Not only reading books, but there are lots of video's available that cover anything from tracking to cleaning.
You may want to team up with someone from a local muzzleloading club that hunts, check with Fish & Game - they may have someone they work with through Hunter Safety Program or even someone on this list that's in your area.
Books and videos are good, but having an experienced person to help show you the ropes is hard to beat. What area are you wanting to hunt and what area are you living in ?
Over the years several of us have met some sportsmen that have turned out to be a credit to the modern muzzleloading crowd. I owned a muzzleloading store in northern Colorado (Buckhorn Rendezvous) with access to 300 acres. When we sold a muzzleloader to new shooters, one of us from the store would spend a few hours every Sat getting these customers comfortable with safety, loading, clearing and cleaning their weapons.
We have had customers show up with gifts as well as pictures of their first game, that was as exciting as having hunted the animals ourselves. The best was a doctor from the local hospital driving in with his wife's custom van, in the back was a good 6 X 6 bull elk, wrapped in plastic - what a site.
Buck Conner
Colorado Territory
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 09:56:23 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
I have to agree a 100% with what Buck has stated about books, videos, and local F&G Dept. help, again I agree that the skills learned from an experienced person would be the most helpful, (go with someone that has a good track record - gets game).
As far as what Buck wrote about his old store and customer relationships in the art of learning about a muzzleloader, there has been no better learning experience. They use to have a "picture wall" with customers, their guns and their gotten game- the 6X6 bull was a real good one. It was a sad day in northern CO when Buck closed that operation after so many fine years of customer service.
I miss the good old days in Colorado and visiting the boys at Buckhorn Rendezvous - waugh ..
Turtle
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> Not only reading books, but there are lots of video's available that cover anything from tracking to cleaning.
>
> You may want to team up with someone from a local muzzleloading club that hunts, check with Fish & Game - they may have someone they work with through Hunter Safety Program or even someone on this list that's in your area.
>
> Books and videos are good, but having an experienced person to help show you the ropes is hard to beat. What area are you wanting to hunt and what area are you living in ?
>
> Over the years several of us have met some sportsmen that have turned out to be a credit to the modern muzzleloading crowd. I owned a muzzleloading store in northern Colorado (Buckhorn Rendezvous) with access to 300 acres. When we sold a muzzleloader to new shooters, one of us from the store would spend a few hours every Sat getting these customers comfortable with safety, loading, clearing and cleaning their weapons.
>
> We have had customers show up with gifts as well as pictures of their first game, that was as exciting as having hunted the animals ourselves. The best was a doctor from the local hospital driving in with his wife's custom van, in the back was a good 6 X 6 bull elk, wrapped in plastic - what a site.
>
> Buck Conner
> Colorado Territory
>
>
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 10:25:50 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
Hey Turtle,
Thanks for your comments about the store, remember you moved to PA, on second thought maybe you were asked to leave !!!! Only kidding Bud.
Buck Conner
Colorado Territory
> I miss the good old days in Colorado and visiting the boys at Buckhorn Rendezvous - waugh ..
>
> Turtle
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 10:46:31 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
With all the baloney aside, and trying to help this young man in gaining experience, please consider what Hawk, Buck and yours truly have suggested: books, videos and proven successful experienced muzzleloading hunters. These steps are a sure fired way to learn and be successful at the old art of supplying your needs.
Good luck in your search.
Turtle
PA Colonies
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 10:53:15 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
AGREEDED ;
books, videos and proven successful experienced muzzleloading hunters. These steps are a sure fired way to learn and be successful at the old art of supplying your needs.
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> For all us newbies on the list, how authentic is this Rendezvous?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Corey
Corey,
Don't know if anyone else answered you yet but I just got in from a
canoe trek on the Palouse and will give it a try.
The Pacific and all such do's are tooted as pre 1840 which means that
you are expected to dress and camp as folks would who were in the Rocky
Mts. prior to 1840. That should be enough info for anyone to use to get
their gear together but some will ask if they can get by with "this" or
"that" piece of modern clothing or camp gear or what have you. If you
can get a flier, it will tell you that what you need for medical reasons
like glasses, crutches, medicines and such are allowed. Otherwise leave
it at home. The Pacific and some others may have an area set aside for
folks to use modern campers, and such but when they actually walk into
the "primitive area" they are expected to be dressed accordingly.
As to how authentic it is, there are going to be a lot of people there
who have not done their home work and will be dressed old timey but not
authentically. Usually nothing is said unless you are in cowboy boots,
etc. If you have some particular questions, let me know and I will do my
best to help. In any case, I will see you at the Pacific Nt. Rendezvous.
I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:25:35 EDT
From: TetonTod@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Andrew Henry's Route 1810-1811
Hello all
I recently obtained a copy of a fascinating paper which was written and
presented by Mr. Mark W. Kelly at the 51st Annual Pacific Northwest History
Conference & Annual Conference of the Northwest Oral History Association held
last April 23-25 in Boise. The title of the paper is "Andrew Henry, John
Dougherty, and the St. Louis Missouri Fur Company: The Road from Three Forks,
Montana to Henry's Fork of the Snake River, Idaho. A New Perspective." I
obtained the paper from Dr. Fred Gowans at Brigham Young University, who also
seemed excited about it's contents. Mr. Kelly will also be presenting this
paper at the Jedediah Smith Symposium to be held next week in Stockton,
California.
As most of you may be aware historians, including such notables as Chittenden
and Morgan, have always assumed that after the Blackfeet made trapping the
Three Forks region much to risky, i.e., the death of George Droulliard ,
etc., that Andrew Henry led a portion of his men southward up the Madison
River and over the continental divide and down to Henry's Fork where he
established a post. Thus becoming the first American to carry the fur trade
to the pacific side of the Rockies.
One of the men who accompanied Henry was John Dougherty. Apparently
Dougherty made a map of their travels from the time they left the Three Forks
until the establishment of Henry's post. On the back of the map there is a
narration further detailing the travels. The map and narration cast a whole
new light on Henry's route and make for fascinating study if you are
interested in these kinds of fur trade history
details.
The map was held in obscurity in the National Achives for over a
century. Ralph E. Ehrenberg somehow learned of it's existence and wrote an
article about it in the early 70's, yet it has continued to be largely
overlooked. Perhaps Mr. Kelly's efforts will bring Dougherty's map more of
the attention it deserves.
I am discussing with Dean our webmaster about the possibility of
posting the article and maps on the web site. I have obtained the authors
consent, so it should happen. For those of you who are avid historians and
just can't wait for that to happen and need to get a copy in your hands,
contact me directly
Happy Trails
Todd D. Glover
tetontod@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:49:28 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buckskin report
Linda Holley wrote:
> Since I also have the "old editions", does that make me an old lady fart??
> And I became "chemically" dependent on the hair many years ago.
>
> Linda Holley
Dear Lady,
It is my understanding that "Ladies of Vintage" do not "fart". I do not concider you an old lady but in any case you may on occasion
"fluff", you don't fart. <G>I remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:50:31 +0000
From: The Sweeneys <angus@lostsierra.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
>
>
> Books and videos are good, but having an experienced person to help show you the ropes is hard to beat. What area are you wanting to hunt and what area are you living in ?
>
Thanks everyone for the good advise. I live in Brownsville California, in the Sierra foothills, about two hours drive northeast of Sacramento. As far as were I want to hunt, anywhere in the Sierras north of Yosemite. If there is anyone on the list in my area that does'nt mind teaching this here pilgrim, please let me know.
Mick Sweeney
P.O. Box 121
Brownsville, Ca. 95919
Angus@lostsierra.net
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:50:31 +0000
From: The Sweeneys <angus@lostsierra.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
>
>
> Books and videos are good, but having an experienced person to help show you the ropes is hard to beat. What area are you wanting to hunt and what area are you living in ?
>
Thanks everyone for the good advise. I live in Brownsville California, in the Sierra foothills, about two hours drive northeast of Sacramento. As far as were I want to hunt, anywhere in the Sierras north of Yosemite. If there is anyone on the list in my area that does'nt mind teaching this here pilgrim, please let me know.
Mick Sweeney
P.O. Box 121
Brownsville, Ca. 95919
Angus@lostsierra.net
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 18:52:33 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
Sounds like some of you boys may have just found a camp hand and new gut man for cleanup. I can remember those days when first getting started, along with many chores that didn't make sense at the time but turned out to be good sound advice down the road, good luck Mick Sweeney.
Give it your best shot at learning a number of new skills.
Buck
Colorado Territory
Come-on lets hear from some of you boys in his neck of the woods, we were all in his spot at one time on this journey.
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> > Books and videos are good, but having an experienced person to help show you the ropes is hard to beat. What area are you wanting to hunt and what area are you living in ?
> >
>
> Thanks everyone for the good advise. I live in Brownsville California, in the Sierra foothills, about two hours drive northeast of Sacramento. As far as were I want to hunt, anywhere in the Sierras north of Yosemite. If there is anyone on the list in my area that does'nt mind teaching this here pilgrim, please let me know.
>
> Mick Sweeney
> P.O. Box 121
> Brownsville, Ca. 95919
> Angus@lostsierra.net
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 19:01:45 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
Buck, your still the old mother hen you were 15 years ago when I would listen to you.
I've heard him get more greenhorn's started this way, he was nice in how he referred to your chores, in the service you were referred to as a "grunt".
You'll learn Mick, that one learns from one's mistakes, but you do learn.
Turtle
PA Colony
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> Sounds like some of you boys may have just found a camp hand and new gut man for cleanup. I can remember those days when first getting started, along with many chores that didn't make sense at the time but turned out to be good sound advice down the road, good luck Mick Sweeney.
> > Mick Sweeney
> > P.O. Box 121
> > Brownsville, Ca. 95919
> > Angus@lostsierra.net
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:00:47 -0500
From: Farseer <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Another Greenhorn question
I saw this post in the archives, but I am curious to know both sides. =
I've heard that most mountain men did NOT have beards. Alfred Millers =
paintings showed a handful of beards, mostly short, like goatees (like =
yours truly), but the author of the collection I have (The 1837 =
Sketchbook of the Western Fur Trade) states flat out most 'skinners were =
clean-shaven, like the indians whose dress they imitated. In the Book =
of Buckskinnging,Vol I, J.W. (Doc) Carlson says the same thing. =
Others seem to have the opposite opinion. So which is it? and I =
apologize if I opened up a can of worms.
Todd (Who doesn't have a nifty name give to him yet)
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 19:10:56 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
Dennis,
Give me some help with this paraplegia -turtle, he's been on my back for a week, run over from OH to PA and straighten him out. He once told me "flush your toilets daily, Ohio needs the drinkin' water".
Sorry folks, just had to say something about some peoples kids. Let's get back to history questions.
Buck Conner
Colorado Territory
>
> Buck, your still the old mother hen you were 15 years ago when I would listen to you.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:14:43 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
Buck,
My pleasure, once I take delivery on the Jaeger, just cause I doon wannna
rust my sword on watered down Pa. blood.. I'll go over and give him a talkin
to.. Gotta get me shots updated though... Ya think he'd make decent b'ar
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Date: 13 Apr 1999 19:48:17 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Greenhorn Question
Dennis,
After you scare him a little, there won't be much for bait, he's like some of them folks from another state; how's that go - feed em exlax and bury them in a shoe box !!!
Buck
>
> Buck,
> My pleasure, once I take delivery on the Jaeger, just cause I doon wannna
> rust my sword on watered down Pa. blood.. I'll go over and give him a talkin
> to.. Gotta get me shots updated though... Ya think he'd make decent b'ar
