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hist_text-digest      Tuesday, September 15 1998      Volume 01 : Number 138




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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:37:28 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List?

Ho the List

John Seminerio
84-19 91 Avenue
Woodhaven, NY 11421 (Yes in the Big City)

How about putting up an achive.  I got a lot of great ideas for kids
activities when I asked for them.  HOW ABOUT AN EVENTS LIST SO WE MIGHT
ACTUALLY MEET EACH OTHER ? ? ?  Let me know if I can help.

Watch your topknot

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:37:04 -0500
From: "Johnny Rutledge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

Ok I have a question.  Does char-cloth get old and not hold a spark good.
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..


>In a message dated 98-09-13 15:04:53 EDT, you write:
>
><< To the question of burning glasses. They were used and are documented.
They
>were
> mounted in flattened wire frames with fancy little self hands. My friend
> "Digger" John used one to light his pipe when ever the sun was out. >>
>
>I've done that -- works good.  Whe I first tried it, I didn't use the char
&
>it wouldn't work, but with the char, works great -- even on partly clowdy
days
>if you have a good lense.
>NM
>

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:36:38 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

Johnny, I have had some char cloth of unknown vintage that seemed to have lost
its warm loving feeling. I'm not sure whether it was originally of the wrong
material or whether it had gone "stale" as you suggested might happen. Did you
have some char that went bad? I also inherited some char from a friend who gave
me her flint and steel kit (in a Cash can) and it seemed to work just fine and
had been in the little can inside the brass container for probably ten years at
least. 'Bout' all I know on that subject. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

Johnny Rutledge wrote:

> Ok I have a question.  Does char-cloth get old and not hold a spark good.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..
>
> >In a message dated 98-09-13 15:04:53 EDT, you write:
> >
> ><< To the question of burning glasses. They were used and are documented.
> They
> >were
> > mounted in flattened wire frames with fancy little self hands. My friend
> > "Digger" John used one to light his pipe when ever the sun was out. >>
> >
> >I've done that -- works good.  Whe I first tried it, I didn't use the char
> &
> >it wouldn't work, but with the char, works great -- even on partly clowdy
> days
> >if you have a good lense.
> >NM
> >

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:58:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

Dear Gail,  yes yes yes to the bar-b-que; done it many times; use darn near
any kind of 100% untreated cotton, and cut it into about 1 to 2 inch squares.
take a can with a removable or hinged top, make a bailing wire handle if
necessary, and using a nail, punch a small hole in the top. stack the squares
inside, put the top on, and set the can down in the coals. let it 'cook' JUST
until it stops spewing smoke from the hole,then remove the can from the heat,
drop the nail in the hole to close it up and let it cool COMPLETELY. voila'.
when you open the can you should have black squares of charred cotton, not too
brittle, unless you over-cooked it. if its not done enough, it can be put back
on the heat to finish up. the smoke stopping is the best indicator of when its
done. hope this helps.  yhs, PJ

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:08:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

Dear Bill, I've had very limited success using a burning lens directly on
tinder. Mostly it gets to smoldering, but not to burning. You may have a
chance with very dry grasses but it takes a long time and a steady hand; seems
like starting almost any charred material (cotton, punk-wood, etc) with a lens
is a heck of a lot easier PJ

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:03:13 -0400
From: "Sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

Aye... the Tad Cash lens is not that good.  A couple of years ago at the
Alifia I bought several lenses about 2" across... made a small leather pouch
to keep it in... and it works great.  Forgot all about the lenses in my
trying to use flint and steel.  I'll add taht to my web page...

Seanbear
aka Addison Miller
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..


>Bill, You got a good answer  from Randal and the only thing I can add is
that I
>use the punky wood fibers from inside very rotten birch logs to make
excellent
>char that is probably more likely what was used originally. There are other
>forms of rotten wood that will char ok too. It is fun to experiment with
>different material. Another material that works good is real course linen
>fabric, as course as canvas. It just needs to be natural plant fibers.
>
>To the question of burning glasses. They were used and are documented. They
were
>mounted in flattened wire frames with fancy little self hands. My friend
>"Digger" John used one to light his pipe when ever the sun was out. ONe of
the
>things you need to look out for is that the lens will actually focus enough
sun
>heat to light the char. Not all lenses will work well. I have one in a Ted
Cash
>tobacco tin that just won't quit make the grade. But in any case, you get
char
>to smoldering and then blow the heat into you're tinder as you would if
using
>flint and steel. A really good lens will get unburned ( un charred
material) to
>smolder but it is an all day job to get enough heat to make fire.
>
>Another chance to have fun experimenting, knowing that it can be done. Good
>luck, I remain....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>
>Bill Murphy wrote:
>
>> At 10:37 AM 9/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> >    Good morning:     Can you make charcloth in a gas  bar-b-que? What
kind
>> >of cloth is best to use and do you suggest a certain size.  Thanks for
the
>> >help.   Gail Carbiener
>>
>>    Speaking of char-clothe, I have not seen much discussion of the use of
a
>> "burning lens" to start fire. Is it used on a char clothe, or directly on
>> very small kindling. Was it used much as opposed to flint and steel?
(yeah,
>> I know, hard to use a burning lense in moonlight)
>>
>>                             Bill
>
>
>
>Bill Murphy wrote:
>
>> At 10:37 AM 9/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> >    Good morning:     Can you make charcloth in a gas  bar-b-que? What
kind
>> >of cloth is best to use and do you suggest a certain size.  Thanks for
the
>> >help.   Gail Carbiener
>>
>>    Speaking of char-clothe, I have not seen much discussion of the use of
a
>> "burning lens" to start fire. Is it used on a char clothe, or directly on
>> very small kindling. Was it used much as opposed to flint and steel?
(yeah,
>> I know, hard to use a burning lense in moonlight)
>>
>>                             Bill
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:03:22 -0700
From: "Gail Carbiener" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Char cloth

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It worked!

Thanks to all who sent response on char cloth in the Gas Bar-b-que. I =
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second strike with the flint... it worked beatifully. It caught and =
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:13:10 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: David Fritsch:off topic

David,drop me a line,My puter crashed and I lost my e-mail address file.
Jeff Powers



If a tin whistle is made out of tin,what is a fog horn made out of?

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:13:24 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

   >>    Good morning:     Can you make charcloth in a gas  bar-b-que?
   >>What kind of cloth is best to use and do you suggest a certain
   >>size.  Thanks for the help.   Gail Carbiener
   >Speaking of char-clothe, I have not seen much discussion of the use
   >of a "burning lens" to start fire. Is it used on a char clothe, or
   >directly on very small kindling. Was it used much as opposed to
   >flint and steel? (yeah, I know, hard to use a burning lense in
   >moonlight)
   >Bill
         Fr. Henepin's accounts of trade goods(1689, If I remember it)
listed "burning lenses" at about double the # of strike a lites that they
had in stock.
Jeff



If a tin whistle is made out of tin,what is a fog horn made out of?

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:56:35 -0700
From: Gary Bell <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Location List

Good morning all!

I am stashing all the replies to the Location List message
thread, and so far have five or six folks wanting too be listed
and a couple of offers to merge with other existing lists.

I checked out the other lists, and there is some merit to that
idea, although they do not just now have very many of the names I
have been seeing on our list on them, it seems to be a win / win
deal if we post our info on them.  I don't feel that I have the
right to submit other members data to those lists however, so
presently when I get a better list of US gathered I will email
those who asked to be on our list with suggested 'net addresses
- -- URL's -- of the better lists I've found and invite them to
submit there as well.

I still think that we could profit from a list of our own,
stashed somewhere handy around here, and I hope we can get more
of our members included.  That's a suggestion folks, HINT, HINT!
Please let me know if you folks agree and want to be a part of
our list.  Also feel free to suggest ideas to make our efforts
work better too.....

Your not especially humble scribe type servant,

Gary Bell

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:52:04 -0600
From: Dean Rudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mime-Version: 1.0

approve ushsetxt subscribe hist_text [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:23:10 +0100
From: phyllis nowosad <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Joseph Renville

Hi ,
I am a decendent of Joseph Renville. First of all he was not an Anglophone. He
was a Metis,( part French part Indian, mixed or half breed is referred to when
the person is half Anglo and Indian) and the original Joseph DeRainville was
French from Britagne France. Other than that the Renvilles were part French
and part Souix. The original Joseph De Rainville married a Souix women fromt
he family of Petit Corbeau, father of Little Crow last great Chief of the Souix.
Phyllis Nowosad

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:29:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

In a message dated 98-09-13 17:41:47 EDT, you write:

<< Ok I have a question.  Does char-cloth get old and not hold a spark good.
>>

Not if it's dry.  Sometimes it'll get realy crumbly & fall appart, but even
then, if it's dry, it'll work.  If you have some that isn't working, you can
dry it & try again.

NM

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:50:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List?

I'm happy to help out any newbee, we live in western New York 14423 zip area,
E-mail at [e-mail].

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:50:26 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Charcloth..

In a message dated 98-09-13 17:41:47 EDT, you write:

<<(Johnny Rutledge)
 Ok I have a question.  Does char-cloth get old and not hold a spark good.
 - >>
It can get damp if you do not keep it in an air tight container.  And once it
is damp (and this is true of your tinder/tow as well) it is tough if not
impossible to get to burn.  I have heated it in a oven and got it dryed out
again but it also tends to get crumbly so now I just make new.

Your humble servant,

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:24:32 -0400
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Location List?

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I'm happy to help out any newbee, we live in western New York 14423 zip area,
> E-mail at [e-mail].

Same here from Central NY....zip is 14882.

Fred

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