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hist_text-digest      Thursday, December 17 1998      Volume 01 : Number 198




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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:19:15 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HAPPY HOLIDAYS....

Addison Miller wrote:
>
> Leaving on Monday for the COLD midwest... Omaha, Nebraska... to spend
> Christmas with my inlaws.
>
> Wanted to wish everyone out there a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS, and a wonderful
> and prosperous 1999.

Thanks!  The same from us to you and yours!

Best,

Fred
__
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:04:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More on early tanneries

The following citations all come from "The Fur Trade," Vol. II, written by
Paul C. Phillips, University of Oklahoma Press, 1961.  While not as detailed
as one might like, these references establish that there was a lot of
"manufacturing" of leather products in America in its early years.   I'll keep
looking.

p. 120 - "During the early years of the republice, the fabrication of pelts
was an important industry.  Imports from Europe were scarce, and hats, shoes,
and clothing were produced almost entirely within the United States.  Textile
manufactures had not yet developed, and the chief raw material was the pelts
of animals.  Tanneries used deerskins for the manufacture of leather, and
these skins came from the South as well as from the country along the northern
Alleghenies."

p. 120 - The furriers and tanners of the day operated individually, on a small
scale.  But there were many of them - enough to supply the needs of the
country - and the aggregate of their business was large.  Their names have
mostly been forgotten, although the biographer of Astor has resurrected a
number of them who were associated with the great fur merchant in the early
years of his career.  These include Robert Browne, the Quaker merchant, Hayman
Levy, a Mr. Wilson, and Cornelius Heyer and Cornelius Heeney, who may have
been the same person."

p. 152 - "Philadelphia was second in importance to New York, in both trading
and manufacture of pelts.  It was the center of a long established tanning
industry, and used many deerskins."

p. - 161 - "Self-sufficiency had been forced on the country by a long period
of commercial restriction [due to the War of 1812].  As a result, manufactures
had developed, and among the important were manufactures from furs and skins.
Leather-tanning had expanded to a value of more than $12,000,000 a year and
used all the deerskins available."

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:30:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Some questions

You can buy seed for broom straw.  That's how it's sold.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:41:46 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks

OOOOOOoohhhhhh.... sorry..
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks


>That's "Etiquette" Dennis, not "you ett somethim."
>
>Buck
>___________________
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:45 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks
>
>
>>So THAT'S why I haven't been tossed off the list yet.. Well I'll be
didilly
>>damned!!<G>
>>
>>Dennis
>>
>>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 4:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks
>>
>>
>>>Etiquette??? what etiquette?  I didn't know we had any.  Thought this
>sight
>>was
>>>guided by freedoms of speech,  who had knowledge, big brass ones,
choices
>>to
>>>stick your foot in your mouth and who could run the fastest after
throwing
>>the
>>>first punch.
>>>
>>>Linda Holley
>>>
>>>"Marion D. Watts" wrote:
>>>
>>>> My apologies to all for showing individual gratitude on the list.  I'm
a
>>>> new comer, thus not aware of proper etiquette.  Your understanding is
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> Your most humble and obedient servant,
>>>> [e-mail]
>>>> [e-mail]
>>>> M. D. Watts
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:45:11 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's

Bob,
Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette, for one I would be
interested in looking at this information as I have (3) original
Pennsylvania Gazette's that fall in the time frame you have stated. Would be
fun to compare what someone has put on the internet compared to the
originals.

Thanks

Buck
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period tanning / Alans comments


>John, I have run across many references concerning leather, whether offered
>for sale, taxed, whatever, in my browsing through the on-line archive of
>the Pennyslvania Gazette from 1728 to 1800. I've included some exerpts ....

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:56:24 -0600
From: "Austin, Tim" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Broom Straw

Have never seen any, but all the people around where I live, scenic, sunny,
Southwestern Oklahoma, talk about growing it for commercial purposes.  Many
that are my age said it was their job when they were in high school to go
out and cut it.  From what they say, it is grown specifically for broom
straw, it is not a by product of something else.  I will check and post it
tomorrow.

Tim Austin

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:03:48 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Bodmer material

Ladies & Gentlemen,

For your information there is a good article on "Karl Bodmer's Journey" in
the Feb. 1999 issue of "Early American Homes" on page 52 to page 59. Shows
some pictures that we normally do not see from the east, like "Mauch Chunk"
Pennsylvania 1832, the Industrial Revolution in America, "Niagara Falls"
1833 or "Fox River" shown at the confluence with the Wabash in1833. An
interesting landscape of Bethlehem Pennsylvania, when Bodmer made his visit,
there were 1,000 people located in the area.

The article tells about his eastern experience, but best of all lets us know
that the Joslyn Museum in Omaha has his books and prints available and can
be ordered over the phone with a credit card. [phone] phone / open
from 10 am to 4 pm Mon. - Fri.

"Karl Bodmer's America" (2nd printing) list for $110  on sale for $100
"Karl Bodmer's Eastern Views" is $29.95
They charge $10.00 postage for 2nd day del. and that's how long it took for
mine to arrive. When ordering ask for "Karl Bodmer Mail Order Opportunties",
this is a listing of available prints for sale starting at $5 and going to
$30, plus a color flyer with small pictures of the prints. Tell the wife it
would make a good Christmas present and she still has time to get it.

Later

Buck

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:08:22 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Bob Spencer)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's

>Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette,

Sure, Buck, glad to. This database has become my very favorite site on the
internet. The URL is:

http://204.170.102.11/cgi-bin/accessible/verify.pl

In case anyone else is interested, here is the description of the database
from the blurb at the site:

THE PENNSYLVANIA GAZETTE, 1728-1800

(100,000 records; more than 40 MILLION words)

Published in Philadelphia from 1728 through 1800, The Pennsylvania Gazette
is considered The New York Times of the
18th century. It provides the reader with a first hand view of colonial
America, the American Revolution and the New
Republic, and offers important social, political and cultural perspectives
of each of the periods. Thousands of articles,
editorials, letters, news items and advertisements cover the Western
Hemisphere, from the Canadian Maritime Provinces,
through the West Indies and North and South America, giving a detailed
glimpse of issues and lifestyles of the times. Also
included is the full-text of such important writings such as: the
Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, Letters from
a Farmer, Thomas Payne's Common Sense, The Federalist Papers, etc.

These include:

       Folio I - (1728 - 1750) "Benjamin Franklin's Newspaper"
       Folio II - (1751 - 1765) "The French & Indian War"
       Folio III - (1766 - 1783) "The American Revolution"
       Folio IV - (1784 - 1800) "The New Republic"
*********************

Bob

Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html
non illegitimi carborundum est

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:09:55 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's

Bob,
I see what you mean, this is a good site, thank you.

Buck
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's


>>Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette,
>
>Sure, Buck, glad to. This database has become my very favorite site on the
>internet. The URL is:
>
>http://204.170.102.11/cgi-bin/accessible/verify.pl
>

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:27:18 -0600
From: Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period tanning / Alans comments

Washtahay-
At 02:45 PM 12/17/98 -0700, you wrote:
>As far as arsenic and acid (besides tannic) tans go, these are modern
>methods as far as I know. Do you know of any references to these being done
>during or before the period we are talking about?
    I've made no particular study of it, but I recall mention of some tanners
using various acids in England.  Unfortunately, I can't recall a time
period, so I don't even know which century's references I should start
checking.
    Also, FWIW, many county histories published back east make references to
what seems to be a LOT of tanneries.  Census records will also show many,
as will searches of deeds and wills.
LongWalker c. du B.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:39:03 -0800
From: [e-mail] (John C Funk)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period tanning / Alans comments

At the risk of getting a little "kinky", I've read on a couple of
occasion that the trade of the "Tinker" involved he collection of urine
(especially female due to it's supposed higher urea content) for the
production of gunpowder in early colonial times. Perhaps "tanning" was
also involved....????  OK..rake me over the coals!!!!
And lets not get pissy over this.


John Funk (or maybe I should stay anonymous on this one)

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:49:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California trapping brigades

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Several of you have asked for further info regarding the trapping brigades
entering California.  I have attached a file, written in WordPerfect, that
provides a very brief outline of each brigade.  While it was compiled for
another purpose, it does not have good documentation.  Thus, I have added a
list of books that have good info on these same men and brigades to help you
continue your own research.  Let me know if I can help you in any way.

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:29:39 -0700
From: "Matt Richards" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: thanks ralph

Ralph,
Definitely helps, can easily see how hide glue-ing the layers would help
make it work, thanks for the detail

Matt Richards
www.braintan.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:45:09 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's

I also thank you.  This is a great sight for some of the American History in my
classroom.

Linda Holley

Barry Conner wrote:

> Bob,
> I see what you mean, this is a good site, thank you.
>
> Buck
> ___________________
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Pennsylvania Gazette's
>
> >>Could you give us the URL for the Pennsylvania Gazette,
> >
> >Sure, Buck, glad to. This database has become my very favorite site on the
> >internet. The URL is:
> >
> >http://204.170.102.11/cgi-bin/accessible/verify.pl
> >

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