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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 06:55:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Teter <leeteter@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mt.Man List: BEAVER
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Mountain Men have been accused of decimating the animal population in the West. There is no doubt they made a dent in the beaver population, but I am collecting information that will show they did NOT bring beaver to the point of extinction.
Trapping was continued, for beaver, well after the 1850's. Reports by late trapper/mountaineers indicate good catches.
The Canadians intended to make "a fur desert", and never got it done (though they did make catches so slim that it was unprofitable to trap certain areas).
Homesteaders trapped, as well as out-of-work-cowboys and others. I submit that homesteaders did much to eliminate the beaver in certain areas.
The uninformed are making assumptions, due primarily to the ignorant film industry and fictional writers, that mountain men trapped the beaver to extinction. Most of us on this site know better, but If anyone can provide tidbits of solid evidence to show otherwise, I'd like to add it to my collection. If anyone has been involved in beaver reintroduction programs, it would be interesting to record dates and areas with all possible information related to the causes and dates of depopulation in those areas.
. . . I found a dam at the head of drainages leading to the Powder River, at least thirty miles from flowing Powder River water of any size. The beaver had damed a spring that sank into the sand a hundred yards from the dam. An old cowboy told me riding up on a beaver ten miles away from any water source. It threatened him by running at his horse, which spooked at the attack. It must have been on its way to new territory. This event happened in the late fifties or early sixties.
Anyone have any ideas about what other types of information could support our understanding that mountain men did NOT trap beaver to extinction? I know it is obvious to us but others need data and references.
Thanks,
Lee Teter
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<DIV>Mountain Men have been accused of decimating the animal population in the West. There is no doubt they made a dent in the beaver population, but I am collecting information that will show they did NOT bring beaver to the point of extinction. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Trapping was continued, for beaver, well after the 1850's. Reports by late trapper/mountaineers indicate good catches.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Canadians intended to make "a fur desert", and never got it done (though they did make catches so slim that it was unprofitable to trap certain areas).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Homesteaders trapped, as well as out-of-work-cowboys and others. I submit that homesteaders did much to eliminate the beaver in certain areas.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The uninformed are making assumptions, due primarily to the ignorant film industry and fictional writers, that mountain men trapped the beaver to extinction. Most of us on this site know better, but If anyone can provide tidbits of solid evidence to show otherwise, I'd like to add it to my collection. If anyone has been involved in beaver reintroduction programs, it would be interesting to record dates and areas with all possible information related to the causes and dates of depopulation in those areas.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>. . . I found a dam at the head of drainages leading to the Powder River, at least thirty miles from flowing Powder River water of any size. The beaver had damed a spring that sank into the sand a hundred yards from the dam. An old cowboy told me riding up on a beaver ten miles away from any water source. It threatened him by running at his horse, which spooked at the attack. It must have been on its way to new territory. This event happened in the late fifties or early sixties.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone have any ideas about what other types of information could support our understanding that mountain men did NOT trap beaver to extinction? I know it is obvious to us but others need data and references.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lee Teter</DIV><p><hr SIZE=1>
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:31:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Nathan Boyer <larpenteaur@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for a member
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Magpie,
Have just joined this list that I have heard about for many years. I am trying to reach a family member that is or was on this list from old emails from my father (Lee "Turtle" Boyer) and his friend (Dan "Concho" Smith), now both passed on to the other side. The family member is Barry "Buck" Conner, who I believe is also a member of the American Mountain Men Association. Any help would be wonderful.
Thank you.
Nathan Boyer
larpenteaur@yahoo.com
SWcushing@aol.com wrote:Anyone know what weekend the "Rain-de-vous" is gonna be? Seems to me it's held in February.
Thanks,
Magpie
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<DIV>Have just joined this list that I have heard about for many years. I am trying to reach a family member that is or was on this list from old emails from my father (Lee "Turtle" Boyer) and his friend (Dan "Concho" Smith), now both passed on to the other side. The family member is Barry "Buck" Conner, who I believe is also a member of the American Mountain Men Association. Any help would be wonderful.</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:35:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Nathan Boyer <larpenteaur@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for a member
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Thank you.
roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net> wrote:Nathan,
I'll post your email request on the AMM members only list. I believe Buck is still subscribed.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Magpie,
Have just joined this list that I have heard about for many years. I am trying to reach a family member that is or was on this list from old emails from my father (Lee "Turtle" Boyer) and his friend (Dan "Concho" Smith), now both passed on to the other side. The family member is Barry "Buck" Conner, who I believe is also a member of the American Mountain Men Association. Any help would be wonderful.
Thank you.
Nathan Boyer
larpenteaur@yahoo.com
SWcushing@aol.com wrote: Anyone know what weekend the "Rain-de-vous" is gonna be? Seems to me it's held in February.
Thanks,
Magpie
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<DIV>Thank you.<BR><BR><B><I>roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net></I></B> wrote:
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif" size=2>Nathan,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif" size=2>I'll post your email request on the AMM members only list. I believe Buck is still subscribed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif" size=2>YMOS<BR>Capt. Lahti'</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Have just joined this list that I have heard about for many years. I am trying to reach a family member that is or was on this list from old emails from my father (Lee "Turtle" Boyer) and his friend (Dan "Concho" Smith), now both passed on to the other side. The family member is Barry "Buck" Conner, who I believe is also a member of the American Mountain Men Association. Any help would be wonderful.</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Anyone know what weekend the "Rain-de-vous" is gonna be? Seems to me it's held in February.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Magpie</FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT>
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:05:15 GMT
From: tetontodd@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mt.Man List: BEAVER
Lee,
I have an excellent paper in my files somewhere that has excellent evidence on that topic. I'll see if I can round it up.
Todd
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:30:15 -0700
From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mt.Man List: BEAVER
Todd,
Still waiting for the pictures from the PRP Planning camp.
Ole
On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 04:05 PM, tetontodd@juno.com wrote:
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> Lee,
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> I have an excellent paper in my files somewhere that has excellent
> evidence on that topic. I'll see if I can round it up.
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> Todd
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:21:14 -0700
From: Wolverine <wolverine1@aaahawk.com>
Subject: Re[2]: MtMan-List: Rain-de-vous
Hello Candi,
Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 3:18:53 PM, you wrote:
CS> Rain-de-vous is Feb 13-15th, 2004
CS> á
CS> Twostitch
CS> Anyone know what weekend the "Rain-de-vous" is gonna be?
CS> Seems to me it's held in February.
CS> Thanks,
CS> Magpie
Even get over that Flintlock flinch magpie??
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:20:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Teter <leeteter@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: percussion caps
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O.K. I know I post a lot of questions but then, I know I need a lot of answers. I've been shooting my Patterson and the caps blow apart and tangle the cylinder. Are there any caps made that won't do that? I think it is because they are made too light weight (like aluminum foil weight). There are little bands that go around caps to keep them from blowing apart but I don't want to use them. Any ideas?
Lee
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<P>O.K. I know I post a lot of questions but then, I know I need a lot of answers. I've been shooting my Patterson and the caps blow apart and tangle the cylinder. Are there any caps made that won't do that? I think it is because they are made too light weight (like aluminum foil weight). There are little bands that go around caps to keep them from blowing apart but I don't want to use them. Any ideas?</P>