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hist_text-digest       Wednesday, March 17 1999       Volume 01 : Number 258




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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:06:03 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question

Tell you all what... if you want a page just to pit pix on, I'll set upa
"backdoor" page on my Ronnyvous web site that only we will have the URL
to...  Email me pix and a description and I'll put them on it...

Let me know if any of you want me to do that...

Addison Miller

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question


>In a message dated 3/16/99 10:49:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail]
>writes:
>
><< Siyo,
> Put your pic up on your site then send the url to the list, and we can
take
> a gander.
>
> YMOS
> Lonewolf >>
>
>lonewolf....... sorry, i don't have a site........ does anyone have one
that i
>can e-mail the scanned photo too????
>kinjano
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:57:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question

In a message dated 3/16/99 9:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< quit scarin' the boy >>

ummmmmmmm............ guess again, sweetie!

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:12:14 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question

I got a GOOD receipe for whisky even a self-respectin(?) Texican wouldn't
drink.... !!  I'm a transplanted Texican, and I DAMN sure won't!!  But, then
again, I ain't never met Lanny... hehe.... :)

Addison Miller
aka Little Wolf

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question


>Aw hell. Larry. din't mean ta hurt yer feelins...C'mon up 'n I'll share me
>whiskey wi' ye...
>Better now???
>D
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:48 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
>
>
>>I'M SORRY  ! ! !  Dang, don't nobody want to have fun no more.
>>Pendleton
>>
>>----------
>>> From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>>> To: [e-mail]
>>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:02 PM
>>>
>>> Pendleton,
>>>  Crawl back under yer cactus and quit scarin' the boy...<G>
>>> D
>>>
>>>    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
>>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
>>>
>>>
>>> >Kinjano,
>>> >  Man don't ever ask a feller where he's from.  If he is a Texian,
he'll
>>> >tell you right off.  If he isn't, there ain't no need in embarrassing
>>him.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  I couldn't help it folks.  The devil made me do it.
>>> >Pendleton
>>> >
>>> >----------
>>> >> From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>>> >> To: [e-mail]
>>> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
>>> >> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 7:45 PM
>>> >>
>>> >> You MUST be new to the list.  I'm a Texian with Texas ancestors back
>>> >prior to the Texas Revolution.
>>> >> YMOS
>>> >> Lanney Ratcliff
>>> >> [e-mail]
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>> >> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>> >> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 5:28 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >In a message dated 3/16/99 10:48:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> >> >[e-mail] writes:
>>> >> >
>>> >> ><< Kinjano,
>>> >> >  Where in N.W Ohio???  Lanney.. mebby someone local to play
>>with!!<G>
>>> >> > D
>>> >> >  >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >near Toledo...... where is Lanney from???
>>> >> >kinjano
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:52:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question

In a message dated 3/16/99 8:38:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< You MUST be new to the list.  I'm a Texian with Texas ancestors back prior
to the Texas Revolution.
 YMOS
 Lanney Ratcliff >>

so i assume this means you don't live in ohio, right???
kinjano

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:46:46 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question

Hmmmm.... I think Ohio is in the NE part of Texas....


- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question


>In a message dated 3/16/99 8:38:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
>writes:
>
><< You MUST be new to the list.  I'm a Texian with Texas ancestors back
prior
>to the Texas Revolution.
> YMOS
> Lanney Ratcliff >>
>
>so i assume this means you don't live in ohio, right???
>kinjano
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:52:31 -0800
From: Barbara Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

Well, being one of the ladies with too damn much stuff, I just couldn't
keep quiet any longer. I'm trying to get better (i.e., lighter and
less), but what works for men folks don't always work for usens.  Which
leads me to my question:
Any women reading this list who would be interested in attending a doins
just for women?  Two years back Elk Woman and Barefoot Woman (former Hyu
Eenas) held "A Gathering of Women" on Mt. Rainier. I couldn't attend due
to work, but I've heard great stories of a wonderful week on the
mountain, with classes and seminars, and plenty of opportunity to
practice skills away from critical eyes.  I'm trying like hell to get
them to do another one.  I've been mentored by men for the past five
years, and while I dearly love my running buddies, I need to know some
things that men just don't care about!  If there's any women out there
interested, please email me directly.

Capt. Lahti, it was great meeting you at Enumclaw! Chris and I sure
enjoyed the parched corn.  I can testify for the binding qualities - but
you really don't want to hear about it!  As for swimming across the
creek naked for chocolate, I'd really be much more interested if you'd
put the chocolate in one of Tom's lovely copper boilers!  By the way,
what can we women put up to intice you fellas to make the return trip in
the buff?

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:50:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

I have worked for several years on lubricants for muzzle loading rifles
and just recieved this from a good friend of mine and he asked me to
comment on it and provide my input---he has used my lubricant for
competative shooting and will not use anything else to shoot and to clean
with--i thought it would be a good subject to start a good discussion
about---and the pro's and con's of the different type of lubricants and
what is the majority of the peoples preference in a lubricant.  I know we
have had some discussion in the past so this may add to the base of
knowledge---it was real interesting to me and brought  out some
interesting points---my personal feeling is there is a difference in
patch lubricants depending on hunting and target shooting---yet you must
have one you can do both with and not have to rezero your gun for eather
type of shooting---have tried everything including the web terry teflon
ticking and each has its place in different types of shooting and
requirements.

please feel free to provide me your input even offline if you wish--again
thanks for your future input--no flame wars only positative discussion
and what you feel is a good and proper patch lubricant and why---note i
am not hammering on the products mentioned only trying to establish a
good base line for proper patch lubricants--

"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]

Subject: Re: lube


I tried the Wonder 1000 theory, and I'd love to see someone
actually  do that. I've watched 5 different guys try it, and the record
is 8
shots, same as I got. Of course, another way to look at it is: on any
given day that I am hunting deer with it and I get off 10 shots and
don't have a deer to show for it, I probably ought to go home and give
some serious consideration to what I am doing wrong.

 Tony,

You have no idea how much humor has come out of Ox-Yoke's claims on the
1000 Shot Plus lube.  To the point where some of us now call them
Ox-Joke. With any of my three BP rifles "an historic feat" is getting the
4th ball down the bore without resorting to a bigger hammer.
I'll run you through the full story since the snow has started to fall.
Lets go back to the early 1980's.

A shooter/buckskinner by the name of Young, living in California, went
to the range one day and forgot his patch lube.  In utter desperation he
whips out a tube of Chap-Stick and smears it on a few patches.  Lo &
Behold it worked better than the lube he had been using.  Several of his
buddies tried his idea and reported it worked well.  So Young then
tracked down the source of Chap- Stick which is a common lip balm
formulation that has been floating around since the late 19th century.
Chap-Stick is petrolatum (petroleum jelly) with 5% cetyl alcohol and
water.  The cetyl alcohol acting as the emulsifyer. With the cetyl
alcohol the water forms minute beads within the petrolatum. Without the
cetyl alcohol you can't get the water to mix in any way with the
petrolatum.  Huge quantities of cetyl alcohol are used in the production
of PVC emulsion resins used in kitchen flooring.  (My old job was as an
R&D
Tech. on these resins.)  The petrolatum is the moisture barrier and
carrier for a topical agent used to soothe chapped lips.  The water
emulsified into the petrolatum reduces the drag of the "stick" when you
apply it to your lips and acts as the moisturizing agent.  Young then
finds a place to buy Chap-Stick in bulk and packages it as Young Country
Arms 103 Lube.  That his lube and Chap->Stick are identical in every
respect, right down to the color, suggested he simply bought from the
makers of Chap-Stick in bulk quantities. Now Ted Bottomly had started
Ox-Yoke and made pre-cut patches and packs of patch cloth.  He wanted a
patch lube to round out his line.  He bought the first Ox-Yoke lube from
Young.  When I first saw them I was at the late C.P. Wood's house in West
Virginia.  Woody was looking at a 4 ounce container
of Young Country 103 and a 3 ounce container of Ox-Yoke's patch lube.
Both were identical in every respect, including color.  You paid the same
price for 3 ounces of Ox-Yoke's lube as you paid for  4 ounces of Young's
lube.  The logical conclusion would be that Ox-Yoke was buying from Young
and the missing ounce was Ox-Yoke's profit on the deal.

Both were advertising their respective lubes in the magazines.  Young
advertised that you could fire a hundred rounds without wiping the bore
with his lube.  Three months later, Ox-Yoke would advertise that when you
used their lube you could fire 200 rounds without wiping the bore.  The 3
month lag time in the mags being the lag time in getting adds scheduled.
This went on, each one upping the ante, so to speak.
Those of us connected with the Buckskin Report discussed this in letters
and thought it a great joke.

The others in the field at that time were Hodgdon with their "Spit-Patch"
which was nothing more than beeswax emulsified in water with a soap.
Then there was T/C Maxi-Lube which was nothing more than the same
petroleum grease they used to grease the bearings in their machines.
Blue and Grey products was selling an automotive wheel bearing grease
that had been pigmented, not dyed, blue. I receieved several letters from
Doc Carlson.  He was seeing BP muzzleloaders come into his shop with
balls or slugs stuck in the bore just ahead of the powder charge.  You
could not pull these projectiles by any normal method.
He would have to remove the breech plugs, pull the charge and beat them
out of the bore, toward the muzzle with a heavy rod and a hammer.  He
described the presence of a black tar-like film in the bore where the
projectiles had been frozen in place.  The common thread in this being
that the shooter had used one of the "petroleum-based"  lubes. I had to
explain to Doc that the petroleum greases were nothing more than
petroleum lubricating oils that had been "bodied" by the addition of
metallic soaps such as calcium or cadmium stearate.  With a petroleum
lubricating oil, or grease, anytime you heat them to a high temperature
in the presence of sulfur you get asphalt.  The way asphalts were
produced was to take crude oil and sulfur in an autoclave.  Heat the
mixture to 600 degrees for about 8 hours
and you had road tar.  Which is about what was happening in the gun.
Since the repackaged Chap-Stick was a petroleum wax it did not form
asphalt with sulfur and high temperatures. I then wrote an article for
the Backwoodsman magazine and compared the behavior of the two Chap-Stick
lubes to the behavior of sperm whale oil when it had been used in black
powder guns.

Well, Old Ted Bottomly jumped right onto that one.  three months later
he starts advertising that his lube is "all-natural, non-petroleum" and
authentic, using what our ancesters had used.  At that point I figured
his parents were to Christian to call him asshole so they settled for
Bottomly.  By about 1984, Bottomly and Young had a falling out over
pricing.  The one ounce shy thing with Ox-Yoke pushed most of the
customers to Young's lube. Same thing, same price but more of it with
Young Country 103.  And by this time we were up to 800 rounds between
swabbings.  Technology marches on. Bottomy came out with his first Wonder
Lube.  Years of research went into this lube, or so he claimed.  Now at
this time Ox-Yoke was located in West Suffield, CT.  A short time later I
was searching the drugstore shelves looking for petrolatum-based skin
care products or salves that I coulde repackage and become a millionaire
<vbg>.  I spotted this tube of something
called "Mineral Ice".  Menthol in petrolatum.  Made by a Dermatone
Laboratories located in Suffield, CT.  Out comes the map.  just by a
mere coincidence both companies were located just across the river from
each other. This of course raised doubts as to the "years of research"
comments out of Bottomly. The new Wonder Lube went into the lab.  Proved
to be mineral oil, paraffin wax, a yellow dye and oil of wintergreen.  A
book at work on fats, waxes and oils nailed this one down to a common
chest rub preparation for those with head colds who could not tolerate
camphorated oil. Again it was billed as "all-natural and non-petroleum".
Never mind that paraffin wax comes from paraffinic crude oils and mineral
oil comes from napthenic crude oils, the yellow dye and the oil of
wintergreen should convince anybody that it is all-natural and
non-petroleum. Given the wax and oil, I simply refer to this type of lube
as a remanufactured vaseline.  With the yellow dye the rubes will swear
it is beeswax.

One thing about con artists is that they are never content to leave a
con artest for any length of time.  In 1990, Bottomly comes out with a
new version called 1000 Shot Plus lube.  High-technology now made
possible a lube that eliminated fouling, eliminated the need to clean and
would totally stop bore corrosion. Bottomly searched the world for this
modern technology and found it in Germany after years of searching.  This
advance in this lube was made possible by this
secret micronizing agent.  It gave the lube a micron particle size that
made all of this advancement possible. At that point his chest thumping
ego trip gave away the formula.  This secret micronizing agent is no real
secret and has been around for over 100 years. It is nothing more than a
fossil wax mined in Germany.  The same time of wax used to be mined in
Utah as Utah Wax but the mine closed for lack of business.
Paraffin wax is a hard brittle wax that forms huge crystals.  When you
look at a block of paraffin wax sold for food canning you see lines on
the surface of the blocks of wax.  Those are the lines denoting crystal
size.  It had been found that if you added this fossil wax to paraffin
wax it would reduce the size of these crystals, though nowhere near a
micron in size.  Paraffin wax was limited in which skin care and salve
formulations it could be used in because of the macro-crystallinty of it.
 This made it unsuited to preparations where hardness and brittleness
were objectionable.  By using the fossiol wax addition the paraffin wax
could replace more expensive waxes in these products.  But when you lay
this type of Techno-Nonsense on a bunch of ignorant rube BP shooters they
will beat a path to your door, wallet in hand.

Now, to get back to an historic feat of 3 shots without swabbing the
bore. The problem with this type of lube is that as long as the surface
temperature of the bore is above the melting point of the wax, about 40
to 45 C, the fouling deposited by the combustion of the powder will slide
off the metal when pressure is applied to it.  When the surface
temperature of the bore is below the melting point of the wax it will act
as an adhesive and hold the fouling to the surface.  The unburned
charcaol in the powder fouling will adsorb most of the mineral oil
present in the lube.  This turns it into an oily sludge that simply
builds up in the breech with repeated loading of the gun.  After a few
rounds are fired in a flinter you have the oily sludge being blown out of
the vent which then coats the flint and frizzen.  Lubricated flints
strike no sparks.
Now for the real punch line.  With the addition of the micronizing agent
they doubled the amount of dye used so the new lube was more orange in
color, compared to the lemon yellow of the previous version, and they
doubled the amount of oil of wintergreen.  Convince the rubes that it is
now even more natural. During the past few years there has been much
bitching about the quality of Ox-Joke's pre-lubed patches.  I have seen
packs in the store where the lube had turned hard and brown.  The mineral
oil migrates out of the paraffin wax into the low density polyethlene
used in the bags.  This makes the lube hard and brittle.  It goes back to
paraffin wax properties.  With these an historic feat is getting the
second ball down the barrel without wiping. Ox-Joke supplies T/C with
Bore Butter which is only a slight  modification
of Ox-Joke's standard formula.

Remember the dbate about blowing down the barrel on the message boards.
My off line joke was that as long as you use the repackaged Chap-Stick as
a patch lube you would not get chapped lips from blowing down a cold
barrel.

Then their was Uncle Mike's Apple Green patch lube.  Another paraffin
 wax/mineral oil lube with methylsalicin in it.  Nothing more than a
repackaged arthritis salve.  I can tell you that is was very effective on
a knee suffereing degenerative joint disease. So if you are going to go
out in those North Woods in winter weather to hunt the elusive whitetail
you ought to take all three lubes along.  Prevent chapped lips, take care
of chest colds and arthritic joints from all of the hoofing through the
snow.  No reason for you to return home in anything less than the best of
health in spite ot the weather. Might be a good idea to take along one of
the ascorbic acid-based powders since that is vitamin C.  Then Goex's
sugar-based powder might make an emergency trail food.

I joke with Dixon that it is bad enough we have to deal with the ATF,
what next with these products, the Food and Drug Administration too???
Well, time to go sit out on the deck for a smoke and listen to the snow
flakes fall.

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:50:31 -0600
From: "Brian McNutt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question

Ohio---Oklahoma; same thing, more or less..............

Brian

- -----Original Message-----
From: sean <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question


>Hmmmm.... I think Ohio is in the NE part of Texas....
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:56:36 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

That's some now!  Don't know if it'd be heaven or hell to be the only
mountain MAN to stumble up on those doins!

Wagh!  Medicine Bear

Barbara Smith wrote:

> Well, being one of the ladies with too damn much stuff, I just couldn't
> keep quiet any longer. I'm trying to get better (i.e., lighter and
> less), but what works for men folks don't always work for usens.  Which
> leads me to my question:
> Any women reading this list who would be interested in attending a doins
> just for women?  Two years back Elk Woman and Barefoot Woman (former Hyu
> Eenas) held "A Gathering of Women" on Mt. Rainier. I couldn't attend due
> to work, but I've heard great stories of a wonderful week on the
> mountain, with classes and seminars, and plenty of opportunity to
> practice skills away from critical eyes.  I'm trying like hell to get
> them to do another one.  I've been mentored by men for the past five
> years, and while I dearly love my running buddies, I need to know some
> things that men just don't care about!  If there's any women out there
> interested, please email me directly.
>
> Capt. Lahti, it was great meeting you at Enumclaw! Chris and I sure
> enjoyed the parched corn.  I can testify for the binding qualities - but
> you really don't want to hear about it!  As for swimming across the
> creek naked for chocolate, I'd really be much more interested if you'd
> put the chocolate in one of Tom's lovely copper boilers!  By the way,
> what can we women put up to intice you fellas to make the return trip in
> the buff?

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:20:31 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I have worked for several years on lubricants for muzzle loading rifles
> and just recieved this from a good friend of mine and he asked me to
> comment on it and provide my input---he has used my lubricant for
> competative shooting and will not use anything else to shoot and to clean
> with--i thought it would be a good subject to start a good discussion
> about---and the pro's and con's of the different type of lubricants and
> what is the majority of the peoples preference in a lubricant.  I know we
> have had some discussion in the past so this may add to the base of
> knowledge---it was real interesting to me and brought  out some
> interesting points---my personal feeling is there is a difference in
> patch lubricants depending on hunting and target shooting---yet you must
> have one you can do both with and not have to rezero your gun for eather
> type of shooting---have tried everything including the web terry teflon
> ticking and each has its place in different types of shooting and
> requirements.

[snip]

Mark DeWilde and I worked on our lube for about 2 years.  By the way, you are
QUITE right about the other lubes you mentioned!  Ours has NO petro. products,
molly, telflon, nor any other 20th century "wonder" ingredients.  We don't make
any special claims for it, except that it works better for us than anything else
we've tried, and those who've used it and have reported back to us, claim the
same thing.  Outside of that, it's got a better name than the rest of em.<g>

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:20:51 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

*chuckles*... Remember the stories of whatthe Indian Women did to men? Need
I say more, Bear??  hehe...

Little Wolf

- -----Original Message-----
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women


>That's some now!  Don't know if it'd be heaven or hell to be the only
>mountain MAN to stumble up on those doins!
>
>Wagh!  Medicine Bear
>
>Barbara Smith wrote:
>
>> Well, being one of the ladies with too damn much stuff, I just couldn't
>> keep quiet any longer. I'm trying to get better (i.e., lighter and
>> less), but what works for men folks don't always work for usens.  Which
>> leads me to my question:
>> Any women reading this list who would be interested in attending a doins
>> just for women?  Two years back Elk Woman and Barefoot Woman (former Hyu
>> Eenas) held "A Gathering of Women" on Mt. Rainier. I couldn't attend due
>> to work, but I've heard great stories of a wonderful week on the
>> mountain, with classes and seminars, and plenty of opportunity to
>> practice skills away from critical eyes.  I'm trying like hell to get
>> them to do another one.  I've been mentored by men for the past five
>> years, and while I dearly love my running buddies, I need to know some
>> things that men just don't care about!  If there's any women out there
>> interested, please email me directly.
>>
>> Capt. Lahti, it was great meeting you at Enumclaw! Chris and I sure
>> enjoyed the parched corn.  I can testify for the binding qualities - but
>> you really don't want to hear about it!  As for swimming across the
>> creek naked for chocolate, I'd really be much more interested if you'd
>> put the chocolate in one of Tom's lovely copper boilers!  By the way,
>> what can we women put up to intice you fellas to make the return trip in
>> the buff?
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:30:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

fred what kind of lube are you talking about---go offline and give me
some more info---

"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:31:29 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

I'm a keepin' my scalp covered on this one Sean...and wearin' my fastest mocs
too!  But jes between us fellers...kinda sets a coon to dreamin'!

MB

sean wrote:

> *chuckles*... Remember the stories of whatthe Indian Women did to men? Need
> I say more, Bear??  hehe...
>
> Little Wolf
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:56 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women
>
> >That's some now!  Don't know if it'd be heaven or hell to be the only
> >mountain MAN to stumble up on those doins!
> >
> >Wagh!  Medicine Bear
> >
> >Barbara Smith wrote:
> >
> >> Well, being one of the ladies with too damn much stuff, I just couldn't
> >> keep quiet any longer. I'm trying to get better (i.e., lighter and
> >> less), but what works for men folks don't always work for usens.  Which
> >> leads me to my question:
> >> Any women reading this list who would be interested in attending a doins
> >> just for women?  Two years back Elk Woman and Barefoot Woman (former Hyu
> >> Eenas) held "A Gathering of Women" on Mt. Rainier. I couldn't attend due
> >> to work, but I've heard great stories of a wonderful week on the
> >> mountain, with classes and seminars, and plenty of opportunity to
> >> practice skills away from critical eyes.  I'm trying like hell to get
> >> them to do another one.  I've been mentored by men for the past five
> >> years, and while I dearly love my running buddies, I need to know some
> >> things that men just don't care about!  If there's any women out there
> >> interested, please email me directly.
> >>
> >> Capt. Lahti, it was great meeting you at Enumclaw! Chris and I sure
> >> enjoyed the parched corn.  I can testify for the binding qualities - but
> >> you really don't want to hear about it!  As for swimming across the
> >> creek naked for chocolate, I'd really be much more interested if you'd
> >> put the chocolate in one of Tom's lovely copper boilers!  By the way,
> >> what can we women put up to intice you fellas to make the return trip in
> >> the buff?
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:47:42 -0800
From: Butch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

Frank wrote:
>
> I'm a keepin' my scalp covered on this one Sean...and wearin' my fastest mocs
> too!  But jes between us fellers...kinda sets a coon to dreamin'!
>
> MB
>
> sean wrote:
>
> > *chuckles*... Remember the stories of whatthe Indian Women did to men? Need
> > I say more, Bear??  hehe...
> >
> > Little Wolf
> >

> >
> > >That's some now!  Don't know if it'd be heaven or hell to be the only
> > >mountain MAN to stumble up on those doins!
> > >
> > >Wagh!  Medicine Bear



    One would think y'all had never heard of sentries....Armed sentries....

    Butch

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:45:11 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

Barbara Smith wrote:

>  I need to know some
> things that men just don't care about!

Barbara,

How do you know we don't care?

>
>
> Capt. Lahti, it was great meeting you at Enumclaw!

And you!

> Chris and I sure
> enjoyed the parched corn.  I can testify for the binding qualities - but
> you really don't want to hear about it!

It's called "Sitting Bull's Revenge"! Men and women aren't that different!
I've heard it.

>  As for swimming across the
> creek naked for chocolate, I'd really be much more interested if you'd
> put the chocolate in one of Tom's lovely copper boilers!

If that is what it takes to get the gals to swim the lake, I'll talk to Tom.

>  By the way,
> what can we women put up to intice you fellas to make the return trip in
> the buff?

Well I, being the guy that I am, can imagine an appropriate incentive but I
doubt any of us could collect once we made it over! <G> Course you knew
that. I'll remain on my side of the lake and remain.......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:46:33 -0800
From: Pat Laughlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

yes, would love a ladies get together.  Seems like we do the planning
packing and spend the time getting the guys ready.  Would be fun to do it
for us only.

Barbara Smith wrote:

> Well, being one of the ladies with too damn much stuff, I just couldn't
> keep quiet any longer. I'm trying to get better (i.e., lighter and
> less), but what works for men folks don't always work for usens.  Which
> leads me to my question:
> Any women reading this list who would be interested in attending a doins
> just for women?  Two years back Elk Woman and Barefoot Woman (former Hyu
> Eenas) held "A Gathering of Women" on Mt. Rainier. I couldn't attend due
> to work, but I've heard great stories of a wonderful week on the
> mountain, with classes and seminars, and plenty of opportunity to
> practice skills away from critical eyes.  I'm trying like hell to get
> them to do another one.  I've been mentored by men for the past five
> years, and while I dearly love my running buddies, I need to know some
> things that men just don't care about!  If there's any women out there
> interested, please email me directly.
>
> Capt. Lahti, it was great meeting you at Enumclaw! Chris and I sure
> enjoyed the parched corn.  I can testify for the binding qualities - but
> you really don't want to hear about it!  As for swimming across the
> creek naked for chocolate, I'd really be much more interested if you'd
> put the chocolate in one of Tom's lovely copper boilers!  By the way,
> what can we women put up to intice you fellas to make the return trip in
> the buff?

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:48:06 -0800
From: Pat Laughlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Gathering of Women

Butch, bet we'd have a hard time keeping it to ladies only.  Bet some of you guys
would just have to peek and see what we all up to.  (Smiling)

Butch wrote:

> Frank wrote:
> >
> > I'm a keepin' my scalp covered on this one Sean...and wearin' my fastest mocs
> > too!  But jes between us fellers...kinda sets a coon to dreamin'!
> >
> > MB
> >
> > sean wrote:
> >
> > > *chuckles*... Remember the stories of whatthe Indian Women did to men? Need
> > > I say more, Bear??  hehe...
> > >
> > > Little Wolf
> > >
>
> > >
> > > >That's some now!  Don't know if it'd be heaven or hell to be the only
> > > >mountain MAN to stumble up on those doins!
> > > >
> > > >Wagh!  Medicine Bear
>
>         One would think y'all had never heard of sentries....Armed sentries....
>
>         Butch

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:44:36 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

Fred,

I am also wondering what kind of lube your are talking about.  I am looking
for a lube that is not store bought but rather made.  I am kind of
simplifying the shooting by just buying tickling for patches not the pre cut
and would like a good lube also.

Thanks

Frank
[e-mail]




At 12:30 AM 3/17/99 EST, you wrote:
>fred what kind of lube are you talking about---go offline and give me
>some more info---
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:55:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question

In a message dated 99-03-16 23:09:23 EST, you write:

<< Tell you all what... if you want a page just to pit pix on, I'll set upa
 "backdoor" page on my Ronnyvous web site that only we will have the URL
 to...  Email me pix and a description and I'll put them on it...

 Let me know if any of you want me to do that...

 Addison Miller >>

i do! i do! ........... i'll send you copies of the photos early next
week...... getting ready to go to Kalamazoo gun show tomorrow so i don't have
time tonight to get the pix off to you!
kinjano

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:05:00 -0600
From: "Austin, Tim" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lube

Have been using a lube produced by a guy in the Dallas/Fort Worth area for
years and it is great.  He says there is nothing in it that was not readily
available prior to 1840.  He is in Commanche Peak Muzzleloaders.  I do not
have the name of the stuff here with me, will look it up tonight and send it
tomorrow if anyone interested.  His name is Jean Hyde or something like
that.  Others on the list might know of him and what I am speaking of.
Anyway, works really good, and is easier to me just to cut strips of 100%
thin cotton, and grease them myself.

Tim Austin

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