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hist_text-digest Saturday, March 13 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1332
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
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-áááááá MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
-áááááá MtMan-List: Open Range
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:54:42 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
Lou,
Unless your rich or retired and rich, go with wool blankets, you won't
be disappointed.
Like I said before, if brain tanned buff hides are so fantastic, why
did EVERY indian want wool blankets?
bb
> I live in Southern California.
>
> Lou
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:21:43 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
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In a message dated 3/11/04 7:55:15 PM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes:
> Like I said before, if brain tanned buff hides are so fantastic, why
> did EVERY indian want wool blankets?
>
BECAUSE THEY HAD TONS OF BRAIN TANNED ROBES... BEAVER! They wanted wool
blankets when it wasn't cold out....for crying out loud. Don't make me come
over there....
Magpie
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In a message dated 3/11/04 7:55:15 PM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:42:04 -0800
From: "RP Lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
bb,
Why? Good question. Have you run down many buffalo on horse back? How about
skinning and gutting such a critter and processing not only the meat but
that big thick hide? And if those foolish white eyes will trade a blanket
for a few pelts that are easy enough to come by why not? Besides white man's
possessions are magic.
Capt. Lahti'
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
> Lou,
> Unless your rich or retired and rich, go with wool blankets, you won't
> be disappointed.
> Like I said before, if brain tanned buff hides are so fantastic, why
> did EVERY indian want wool blankets?
> bb
>
>
>
>
>
> > I live in Southern California.
> >
> > Lou
> >
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:22:37 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
bb, It wasn't easy for me to give up over $600 for a 5' x 8' cow buff
robe, brain tanned by Wes Housler. I'm a working stiff, mechanic. I had
it a while before I really gave it a COLD weather test. I first used it in
the cold up near Donner Pass , in the Sierra Mtns, in mid November. It was
snowy and about 0 degrees. I used it and a whitney blanket inside a canvas
tent. My boots froze, everything froze...except...ME. I woke up in the
morning and it took me a minute to realize where I was. I was warm and
cozy, and in a very cold situation. At that moment I realized a brain tan
buff robe was a good investment. I have since camped in the same area,
similar conditions. The first night I got cold, because I pushed off the
covers. The second night I put the blanket under me, buff robe over
me...and slept like a baby. I take good care off my buff robe. I hang it
on a clothes line after every use, and beat it with a tennis racket to
clean. I have had it 5 years, or so, and it looks and acts just like it
did when it was new. I realize that $600 -700 is a lot of money, but I am
sure glad I made this investment. It also makes a difference in whether my
wife will camp with me , or not. She's done several canoe trips, etc.. in
summer. But, if it is cold she wants to stay home...UNLESS I have the buff
robe. In my opinion, it is a good investment. Yfab, Randy
> [Original Message]
> From: RP Lahti <amm1719@charter.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: 3/11/04 9:42:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
>
> bb,
>
> Why? Good question. Have you run down many buffalo on horse back? How
about
> skinning and gutting such a critter and processing not only the meat but
> that big thick hide? And if those foolish white eyes will trade a blanket
> for a few pelts that are easy enough to come by why not? Besides white
man's
> possessions are magic.
>
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
>
>
> > Lou,
> > Unless your rich or retired and rich, go with wool blankets, you
won't
> > be disappointed.
> > Like I said before, if brain tanned buff hides are so fantastic, why
> > did EVERY indian want wool blankets?
> > bb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I live in Southern California.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > >
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:14:16 -0700
From: "Larry" <L.Renney@bresnan.net>
Subject: RE: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
go with wool blankets, you won't be disappointed.
just a bit of advice from my recent experience. Went on our fall trip with
a ground cloth, 2 wool blankets and a tarp shelter. made the mistake of
just grabbing a couple of blanket and did not check them for size. 1
blanket under me, and the other was too small to fold over me. spent a long
cold night. so first off, check the blankets for size and make sure they go
over you. I would recommend you get blankets that are at least 60"x80".
This is what most 3 1/2 point blankets measure out as. at this size, I
recommend using a couple of blanket pins so when you roll over, you keep
covered and tie off the bottom.
for winter camp I used 4 3 1/2 point blankets. laid one out, the next was
laid half over it and the original then had other half folded, then the
seconded folded over that making an envelope with 2 layers under you and 2
over you, then enclosed that in 2 additional blankets. This I then placed
in an old canvas mattress bag with ties on the side. I had a sheep skin and
buffalo robe under me which were on top of a waterproof tarp (iron oxide and
linseed oil). slept warm as long as I kept my head under cover. Be careful
of the linseed oil tarp in the winter, it gets brittle. If your partner
isn't careful, he can run his hawk thru it when he is breaking up the packed
snow and ice to prepare when he is going to bed down.
dogbone
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:15:50 -0700
From: "Larry" <L.Renney@bresnan.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Bedding
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:35:44 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
Does anyone have experience with paired blankets...ie: tow 3 point end to
end (not ripped). This sounds intersting to me, as you could lay on one,
fold it over on top of you, and not have it easy for feet to stick out.
This is a problem I have had, as I am over 6' tall. I pull the blanket
over my head, and expose feet. I don't realize it until feet are COOOOLD.
Yfab, Randy
> [Original Message]
> From: Larry <L.Renney@bresnan.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: 3/11/04 10:18:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
>
> go with wool blankets, you won't be disappointed.
>
> just a bit of advice from my recent experience. Went on our fall trip
with
> a ground cloth, 2 wool blankets and a tarp shelter. made the mistake of
> just grabbing a couple of blanket and did not check them for size. 1
> blanket under me, and the other was too small to fold over me. spent a
long
> cold night. so first off, check the blankets for size and make sure they
go
> over you. I would recommend you get blankets that are at least 60"x80".
> This is what most 3 1/2 point blankets measure out as. at this size, I
> recommend using a couple of blanket pins so when you roll over, you keep
> covered and tie off the bottom.
>
> for winter camp I used 4 3 1/2 point blankets. laid one out, the next was
> laid half over it and the original then had other half folded, then the
> seconded folded over that making an envelope with 2 layers under you and 2
> over you, then enclosed that in 2 additional blankets. This I then placed
> in an old canvas mattress bag with ties on the side. I had a sheep skin
and
> buffalo robe under me which were on top of a waterproof tarp (iron oxide
and
> linseed oil). slept warm as long as I kept my head under cover. Be
careful
> of the linseed oil tarp in the winter, it gets brittle. If your partner
> isn't careful, he can run his hawk thru it when he is breaking up the
packed
> snow and ice to prepare when he is going to bed down.
> dogbone
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:36:08 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedding
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In a message dated 3/11/04 10:20:23 PM, L.Renney@bresnan.net writes:
> OOOO I dare ya to come over! Oh and bring some trade goods too.
>
Haaaaaa....! Works with my kids anyway.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:32:54 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
First off, Magpie, please don't come over and kick my butt. There is
already a line here in Montana kicking my butt.
Randy, sounds like your brain tanned robe is a good bed. I'm curious
about other robes. I have only a commercial tanned hide which I know
is inferior to a brain tanned one. The worse thing I hate about it is
when it gets wet or soaked. Certainly that happens to brain tanned
ones. Is it as much a pain to dry out as mine?
Speaking of brain tanned robes, I just got my Traditional Tanners
catalog in the mail. This is Matt Richards company. I've never seen
his catalog before and it is nice. I met him and his gang at Vipond
Park at the Western National awhile ago. Nice bunch of free spirits.
His prices however look a lot higher than Wes Housler's.
$895 for Matt's and $600 for Wes's! I can buy a lot of wool blankets
and Madeira wine with that much cash!
bb
> bb, It wasn't easy for me to give up over $600 for a 5' x 8' cow buff
> robe, brain tanned by Wes Housler. I'm a working stiff, mechanic. I had
> it a while before I really gave it a COLD weather test. I first used it
> in
> the cold up near Donner Pass , in the Sierra Mtns, in mid November. It
> was
> snowy and about degrees. I used it and a whitney blanket inside a
> canvas
> tent. My boots froze, everything froze...except...ME. I woke up in the
> morning and it took me a minute to realize where I was. I was warm and
> cozy, and in a very cold situation. At that moment I realized a brain tan
> buff robe was a good investment. I have since camped in the same area,
> similar conditions. The first night I got cold, because I pushed off the
> covers. The second night I put the blanket under me, buff robe over
> me...and slept like a baby. I take good care off my buff robe. I hang it
> on a clothes line after every use, and beat it with a tennis racket to
> clean. I have had it 5 years, or so, and it looks and acts just like it
> did when it was new. I realize that $600 -700 is a lot of money, but I am
> sure glad I made this investment. It also makes a difference in whether
> my
> wife will camp with me , or not. She's done several canoe trips, etc.. in
> summer. But, if it is cold she wants to stay home...UNLESS I have the
> buff
> robe. In my opinion, it is a good investment. Yfab, Randy
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: RP Lahti <amm1719@charter.net>
>> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> Date: 3/11/04 9:42:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
>>
>> bb,
>>
>> Why? Good question. Have you run down many buffalo on horse back? How
> about
>> skinning and gutting such a critter and processing not only the meat but
>> that big thick hide? And if those foolish white eyes will trade a
>> blanket
>> for a few pelts that are easy enough to come by why not? Besides white
> man's
>> possessions are magic.
>>
>> Capt. Lahti'
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
>> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
>>
>>
>> > Lou,
>> > Unless your rich or retired and rich, go with wool blankets, you
> won't
>> > be disappointed.
>> > Like I said before, if brain tanned buff hides are so fantastic,
>> why
>> > did EVERY indian want wool blankets?
>> > bb
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > I live in Southern California.
>> > >
>> > > Lou
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:49:01 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
Capt.,
I have shot one buff as my neighbor raises them. I have gutted and
skinned and fleshed several and it is no easy chore I know. Without a
good horse or a pickup to flip it over it is a real big job. It is no
wonder why the buff was the King of the Plains!
But what does that matter to you and me though? The women did all that
work anyway?
Perhaps the same reason the indian covets the white man's possesions a
white man covets the indians? Sometimes I think the brain tanned buff
hide is as much a statis symbol as it is functional.
But of course, I could be wrong.
bb
> bb,
>
> Why? Good question. Have you run down many buffalo on horse back? How
> about
> skinning and gutting such a critter and processing not only the meat but
> that big thick hide? And if those foolish white eyes will trade a blanket
> for a few pelts that are easy enough to come by why not? Besides white
> man's
> possessions are magic.
>
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
>
>
>> Lou,
>> Unless your rich or retired and rich, go with wool blankets, you
>> won't
>> be disappointed.
>> Like I said before, if brain tanned buff hides are so fantastic, why
>> did EVERY indian want wool blankets?
>> bb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I live in Southern California.
>> >
>> > Lou
>> >
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:08:24 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: MtMan-List: Bedding
bb, My robe got pretty wet while I was in Texas last month. The
rain came down hard and long. I was wet, yet still warm. I strung a rope
between two trees the next day and hung the robe over it, and then left for
the Alamo. When I came back to camp that late afternoon the robe was dry
and fluffy. After I got home I did what I always do after using it out on
the ground. I hung it on my clothesline and worked it over good with a
tennis racket to knock out dust, chaf, etc.... The robe is as pretty as
ever. I've never had a commercial tanned robe, but I understand that they
are heavier and more expensive. Wes's robes seem to be the most reasonably
priced ones available, but they are still an expensive luxary. I'm happy I
took the plunge though. I expect that with good care it will last me a
looong time. I used an elk robe before I got the buff. The problem with
it is that the hairs break and you wake up in the morning feeling like you
had a haircut (scratchy). I solved this by using a tight woven mexican
blanket between me and the elk robe. It is still a poor substitute for a
good buff robe. I know Matt's website ( braintan.com ) , but haven't
seen his catalog. I learned a lot about braintanning from Matt's book and
website. A few good blankets will be half the price of a nice robe. See
you on the trail. Yfab, Randy
> [Original Message]
> From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
>
>
> Randy, sounds like your brain tanned robe is a good bed. I'm curious
> about other robes. I have only a commercial tanned hide which I know
> is inferior to a brain tanned one. The worse thing I hate about it is
> when it gets wet or soaked. Certainly that happens to brain tanned
> ones. Is it as much a pain to dry out as mine?
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:57:34 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
I need some brief loading info for .50 cal rifles. I don't know the twist
or make. Just some simple loads for two friends that own .50 cal.
Thanks a ton,
bb
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:14:48 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Open Range
Just watched "Open Range". Pretty violent movie.
I have to say, I still think "Shane" is the king of all "shoot up
the bad guys in town" movies. It was much less violent too yet was
able to convey the message with simple scripts and the looks on
actors faces. Then in the end Shane left town as there is "no
living with a killing". Yep, Hollywood just can't make them like
they used too. They think more violence and special effects will
somehow make it better.
Rent both copies of Cape Fear and you'll see what I mean. The
original was every bit as scary yet much less violent then the
remake. And still it was scary. The remake is garbage in my opinion.
I took one look at the scenery in Open Range and told my wife "That
is Alberta!" I was right too, had to watch a list of credits five
minutes long to see I was right. Pretty scenery in Open Range, I'll
give him credit for that. But then Shane's backdrop ain't too shabby
either.
Sorry for the kind of off topic opinion. They did have bp pistols
anyway.
bb
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:19:38 -0700
From: "Ben" <beb1@sisna.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
Hi beaverboy,
I'm far from an expert, but 90 grains of FFg gives me the best accuracy in
my .50 Hawkins.
I started out at 60 grains and went clear up to 110. 110 was blasting out
un burned powder for the muzzle. ( I was shooting over snow so it was easy
to see). My best advise is have them start out around 60 or 70 grains and
move up in 10 grain increments until they find a load their rifle likes.
For what it's worth :)
Ben
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> I need some brief loading info for .50 cal rifles. I don't know the twist
> or make. Just some simple loads for two friends that own .50 cal.
> Thanks a ton,
> bb
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:20:04 -0600
From: "Thom Frazier" <mnthom@arvig.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
Research into 18th (early 19th) century loads indicate the standard powder
charge for rifles was 1/4 the ball weight. For a 50 cal ball weighing 188
grains the powder charge would be 47 gr. The thing to consider here is twist
or rate of turn of the barrel. Old barrels varied greatly but averaged
around 1:48" Barrels made today tend to be at a slower rate than old
barrels. The 50 cal barrels today are commonly 1:70". They were made to
shoot more powder to increase muzzle velocity.
I recommend the range of 50 gr to 90 gr.
Some 50s like .495 ball others .490. My custom guns with Green Mountain and
Getz barrels perform best with .495 ball and 75 gr. of FFg.
In shorter barrels 36' or less try 60 grs of FFFg. I agree with others on
the list, more than 90 grs is probably a waste of powder but it DOES
increase recoil and internal pressure in the barrel.
Hope this helps.
Weeping Heart Gunn Shoppe
Thom Frazier
36732 Oak Point Rd.
New York Mills MN 56567
218-385-2074
mnthom@arvig.net
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I need some brief loading info for .50 cal rifles. I don't know the twist
or make. Just some simple loads for two friends that own .50 cal.
Thanks a ton,
bb
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:23:03 +0000
From: "Sean Boushie" <flintlocknfur@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
50 grains of 2F for targets, 75 grains for hunting, with a .490 ball over
.015-.018 pillow ticking lubed with the murphy oil soap mix for targets or
2/3 bear grease and 1/3 beeswax when hunting. Thats out of a Getz 1 in 66".
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>I need some brief loading info for .50 cal rifles. I don't know the twist
>or make. Just some simple loads for two friends that own .50 cal.
> Thanks a ton,
> bb
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:41:02 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <yellowroseforge@vzinet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
70 gr. of FFFg and a .495 ball patched with .015 material works for me.
Pendleton
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:09:20 -0600
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: .50 cal loads
beaver---
start with 50 gr of fffg and do your thing---56 gr of fffg is usually the
ideal load for a 1-48 to a 1 66 barrel---
nuff said hawk---
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