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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1387 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, August 20 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1387 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fraudulent Brain Tan -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fraudulent Brain Tan -áááááá MtMan-List: Blantant Commercial Plug for AMM Brother Rick Fisher, Deceased, Books -áááááá MtMan-List: book suggested -áááááá MtMan-List: fake brian tan and brian tan avilabilty ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:27:16 -0500 From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@myexcel.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fraudulent Brain Tan This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C483C7.0A6A84A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, Thanks for a well-written and informative post. I can not speak for the state laws where these folks do business, but = were they to be operating in Texas and many other states, or if they = were to sell imitation brain tan as the real thing in Texas (and other = states) by mail, they have committed fraud and would be in violation, as = just one example, of what we refer to as the Deceptive Trade Practices = Act (a act that has potentially draconian penalties for those who = misrepresent the nature of what they are selling). Bottom line is that = the practice is reprehensible and I hope your comments will engender a = change in their practices. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Richards=20 To: hist_text@xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Fraudulent Brain Tan Hi Folks,=20 =20 There are a lot of companies selling various 'imitation' brain tans = these days, and as someone who does real brain tan, I have no problem = with it as long as it is labeled as such. However, some businesses are = attempting to sell imitations as the real thing in order to increase = their profit margins.=20 Fox Valley Leather has started selling an imitation brain tan that has = been tanned with glutaraldehyde and then smoked at the end as 'real = brain tan', according to their head tanner Bill Brown. If you look at = their catalog it states that it is 'real brain-tan leather' ' to the = specifications of the traditional tannages from the historic past'. If = you call their customer service people and ask if this is real brain = tan, tanned with just brains and woodsmoke, they will tell you that it = indeed is, as will their owner Scott Drollinger. If you talk to Bill = Brown, the head tanner, he will tell you they are glutaraldehyde tanned. = They are selling them for $8 - $12 a sq ft.=20 Basically they are selling what would normally cost $5 to $6 a square = foot for $12 a sq ft by misrepresenting what they are selling. If you = bought brain tan from them, this is what you got. They are usually = reputable people and I'm sure they would refund your money if you asked. = They started this particular episode of misleading advertising (they had = one previous one) this spring. One real brain tanner, Mike Foltmer, lost = a big order for a club in Wyoming, because the members decided that they = could get the same exact, genuine, brain tan from Fox Valley for less. = They bought it, and have probably put hundreds of hours into making = their gear out of these chemically tanned skins.=20 'imitation brain tans' are tanned with formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde or = syntans (synthetic tannins). They have the grain removed, and often are = smoked at the end to cover the chemical smell. Typically, they sell for = about $5 to $6 a sq ft. They are different than brain tan in the way = they perform and the way they feel on your body, and in their = durability. However, if you don't want to shell out the cash for the = real thing, they are the most convincing imitation. =20 I have nothing against imitation brain tan as long as it is clearly = labeled as such. If companies are allowed to use this type of misleading = labeling on brain tan then the practice will spread. If you don't = believe that it is appropriate to be selling chemically tanned hides as = 'real brain tan' please let them know.=20 Contacting them is hugely effective and necessary if we don't want = this practice to spread. Here is their contact information. I would = personally direct it at Bill Brown as he is the head tanner or Scott = Drollinger the owner. Be polite.=20 Fox Valley Tanning=20 633 West Center Street=20 North Salt Lake UT 84054=20 800 779-2709. When the machine answers, punch 2 to get switched to = their sales division, and then 5 to talk to Bill Brown their Head Tanner = or 3 to talk to Scott Drollinger the owner. From 9 to 5 mountain time.=20 foxleather@aol.com=20 Personally I think phone calls and regular mail are the most = effective. Bill or Scott are the most important people to talk to as he = is the head of this project. =20 PS. My name is Matt Richards. I wrote the book "Deerskins into = Buckskins" about how to do brain tanning and host www.braintan.com. If = you would like to see a screen shot of their catalog page so you know = exactly how misleading this is, see = http://64.124.46.34/WebX?233@@.ee83c4a/206!enclosure=3D.ee89d29 - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C483C7.0A6A84A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=3DGENERATOR><o:SmartTagType = name=3D"PlaceType"=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType=20 name=3D"PlaceName"=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType=20 name=3D"State"=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType=20 name=3D"place"=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3DEN-US vLink=3Dpurple link=3Dblue bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Matt,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for a well-written and informative=20 post.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I can not speak for the state laws where = these folks=20 do business, but were they to be operating in Texas and many other = states, or if=20 they were to sell imitation brain tan as the real thing in Texas (and = other=20 states) by mail, they have committed fraud and would be in violation, as = just=20 one example, of what we refer to as the Deceptive Trade Practices = Act (a=20 act that has potentially draconian penalties for those = who misrepresent the=20 nature of what they are selling). Bottom line is that the practice = is=20 reprehensible and I hope your comments will engender a change in their=20 practices.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Paul</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmatt@braintan.com href=3D"mailto:matt@braintan.com">Matt = Richards</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@xmission.com=20 href=3D"mailto:hist_text@xmission.com">hist_text@xmission.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 16, 2004 = 6:04=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: Fraudulent = Brain=20 Tan</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack = size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Hi Folks, = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack = size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: = black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack = size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">There are a lot of companies = selling=20 various 'imitation' brain tans these days, and as someone who does = real brain=20 tan, I have no problem with it as long as it is labeled as such. = However, some=20 businesses are attempting to sell imitations as the real thing in = order to=20 increase their profit margins. <BR><BR>Fox Valley Leather has started = selling=20 an imitation brain tan that has been tanned with glutaraldehyde and = then=20 smoked at the end as 'real brain tan', according to their head tanner = Bill=20 Brown. If you look at their catalog it states that it is <I><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">'real brain-tan leather'</SPAN></I> = <I><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">' to the specifications of the = traditional tannages=20 from the historic past'</SPAN></I>. If you call their customer service = people=20 and ask if this is real brain tan, tanned with just brains and = woodsmoke, they=20 will tell you that it indeed is, as will their owner Scott Drollinger. = If you=20 talk to Bill Brown, the head tanner, he will tell you they are = glutaraldehyde=20 tanned. They are selling them for $8 - $12 a sq ft. <BR><BR>Basically = they are=20 selling what would normally cost $5 to $6 a square foot for $12 a sq = ft by=20 misrepresenting what they are selling. If you bought brain tan from = them, this=20 is what you got. They are usually reputable people and I'm sure they = would=20 refund your money if you asked. They started this particular episode = of=20 misleading advertising (they had one previous one) this spring. One = real brain=20 tanner, Mike Foltmer, lost a big order for a club in <st1:State=20 w:st=3D"on">Wyoming</st1:State>, because the members decided that they = could get=20 the same exact, genuine, brain tan from <st1:place = w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName=20 w:st=3D"on">Fox</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType=20 w:st=3D"on">Valley</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> for less. They bought = it, and=20 have probably put hundreds of hours into making their gear out of = these=20 chemically tanned skins. <BR><BR>'imitation brain tans' are tanned = with=20 formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde or syntans (synthetic tannins). They have = the=20 grain removed, and often are smoked at the end to cover the chemical = smell.=20 Typically, they sell for about $5 to $6 a sq ft. They are different = than brain=20 tan in the way they perform and the way they feel on your body, and in = their=20 durability. However, if you don't want to shell out the cash for the = real=20 thing, they are the most convincing = imitation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack = size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: = black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack = size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I have nothing against = imitation brain=20 tan as long as it is clearly labeled as such. If companies are allowed = to use=20 this type of misleading labeling on brain tan then the practice will = spread.=20 If you don't believe that it is appropriate to be selling chemically = tanned=20 hides as 'real brain tan' please let them know. <BR><BR>Contacting = them is=20 hugely effective and necessary if we don=92t want this practice to = spread. Here=20 is their contact information. I would personally direct it at Bill = Brown as he=20 is the head tanner or Scott Drollinger the owner. Be polite.=20 <BR><BR><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Fox</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType=20 w:st=3D"on">Valley</st1:PlaceType> Tanning <BR>633 <st1:place=20 w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">West</st1:PlaceName> = <st1:PlaceType=20 w:st=3D"on">Center</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName=20 w:st=3D"on">Street</st1:PlaceName> <BR><st1:PlaceName=20 w:st=3D"on">North</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName = w:st=3D"on">Salt</st1:PlaceName>=20 <st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">Lake</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName=20 w:st=3D"on">UT</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> 84054 <BR><BR>800 779-2709. = When the=20 machine answers, punch 2 to get switched to their sales division, and = then 5=20 to talk to Bill Brown their Head Tanner or 3 to talk to Scott = Drollinger the=20 owner. From 9 to 5 mountain time. <BR><BR>foxleather@aol.com=20 <BR><BR>Personally I think phone calls and regular mail are the most=20 effective. Bill or Scott are the most important people to talk to as = he is the=20 head of this project.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack = size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: = black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack = size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">PS. My name is Matt Richards. = I wrote=20 the book =93Deerskins into Buckskins=94 about how to do brain tanning = and host=20 www.braintan.com. If you would like to see a screen shot of their = catalog page=20 so you know exactly how misleading this is, see <A=20 = href=3D"http://64.124.46.34/WebX?233@@.ee83c4a/206!enclosure=3D.ee89d29">= http://64.124.46.34/WebX?233@@.ee83c4a/206!enclosure=3D.ee89d29</A><o:p><= /o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C483C7.0A6A84A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:47:28 -0600 From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fraudulent Brain Tan > Matt, > > Thanks for a well-written and informative post. > > I can not speak for the state laws where these folks do business, but were > they to be operating in Texas and many other states, or if they were to sell > imitation brain tan as the real thing in Texas (and other states) by mail, > they have committed fraud and would be in violation, as just one example, of > what we refer to as the Deceptive Trade Practices Act (a act that has > potentially draconian penalties for those who misrepresent the nature of what > they are selling). Bottom line is that the practice is reprehensible and I > hope your comments will engender a change in their practices. > > Regards, > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Richards > To: hist_text@xmission.com > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:04 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Fraudulent Brain Tan > > > Hi Folks, > > > > There are a lot of companies selling various 'imitation' brain tans these > days, and as someone who does real brain tan, I have no problem with it as > long as it is labeled as such. However, some businesses are attempting to sell > imitations as the real thing in order to increase their profit margins. > > Fox Valley Leather has started selling an imitation brain tan that has been > tanned with glutaraldehyde and then smoked at the end as 'real brain tan', > according to their head tanner Bill Brown. If you look at their catalog it > states that it is 'real brain-tan leather' ' to the specifications of the > traditional tannages from the historic past'. If you call their customer > service people and ask if this is real brain tan, tanned with just brains and > woodsmoke, they will tell you that it indeed is, as will their owner Scott > Drollinger. If you talk to Bill Brown, the head tanner, he will tell you they > are glutaraldehyde tanned. They are selling them for $8 - $12 a sq ft. > > Basically they are selling what would normally cost $5 to $6 a square foot for > $12 a sq ft by misrepresenting what they are selling. If you bought brain tan > from them, this is what you got. They are usually reputable people and I'm > sure they would refund your money if you asked. They started this particular > episode of misleading advertising (they had one previous one) this spring. One > real brain tanner, Mike Foltmer, lost a big order for a club in Wyoming, > because the members decided that they could get the same exact, genuine, brain > tan from Fox Valley for less. They bought it, and have probably put hundreds > of hours into making their gear out of these chemically tanned skins. > > 'imitation brain tans' are tanned with formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde or syntans > (synthetic tannins). They have the grain removed, and often are smoked at the > end to cover the chemical smell. Typically, they sell for about $5 to $6 a sq > ft. They are different than brain tan in the way they perform and the way they > feel on your body, and in their durability. However, if you don't want to > shell out the cash for the real thing, they are the most convincing imitation. > > > > I have nothing against imitation brain tan as long as it is clearly labeled as > such. If companies are allowed to use this type of misleading labeling on > brain tan then the practice will spread. If you don't believe that it is > appropriate to be selling chemically tanned hides as 'real brain tan' please > let them know. > > Contacting them is hugely effective and necessary if we don't want this > practice to spread. Here is their contact information. I would personally > direct it at Bill Brown as he is the head tanner or Scott Drollinger the > owner. Be polite. > > Fox Valley Tanning > 633 West Center Street > North Salt Lake UT 84054 > > 800 779-2709. When the machine answers, punch 2 to get switched to their sales > division, and then 5 to talk to Bill Brown their Head Tanner or 3 to talk to > Scott Drollinger the owner. From 9 to 5 mountain time. > > foxleather@aol.com > > Personally I think phone calls and regular mail are the most effective. Bill > or Scott are the most important people to talk to as he is the head of this > project. > > > > PS. My name is Matt Richards. I wrote the book "Deerskins into Buckskins" > about how to do brain tanning and host www.braintan.com. If you would like to > see a screen shot of their catalog page so you know exactly how misleading > this is, see http://64.124.46.34/WebX?233@@.ee83c4a/206!enclosure=.ee89d29 > Scott knows nothing about tanning, Bill Brown is the key to the entire operation and is an excellent tanner. Scott runs the company for his family. Bill is part owner as well. Any tanning questions should be directed to Bill, Scott will only speak to you on his damn speaker phone. Joe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:41:57 -0500 From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@myexcel.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Blantant Commercial Plug for AMM Brother Rick Fisher, Deceased, Books This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C48529.217FE640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just learned that AMM Pilgrim Dacotah Rooster (Mark Roster) will be = setting up his trade tent at the Bridger Rendezvous. What caught my special attention is that he will be offering the book = published by our deceased Brother, Rick Fisher, The Rascal and the = Soothsayer's Prophecy. This is as fine a piece of fiction (with a lot = of Rick's family and period correct history woven in the tale) as you = are likely to read. It has been (and continues to be) submitted for = consideration to a number of writing and historical societies for = possible writing awards. If you like an interesting tale, be sure to = see Rooster while at Bridger. I do not know if Rooster will also have any of the CD's or tapes Rick = released just before his unexpected passing, but if so, take a listen. = The title for these poems and stories is Tales of the Trail, and they = are first quality. Just listening to the timber of Rick's voice brings = him back to the campfire as he weaves his tales with humor, a love of = history, and his respect for all things related to the Fur Trade. Regards, Paul - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C48529.217FE640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I just learned that AMM Pilgrim Dacotah = Rooster (Mark=20 Roster) will be setting up his trade tent at the Bridger=20 Rendezvous.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>What caught my special attention is that he = will be=20 offering the book published by our deceased Brother, Rick Fisher, = <EM>The Rascal=20 and the Soothsayer's Prophecy</EM>. This is as fine a piece of = fiction=20 (with a lot of Rick's family and period correct history woven in the = tale) as=20 you are likely to read. It has been (and continues to be) = submitted=20 for consideration to a number of writing and historical = societies for=20 possible writing awards. If you like an interesting tale, be = sure to=20 see Rooster while at Bridger.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I do not know if Rooster will also have any = of the=20 CD's or tapes Rick released just before his unexpected passing, but = if so,=20 take a listen. The title for these poems and stories is <EM>Tales = of the=20 Trail</EM>, and they are first quality. Just listening to the = timber of=20 Rick's voice brings him back to the campfire as he weaves his tales with = humor,=20 a love of history, and his respect for all things related to the Fur=20 Trade.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Paul</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C48529.217FE640-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:38:56 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: book suggested This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C48552.9E63CE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From another list I belong to, this book was reccomended. Available = from the not-so-authentic Amazon.com. <<Taverns and Drinking in Early America by Sharon V. Salinger and printed by Johns Hopkins Press. ISBN 0-8018-6878-5.>> Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C48552.9E63CE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D4> From another list I = belong to,=20 this book was reccomended. Available from the not-so-authentic=20 Amazon.com.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D4><STRONG> = =20 <<</STRONG><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Taverns and Drinking in = Early America=20 by Sharon V. Salinger<BR>and printed by Johns Hopkins Press. ISBN=20 0-8018-6878-5.>></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D4>Frank</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C48552.9E63CE50-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:40:05 -0600 From: "Keith Mitchell" <mitchellsfurco@sisna.com> Subject: MtMan-List: fake brian tan and brian tan avilabilty This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C486C3.95979320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy matt is a expert on brain tan in fact the book and dvd he has on the = subject are the best out their it is the way I lernt how as far as = availably give me a call and let me know what brain tan you want and = what the project is and I can help out keep in mind brain tan is not the = only period correct leather and I also have some cheaper chemical tanned = leather give me a call at 801-465-2969 Mitchell's fur ask for Keith = Mitchell and I can have some hides ready for Bridger if you want to look = me up their my hair on skins are not brain tan but are washable and feel = great - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C486C3.95979320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Howdy</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>matt is a expert on brain tan in fact = the book and=20 dvd he has on the subject are the best out their it is the way I lernt = how as=20 far as availably give me a call and let me know what brain tan you want = and what=20 the project is and I can help out keep in mind brain tan is not the only = period=20 correct leather and I also have some cheaper chemical tanned leather = give me a=20 call at 801-465-2969 Mitchell's fur ask for Keith Mitchell and I can = have some=20 hides ready for Bridger if you want to look me up their my hair on skins = are not=20 brain tan but are washable and feel great</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C486C3.95979320-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1387 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.