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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:21:55 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

concure with withdrawals---need to get some of the same stuff longwalker
is on ---might mellow me in my old age---
HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
1-813-771-1815
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:57:29 EST [e-mail] writes:
>LongWalker c. du B. and elitist bastard writes:
>>  (I'd like to thank the Academy...I've always aspired to this
>award...I'll
>>  do my best to live up to my understanding of what this means to
>me...I
>>  never thought I'd receive this title so early in life...)
>
>Hey Jim,
>
>Your withdrawal from those prescription pain killers is starting to
>show.  You
>must almost be back in full form.  <VBG>
>
>OldFox
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:48:07 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

steve I even own one of those tompsom centers---it is a good shooter and
is very dependable---i bought it in about 1968 and it was the best on the
market at that time ---have gone to custom guns or originals since and
can say the tompson was not bad but it's not a hawkins----
HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:49:41 EST [e-mail] writes:
>Well Hawk,  I can only think that most people don't have a hell of
>alot of
>money to go and buy the good stuff. Pretty hard to beat a Thompson
>Center
>Hawken (not even close, but a good little shooter) until ya can beg,
>borrow,
>or steal, to get a good gun..... At least you're burnin black powder!
>Steve
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:27:56 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

I get the junker in by the truck load to make a silk purse out of a sows
ear---and it darn sure don't happen---but ever once and a while i can do
majic like redirect them to something that is worth putting in the gun
rack---
HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:01:27 -0500 "Fred A. Miller"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>Jim Colburn wrote:
>>
>> Washtahay-
>> At 02:07 AM 11/10/98 EST, you wrote:
>> >bless you Longwalker. 'bout damn time somebody said it like it is.
>there are
>> >LOTS of accurate (in more ways than one)  quality rifles out there
>in the
>> >price range mentioned, especially in the white, but Cabela's, T/C
>and Lyman
>> >ain't among them.
>>         Thanks, but Hawk has been railing against 'em forever.  I'm
>just tired of
>> people saying "I got this great deal on this really authentic gun
>but its
>> broke".
>
>Yeah....and I'm tired of fixing the cotton pickin things for people
>who
>didn't take my recommendation and buy something better in the first
>place!
>
>Fred
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 02:01:15 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: House of Muskets

please contact me off-line i would like to be added to your list of
resources and such---
HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:59:01 EST [e-mail] writes:
>Shootz Himself writes:
>> Johnny (and the rest of the list), This link is to a page called
>shooters
>>  resources, and has address info for almost all of the BP gun makers
>and
>>  supplies outfits you can think of, including House of Muskets.
>
>Thanks for the plug.  I'm glad somebody looks at it after all the work
>I put
>into gathering up all those sources.  I have about 30 more to add if I
>ever
>get around to it.
>
>OldFox
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 02:04:17 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun

let me join you too---

HAWK
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:33:47 -0600 Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
writes:
>   >>I happen to highly suspect that I will be recieving a Cabella gun
>   >>for Christmas.  Sure, who wouldn't want a handmade, custom gun to
>   >>"brag on". Having raised 2 boys on my own with little extra cash,
>   >>I just feel damned lucky to be getting any gun at all.
>   >>When I go to my next Rendez.  I will be sure to camp on the other
>   >>side of the tracks.
>   >>LOL!!!
>   >>Red Hawk
>   >I think we'll be there together, me with my CVAs.  :-)
>   >Cheers,
>   >HBC
>Hey Guys(and Gal),just out of principle,I'll join ya over there!
>Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well
>
>SOUFLE,SOUFLE, La Vielle
>
>Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:02:09 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

thanks for the support longwalker---
HAWK
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:24:43 -0600 Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Washtahay-
>At 02:07 AM 11/10/98 EST, you wrote:
>>bless you Longwalker. 'bout damn time somebody said it like it is.
>there are
>>LOTS of accurate (in more ways than one)  quality rifles out there in
>the
>>price range mentioned, especially in the white, but Cabela's, T/C and
>Lyman
>>ain't among them.
>    Thanks, but Hawk has been railing against 'em forever.  I'm
>just tired of
>people saying "I got this great deal on this really authentic gun but
>its
>broke".
>LongWalker c. du B.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:36:46 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Black Powder

jd---i shoot 3f in everything i own and adjust the charge accordingly---i
know a lot will say you need 2f for 50 and above but have found better
and quicker ignition with  using 3 f and will continue to meet my
faith---hammer me at will---I like my 3 f
even shoot it in my .730 ---bear gun.

HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:45:27 -0600 [e-mail] writes:
>Greetings, Wise Ones and others,
>Along the shooting line I heard a skinner claim that he liked to shoot
>fff in his 54 cal.  I, being the novice, asked why.  He claimed that
>it
>shot cleaner and he used less powder.
>Is this a good idea?
>I know that fff creates more pressure in small cal. rifles.  I would
>assume that it would be the same in a large bore.
>Historically, what was the grade of the powder used by the early
>explorers?  I find it hard to believe that there were 4 grades of
>powder
>back then.
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks for your time and thoughts.
>
>Pilgrim JD
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:40:15 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock

can be a real ass on request or if the need arises---
HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:38:24 EST [e-mail] writes:
>opinionated, harsh, elitist....... he's all of those and more. God
>bless the
>mountain man.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:31:38 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flinters

that is the only address i know also---
HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:31:54 EST [e-mail] writes:
>In a message dated 98-11-08 23:19:23 EST, you write:
>
><< Does anyone know of a cyber address for NorthStar West? >>
>
>To the best of my knowledge, they're not on line.  Snail address is:
>
>North Star West
>P.O. Box 488
>Glencoe, CA 95232
>
>Office phone # 1- [phone]
>Shop phone # 1- [phone]
>
>Don't think they even have a fax yet.  I'd recomend calling the shop
>-- the
>old guy at the office sometimes gets things confused -- guess his
>health ain't
>the greatest.  I'd also recomend calling before the end of Nov -- Iron
>Jaw
>plays Santa Clause during Dec & production drops off to nearly
>nothing.
>
>If you have a copy of Oct Muzzle Blast handy, they have over 5 pages
>of web
>addresses that are related to our sport/hobby/madness/addiction.
>North Star
>isn't listed there either.  Wish they WERE on line -- I need a new
>frizen for
>my trade gun!
>
>NM
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:20:43 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

longwalker please send me one of the same awards---
HAWK
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:58:18 -0600 Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Washtahay-
>some time back I wrote:
>>   >Whoopee.  If the potential owner would pick up a part-time job
>and
>>   >wait til he had worked 40 hours at minimum wage, he could have
>>   >gotten a decent gun.
>>   >LongWalker c. du B.
>
>And at 11:17 AM 11/10/98 -0600, someone wrote:
>>WELL NOW ARE WE TO BECOME THE ELITIST BASTARDS THAT DO NOT WANT NEW
>COMMERS
>>TO JOIN?
>    Hmmm...if being an elitist bastard means not wanting to shoot
>next to
>folks with guns with hammers that creep and fire from half- or
>full-cock
>(seen at Cabelas) or guns with gas leaks at the breech (a CVA
>"Squirrel
>Rifle" I bought for my then new bride) or nipples that blow out in to
>space
>when fired (Lyman GPR, summer of '95, a couple T/Cs I have seen over
>the
>years) then yes, I want to be considered an "elitist bastard".  Having
>been
>born a bastard, I had a head start-some might consider it an unfair
>advantage.
>    So come on all, be an elitist bastard with me!  You will be
>expected to
>throw your shop open to folks who bought those less-than-satisfactory
>guns,
>to help repair them, and to teach their new owners the rules of
>firearms
>safety.  Your shop may well become the place new folks turn when they
>realize the only way they can afford a good gun (by their standards)
>is to
>build one, buying parts as they can afford them-this may mean your
>dining
>room, like mine, will have 6 rifles in various stages of cunstruction
>standing against the bookshelves.  It will mean teaching folks skills
>from
>tracking that deer they hit but didn't put down to tanning the hide to
>how
>to cook over an open fire.  It means being the same thing to the new
>guys
>today as it meant to the folks who got me started were to me.
>Frankly, I
>figure its a debt I owe.
>
>>its time a few wake up and realize that as you said,"pick up a
>>parttime job at minimum wage..." In my real life I commute 2 hours
>each
>>way,for a hell of a lot more than min.wage.
>    That's nice.  I have one full time job an hour east of here
>and another
>full time job an hour west of here.  So what?  If it meant the
>difference
>between compromising or getting what I want, I will find a way.  If
>that
>means I spend my day off every week working in a gas station for a
>couple
>months, I do it.   I guess some folks value their TV time more than
>others.
>
>>Nothing but an original is
>>truely authenic,but give the new commers a chance.
>    Back when I was getting started, I saw a guy wrap a CVA
>Kentucky around a
>tree.  Turns out he had spent the whole summer trying to get the thing
>to
>work.  I don't want the new guys of today to have to deal with that.
>I'm
>trying to give the new comers a chance to get started without the
>added
>handicap of a defective rifle.  Sorry that seems unreasonable to you.
>
>
>> My first muzzleloader was a CVA(still have
>>it,still shoots straight,and I  killed 9 deer with it)
>    My last CVA is the "Squirrel Rifle" that turned my ex-wife off
>shooting.
>Something about the way smoke came out from under the lockplate...
>According to CVA, all I had to do was buy a new barrel-at a cost equal
>to
>the cost of the gun-to fix a manufacturer's defect.  Seems easier to
>just
>avoid the crap in the first place.
>
>> So lets not give a
>>newcommer a hard time because he cannot afford a custom gun(in time
>he will
>>find a way to get one any way!)lets welcome him and help educate.
>    You seem to have the mistaken notion that my dislike of poor
>quality guns
>extends to their owners.  This is not the case.  But I am not going to
>lie
>and tell someone their gun is authentic in appearance when it isn't,
>or say
>it is safe when its not.  If someone is going to buy a sub-$300
>production
>rifle, at least let him buy one that won't injure him or someone else.
>
>
>LongWalker c. du B. and elitist bastard
>(I'd like to thank the Academy...I've always aspired to this
>award...I'll
>do my best to live up to my understanding of what this means to me...I
>never thought I'd receive this title so early in life...)
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:19:21 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

I bees one of those too-----

HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
1-813-771-1815
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:58:18 -0600 Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Washtahay-
>some time back I wrote:
>>   >Whoopee.  If the potential owner would pick up a part-time job
>and
>>   >wait til he had worked 40 hours at minimum wage, he could have
>>   >gotten a decent gun.
>>   >LongWalker c. du B.
>
>And at 11:17 AM 11/10/98 -0600, someone wrote:
>>WELL NOW ARE WE TO BECOME THE ELITIST BASTARDS THAT DO NOT WANT NEW
>COMMERS
>>TO JOIN?
>    Hmmm...if being an elitist bastard means not wanting to shoot
>next to
>folks with guns with hammers that creep and fire from half- or
>full-cock
>(seen at Cabelas) or guns with gas leaks at the breech (a CVA
>"Squirrel
>Rifle" I bought for my then new bride) or nipples that blow out in to
>space
>when fired (Lyman GPR, summer of '95, a couple T/Cs I have seen over
>the
>years) then yes, I want to be considered an "elitist bastard".  Having
>been
>born a bastard, I had a head start-some might consider it an unfair
>advantage.
>    So come on all, be an elitist bastard with me!  You will be
>expected to
>throw your shop open to folks who bought those less-than-satisfactory
>guns,
>to help repair them, and to teach their new owners the rules of
>firearms
>safety.  Your shop may well become the place new folks turn when they
>realize the only way they can afford a good gun (by their standards)
>is to
>build one, buying parts as they can afford them-this may mean your
>dining
>room, like mine, will have 6 rifles in various stages of cunstruction
>standing against the bookshelves.  It will mean teaching folks skills
>from
>tracking that deer they hit but didn't put down to tanning the hide to
>how
>to cook over an open fire.  It means being the same thing to the new
>guys
>today as it meant to the folks who got me started were to me.
>Frankly, I
>figure its a debt I owe.
>
>>its time a few wake up and realize that as you said,"pick up a
>>parttime job at minimum wage..." In my real life I commute 2 hours
>each
>>way,for a hell of a lot more than min.wage.
>    That's nice.  I have one full time job an hour east of here
>and another
>full time job an hour west of here.  So what?  If it meant the
>difference
>between compromising or getting what I want, I will find a way.  If
>that
>means I spend my day off every week working in a gas station for a
>couple
>months, I do it.   I guess some folks value their TV time more than
>others.
>
>>Nothing but an original is
>>truely authenic,but give the new commers a chance.
>    Back when I was getting started, I saw a guy wrap a CVA
>Kentucky around a
>tree.  Turns out he had spent the whole summer trying to get the thing
>to
>work.  I don't want the new guys of today to have to deal with that.
>I'm
>trying to give the new comers a chance to get started without the
>added
>handicap of a defective rifle.  Sorry that seems unreasonable to you.
>
>
>> My first muzzleloader was a CVA(still have
>>it,still shoots straight,and I  killed 9 deer with it)
>    My last CVA is the "Squirrel Rifle" that turned my ex-wife off
>shooting.
>Something about the way smoke came out from under the lockplate...
>According to CVA, all I had to do was buy a new barrel-at a cost equal
>to
>the cost of the gun-to fix a manufacturer's defect.  Seems easier to
>just
>avoid the crap in the first place.
>
>> So lets not give a
>>newcommer a hard time because he cannot afford a custom gun(in time
>he will
>>find a way to get one any way!)lets welcome him and help educate.
>    You seem to have the mistaken notion that my dislike of poor
>quality guns
>extends to their owners.  This is not the case.  But I am not going to
>lie
>and tell someone their gun is authentic in appearance when it isn't,
>or say
>it is safe when its not.  If someone is going to buy a sub-$300
>production
>rifle, at least let him buy one that won't injure him or someone else.
>
>
>LongWalker c. du B. and elitist bastard
>(I'd like to thank the Academy...I've always aspired to this
>award...I'll
>do my best to live up to my understanding of what this means to me...I
>never thought I'd receive this title so early in life...)
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 02:17:10 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Cabelas Flintlock"

you forgot your supporters---and of course ass holes like me---

HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:35:18 -0600 Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Washtahay-
>    I must say, I have enjoyed the many off-list replies to my
>comments in
>Re:Cabelas Flintlock".  To save myself time, I am replying to the
>list.
>    Generally speaking, the replies to me have fallen into three
>categories:
>1. Death threats; 2. Comments on my perceived masculinity (or lack
>thereof); and 3. Personal attacks.  Responses follow.
>    Death threats.  I request you guys get together and do this in
>groups of
>three, I could use the entertainment.  Please do do this while I am
>alone-my friends will insist I share.  And no, the day will never come
>when
>you see me  unarmed.
>    Comments on my perceived masculinity (or lack thereof).  Ask
>your mothers,
>sisters, wives, and daughters-they all say I do it better than you.
>    Personal attacks:  Grow up.  One of the more literate examples
>is at the
>bottom of this post, along with my response.
>    I can't believe the emotional investment people seem to have
>in their
>decision to purchase a particular firearm!  Simply because someone
>disagrees with you is no reason to threaten to "cach you at a dondy
>and cut
>you r face off".  If you are happy with the weapon you have chosen,
>great-I
>am happy for you.  But when you say "its a great gun, I only had to
>fix
>this, that, and the other thing" you are acknowledging that the weapon
>you
>chose is not adequate for the purpose for which you purchased it.  You
>did
>buy that rifle to SHOOT didn't you?
>    I am at a loss as to how to respond when someone insists that
>their rifle
>is "authentic" when even the manufacturer acknowledges that it is not
>an
>accurate reproduction and was never intended to be one.  I have to
>believe
>this person is joking.  Surely no one would demonstrate their
>ignorance in
>such a manner, would they?
>    Have a nice evening.  I get to figure out how to set a filter
>in this
>e-mail program...
>LongWalker c. du B., etc
>
>One of the more literate replies received off list, and my response:
>>>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:09:49 -0600
>>>From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
>>>
>>>What do you consider full time? My day is 16 hours long counting the
>>>commute. And I do not have time for TV. I believe you admitted to
>buying a
>>>"cheap" gun for your ex, what happened she get tired of your
>obsession?
>>>So with working 2 "full time jobs" and working at a gas station on
>the week
>>>ends,when do you have time to go to rendezvous or on a trek
>>    Generally speaking, full time is considered to be 40+ hours
>per week.  I
>bought the CVA Squirrel Rifle for my wife when she stated she would
>like to
>have one to shoot-not because it was "cheap".  The reason for the
>divorce
>has nothing to do with what you suggest, but frankly it is none of
>your
>business.  I never said I am currently "working at a gas station on
>the
>week ends"-I suggested that as a possible way (one I have used in the
>past)
>to gain the money to acquire a more-desirable item.  When do I have
>time to
>go to rendezvous or on a trek?  You'll never know, we are selective
>about
>who we invite.
>    Having more entertaining ways to spend my time than responding
>to the
>demands of individuals with a mental age <5 years, no further messages
>on
>this subject will be acknowledged.
>    Have a nice day.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:35:26 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

recommend you add about 200.00 dollars and you could have one of danny
caywoods preassembled kits---then with about 10 or 12 hrs you have a
better than average gun that will do what you want---depending if you
want a smooth bore or a rifled gun---pecatonica river will supply parts
of good quality with a precarve for about 500---to 600 depending on what
style you want in kit form---will require a small amount of inletting and
some work most non craftsmen can even assemble and put into order contact
me off line or give me a call and we can discuss this further---need to
know if you want a finished rifle or a kit or a pre-assembled rifle which
will require you to finish---

HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
1-813-771-1815
E-MAIL ADDRESS==[e-mail]

On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:37:47 GMT [e-mail] (Mike Haught)
writes:
>Well, let's say $500 is in my price range right now.
>
>    -mwh
>
>On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:35:54 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>what is your price range that will deturmine what you will be able to
>>buy---let me know your price range and i will give you a list of
>makers
>>that make kits or semifinished guns or complete guns---a bunch of
>good
>>ones out there and a bunch of junk---dont scrimp on the lock and the
>>barrel---that is the heart of the muzzle loader---
>>
>>HAWK
>>MICHAEL PIERCE
>>1-813-771-1815
>>E-MAIL ADDRESS=3D=[e-mail]
>>
>>On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 22:13:10 -0500 "Fred A. Miller"
>><[e-mail]> writes:
>>>Mike Haught wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> I noticed the note regarding the lock question for the Cabela's
>>>> flintlock.  I have considered purchasing this gun for my first
>>>> flinter.
>>>>=20
>>>> I have been told that the lock for this gun would not be=20
>>>historically
>>>> accurate for reenacting the Virginia/Ohio frontiersman/settler
>of=20
>>>the
>>>> 1780s through 1810.
>>>>=20
>>>> I'd like to ask the opinion of the resident experts here
>whether=20
>>>this
>>>> gun would be a good first time flinter purchase.
>>>
>>>It's NOT, IMHO.  You'd be MUCH better off with a "Cumberland"
>from=20
>>>Deer
>>>Creek's Wilderness Rifle Works line, which, by the way is
>semi-custom
>>>hand-made, NOT production firearms from Italy like those from
>Cabelas.=20
>>>
>>>Cut rifleing, curly maple stocks (NOT euorpean walnut or some
>odd-ball
>>>wood), a properly designed and made lock, triggers, etc., are
>quality
>>>accuratly reproduced items from good gun makers.  Quality doesn't
>cost
>>>that much more.  Contact Bob at Thunder Ridge Muzzleloading for
>data=20
>>>and
>>>prices.  E-mail address is: [e-mail].
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Fred
>>>
>>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:15:54 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

I have never given a new commer a hard time about his equipment only
suggested that he buy the best quality he can afford---junk is junk and
quality is quality----remember some of the pilgrems arn't shooters only
traders and such---but they need to learn what quality is and where and
how it is produced----END OF SUBJECT---

HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:17:17 -0600 Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
writes:
>   >>Haven't priced them via Shotgun News recently, but you
>   >>used to be able (6-12 months ago) to get the flint kit for around
>   >>$230 as I recall.
>   >Whoopee.  If the potential owner would pick up a part-time job and
>   >wait til he had worked 40 hours at minimum wage, he could have
>   >gotten a decent gun.
>   >LongWalker c. du B.
>WELL NOW ARE WE TO BECOME THE ELITIST BASTARDS THAT DO NOT WANT NEW
>COMMERS
>TO JOIN? its time a few wake up and realize that as you said,"pick up
>a
>parttime job at minimum wage..." In my real life I commute 2 hours
>each
>way,for a hell of a lot more than min.wage. Nothing but an original is
>truely authenic,but give the new commers a chance. When I started in
>the 70's
>it wasn't just being ridiculisly perfectly accurate that got a pilgrim
>into
>camp;it was the attempt and desire to learn! NOT EVERONE CAN AFFORD A
>CUSTOM
>GUN OR THE BEST PRODUCTION MODEL,but if he's willing to make the
>attempt to
>LOOK PERIOD CORRECT(and not show up with one of those damn inline bp
>burners) he's welcome in my camp. My first muzzleloader was a
>CVA(still have
>it,still shoots straight,and I  killed 9 deer with it),then I bought a
>Brown
>bess kit from someone and now am scratch building a Charlieville
>replica.
> I've hooked a few newcommers by lending that old CVA and teaching
>them how
>to shoot it,that have gone on to bigger and($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)better
>smokepoles than I have. Do I care? NO!!!!!!!!!!! So lets not give a
>newcommer a hard time because he cannot afford a custom gun(in time he
>will
>find a way to get one any way!)lets welcome him and help educate.
>Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well
>
>"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698
>
>Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:06:48 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

good input ---shoots-him-self----quality is quality and junk is
junk---pick your trash or treasure---
HAWK
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:07:31 EST [e-mail] writes:
>bless you Longwalker. 'bout damn time somebody said it like it is.
>there are
>LOTS of accurate (in more ways than one)  quality rifles out there in
>the
>price range mentioned, especially in the white, but Cabela's, T/C and
>Lyman
>ain't among them.  Try these links: <A
>HREF="http://users.aol.com/canaltwo/bp-
>parts.htm">Shooter's Resources</A>  <A
>HREF="http://www.avsia.com/tvm/">TVM
></A>  <A HREF="http://www.trackofthewolf.com/">Track of the Wolf,
>Inc.</A>
><A HREF="http://www.jpgunstocks.com/">JP Gunstocks, Inc.,
>Muzzleloading Rifles
>- Pistols - Smooth Bores</A>  <A
>HREF="http://www.logcabinshop.com/">Log Cabin
>Shop, Serving the Black Powder Community for Over 57 Years</A>. Also
>contact
>Deer Creek, Caywood, Cabin Creek, Narragansett, Pecatonica and others.
>Buy a
>Muzzleloader Magazine and call some makers. Even if their gun is too
>expensive, ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS, most of these people will give you
>honest
>answers and  help you get started the right way.   YHS,   Shootz
>Himself
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:57:00 -0600
From: [e-mail] (michael pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

darn---good posting---
HAWK
MICHAEL PIERCE
1-813-771-1815
E-MAIL ADDRESS==[e-mail]

On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:07:31 EST [e-mail] writes:
>bless you Longwalker. 'bout damn time somebody said it like it is.
>there are
>LOTS of accurate (in more ways than one)  quality rifles out there in
>the
>price range mentioned, especially in the white, but Cabela's, T/C and
>Lyman
>ain't among them.  Try these links: <A
>HREF="http://users.aol.com/canaltwo/bp-
>parts.htm">Shooter's Resources</A>  <A
>HREF="http://www.avsia.com/tvm/">TVM
></A>  <A HREF="http://www.trackofthewolf.com/">Track of the Wolf,
>Inc.</A>
><A HREF="http://www.jpgunstocks.com/">JP Gunstocks, Inc.,
>Muzzleloading Rifles
>- Pistols - Smooth Bores</A>  <A
>HREF="http://www.logcabinshop.com/">Log Cabin
>Shop, Serving the Black Powder Community for Over 57 Years</A>. Also
>contact
>Deer Creek, Caywood, Cabin Creek, Narragansett, Pecatonica and others.
>Buy a
>Muzzleloader Magazine and call some makers. Even if their gun is too
>expensive, ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS, most of these people will give you
>honest
>answers and  help you get started the right way.   YHS,   Shootz
>Himself
>
>

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