>Just joined the list, and wanted to say hi. [blah, blah, blah]
>Thanks!
>Brian
Brian,
If you want to learn a bit more about the Rocky Mtn Fur trade era, tune in
the History Channel (if you have cable) on Saturday night March 20, at 7:00
Central time for a 2 hour special on the Mountain Men. A few of us, myself
included, are in it. AMM listserv pals Dean Rudy and "Teton" Todd Glover
were involved, too.
The producers used Fred Gowans, Bob Utley, and Myself as talking heads,
while several of our Rondy colleagues appear in living history demo scenes
filmed in the Pinedale, Wyoming area. Utley was interviewed in his house,
then we drove to Jourdan-Bachman Pioneer Farm for a rustic location to
shoot me (and hide the body, ha-ha). I was filmed doing some fur trade era
material culture show and tell, using my own stuff. I flew to Austin with
two duffel bags full of stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing what they cut
out.
I hope everyone enjoys the show. Blame the producers for all the mistakes.
:-)
If you're ever out Lubbock way, stop by. I can share years of fur trade
era (among other periods) living history experience with you. I was in the
Civil War reenactment at Weatherford last October. Give me a call if
you're ever out this way.
Cheers,
HBC
****************************************
Henry B. Crawford Box 43191
Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University
mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191
806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136
Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
****** Living History . . . Because It's There ******
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:17:39 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tinware
Lee Newbill wrote:
> Another question on Tinware, the bottom seam of my 20 year old drinking
> cup is now "seeping". How does one fix that using period materials?
Lee,
Enjoyed seeing you at the Gun Show. Wish you had brought this up over there
and I would have liked to see your cup to see what you are working with. It
may be possible to "tighten it up" with some judicious plyer work but I
suspect you will have to do some careful soldering. Big problem with
resoldering is getting the metal clean enough to take the solder and NOT
getting the rest of the vessel so hot that the other seams come apart.
If you have a rust spot that is leaking, you may be in big trouble cause it
will be hard to get at the rust to clean it all. If the seams on your cup
are not double crimped like that copper pot you got from me you will have a
hell of a time keeping them from falling apart when you apply the heat to
fix that leaky spot.
With no rust and a well crimped cup, wash the inside with liquid flux.
Don't use very much, just enough to get the metal clean. Use silver bearing
lead free solder and a very directional heat source to direct the heat
right at the area you need to repair. (you might set the pot on a sheet of
thick steel and heat the steel so you aren't using direct flame). Make a
small swab of course steel wool on stiff wire to swab the solder into the
bottom joint and spread it around so it doesn't build up too thick. Put
some flux on the swabs so it will hold a bit of solder.
Heat cup at repair site carefully and slowly. Test often to see when solder
will flow. Create a small puddle of solder at site that is showing that it
has adhered to the metal and not just beading up. Swish it around the area
of the repair. Pour and wipe out excess with steel wool. That should do it.
Let me know if you have any questions or problems. I remain......
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:23:48 -0500
From: "Paul Mueller" <pmueller@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HBC colored blankets
The so called purple HBC blankets are what they used to call plum. Purple
point blankets were made only for the royal family as it is the royal family
color. the plum blankets were stopped being made in the 70'S as for the
orange point blankets i have never seen any and i have asked witney about
makeing them and their reply was orange is the kings color.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Allen Chronister <almont@mt.net>
To: chat <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 10:54 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: HBC colored blankets
>Re: Purple HBC blankets, I too have seen them. By that I
>mean purple blankets with a dark stripe at each end, point
>marks, and the HBC label sewn on. Blankets sold under the
>HBC label in the 20th century have come in a variety of
>colors, some of which have not lasted too long. A light
>brown comes to mind. At a rendezvous in Whoming in the
>early 70s a trader had bright hunters orange HBC-brand
>blankets and a sales pitch that they made great capotes to
>hunt in. According to him, "all the guys up in Montana are
>using them." I'd never seen one up here before or since.
>Fairly strange looking items, they were.
>Allen Chronister
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:00:46 EST
From: Traphand@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: More on War of 1812 Symposium
War of 1812 Symposium
March 28-29, 1999
General Daniel Bissell House
10225 Bellefontaine Road
St. Louis, MO 63137
(314) 868-0973
FREE!!
Schedule:
Saturday:
9AM--The Detroit Campaign, by Thomas G. Shaw, Minnesota Historical
Society and assistant site director of Historic Fort Snelling. Thomas, his
wife and son, reside in Minneapolis, MN
.
10AM--Women Captives of the Fort Dearborn Massacre, by Sally E.
Bennett, author and MA & MFA candidate. Sally has researched Fort
Dearborn for over 15 years. She resides in Collinsville, Illinois with her
family.
11AM--Ambush at Loutre Creek: The Death of Captain James Callaway,
Missouri Ranger, by Michael D. Harris. A history teacher and an expert
on War of 1812 forts in Missouri, Mike, his wife and three daughters
reside in Rolla, Missouri.
1:30PM--Artillery in the War of 1812, by Paul R. Rosewitz, Captain U.S.
Army. An assistant Professor of Military Science at Kemper Military School
and Junior College, Paul, his wife and three daughters reside in Bonnville,
Missouri.
2:30PM--Military River Boats on the Missouri, Illinois, and Mississippi
Rivers,
by Ronald ABrunnert, past president of teh Fort Belle Fontaine Historical
Society. Ron and his wife resides in St. Charles, Missouri.
3:30PM--Fort Russell, Illinois Territory, by Carl Lossau, a retired
professor
from Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville. Carl and his wife
resides
in Edwardsville, Illinois.
Sunday:
9AM--Blood Sport: Cock Fighting, by Tony Gerard, a teacher at a Junior
College, Tony has spent many years researching historic breeds of
chickens. Tony resides in Vienna, Illinois.
10AM--A Stand of Arms, by Thomas Verdot. A violin maker and a gun
smith for many years, Tom resides in Jefferson City, Missouri.
11AM--The United States Dragoons in the War of 1812, by Stephen J. Allie,
Director of the Frontier Army Museum, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.
Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, feel free to call me
at (314) 349-0855.
Rick
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:22:22 -0700
From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:purple hudson bay blankets
From _Blackfeet: Artists of the Northern Plains_, by Bob Scriver (Lowell
Press, Kansas City, 1990; ISBN 0-932845-38-X), p. 167:
"The purple blanket on the left was a present from my good friend, Many
Victories Woman, Mae Williamson. She was the official interpreter for the
[Blackfeet] tribe and was given this rare royal purple four-point blanket in
honour of the Queen's coronation."
Only a small bit of the blanket is shown; it's purple, all right. The
coronation was in 1958 or 1959, which fits fairly well with your timeline.
The bar is white instead of black.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
>>anyone out there have information about "purple" hudson bay blankets--in
a heated discusson about them but have no documentation for support---I
have 2 of them both 6 point---have never seen any others ---got them from
my aunt marie in vancover back in about 1962....she had them on order for over
18 months before she got them---been told by a bunch of people that there
is no such thing as "purple" hudson bay blankets "<<
agottfre@telusplanet.net
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:39:03 -0800
From: Tom Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hunting Pouch
In my search for examples of an authentic hunting pouch to recreate (RM
fur trade era), the best (and only good pictoral) reference I have found
is Madison Grant's book "The Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch" (I think
that's the accurate title - if not, it's close) via interlibrary loan.
There are numerous examples which are dated to the appropriate
timeframe. The problem is that, in spite of the (b&w) photographs,
there is a lack of technical detail from which to base a reproduction.
Most of the several examples whose general shape appeal to me are
described as being made of calfskin and further described by their
general overall (L x W) dimension but that is the end of the details.
What I can find as calfskin is extremely thin and I question it's
durability. Is this stuff really suitable? Does anyone know a source
of greater printed technical detail or do I need to actually find an
original who's keeper is willing to allow a "hands-on" examination?
Tom
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:40:49 EST
From: KINJANO@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
hello...... i am a first time post-er!
i have a question that i hope you might be able to answer.
on our property we have an earthern "lodge", "hut", whatever you would like to
call it. it is a room built back into a large hill. the southern face of it
is made of large logs. it has no window, only a wooden plank door on forged
iron pin-hinges. it's a very neat kind of thing, but we are looking for
references to what a "trappers lodge" or fur-trade trading post of this sort
might have looked like or had for accoutrements. i have looked up "the museum
of the fur trade" on the web, but alas it does not provide any kind of
resource information about the actual structure and what it would have looked
like doing it's heyday....... can anyone recommend good books about this
subject??
thanks much
kinjano
------------------------------
Date: 15 Mar 99 21:11:30 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question
Reply to: RE: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question
Wilson Price Hunt in 1810, met two men, Benjamin Jones and Alexander =
Carson who had been in the mountains since 1808. They turned around and =
went upriver with Hunt. He later met 3 men also heading back to the =
settlements who turned around upriver, Edward Robinson, John Hoback & =
Jacob Rizner. These were described as Kentucky hunters and Robinson was =
66 years old.
DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
Pulakabayo wrote:
>Hello the list!
>
>Back when I was on the list about a year ago (before I accidentally kilt =
my
>computer) someone mentioned that they had run across a source whereas a =
party
>in the early fur trade era was heading into the mountains. They needed =
guides,
>and they wound up hiring two Virginia longhunters who were on their way =
out of
>the mountains to guide them in.
>
>Anyone know where I ought to be looking for such an incident?
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:22:38 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hunting Pouch
Tom Roberts wrote:
> In my search for examples of an authentic hunting pouch to recreate (RM
> <snip> The problem is that, in spite of the (b&w) photographs,
> there is a lack of technical detail from which to base a reproduction.
> <snip>
> What I can find as calfskin is extremely thin and I question it's
> durability. Is this stuff really suitable?
Tom,
Many of the pouches I see that are home made today use way too heavy a grade
of leather. Many old pouches and the nicer reproductions are usually lined
with cloth of some type like pillow ticking or heavy linen. The calf skin
may be just fine if it is backed with cloth.
> Does anyone know a source
> of greater printed technical detail or do I need to actually find an
> original who's keeper is willing to allow a "hands-on" examination?
You can find some good construction details in the BOB series and in the
Sketch Book series. Take those construction details and adapt them to the
designs and styles you see in Madison Grant's book. Should end up with a
nice pouch. I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:27:35 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question
Phyllis and Don Keas wrote:
> Reply to: RE: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question
> Wilson Price Hunt in 1810, met two men, Benjamin Jones and Alexander Carson who had been in the mountains since 1808. They turned around and went upriver with Hunt. He later met 3 men also heading back to the settlements who turned around upriver, Edward Robinson, John Hoback & Jacob Rizner. These were described as Kentucky hunters and Robinson was 66 years old.
>
> DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
Don and Phyllis,
Thanks for diging a bit deeper. I intend to save this little post to remind me that "long hunters" were in the mountains much earlier than many wish to believe. I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:27:11 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
Sounds like you have a "dugout" house. It was a fairly common building =
practice where timber was scarce. I am sure your local library has =
plenty of books about them. Sounds plenty neat. Lots of terriffic =
artifacts turn up around such structures. Borrow or buy a good metal =
detector and search carefully all around. Find the old outhouse pit, =
too. Lots of goodies can be found there....particularly old liquor =
bottles. Lots of women forbad their men to drink and the men that drank =
anyhow would dispose of the empty bottles down the hole in the outhouse. =
Where do you live?
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: KINJANO@aol.com <KINJANO@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 10:02 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
>hello...... i am a first time post-er! =20
>
>i have a question that i hope you might be able to answer.
>
>on our property we have an earthern "lodge", "hut", whatever you would =
like to
>call it. it is a room built back into a large hill. the southern face =
of it
>is made of large logs. it has no window, only a wooden plank door on =
forged
>iron pin-hinges. it's a very neat kind of thing, but we are looking =
for
>references to what a "trappers lodge" or fur-trade trading post of this =
sort
>might have looked like or had for accoutrements. i have looked up "the =
museum
>of the fur trade" on the web, but alas it does not provide any kind of
>resource information about the actual structure and what it would have =
looked
>like doing it's heyday....... can anyone recommend good books about =
this
>subject??
>
>thanks much
>kinjano
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:20:08 EST
From: KINJANO@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
In a message dated 99-03-16 07:19:51 EST, you write:
<< Sounds like you have a "dugout" house. It was a fairly common building
practice where timber was scarce. I am sure your local library has plenty of
books about them. Sounds plenty neat. Lots of terriffic artifacts turn up
around such structures. Borrow or buy a good metal detector and search
carefully all around. Find the old outhouse pit, too. Lots of goodies can be
found there....particularly old liquor bottles. Lots of women forbad their
men to drink and the men that drank anyhow would dispose of the empty bottles
down the hole in the outhouse. Where do you live?
Lanney Ratcliff >>
Lanney, thanks for the reply! unfortunately this is not an "old" structure.
it was built only 7 years ago... and it is in northwest ohio........ i only
wish it was out west and a century old....... what a neat treat that would be.
anyway it was built by a group of mt. men/reenactors as part of a living
history educational center and it has never been appointed like it should be
for what it is supposed to represent. that is why i am looking for reference
books on furnishings, decorations, accoutrements, etc. for a shelter such as
this......... although i suppose info on prairie cabins/settlements might come
close, i just thought there might be more pointed kinds of references that
would help.
i'll keep you posted as to how it goes.
also, is there a page for posting gifs....... i would love to send in a photo
of this dugout cabin...... but if this list is like others i subscribe to,
then some of you won't appreciate jpeg attachments.
let me know
kinjano
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:41:16 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
Siyo,
Put your pic up on your site then send the url to the list, and we can take
a gander.
YMOS
Lonewolf
- -----Original Message-----
From: KINJANO@aol.com <KINJANO@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new to list and have a question
>In a message dated 99-03-16 07:19:51 EST, you write:
>
><< Sounds like you have a "dugout" house. It was a fairly common building
>practice where timber was scarce. I am sure your local library has plenty
of
>books about them. Sounds plenty neat. Lots of terriffic artifacts turn up
>around such structures. Borrow or buy a good metal detector and search
>carefully all around. Find the old outhouse pit, too. Lots of goodies can
be
>found there....particularly old liquor bottles. Lots of women forbad their
>men to drink and the men that drank anyhow would dispose of the empty
bottles
>down the hole in the outhouse. Where do you live?
> Lanney Ratcliff >>
>
>Lanney, thanks for the reply! unfortunately this is not an "old"
structure.
>it was built only 7 years ago... and it is in northwest ohio........ i only
>wish it was out west and a century old....... what a neat treat that would
be.
>
>anyway it was built by a group of mt. men/reenactors as part of a living
>history educational center and it has never been appointed like it should
be
>for what it is supposed to represent. that is why i am looking for
reference
>books on furnishings, decorations, accoutrements, etc. for a shelter such
as
>this......... although i suppose info on prairie cabins/settlements might
come
>close, i just thought there might be more pointed kinds of references that
>would help.
>
>i'll keep you posted as to how it goes.
>
>also, is there a page for posting gifs....... i would love to send in a
photo
>of this dugout cabin...... but if this list is like others i subscribe to,
>then some of you won't appreciate jpeg attachments.
>
>let me know
>kinjano
>
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