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hist_text-digest        Saturday, June 19 1999        Volume 01 : Number 314




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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:42:22 -0600
From: Charles P  Webb <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Boy Scout Presentation

Carp,
I enjoyed your discription of your scout demonstration, but was a bit
surprised
that you did not mention firearms safety up front.  Since more lives were
lost during the fur trade and western expansion to firearm accidents than
any other cause. I guess I expect yourself and others when demonstrating
to young people to breathe fire, wave the flag and stress firearm safety.

    I work with better than 3000 Boy Scouts yearly at the Air Force Academy
in Jan or Feb on a thing called "Freezoree" designed for the scouts to
get their Winter Cold Weather Camping badge.  We set up a pre-1840 type
fur trade camp, with buffalo cooking over an open fire.  I believe that
the cooking smells add to the authenticity of our demonstrations.  We
begin the demonstration handling a muzzle loading rifle, show , name and
describe what each part does. Also explain why a mountaineer would be
packing a firearm in the first place. We try to cover as many facets of
firearm, muzzle loading safety, as time will allow,  stress and re stress
the importance of safe firearm handling at every opportunity during the
demonstration.  We also point out as I mentioned earlier about how many
doccumented lives were lost to accidents
with firearms. We cover all the skills necessary to survive the Shining
Mountains as you do, but perhaps go a bit heavy on the safety aspect.
One seventy five caliber ball passed around with a short discussion of
how being hit with one could spoil your whole day does much to regain any
lost attention.
    Again, understand I am not finding fault, simply stating something I
feel myself and others could possibly do better!  Keep up the good
work!!!
Respectfully,
C Webb

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:50:37 -0600
From: Charles P  Webb <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Boy Scout Presentation

Hey again Carp,
Ya know, I have done a bunch of fur trade demo's since I first started
playing
with the black stuff, but you mentioned starting your history talk with
Louis an Clark and that triggered in my fading mind an incident that
occurred a couple of years ago at a local junior high.  I had been called
in to talk about the Mountain Men  and the  American Fur trade.  I showed
up in braintan with all my plunder, and properly proceeded to "wow em".
I asked the group, "Any of ya ever heard of Lewis and Clark"  perhaps
ninety percent raised their hands that indeed they had. I next asked if
they knew anything about the Corps of Discovery.  Not a single hand
signaled yea. This should have been a clue, but it went right over my
head.  I proceeded to overwhelm them with my abundant knowledge of  the
western wanderings and wonderous accomplishments of the Corps through
1806  when I began to notice the blank faces staring back at me.  I  was
suddenly aware that I had "lost em".  There is no feeling in the world
like when you first tumble to the fact  that all those faces looking at
you "ain't got a clue" about what you are talking about. Being  slow  of
wit but
light on my feet I tried to recover.  Does any one have any questions
about what we are talking about  I asked, several hands went up but still
the blank looks prevailed, I called on a little girl about to wave her
hand off,  she said
" I am confused, I don't understand,  this Corps of Discovery stuff is
very interesting but what  does it have to do with  Superman?"  my turn
to display the blank look, then I slowly began to come to the party...
Lewis and Clark..... how about Lois and Clark?  This actually occurred
exactly as I have related it, I now make the distinction between Lewis
and Lois when addressing young school folks.
Have a good day,
C Webb

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:36:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Boy Scout Presentation

I am not a typist and can only sit at a typewrtiter/computer for so long
until the back gives out.  Since I wasn't writing to youngsters, I left out
the safety aspect, for the sake of brevity.  It is a foregone conclusion, to
me, that when you talk to kids about firearms, you stress safety.  Moreover,
I wasn't there for a talk stricktly about firearms.  I did talk a little
about firearms safety.  There is far more to a trappers life than firearms,
as we all know.   I also talked about what firearms were used for beside
making meat.  That being, killing other human beings, e.g., Native Americans,
of the time, and others who would do harm, for self preservation.  That is
just the way it was and I presented it that way.

Last, but not least, I did not worry about political correctness, in either
giving my presentation, or writing to the History List about it.  I think we
are above that.

Carp

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:02:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Boy Scout Presentation

Good advice.  That is very funny.

I actually asked the teacher, who asked me to do the demonstration if, in
fact, the students had heard about Lewis and Clark, because that is where I
wanted to start.  As it turns out,  he asked me to do the demonstration
because of the fact that they were in that time period.

By the way, I was not offended by your questioning of my methods in teaching
these children, whatsoever.  I ususlly just speak matter of factly.  Some
have taken this to believe I am mad, or offended, or nuts.  Nothing could be
further from the truth.

I soak up, take to heart and sometimes question anything and everything I
read on this list .  It is great.

Carp

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:13:15 -0700
From: Ridgerunner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: My Greatest Achievment

>
    Just out of curiosity, did your wife have anything to do with
this?  :)

    Butch


- --
I don't want to be your lullaby.
Michelle Kwan

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:43:40 -0700
From: Ridgerunner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FWD: [Fwd: World's Easiest Quiz?]

Phyllis and Don Keas wrote:
>
> Let's see how many can pass it!!
>
> DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

> > >
> > >>>> > (Answers at the bottom. Hey - NO Cheating!)
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 1)  How long did the Hundred Years War last?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 2)  Which country makes Panama hats?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 3)  From which animal do we get catgut?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 4)  In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 5)  What is a camel's hair brush made of?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 6)  The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 7)  What was King George VI's first name?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 8)  What color is a purple finch?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 9)  Where are Chinese gooseberries from?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 10) How long did the Thirty Years War last?


> > >>>> > Answers To The Quiz
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 1)  116 years, from 1337 to 1453.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 2)  Ecuador.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 3)  From sheep and horses.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 4)  November. The Russian calendar was 13 days behind ours.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 5)  Squirrel fur.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 6)  The Latin name was Insularia Canaria - Island of the Dogs.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 7)  Albert. When he came to the throne in 1936 he respected the
> > wish
> > >>>> >     of Queen Victoria that no future king should ever be called
> > Albert.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 8)  Distinctively crimson.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 9)  New Zealand.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > 10) Thirty years, of course. From 1618 to
> > >>>>1648.

>       Well, I only missed 6,7 and 9.  That count?

    Butch
- --
I don't want to be your lullaby.
Michelle Kwan

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 01:36:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: fur trade firearms accident

Mr. Webb,

That's an interesting statement you make in your recent post (see below)
about more people dying in the fur trade from firearms accidents than any
other cause.  Could you help me find documentation of that?

In a message dated 6/17/99 10:50:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Since more lives were
>  lost during the fur trade and western expansion to firearm accidents than
>  any other cause.

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: "E-Mail surcharge" OFF TOPIC

   I don't understand This!
 I did'nt hear anything about extra charges for useing "UPS. or FED_X".
 What gives?


===
George R. Noe< [e-mail] >                           1005 W.Donkey Ln.                                     Marlow Ok. 73055
Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:17:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "E-Mail surcharge" OFF TOPIC

The email surcharge by the Feds is an elaborate hoax.  Even got William
Buckley so don't feel bad.

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "E-Mail surcharge" OFF TOPIC

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
> The email surcharge by the Feds is an elaborate
> hoax.  Even got William
> Buckley so don't feel bad.
>
> Sorry folks:
 Just my "sick" form of humer.
 How could the "Feds" attach a surcharge on "E-mail"
 and not UPS_FED-X etc.
 G.R.N.

===
George R. Noe< [e-mail] >                           1005 W.Donkey Ln.                                     Marlow Ok. 73055
Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:37:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Big John Hunt

Big John,

Please contact me privately concerning your dbl. barrel flint shotgun project.
I just picked up 6 sets of old modern barrels which could provide the basis
for your gun if you are interested. (cheap)

Dave Kanger

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:49:14 -0700
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: DMA

I like this idea.  My origional e-mail address gets so much SPAM that I had
to quit using it.

Sidney
aka Stargazer


> IS THIS LEGAL???
>
> I kind of like the idea, set up auto forwarding, hmmmm!
>
> John
>
> At 12:13 AM 6/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > Hey folks-lets all send copies of our spam to the president at the
Direct
> >Mail Advertisers-if he can testify to various legislatures that it is not
a
> >problem, surely he won't mind receiving it? That's
<[e-mail]>
> >
>

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:22:28 -0700
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: My Greatest Achievment

Matt and Sarah,

I am fortunate to have three daughters.  They range in age from 13 to 25.
Each is her own unique person, and each is a continuous joy in my life.  My
oldest married the nicest young man a year and a half ago, so now I also get
to share him with her, and his mom.  I remember the birth of each daughter
as if it were yesterday.  Every time I look at my youngest, who is 5'8" tall
just like I am, I wonder where my baby has gone.  While I'm sure that sons
are nice too, there is something magical about little girls.  Gillian is
lucky to have a daddy who considers her his greatest achievement, rather
than being the child of some guy who says, "This one had better be a boy."
I know you will both love and cherish her.

Congratulations,

Sidney


> To all my friends,
>
> This day my greatest achievment has come forth.
>
> I introduce my first born, my daughter;  Gillian Elaydia Mitchell.
>
> Sarah started labor on Monday at 5pm PST. We went to the hospital last
> night at
> 930pm, during the biggest thunder storm yet this season.
> Gillian was born at 7:12am this morning. 6lbs 15 1/2 oz, and just as
> beautiful as
> she could be.
> Mom and baby are resting right now but if any of you want to call and say
> hi here is the number.
> Also for the locals feel free to drop by, we will be there until tomorrow
> morning, after that
> catch us at home.
>
> Gritman Memorial : [phone] room 218
>
> Proudest Papa
>
> "Pockets"
> A.K.A.
> Matt Mitchell
> Palouse Hills Muzzleloaders
> Moscow, Idaho
> [e-mail]
>
>   "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
>   General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:15:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: DMA

In a message dated 6/19/99 12:40:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<
 I like this idea.  My origional e-mail address gets so much SPAM that I had
 to quit using it.
  >>
been doing it for a week now..no reply

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:16:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: My Greatest Achievment

In a message dated 6/19/99 1:12:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< dy who considers her his greatest achievement, rather
 than being the child of some guy who says, "This one had better be a boy." >>

oh jeez i was just kidding...my daughter is the center of my world..

zopi

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:32:46 -0700
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPAM

I really, really hate SPAM, so since it was brought up on the list,  I'll
share this with you.  This URL will take you to a site that tells you where
to forward SPAM to get the sender's e-mail account closed.  I got a hotmail
account closed this morning.  All you have to do is forward the entire thing
to the address given on this page.  I've also forwarded about 18 things to
the president of the DMA.  Let's go get'um!!!

Sidney
aka Stargazer

                             http://www.petemoss.com/spam/complaints.html






> IS THIS LEGAL???
>
> I kind of like the idea, set up auto forwarding, hmmmm!
>
> John
>
> At 12:13 AM 6/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > Hey folks-lets all send copies of our spam to the president at the
Direct
> >Mail Advertisers-if he can testify to various legislatures that it is not
a
> >problem, surely he won't mind receiving it? That's
<[e-mail]>
> >
>

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