seemed to consist of the Trader, the clerks, and the voyageurs
with 13 watercraft to carry the goods.  The time period was shortly after the
Chicago Massacre and before the Winnebago Wars.  There were still hostile
Indians in the area.  However, it seemed like the shotgun was the only gun in
the whole group.

In one altercation with hostile Indians around Peoria, he mentioned going to
the canoe and getting the shotgun, aimed, and fired.  At the last minute, one
of the voyageurs knocked the gun aside.  The altercation ended through
diplomatic relations rather than fighting.  Had he shot the chief, it seems
the whole brigade would have been unarmed except for hand weapons and the
shotgun.

Secondly, he mentioned neips, these being scraps of blanket bound around the
feet as socks, which the mocassins were put over.  Wool is a good insulator
both in hot and cold, and would also soak up sweaty feet.  On one occasion
they were making the portage from Lake Michigan to the DesPlaines river,
through Mud Lake.  It was a bad time of the year, and the portage took three
days to get everything over.  The mud in the lake was over waist high, and
they all ended up covered with leeches.  Also, everyone always got sick after
making this portage, and many got diseases which affected them for a
lifetime.  Do you suppose they made this portage naked?  It doesn't seem like
mocassins would be especially suited for 3 days of mud crawling.

Additionally, he stated that each man carried his personal goods in a linen
bag which was stowed in the canoe.  When traveling afoot to take goods to the
remote trading posts, each man carried a 90 lb pack.  Do you suppose these
were actual packs, or just trade goods wrapped in tarps and hitched with rope?

Since there a lot of voyageurs involved in the Western Fur Trade, I wonder if
these facts are consistent with that area as well.

Lots of good stuff in these books.  I encourage anyone interested in the
western Great Lakes fur trade to read them as a first person reference.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 1956 04:12:11 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies

9:00 p.m. EST Friday eve

I wasn't going to bring this up, but when I saw the subject: anomalies,
it just seemed fitting.

When I was writing my book, Across the Seasons, I found the hand-written
page of Osborne Russell's title page on the "drudy list."  I chilled to
think that it was written in Russell's hand, the protagonist of my
book.

A strange idea occurred to me:  What if I had Russell's handwritting
analyzed by a graphologist.  What would it tell me that I didn't know
about him/his personality after reading Journal of a Trapper.

I did.  Is anyone interested?  If so, I will elaborate.  If not, no harm
done.

Laura Glise
Atlanta

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:47:01 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies

TELL US!!!!!!!!!!!!
D

Laura Rugel Glise wrote:

> 9:00 p.m. EST Friday eve
>
> I wasn't going to bring this up, but when I saw the subject: anomalies,
> it just seemed fitting.
>
> When I was writing my book, Across the Seasons, I found the hand-written
> page of Osborne Russell's title page on the "drudy list."  I chilled to
> think that it was written in Russell's hand, the protagonist of my
> book.
>
> A strange idea occurred to me:  What if I had Russell's handwritting
> analyzed by a graphologist.  What would it tell me that I didn't know
> about him/his personality after reading Journal of a Trapper.
>
> I did.  Is anyone interested?  If so, I will elaborate.  If not, no harm
> done.
>
> Laura Glise
> Atlanta

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 1956 06:05:38 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies

Midnight EST:

Dennis, thank you for asking:  An excerpt from my book, Across the
Seasons:

    "A month before her trip, with Russell's Journal in hand, Sarah
navigated the Internet trying to find Russell's journal on-line.  At
www.xmission.com:80:/~drudy/ she clicked on a link and found the
handwritten title page of Journal of a Trapper slowly appearing on her
computer screen.  A haunting chill passed through her body as she sat in
the dark, reading the familiar words written in Osborne's hand.  . . .

    The idea of having Russell's handwritting analyzed, the handwriting of
a dead man, intrigued her.  She paid a graphologist $30 to reveal
Russell was self-confident, outgoing, and sociable.  He kept things
inside himself and could be secretive and self-defensive.  She
characterized him as impulsive, and strongly determined, with a tendency
to worry about things.  She also said he had guilt feelings from the
past (leaving home at16 and running off to sea, maybe), and some
bitterness.  Russell was spiritual.  How could a man live in the Shining
Mountains and not be spiritual?)

    His handwriting showed Russell had a strong sex drive and was very
physical and athletic.  He had a tendency to exaggerate.  He was
intelligent, aggressive, and responsible.  He was also possessive.  He
didn't want to let go.  When he became frustrated he was volatile, but
he could hold his temper."

(end excerpt)

    It seemed blasphemous, in a way, to take Osborne Russell's handwriting
and ask a graphologist to take it apart and give me insights into his
character.  But, writing my book, it seemed one more way to look beyond
his prose and his experience(s) and "find' out who he really was.  I
don't think he'd care.  I think it would just be one more yarn he'd tell
around the campfire.  God, don't you wish we could sit down with him
tonight!

    I hope you agree.

Laura Glise
Atlanta

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:13:40 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin

lou
contact me offline and let me know how much tim you need---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:45:24 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies

please include me in a copy of that info if you will you can send it
offline if you wish---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
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On Thu, 13 Sep 1956 04:12:11 +0000 Laura Rugel Glise
<[e-mail]> writes:
>9:00 p.m. EST Friday eve
>
>I wasn't going to bring this up, but when I saw the subject:
>anomalies,
>it just seemed fitting.
>
>When I was writing my book, Across the Seasons, I found the
>hand-written
>page of Osborne Russell's title page on the "drudy list."  I chilled
>to
>think that it was written in Russell's hand, the protagonist of my
>book.
>
>A strange idea occurred to me:  What if I had Russell's handwritting
>analyzed by a graphologist.  What would it tell me that I didn't know
>about him/his personality after reading Journal of a Trapper.
>
>I did.  Is anyone interested?  If so, I will elaborate.  If not, no
>harm
>done.
>
>Laura Glise
>Atlanta
>

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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:34:45 +0000
From: Joseph Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies

Hi Laura Glise,
You wrote:
"A strange idea occurred to me:  What if I had Russell's handwritting
analyzed by a graphologist.  What would it tell me that I didn't know
about him/his personality after reading Journal of a Trapper.
I did.  Is anyone interested?  If so, I will elaborate.  If not, no harm
done."

Iwould be interested in the reading analysis.
Joseph Miller


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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:58:47 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re:  MtMan-List: Tin

"Sickler, Louis L" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a couple of hand hammered copper mugs. They are very nicely made,
> but drinking out of them worries me, for all the reasons well known. I have
> been looking around here for a source of tin that I might coat the interiors
with.

At our house, we decided NOT to use the lead-free plumber's solder for
tinning the copper pots Jeff makes. This solder is 95% tin, 5% antimony.
(Some specialty "silver solders" actually contain the heavy metal cadmium,
BTW; read the label!) Although the antimony is okay when used in plumbing,
it may be toxic when used for other things. We decided not to risk using
this solder to tin pots which were likely to be heated to boiling, used over
heat for long cooking times, or used with acidic foods such as tomatoes or
other fruits. Instead, we found a  "metal alloyer" in our yellow pages, and
got 100% pure bar tin. Metal alloyers can also be a cheap source of pure
lead bars--if you buy both, make sure you will be able to tell which is
which a year later!

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:03:23 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies

   > Do you suppose they made this portage naked?
     Dave,not quite naked,unless talking in the period mindset! One of the
reasons the French got along so well with the natives was the Voyageurs
afinity with comfort and native dress. Considering the routes traveled in
the early trade through the "Old Northwest" were nearly all water and having
spent a lifetime in the region the less clothing the better! Unless the
mosquitos and blackflies are biting. Unlike the English superior attitude
that whites are better than natives,the French by at least 1720-1740 had as
much Indian ancestry as they had French.
   >When traveling afoot to take goods to the remote trading posts,
   >each man carried a 90 lb pack.  Do you suppose these were actual
   >packs, or just trade goods wrapped in tarps and hitched with rope?
It depends on your idea of what a pack is! If it is something on the order
of 20th century backpacks,the answer is NO. If your answer is tightly
bundled trade goods or furs(depending on the direction one was going) then
the answer is YES. I believe Alaxander Henry wrote about the voyageurs packs
and the fact that most engages would carry 2(yes two)packs at a time to get
the portage over with as quickly as possible(I think there was some bonus's
involved in this,I've been studying the War of 1812 lately and haven't
been reading Henry or Nute lately. BTW,get a copy of Grace Lee Nutes book;
"THE VOYAGEURS" and "THE VOYAGEURS HIGHWAY" a companion book. I think you
can get reprints of both from Jas.Townsend for under $20.
     The way you described remote trading posts,I have to ask about your
knowledge of the "Old Northwest"(not a flame) I am unaware of even the
remotest post not being situated on a navagable river or stream. If you know
something I don't,please share it with me,I'm here to learn!
     To show what I'm trying to say,you can can travel from Quebec to New
Orleans by water with only (IIRC) 3 portages and I believe the longest was
around Niagra falls. A back breaking 4-5 mile trot then back to the water
and relatively easy travel.
   >Since there a lot of voyageurs involved in the Western Fur Trade, I
   >wonder if these facts are consistent with that area as well.
     I doubt it,as by then horses and mules were the mainstay of the trade
and the Whites had begun to trap for themselves rather than trading. I don't
think my Great (X6 or something like that) Grandfather ever thought of
trapping the furs himself,but he did secure a trading license from King
Louis in 1685 and that branch of the family was in the fur trade until about
the American Civil War.

























   >Lots of good stuff in these books.  I encourage anyone interested
   >in the western Great Lakes fur trade to read them as a first person
   >reference.
   >Dave Kanger

Jeff Powers
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:25:41 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:25:47 -0500

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Hello the list
I recently bought a fine straight razor  and a high quality strop from =
Buck Connor and at the tender age of 52 I am learning how to shave with =
the thing.  So far the results are satisfactory and the two cuts have =
not required the paramedics but I would appreciate any tips and =
suggestions regarding shaving with a straight razor. Also, I would =
appreciate guidance regarding sharpening and stroping the blade.  Do you =
apply anything to the strop?  You know....information.

Now, it isn't often that you will get a Texan to admit to any deficit in =
his knowledge of all things, much less be invited to teach one =
something, so jump in there with your expertise and help me out here.=20

By the way, the razor is flat georgeous...ebony wood handle and a =
Gerjman solingen blade....worth every nickle of Buck's price.

YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
ps:  Ain't this a better subject than some that we have seen lately? =20

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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:06:38 -0700
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:25:47 -0500

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     Lanney

     Many years ago I too go the hots to use a straight razor.  I =
sharpened it up to best of my abability. Put hot wash cloth on my face, =
used a brush and soap mug, and attempted to shave.  On the first side of =
my face there were only a few nicks, "hope they stop bleeding before I =
go to work at 3:pm", then on the other side which was ackward, I added a =
few more nicks. I now had a nice collection of nicks. I finally got =
shaved. The next morning as I looked in the mirror to shave I noticed =
there were too many scabs to even be able to use a safety razor. Looked =
as if I shaved using my McCulloch. I waited a few days to heal up and =
had a nice start on a set of whiskers. I used common sense and decided a =
beard was safer than the straight razor.

     On the side of safety grow a beard. Put your fine razor in your =
pack basket and lay it out at each voo` and say "yup some day when I`m =
ready I`ll use it".

             GOOD LUCK TO YOU !!!!!!!! =20



John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest  Ohio                                              =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ratcliff=20
  To: History List=20
  Cc: AMM=20
  Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 5:25 PM
  Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:25:47 -0500


  Hello the list
  I recently bought a fine straight razor  and a high quality strop from =
Buck Connor and at the tender age of 52 I am learning how to shave with =
the thing.  So far the results are satisfactory and the two cuts have =
not required the paramedics but I would appreciate any tips and =
suggestions regarding shaving with a straight razor. Also, I would =
appreciate guidance regarding sharpening and stroping the blade.  Do you =
apply anything to the strop?  You know....information.

  Now, it isn't often that you will get a Texan to admit to any deficit =
in his knowledge of all things, much less be invited to teach one =
something, so jump in there with your expertise and help me out here.=20

  By the way, the razor is flat georgeous...ebony wood handle and a =
Gerjman solingen blade....worth every nickle of Buck's price.

  YMOS
  Lanney Ratcliff
  ps:  Ain't this a better subject than some that we have seen lately? =20

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>     Many years ago I too go the =
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Put hot=20
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shave. =20
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stop=20
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ackward,=20
I added a few more nicks. I now had a nice collection of nicks. I =
finally got=20
shaved. The next morning as I looked in the mirror to shave I noticed =
there were=20
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shaved=20
using my McCulloch. I waited a few days to heal up and had a nice start =
on a set=20
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straight=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>     On the side of safety grow =
a beard.=20
Put your fine razor in your pack basket and lay it out at each voo` and =
say "yup=20
some day when I`m ready I`ll use it".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
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GOOD LUCK TO YOU !!!!!!!!  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>John (BIG JOHN) =
Hunt<BR>Longhunter<BR>Mountainman<BR>southwest =20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
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  title=[e-mail]>AMM</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 17, 1999 =
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  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: Date: Sat, =
17 Jul=20
  1999 19:25:47 -0500</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Hello the list</DIV>
  <DIV>I recently bought a fine straight razor  and a high quality =
strop=20
  from Buck Connor and at the tender age of 52 I am learning how to =
shave with=20
  the thing.  So far the results are satisfactory and the two cuts =
have not=20
  required the paramedics but I would appreciate any tips and =
suggestions=20
  regarding shaving with a straight razor. Also, I would=20
  appreciate guidance regarding sharpening and stroping the =
blade.  Do=20
  you apply anything to the strop?  You know....information.</DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV>Now, it isn't often that you will get a Texan to admit to any =
deficit in=20
  his knowledge of all things, much less be invited to teach one =
something, so=20
  jump in there with your expertise and help me out here. </DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV>By the way, the razor is flat georgeous...ebony wood handle and a =
Gerjman=20
  solingen blade....worth every nickle of Buck's price.</DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV>YMOS</DIV>
  <DIV>Lanney Ratcliff</DIV>
  <DIV>ps:  Ain't this a better subject than some that we have seen =

  lately?  </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:05:07 -0500
From: "John McKee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:25:47 -0500

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Lanny:  My old barber [long since gone under] shaved me with a straight =
edge when I was younger.  He said the trick was the angle of the blade, =
pull the area that you are going to shave tight with your other hand and =
go SLOWLY.  A warm, wet towel will help if you have a thick beard.  As =
to sharpening with a strop, jewerlers rouge on the linen side and the =
razor moved in a small circular motion, then finished on the leather =
side.  As with shooting pool, flintlocks and brain surgery, practice =
makes perfect!!  Long John                  ---Original Message-----
From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: History List <[e-mail]>
Cc: AMM <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 7:22 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:25:47 -0500


    Hello the list
    I recently bought a fine straight razor  and a high quality strop =
from Buck Connor and at the tender age of 52 I am learning how to shave =
with the thing.  So far the results are satisfactory and the two cuts =
have not required the paramedics but I would appreciate any tips and =
suggestions regarding shaving with a straight razor. Also, I would =
appreciate guidance regarding sharpening and stroping the blade.  Do you =
apply anything to the strop?  You know....information.
   =20
    Now, it isn't often that you will get a Texan to admit to any =
deficit in his knowledge of all things, much less be invited to teach =
one something, so jump in there with your expertise and help me out =
here.=20
   =20
    By the way, the razor is flat georgeous...ebony wood handle and a =
Gerjman solingen blade....worth every nickle of Buck's price.
   =20
    YMOS
    Lanney Ratcliff
    ps:  Ain't this a better subject than some that we have seen lately? =
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towel will=20
help if you have a thick beard.  As to sharpening with a strop, =
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and brain=20
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John           &nb=
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</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>---Original =
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</B>History List=20
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    <DIV>Hello the list</DIV>
    <DIV>I recently bought a fine straight razor  and a high =
quality strop=20
    from Buck Connor and at the tender age of 52 I am learning how to =
shave with=20
    the thing.  So far the results are satisfactory and the two =
cuts have=20
    not required the paramedics but I would appreciate any tips and =
suggestions=20
    regarding shaving with a straight razor. Also, I would=20
    appreciate guidance regarding sharpening and stroping the =
blade. =20
    Do you apply anything to the strop?  You =
know....information.</DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>Now, it isn't often that you will get a Texan to admit to any =
deficit=20
    in his knowledge of all things, much less be invited to teach one =
something,=20
    so jump in there with your expertise and help me out =
here. </DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>By the way, the razor is flat georgeous...ebony wood handle and =
a=20
    Gerjman solingen blade....worth every nickle of Buck's price.</DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>YMOS</DIV>
    <DIV>Lanney Ratcliff</DIV>
    <DIV>ps:  Ain't this a better subject than some that we have =
seen=20
    lately?  </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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