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hist_text-digest     Wednesday, November 18 1998     Volume 01 : Number 176




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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:41:27 -0600
From: "Glenn Darilek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Black Powder

>[e-mail] wrote:
>
> JD, iirc (if i recall correctly) powder was not originally packaged by
> fineness grades, but did change as it was carried around and ground itself
> down.


I am sure this statement was not made to imply that one could grind their
powder down to make it finer.  So I write for extra caution so noone might
get the wrong idea and possibly get hurt.

>From my tour of the original duPont Brandywine River black powder works in
Delaware, I learned that grinding powder, even in a wet state can be
hazardous to your life.  Indeed, many lethal explosions happened during this
process.  In fact, they designed the grinders in the anticipation of
occassional detonations.  The grinders were put into buildings with only
three walls, and a roof that was designed to blow off.  The open side was
towards the river, where there was nothing to blow up.  They had many
grinders that were separated by the requisite distance so if one blew up,
the others would not go.

The grinders were large stone wheels that rolled in a circle in a crucible.
The wheels were powered by the water.

I also wrote down the formula and steps for making gunpowder by the original
recipe, but I wisely decided not to venture into such a hazardous
occupation.

In the interest of safety,

Iron Burner

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:47:05 -0600
From: "Glenn Darilek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Black Powder

While on the subject of black powder, does anyone have firm safety rules for
loading and firing a swivel gun?  With and without a projectile? Are there
such rules that survive from the period?  I can think of the obvious, but I
would hate to be around when something not so obvious happens.  Maybe we
have been too lax.

Iron Burner

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:06:53 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Black Powder

[e-mail] (Bob Spencer) concluded, after research :
<<So, as early as the second quarter of the 18th century, they had at least
the same three main granulations we do, plus cannon powder, and they had
glazed powder.>>

Good research there, Bob! The next question is, did all of these grades make
it into the fur trade? For the Canadian fur trade (1774-1821), the answer is
almost certainly no. Although kegs of 'powder' and 'gunpowder' show up
frequently in fur trade journals, inventories, and memoirs, it's always just
one kind of gunpowder. I've got inventory lists that show, for instance,
nineteen kinds of files, four different kinds of rings, ten different kinds
of shirts, and six different kinds of blankets, but only one kind of powder.
So I'm forced to conclude that the guns used in the fur trade were loaded
and primed with the same powder-- probably FF, it works fine in the trade
gun and Brown Bess used in my household.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:06:42 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Re: Tinning

>From: Gary Bell <[e-mail]>
>To: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>

>Sorry about the consternation, I'll gladly lend all the help I can to clear it
>up.  I am unfortunately not an expert on human toxicology.  My education is
as a
>zoologist, so I know just enough to be both dangerous and deadly boring, not
>necessarily enough to be presumed to have a good batting average on being
>right.  I have paid some attention to issues in 18th and 19th century medical
>practice, but will readily defer to anyone with a serious interest.
>
>> A quick check confirmed that, yes, antimony is toxic.
>
>Ahhhh, here we come to the crux.  Toxic is a pretty broad term for things that
>harm us.  The use of antimony in medications tells me that a considerable dose
>of the stuff from time to time clearly 'cleaned one right out' but equally
>clearly didn't kill off the patients, at least not right away.  I do not know
>enough about the toxicity of Sb to tell you much about the short and long term
>effects of intermittent large or small doses, or more to our point here the
>immediate and long term effects of intermittent small and chronic small doses.
>I cannot tell you about the body's ability to flush out Sb, or the extent to
>which it accumulates.  Lead and mercury are shown to accumulate, and eventually
>harm us when the saved up dose is sufficient.  Another issue is the notion that
>it matters little how much poison is in a pot or plate, only how much gets into
>us.  Consider the common use of considerable amounts of mercury in making the
>dental amalgam used to fill out teeth, yet the mercury is not available to
>dissolve or migrate into the parts of our system that might harm us.
>
>I suppose that the risk of getting enough antimony dissolved out of a 5% alloy
>in cooking a dish in a 'tinned' pot or use of a plate or spoon to make one
>discernibly ill right away is almost nonexistent.  Long term or chronic
toxicity
>is the chief concern here.
>
>I see several factors at work in judging these issues.  A cooking pot, with
>contents that are potentially quite acidic or quite alkaline, at elevated
>temperatures, and for extended periods of contact time seems a greater risk
than
>a spoon or plate, where the contact time and temperature are both better.  A
>vessel (pot or plate) in use everyday poses a greater risk than one used
>occasionally.   Darn few of us are able to play with our rendezvous toys as
>regularly as we might like.  Thus the opportunities for Sb to migrate into
foods
>and then into us is a factor to consider.
>
>A second issue is the rate of migration from particular alloys.  I am reminded
>of the 'passivation' of mercury in our dental fillings, and in the other case I
>recall the issues with lead migrating out of ceramic glazes and causing genuine
>human health hazards.  I cannot however find any information on Sb being
>unavailable in the alloys you are concerned with here.   Lacking such special
>information prompts me to presume that Sb is available, until proven otherwise.
>The tests could be readily done in a lab, which I don't have available.
>
>Yesterday I was working in a large pathology lab (repairing their microscopes)
>and in discussions with a couple of the pathologists got some leads on
published
>works, most of which involved exposure to a highly toxic stibine gas (bad news)
>SbH3 or to Sb dust (likewise a nasty situation).  The lab's library had some
>referenced I was unable to thoroughly research, but the two I did peruse were
>concerned with high concentration and short duration exposures.  They all
agreed
>that antimony and arsenic are pathologically very similar, which brings up an
>interesting prospect:  as mystery readers all know arsenic intake can induce a
>tolerance, where  very high doses can eventually be tolerated.  I found no
>information about the health effects of long term low dosage, and in our cases
>intermittent dosage health effects.
>
>I will be in contact with business associates at our state health department,
>our federal Environmental Protection Agency, and some contacts at our regional
>medical school for further information, and I am sure that an effective
internet
>search could clear up some, and perhaps all of our questions.  I will invest
>some time in that enterprise, but work pressure is rather intense just now, and
>I cannot provide the prompt response I would like.   I am presuming that
you are
>in an academic setting up there -- if so, could you check for information
to add
>to the pool as well?
>
>I noted that you bypassed the mailing list with your inquiry, and I am likewise
>replying 'offline'.  At some point this information seems quite suitable
for the
>remainder of our online friends, perhaps one or both of us should 'publish'
some
>results when we have more answers than questions.
>
>
>> The problem is that we already
>> have a number of pots tinned with the 95/5 Sn/Sb solder mentioned earlier.
>> So, we went to our friendly neighborhood metal alloyer to get pure tin to
>> tin future pots. We also asked about Britannia metal for pouring spoons. To
>> make a long story short, Britannia metal and pewter used in making plates,
>> mugs, etc. consist, generally, of 91% tin, 7.5% antimony, and 1.5% copper.
>>
>
>My 'default' course of action is to avoid antimony (just as I avoid arsenic)
>altogether until it is proven safe.   We might find some answers from the
>industries that produce commercial pewter ware, certainly worth checking in
with
>them.  They are seemingly willing to sell utensils that contain (if your
>information above is accurate) antimony in  alloys very similar to those we are
>discussing.
>
>I must attend to work now, but will continue my research, probably early next
>week.
>
>Your not terribly humble nor particularly obedient but still grateful servant,
>
>Gary Bell
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:06:22 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Re: Tinning

>To: [e-mail]

>Your post to the Mountain Man list about antimony being toxic has caused
>serious consternation here, and I'm hoping you can help clear it up. A quick
>check confirmed that, yes, antimony is toxic. The problem is that we already
>have a number of pots tinned with the 95/5 Sn/Sb solder mentioned earlier. So,
>we went to our friendly neighborhood metal alloyer to get pure tin to tin
future
>pots. We also asked about Britannia metal for pouring spoons. To make a long
>story short, Britannia metal and pewter used in making plates, mugs, etc.
>consist, generally, of 91% tin, 7.5% antimony, and 1.5% copper. So now we
>don't know what to make of this toxicity issue. Can you help?

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:01:17 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: powder

Ditto on the message about powder granulations in
the "old days."  American fur Company records from
the 1830s contain listings of powder in
granulations designated by the number of "Fs".
They also include references to "common" and
"best" powder.
Allen Chronister

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:53:02 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing question

Hello Everyone!

=09I am interested in information regarding the range of "tailoring" talen=
ts,
techniques, fabrics, materials, details, etc., of mountain men past and
present.  Would it be correct to assume that most MtMen sewed some, if not
all, of their own garments?  If so, what materials did they use, construct=
ion
techniques, and embellishments, other?  What special characteristics are f=
ound
in the MtMan=92s "wardrobe" which makes it particularly serviceable,
interesting, appealing, unique?  What are the clothing items specific to t=
he
MtMan?  When the Mt.Man=92s garments are examined, were any hidden pockets=
 or
compartments found, or any other interesting details?

=09I am looking forward to your replies as I am sure many of you are very
knowledgeable in this area.  Thank you very much.

Best regards,
Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:52:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: William Branson

I saw what you wrote concerning William Branson, who is also my ancestor.  Try
the site for more on the Bransons:  http://www.patpnyc.com

Emi Bryan

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:52:26 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Black Powder

>While on the subject of black powder, does anyone have firm safety rules for
>loading and firing a swivel gun?  With and without a projectile? Are there
>such rules that survive from the period?  I can think of the obvious, but I
>would hate to be around when something not so obvious happens.  Maybe we
>have been too lax.
>
>Iron Burner


Check with the National Park Service, Ordinance Department.  They have
standard procedures for working with artillery pieces, emphasising safety
and authenticity.  Seek their advice for safe handling of all types of BP
artillery.

HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:18:34 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Richard D Heyen)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Black Powder

The various grades of powder came with the invention of corned powder (as
opposed to serpentine powder) in the early 1400's. Serpentine powder is
made by mixing nitre,brimstone, and charecoal together in the desired
quantities. In the 15th century it was discovered that by mixing the same
ingredience wet them drying them in cakes which were crumbled and sifted
through various grades of screens, a powder was made that was 9 times as
powerful as serpentine, not as suseptable to moisture in the air, and
didn't seperate back in to its componants when transported. Generaly the
four grades (fine,medium, course, and extra course) are the same as the
powder you use today. The only major difference between modern Bp and
historical is the process where they roll moder powder on graphite to
prevent static electricity.

                        Master Gunner of The
Texas Renaisance Festival
                        Drew Heyen

Drew Heyen
[e-mail]
Phone-[phone]

On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:27:55 -0800 Dennis Fisher
<[e-mail]> writes:
>Henry B. Crawford wrote:
>
>> >I find it hard to believe that there were 4 grades of powder
>> >back then.
>> >Any ideas?
>
>Besides the four grades of rifle powder, there were various grades of
>blasting
>powder and cannon powder.  I'll try and dig out some of my old
>references and
>see what I can find.  Before the days of dynamite, black powder was
>the only
>commercial blasting agent available.
>
>                      Dennis
>
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:05:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing question

Welcome Andrea

I see you figured out the instructions on how to join the list :)

Regards

Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:36:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Swivel Guns

In a message dated 11/15/98 9:49:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< While on the subject of black powder, does anyone have firm safety rules
for
 loading and firing a swivel gun?  With and without a projectile? >>
YEAH, THERE ARE 2 RULES:

RULE 1. SWIVEL IT THE OTHER WAY...... <GGG>
RULE 2. SEE RULE 1.
                            yhs, SHOOTZ HIMSELF (a voice of experience)

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:36:29 -0800
From: "JON P TOWNS" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing question

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That's Right Andrea jump right in and get your feet wet good friend.  All
these people need is a subject and look out.  Later Jon T.    =20

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To: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing question
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 7:53 AM

Hello Everyone!

    I am interested in information regarding the range of "tailoring" talent=
s,
techniques, fabrics, materials, details, etc., of mountain men past and
present.  Would it be correct to assume that most MtMen sewed some, if no=
t
all, of their own garments?  If so, what materials did they use,
construction
techniques, and embellishments, other?  What special characteristics are
found
in the MtMan=92s "wardrobe" which makes it particularly serviceable,
interesting, appealing, unique?  What are the clothing items specific to
the
MtMan?  When the Mt.Man=92s garments are examined, were any hidden pocket=
s or
compartments found, or any other interesting details?

    I am looking forward to your replies as I am sure many of you are very
knowledgeable in this area.  Thank you very much.

Best regards,
Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:29:00 -0700
From: "baird.rick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Where's Dr. Shakey

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List Subscribers,
I am looking for Dr. Shakey.  He makes canvas goodies and I need a new
lodge.  Anyone got any ideas where he is now?  Thanks in advance.
Taos

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:40:33 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: MtMan-List: I didn't say that (aka Black Powder)

>Henry B. Crawford wrote:
>
>> >I find it hard to believe that there were 4 grades of powder
>> >back then.
>> >Any ideas?
>
>Besides the four grades of rifle powder, there were various grades of blasting
>powder and cannon powder.  I'll try and dig out some of my old references and
>see what I can find.  Before the days of dynamite, black powder was the only
>commercial blasting agent available.
>
>                      Dennis


Excuse me, but I didn't write that.  I was replying to someone else's
query.  You failed to include my reply, which adds to confusion.  Please be
careful when you attribute statements to people.

Thanks,
HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:42:37 -0800
From: Dale Nelson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Black Powder

Bob Spencer wrote:

> the same three main granulations we do, plus cannon powder, and they had
> glazed powder.

Isn't that how duPont made his fortune, he invented the glazing process
that made a very superior powder?
            Dale Nelson

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:45:20 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

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Somebody, I forget who, recently posted me and included the address of a =
webpage that included the letter I wrote giving advice to newcomers.  I =
accidently deleted the message before noting the address so would =
whoever sent it to me please send it again?  Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:28:34 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Where's Dr. Shakey

In a message dated 98-11-17 00:22:59 EST, you write:

<< I am looking for Dr. Shakey.  He makes canvas goodies and I need a new
 lodge.  Anyone got any ideas where he is now?  >>


Since his divorce, he's been a bit foot loose & hard to keep up with.  Last
address we have for him is:

Alan Reed
P.O. Box 478
Aberdeen, Idaho 83210

Phone # [phone]

It's my understanding this is his brother's place, so hopefully, if he's not
still there, it'll get forwarded.  If all else fails & with a bit of luck,
we'll see him at our rondy in Feb.  He DOES make some fine canvas goods!

NM

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:57:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: aluminum

In a message dated 98-11-08 18:38:55 EST, you write:

<< The only attributed cookware of George Washington's, I am aware of, is
 pictured
 in "Collector's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution"=A0
 George C.
 Neumann and Frank J. Kravic=A0 ISBN 0-8117-0394-0
  >>
If you ever get in the Detroit area go to the Henry Ford Museum they have=
 a
mess kit that George Washington used and his folding iron and canvas bed.
Both were a present from a french general and both were used by him durin=
g the
rev war.  Buy the way the mess kit has silver, china and crystal. =20

Your humble servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:14:15 -0500
From: paul mueller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing question

JON P TOWNS wrote:
>=20
> That's Right Andrea jump right in and get your feet wet good friend.
>  All these people need is a subject and look out.  Later Jon T.
>=20
> ----------
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing question
> Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 7:53 AM
>=20
> Hello Everyone!
>=20
> I am interested in information regarding the range of "tailoring"
> talents,
> techniques, fabrics, materials, details, etc., of mountain men past
> and
> present.  Would it be correct to assume that most MtMen sewed some, if
> not
> all, of their own garments?  If so, what materials did they use,
> construction
> techniques, and embellishments, other?  What special characteristics
> are found
> in the MtMan=92s "wardrobe" which makes it particularly serviceable,
> interesting, appealing, unique?  What are the clothing items specific
> to the
> MtMan?  When the Mt.Man=92s garments are examined, were any hidden
> pockets or
> compartments found, or any other interesting details?
>=20
> I am looking forward to your replies as I am sure many of you are very
> knowledgeable in this area.  Thank you very much.
>=20
> Best regards,
> Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
> [e-mail]
>=20
> ----------

  don't forget what a rendezvous was for. traders with all types of
goods from over seas and from the eastern states. alot of staples and
clothing.look at records from the hudson bay co on what they traded. one
of the first things the trappers did was get a bath cloth pants then
drunk.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:24:30 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: floor cloth

there was a question yesterday about the meaning
of "floor cloth" in the context of trousers.  The
short answer is that I don't have a documented
answer.  I remember when we found the floor cloth
trousers, but we were unable to identify the
fabric.  I have checked a couple of standard
sources (my main one is "Textiles in America")
with no luck.
However, I can venture a guess that it was a type
of heavier canvas material, either cotton or
linen.  "Floor cloths" were pieces of heavier
canvas that were painted with designs, heavily
seized, and were used in the place of rugs for
floor coverings.  Therefore, there is a
possibility that the base fabric for these
projects was referred to as "floor cloth" and used
for pants.  Other canvas materials such as ravens
duck and Russia sheeting were relatively commonly
used for pants in the early 19th century.
Sorry I can't give a more complete answer.
Allen Chronister

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:12:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing question

In a message dated 11/17/98 12:24:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< look at records from the hudson bay co >>

    How can I view these (above mention) records?  Thank you, Andrea

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:33:05 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Parker)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:45:20 -0600, you wrote:

>Somebody, I forget who, recently posted me and included the address of a=
 webpage that included the letter I wrote giving advice to newcomers.  I =
accidently deleted the message before noting the address so would whoever=
 sent it to me please send it again?  Thanks.
>Lanney Ratcliff
>[e-mail]

Lanny, this is probably not the post you're looking for, but there's a
writeup on http:/sat.net/~robenhaus that details stuff for beginners.
This site has been up for more than a year, and the article is much
older than that.
Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including =
"BS".
1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus

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