Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1801 Jefferson Peace Medal
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Magpie,
I saw that show, but didn't seem to get as much detail about the metal as you did.(Just wasen't paying enough attention I guess)
I think on the same show they had a set of "Double - Double" Gals Leg (Silver inlay leg out to the rowel and one around the heel on both sides of each spur) spurs with Self locking rowelss.(The "host" said the man that made it was said to have had a patend on the design. But he had never found a record of it.)
I have a set of "Single" Gals Leg (Leg inlay only out to the rowel with metal heel band) spurs with rolling rowels that belonged to my dad.
The rollers are really worn in the hole around the pin, showing they were really used a lot. I know one of my uncles said dad had rode a lot. Don't know if he got them new or traded for them.
The "expert" on the show said they were made by a man that first lived in Eastern OK., then he moved to Texas to make a business making spurs, then returned to OK. (Imp ling he didn't make it.)
Anyway dad grew up in Eastern OK.
SWcushing@aol.com wrote:
Did anyone happen to see the original 1801 Jefferson Peace Medal on the Antique Roadshow the other night? I didn't get the complete history of the medal, but the owner lived in Oklahoma and got the coin from some Indians I guess. What fascinated me most is, the medal appeared to be made in three pieces...front and back sandwiched together and a band around the edge.....and it was original!
Fairly worn on the front and back, with a small de-lamination of the two sides and the band broken
It also appraised for only $40,000 to $50,000.... ! I've got a one piece bronze medal I'd let go of for somewhat less.
Magpie
George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com >
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<DIV>Magpie,</DIV>
<DIV> I saw that show, but didn't seem to get as much detail about the metal as you did.(Just wasen't paying enough attention I guess)</DIV>
<DIV> I think on the same show they had a set of "Double - Double" Gals Leg (Silver inlay leg out to the rowel and one around the heel on both sides of each spur) spurs with Self locking rowelss.(The "host" said the man that made it was said to have had a patend on the design. But he had never found a record of it.)</DIV>
<DIV>I have a set of "Single" Gals Leg (Leg inlay only out to the rowel with metal heel band) spurs with rolling rowels that belonged to my dad.</DIV>
<DIV>The rollers are really worn in the hole around the pin, showing they were really used a lot. I know one of my uncles said dad had rode a lot. Don't know if he got them new or traded for them.</DIV>
<DIV> The "expert" on the show said they were made by a man that first lived in Eastern OK., then he moved to Texas to make a business making spurs, then returned to OK. (Imp ling he didn't make it.)</DIV>
<DIV> Anyway dad grew up in Eastern OK. <BR><BR><B><I>SWcushing@aol.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Did anyone happen to see the original 1801 Jefferson Peace Medal on the Antique Roadshow the other night? I didn't get the complete history of the medal, but the owner lived in Oklahoma and got the coin from some Indians I guess. What fascinated me most is, the medal appeared to be made in three pieces...front and back sandwiched together and a band around the edge.....and it was original!<BR>Fairly worn on the front and back, with a small de-lamination of the two sides and the band broken<BR><BR>It also appraised for only $40,000 to $50,000.... ! I've got a one piece bronze medal I'd let go of for somewhat less.<BR><BR>Magpie</FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com >
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:51:55 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1801 Jefferson Peace Medal
I always get a kick out of that show.
It's one thing to simply appraise a value on something, it is an
altogether different thing to place a high value on something and then
backing up what you said and being prepared to pay cash on the barrel
head for it. Of course most of those appraisals wouldn't be nearly as
high if the guy appraising it was trying to buy it.
When I was buying fur we "appraised" (graded) a lot trapper catches.
Some lots were worth $10,000 and more. After we said their fur was
worth several thousands of dollars we would be told "I'll take it!".
It's easy to just appraise something with no intention of forking out
the cash, it easy to be the hero and place high values. But lets see
them fork over the cash! Then you'd see some sweaty brows.
I heard the appraisers for that show work for an insurance company!
That would explain the high appraisals. I bet they get a lot of
business before some of those people walk back out to their vehicles to
leave!
It's still a very interesting show!
bb
> Did anyone happen to see the original 1801 Jefferson Peace Medal on the
> Antique Roadshow the other night? I didn't get the complete history of the
> medal,
> but the owner lived in Oklahoma and got the coin from some Indians I
> guess.
> What fascinated me most is, the medal appeared to be made in three
> pieces...front
> and back sandwiched together and a band around the edge.....and it was
> original!
> Fairly worn on the front and back, with a small de-lamination of the two
> sides and the band broken
>
> It also appraised for only $40,000 to $50,000.... ! I've got a one piece
> bronze medal I'd let go of for somewhat less.
>
> Magpie
>
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Please post your findings about the pyramid tent. I have used them from
time and still have a little bitty one stored away somewhere, but the tent
that I now use exclusively is a medium sized bell backed wedge....French
1750 by Tentsmiths....that looks about the size of most of the wedges shown
in Miller's paintings, although I have not seen any of Miller's work that I
thought shows a bell back. It is plenty big enough for two folks (three in
a pinch) and is not questioned by anybody. I'm waiting for somebody to
comment on the bell but so far nobody has.
Tentsmith will add the blue stripes but at a handsome fee so I am content
with undecorated white canvas.
Lanney Ratcliff, Tejas Party
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> Wedge tents yes, even ONE with blue stripes. But I have never noticed any
like you have mentioned. The Baker and or Whalen is a mondern 20 century
tent, I think around WWI. I have spent much time over the last 10 years
looking at Millers works in museums and collect art catalogs from auctions
and such. What was the name of the painting you were looking at? I know the
more I look at his work the more I find.
> At this time I am putting together an article on shelters for our Jim
Baker Party web site. While pouring over tons of period writings,art and
inventory lists, there is the one that I question the use of. That is the
Prymid tent, I am sure this will fire people up! Rufus Sage tells about it
in 1841, I know its not 1840, darn close. I am still out myself, but am
looking hard into it. There is one Miller work that looks like a maybe. I
have to look at this one some more. I don't have the name of the work right
now, but when I get back home I'll pass it a long.
> Bill G.
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:26:40 -0500
From: MunevarL@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Firearm for Bear/Mountain Lion Protection
Ok, at the expense of sounding like a total greenhorn, I would like some advice on fur trade era period correct firearm recommendation for protection from mountain lions and black bears. In particular, I am looking for a firearm that I can carry with me on jaunts in the mountains,that will give me effective protection but not be overly cumbersome. Since many of these jaunts are merely exploring the mountains utilizing tools and trappings of the mountain men, and not hunting trips, I wanted a firearm that is primarily defensive. I have spent a lot of time in the woods without a firearm and felt very comfortable. But recently with mountain lion sightings increasing in frequency and with number of fatal attacks in the local foothills (and to provide comfort to a concerned wife), I wanted to get your recommendation. Will a high caliber pistol do? Let me know your thoughts.
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:03:56 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm for Bear/Mountain Lion Protection
When I'm in Griz country here in Montana I carry a Winchester Defender.
It's a .12ga riot shotgun that holds six rounds I think. It's one of
the few guns I truly feel safe with. Not a period correct choice I know
but it's my choice.
You might just piss off a big black bear with a single shot from a BP
pistol unless you can shoot it really good, hit a vital or reload
really fast or climb trees even faster. Most black bears run off
anyway. It should be good on cats, if you see them coming.
We had an elk hunter get killed and eaten by a Griz up here while he
was gutting his elk the fall of 2002. The sow sneaked up on him as he
worked! He died with his rifle leaning up against a tree. God rest his
soul.
People really are starting to use that bear spray up here a lot. But I
feel much safer with my .12ga.
Some hikes use bear bells. I'll stick with my .12ga!
I once owned an M-14 and I felt pretty safe with it loaded full and one
in the chamber! Thats was 21 - .308 rounds that I could empty pretty
accurately in well less than a minute. Yep, that made me feel safe.
I used a Ruger .44 mag pistol before switching to my Defender.
If you use a large caliber pistol for bear protection (especially Griz)
be sure to remove the front site from it.
If you go with a large caliber BP pistol be sure to practice a lot.
I've also come to the conclusion that all woodsmen should wear a decent
sized belt knife at all times for emergencies. In case a cat knocks you
down and you can't reach your weapon or even if you do something like
get tangled in a rope after capsizing a canoe. At least you have a
knife handy to cut yourself free.
Good luck,
bb
> Ok, at the expense of sounding like a total greenhorn, I would like some
> advice on fur trade era period correct firearm recommendation for
> protection from mountain lions and black bears. In particular, I am
> looking for a firearm that I can carry with me on jaunts in the
> mountains,that will give me effective protection but not be overly
> cumbersome. Since many of these jaunts are merely exploring the mountains
> utilizing tools and trappings of the mountain men, and not hunting trips,
> I wanted a firearm that is primarily defensive. I have spent a lot of
> time in the woods without a firearm and felt very comfortable. But
> recently with mountain lion sightings increasing in frequency and with
> number of fatal attacks in the local foothills (and to provide comfort to
> a concerned wife), I wanted to get your recommendation. Will a high
> caliber pistol do? Let me know your thoughts.
>
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