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hist_text-digest       Monday, December 21 1998       Volume 01 : Number 200




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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:01:35 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period clothing

Matt,

I'm not as tired as I was last night when I first read this post so I would like
to take another stab at an answer.

Matt Richards wrote:

> Whats interesting to me in this discussion, is that I see many of the folks
> who I'm assuming have been doing this for a long time, easily coming to the
> conclusion that any ideas of altering period clothing as equalling the
> wholesale bastardization of what was worn. My guess is that this is a hot
> issue because so many folks do wholesale bastardizations, and that this is a
> long standing issue.

It can be a hot issue and perhaps got to be but one of the problems with the
course of the discussion is in fully understanding what some one is saying. I
assume you hear what I am saying and you assume I am hearing what you are
saying. Then I see something that makes me think you didn't hear and I talk
louder. Well, I wasn't thinking that "any ideas of altering period clothing as
equaling the wholesale bastardization of what was worn" was what was going on.
What I was advocating is simply to not think that we can alter period clothing
because we want to or think its better. If we want to be true to the idea of
historical reenacting we need to be a bit restrained in our zeal to make it
better unless we can show where or how that was done.

> The original context of this conversation was not the idea that one has the
> right to run 'willie-nillie' over period styles, but that perhaps mtn men of
> this era did alter some of their stuff to make it more practical for their
> immediate survival situations, within the context of period materials,
> technology and styles.

Well that is something else again entirely. "Within the context of period
materials, technology and styles", I thought was what I was advocating. Sorry if
that didn't come across. Again, though, I don't think it appropriate to assume
'they' did this because we might do it.

> This is a far jump from the defensive stances that I
> read several of you taking. If you could not lump this with the countless
> previous discussions you've perhaps had with folks who've wanted to just
> make what'ever the hell they want, and look at the actual context of the
> conversation, I think we would get farther with it.

Didn't mean to come on as defensive. If folks want to do their thing, they are
surely welcome. There is a price to pay sometimes for that and it is usually in
money wasted. I been doing this long enough to develop some strong opinions and
gain a little knowledge. I feel you and I have a right and obligation to share
our opinions and knowledge with anyone who cares to listen. I have enjoyed your
contributions to the conversation and only jumped in when I didn't agree with
what I was hearing. That hasn't been all that much either. Now back to the
disscusion at hand or have we beaten it to death for now? I remain........

Respectfully,
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
> In all due respect,
>
> Matt Richards
> www.braintan.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:51:38 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period tanning / Alans comments

John,

You mentioning "urine tan", years ago when Jack Gardener was building guns
for Dixie and seen on many pages of their catalog holding an assembled kit
gun, "that you could build", probably in the mid 60's.

I was visiting Jack at Union City (Dixie Gun Works), Jack wanted to show me
a mistake that Turner had made, "urine tan leather", you could smell it at
least a 100 yards away with the door closed, The Mexican garments are very
mild to this.

Buck


>RE: urine tan;  have you ever smelled cheap modern Mexican garment or
>upholstery leather after a rain storm?  They couldn't be using anything
else.
>I'll keep an eye out for the old reference buried somewhere in my piles of
>stuff.

>

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:38:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Deer Hunters Journal / Holiday Wish

We seen reports of some great hunt's this season... Here are the Journal
entries you didn't see....

 1:00 am - Alarm clock rings.
 2:00 am - Hunting partner arrives - drags you out of bed.
 3:00 am - Throw everything except the kitchen sink in the pickup.
 3:05 am - Leave for the deep woods.
 3:15 am - Drive back home and pick up gun.
 3:30 am - Drive like a bat outta hell to get to the woods before daylight.
 4:00 am - Set up camp - forgot the tent.
 4:30 am - Head into the woods.
 6:05 am - See eight deer.
 6:06 am - Take  aim and squeeze trigger.
 6:07 am - "Click."
 6:08 am - Load gun while  watching deer go over the hill.
 8:00 am - Head back to camp.
 9:00 am - Still looking for camp.
10:00 am - Realize you don't know where camp is.
      Noon - Fire gun for help - eat wild berries.
12:15 pm - Ran out of bullets - eight deer come back.
12:20 pm - Strange feeling in stomach.
12:30 pm - Realize you ate poison berries.
12:45 pm - Rescued.
12:55 pm - Rushed to hospital to have stomach pumped.
  3:00 pm - Arrived back in camp.
  3:30 pm - leave camp to kill deer.
  4:00 pm - Return to camp for bullets.
  4:01 pm - Load gun - leave camp again.
  5:00 pm - Empty gun on squirrel that's bugging you.
  6:00 pm - Arrive at camp - see deer grazing in camp.
  6:01 pm - Load gun.
  6:02 pm - Fire gun.
  6:03 pm - One dead pickup truck.
  6:05 pm - Hunting partner returns to camp dragging deer.
  6:06 pm - Repress strong desire to shoot partner.
  6:07 pm - Fall into fire.
  6:10 pm - Change clothes - throw burned ones into fire.
  6:15 pm - Take pickup - leave partner and his deer in the woods.
  6:25 pm - Pickup boils over - hole shot in block.
  6:26 pm - Start walking.
  6:30 pm - Stumble and fall - drop gun in the mud.
  6:35 pm - Meet bear.
  6:36 pm - Take aim.
  6:37 pm - Fire gun - blow up barrel plugged with mud.
  6:38 pm - Make mess in pants.
  6:39 pm - Climb  tree.
  9:00 pm - Bear departs - wrap  %&*$#@  gun around tree.
 Midnight  - Home at last.

WISHING ALL OF YOU AND YOURS A HEALTHY, HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON AND A VERY
PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.  THANKS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR SHARING THE YOUR
WEALTH OF INFORMATION WITH THIS PILGRIM.   yhs,  Ralph Rosen aka PJ aka Shoots
Himself, now most properly and deservedly named BARNEY P. FIFE

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:59:47 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: the season

All you folks out there who live in other climes
might note that it was -21 this early a.m.
up here in tropical Montana.
Enjoy wherever you are, but pass the word:  Its
too damn cold to live in Montana.
Allen Chronister

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