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hist_text-digest         Monday, March 8 1999         Volume 01 : Number 251




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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:46:14 +1300
From: Duncan Macready <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

>I have been asked to pass on the following message from Gary Howat the
President of the New Zealand Black Powder Shooters Federation ,
>
>>In New Zealand we will be the first country to see the sun rise on the
>>new milleniumn and to help celebrate it we are holding our eighteenth
>>Mountain Man Shoot and rendezvous on the East Coast of the North Island
>>at a little place called Wakarara, south east of Napier, the nearest city.
>>The NZ Black Powder Shooters Federation is planning to shoot into the
>>new milleniumn and we welcome any interested parties from anywere in the
>>world who wish to come.It will be a party and celebration not to be
>>missed especially as it will be our eighteenth succesful rendezvous.
>>If anyone wants more details please email Gary Howat at  [e-mail]
>
>We will try to have full TV coverage of a volley fire of muzzle loading
firearms being fired at a splitsecond past Midnight so that the first shots
fired in the new Millennium are ML and not Suppository.[We have a club
member who is a producer for 60 Minuets]
>YMOS
>Cutfinger
>
>

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:13:09 -0600
From: Bishnow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I once read in some book or the other, "that everything in Texas, either
> stings, sticks or stinks."  Hmmmm?
>
> Lil griz
Everything in Texas either bites, sticksor stings. And if you kill
one rattlesnake that means you only have about 999,999 left.

From the Heart of Texas
Snakeshot

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:38:02 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<>new milleniumn >>

Which begins on Jan.1,2001
        Dick

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:51:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Duncan, Don't wanna split hairs or cause a furor, but which millenium are you
celebrating? The one CREATED by the advertising/sales media or the real one?
Please don't join in the ridiculous hype created and perpetrated by people
trying to scam money for cruises, outrageously expensive vacations, bogus
souveniers, etc.  Even my 8 year old nephew knows that two thousand years from
the year 1 is the year 2001.  YHS,  Barney P. Fife

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:14:44 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Duncan (and Gary)

What a cool idea.  Our local blackpowder group is doing the same thing.
Wish I could come.

Sidney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Macready <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:46 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000


>
>>I have been asked to pass on the following message from Gary Howat the
>President of the New Zealand Black Powder Shooters Federation ,
>>
>>>In New Zealand we will be the first country to see the sun rise on the
>>>new milleniumn and to help celebrate it we are holding our eighteenth
>>>Mountain Man Shoot and rendezvous on the East Coast of the North Island
>>>at a little place called Wakarara, south east of Napier, the nearest
city.
>>>The NZ Black Powder Shooters Federation is planning to shoot into the
>>>new milleniumn and we welcome any interested parties from anywere in the
>>>world who wish to come.It will be a party and celebration not to be
>>>missed especially as it will be our eighteenth succesful rendezvous.
>>>If anyone wants more details please email Gary Howat at
[e-mail]
>>
>>We will try to have full TV coverage of a volley fire of muzzle loading
>firearms being fired at a splitsecond past Midnight so that the first shots
>fired in the new Millennium are ML and not Suppository.[We have a club
>member who is a producer for 60 Minuets]
>>YMOS
>>Cutfinger
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 10:15:08 +1300
From: Duncan Macready <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

At 02:51 PM 3/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Duncan, Don't wanna split hairs or cause a furor, but which millenium are you
>celebrating? The one CREATED by the advertising/sales media or the real one?
>Please don't join in the ridiculous hype created and perpetrated by people
>trying to scam money for cruises, outrageously expensive vacations, bogus
>souveniers, etc.  Even my 8 year old nephew knows that two thousand years
from
>the year 1 is the year 2001.  YHS,  Barney P. Fife
>
Dosn't matter , we can do it 2 years in a row ,we allways have a Rondy at
that time of year ,[our summer],
What ever the semantics of the date are ,we will be the first people in the
World to fire a shot, [and it will be black powder ], or any other human
activity you can think of, if you arn't here you miss out , it's all hair
splitting any way you look at it, and is just a good excuse for a rip
roaring party, which it will be,and as what you say is technically correct
thats two parties, twice as much to look forward to,double the pleasure
double the fun and you get to fire two shots. <VBG>
YMOS
Dunc

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:47:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

wow Duncan. now it sounds too good to miss. shoot out the end of this century,
shoot in the new, shoot out the old millenium, shoot in the new, have new
years first in the world and jet-boat through the fire-fly caves.   WAUGH!  on
the phone booking those outrageously expensive reservations NOW!!!   thanks
for the enlightenment.  YHS,  Barney P. Fife

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:00:49 -0800
From: "John W. Stephens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Would it not have been more period-appropriate to send your message via
smoke signals, rather than the modern telephone? Not very good AMM
material, if'n you ask me ...

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> wow Duncan. now it sounds too good to miss. shoot out the end of this century,
> shoot in the new, shoot out the old millenium, shoot in the new, have new
> years first in the world and jet-boat through the fire-fly caves.   WAUGH!  on
> the phone booking those outrageously expensive reservations NOW!!!   thanks
> for the enlightenment.  YHS,  Barney P. Fife

- --
JW "LRay" Stephens

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:51:16 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Ok, dumb question.... how do you figure the new millenium starts in the year
2001???


- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000


>
>In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, [e-mail] writes:
>
><<>new milleniumn >>
>
>Which begins on Jan.1,2001
>        Dick
>
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:37:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

WOW, about time.  We been needing a good controversy!!! This should start a
good one...<GGG>   Here's my take on this issue: There was no calendar year
zero (0); the first year AD was the year one (1). That plus 999 more equal a
thousand (1000) years (a millenium), which ended in 000. Continuing forward
from there, using basic math, it can be deduced that the FIRST year of EVERY
millenium will end in 1, (1001, 2001,3001, etc, and the LAST year of every
millenium would end in 0.  i.e, 2000, 3000, etc.

Therefore, the year 2000 is the LAST YEAR of both this century (100 year
intervals) and the LAST YEAR of this millenium (thousand year intervals), and
the year 2001 is therefore the start of both a new centruy and a new
millenium.   Maybe it's easier understood with the use of centuries... the
18th Century was from 1701 THROUGH 1800, not 1700 through 1799.  Hope this
didn't create more confusion....  YHS, Barn.

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:44:12 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Yup!

Medicine Bear

[e-mail] wrote:

> WOW, about time.  We been needing a good controversy!!! This should start a
> good one...<GGG>   Here's my take on this issue: There was no calendar year
> zero (0); the first year AD was the year one (1). That plus 999 more equal a
> thousand (1000) years (a millenium), which ended in 000. Continuing forward
> from there, using basic math, it can be deduced that the FIRST year of EVERY
> millenium will end in 1, (1001, 2001,3001, etc, and the LAST year of every
> millenium would end in 0.  i.e, 2000, 3000, etc.
>
> Therefore, the year 2000 is the LAST YEAR of both this century (100 year
> intervals) and the LAST YEAR of this millenium (thousand year intervals), and
> the year 2001 is therefore the start of both a new centruy and a new
> millenium.   Maybe it's easier understood with the use of centuries... the
> 18th Century was from 1701 THROUGH 1800, not 1700 through 1799.  Hope this
> didn't create more confusion....  YHS, Barn.

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:51:21 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

sean wrote:

> Ok, dumb question.... how do you figure the new millenium starts in the year
> 2001???

Sean,

No dumb questions and this probably doesn't belong here but after all the
passage of time is the passage of history and this is the History List so.....

I too, thought the new Millennium started at the end of 1999 and the beginning
of the year 2000  at one time. I even went so far as to write a letter to a
nationally known "Genius" telling her she was wrong to say it didn't start until
Jan. 1, 2001. Then I sat down and tried to prove myself right on paper. Once I
had diagrammed it out on paper I realized that I was making a fool of myself by
believing next New Year was the start of the New Millennium. (not the first time
I have said something foolish) <BG> .

It becomes much clearer if you put it on paper but........

A millennium is 1000 years long.
The first millennium started at "0".
To count years we name them when they start not when they are complete.
From "0" to the end of that first year was called "1" AD even though it "really
wasn't a year gone by" until the end of that first year and only at the stroke
of midnight of that first year was it a full "Year One".
But at that moment in time it was "Year 2". And so on, and so on, etc. until we
arrive at where we are now.
Whether you speak of one year or 10 years or 100 years or 1000 years or 2000
years, you have to start at "0" and go until you have Completed the full
measure.
We won't complete a full measure of 2000 linear years until we get to the end of
the year 2000.

Another way to think of it is to replace "years" with say, inches or feet or
some other linear form of measure, money would be a good medium to use too. One
could say they were 'in' inch one at the 1/2" mark but they would not be 'at'
inch "one" until they had gone the distance. The same would apply to 2000
inches. You don't really have 2000 inches until you get to the end of the 2000th
inch. The same applies to years. You can substitute dollars for years. If you
are owed, say 2000 dollars, you surely would not concider that you had been
given what you were owed after recieveing only 1999 dollars. You would want that
last dollar and you would be entitled to it. Then once you had it in your hand
you realy would have 2000 dollars.

I probably am not the best at explaining this but it is true. What has happened
is simply that we have gotten caught up in the excitement and hype of the
milestone of the year 2000. It is a "magic" number and has always felt like it
should be a new beginning. But in truth it is really just the end. The end of
the 20th Century and a special occasion but not the first year of the New
Millennium, just the grand finale to the last Millennium.

So like I said, we should have a great time this coming New Years Eve and then
we will have a Really Grand Time the following New Years Eve. Sorry for taking
up band width on this subject. If any wish to talk of this further, we should
probably take it off list. I remain.......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'



>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000
>
> >
> >In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, [e-mail] writes:
> >
> ><<>new milleniumn >>
> >
> >Which begins on Jan.1,2001
> >        Dick
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:40:01 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Well, I cannot make the one in Australia, but if you guys want to meet a few of us
from Fla/Ga. we hold one near WAycross, Ga. on New years to not shoot but " blow
up" the New Year In.  Does that make any sense????  Our sight does not allow guns,
but we can bring as much fire works and gun powder to welcome in the new year.
Also as much food as you can stomach.  This last event had over 2 hours of fire
works. Home made and bought.  It was a wonderful sight.  And we are very safety
conscience.  No one blown up yet.  But a great party.  Many of us are safety
officers in black powder with the National Park service so we are not allowed to
blow our selves up.  If anyone is interested....let me know.

Linda Holley

[e-mail] wrote:

> wow Duncan. now it sounds too good to miss. shoot out the end of this century,
> shoot in the new, shoot out the old millenium, shoot in the new, have new
> years first in the world and jet-boat through the fire-fly caves.   WAUGH!  on
> the phone booking those outrageously expensive reservations NOW!!!   thanks
> for the enlightenment.  YHS,  Barney P. Fife

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:17:41 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

There are lots of arguments about this.  Some people believe that the =
year 2000 is the last year of the 20th century and that the 21st =
century, the next millennium, begins on January 1, 2001.  Others =
disagree, and believe that the next millennium begins on January 1, =
2000.  I believe the former but, what the hell, I am going to have a =
kick-ass party on Dec 31, 1999 and another on Dec 31, 2000, and maybe =
one the NEXT year, too.  That seems perfectly sensible to me.  Y'all =
come.....BYOB.
Lanney Ratcliff

- -----Original Message-----
From: sean <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000


>Ok, dumb question.... how do you figure the new millenium starts in the =
year
>2001???
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000
>
>
>>
>>In a message dated 3/6/99 2:46:59 AM, [e-mail] writes:
>>
>><<>new milleniumn >>
>>
>>Which begins on Jan.1,2001
>>        Dick
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:28:25 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

You can NEVER have too many parties!!!

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:06:55 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

In a message dated 3/7/99 2:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Y'all come.....BYOB. Lanney Ratcliff >>

 YEEEHAWWW Lanney. Best answer yet. You be sure and let us know what time and
where.   YHS, Barney P. Fife

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:23:58 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

my house, 'bout dark.
L
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000


>In a message dated 3/7/99 2:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, =
[e-mail]
>writes:
>
><< Y'all come.....BYOB. Lanney Ratcliff >>
>
> YEEEHAWWW Lanney. Best answer yet. You be sure and let us know what =
time and
>where.   YHS, Barney P. Fife
>

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:26:11 -0500
From: "LEWIS K RAPER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

How do I get to this 2000 rondy? It sounds like fun!!!-Possumhunter
"No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of
Anabaptist leader Hans Denk)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000


>Well, I cannot make the one in Australia, but if you guys want to meet a
few of us
>from Fla/Ga. we hold one near WAycross, Ga. on New years to not shoot but "
blow
>up" the New Year In.  Does that make any sense????  Our sight does not
allow guns,
>but we can bring as much fire works and gun powder to welcome in the new
year.
>Also as much food as you can stomach.  This last event had over 2 hours of
fire
>works. Home made and bought.  It was a wonderful sight.  And we are very
safety
>conscience.  No one blown up yet.  But a great party.  Many of us are
safety
>officers in black powder with the National Park service so we are not
allowed to
>blow our selves up.  If anyone is interested....let me know.
>
>Linda Holley

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:29:09 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Be there or be square, Ain't it so LR?

Sidney


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000


my house, 'bout dark.
L
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000


>In a message dated 3/7/99 2:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
>writes:
>
><< Y'all come.....BYOB. Lanney Ratcliff >>
>
> YEEEHAWWW Lanney. Best answer yet. You be sure and let us know what time
and
>where.   YHS, Barney P. Fife
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:44:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: : Rendezvous 2000

Gee, I think there should be a momentous rendezvous to celebrate the millenium
at Bents Fort or somewhere equally monumental.  Could celebrate with a jug of
Taos  lightening...then NO one would care if it began on 1/1/00 or 1/1/01

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 13:48:53 -0800
From: Mark Robbins <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Wire inlays

Im restocking my old CVA Mountian Rifle and I decided to try my hand at
putting in some wire inlays.

First I'd rather try it with this one (ie: cheap kit), rather thn my next
rifle I plan to build which will be much more complex.  (call it OJT)

Does anyone have any suggestions for a good drawing source online or books,
where I can get some ideas on patterns?

Thanks

Mark Robbins
Monroe, WA

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