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Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1303
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hist_text-digest Thursday, January 29 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1303
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
-áááááá MtMan-List: Researchers pinpoint Lewis & Clark campsite near Missoula, Montana
-áááááá MtMan-List: Avalanches!
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:48:29 -0700
From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
I'm am in need of some info on smoking brain tan elk hides. I've had my wall tent
up since mid November for the boys to camp out whenever they want this winter.
Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the tent
with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it, then shut it down
and let it smoke away. The elk hides would be hanging from the ridge pole. Is
this an effective enough way to smoke the hides? I need to have one pair of new
drop front britches for my eldest son done by mid February. Thanks for the
replys.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
southern Idaho
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:53:34 +0000
From: "Sean Boushie" <flintlocknfur@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
Go to www.braintan.com
>From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:48:29 -0700
>
>I'm am in need of some info on smoking brain tan elk hides. I've had my
>wall tent
>up since mid November for the boys to camp out whenever they want this
>winter.
>Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the
>tent
>with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it, then shut it
>down
>and let it smoke away. The elk hides would be hanging from the ridge pole.
>Is
>this an effective enough way to smoke the hides? I need to have one pair of
>new
>drop front britches for my eldest son done by mid February. Thanks for the
>replys.
>Regards,
>Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
>southern Idaho
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:02:30 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
Dennis don't do it!!!! Not unless you want a wall tent that lets next to
no daylight through the canvas. My old tent is so smokey from just a puff
now and then coming out of the stove when loading wood or when just
lighting the stove that it is very dark inside it now. In comparson my
newer tent is bright and nice inside for reading or doing chores, the
other is like a cave.
I imagine I can clean it somehow but I can't see getting your canvas
dark and dirty on purpose.
I use my Little Chief Jerky smoker to smoke leather. I put the wood
chips directly on the heating element and it smokes so much I think
the neighbors will call the fire department. I then watch it
constantly and squirt the smoking chips with water when they flare up
into a fire.
I attach the leather being smoked to the open top, sewed in a circle
or tube shape, and sometimes use a piece of cloth to get it higher
from the heat. This rig smokes like crazy and does the job quickly. I
then just unplug it when done.
I do this when I got an afternoon to kill and have the chips, squirt
bottle, extra water and a six pack within arms reach. It works good.
But I wouldn't smoke your tent on purpose.
Good luck,
bb
> I'm am in need of some info on smoking brain tan elk hides. I've had my
> wall tent
> up since mid November for the boys to camp out whenever they want this
> winter.
> Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the
> tent
> with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it, then shut
> it down
> and let it smoke away. The elk hides would be hanging from the ridge pole.
> Is
> this an effective enough way to smoke the hides? I need to have one pair
> of new
> drop front britches for my eldest son done by mid February. Thanks for the
> replys.
> Regards,
> Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
> southern Idaho
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:07:00 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Smoking brain tan
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In a message dated 01/27/2004 11:50:33 AM Mountain Standard Time,
dennis@clearsprings.com writes:
> Since the tent is up my plan is to put the wood stove in the middle of the
> tent
> with the chimney section that is dampered. Build a fire in it,
Stitcher
The best way is to stitch it back together to form a bag. The Shoshone today
stitch a little skirt around the bottom of canvas. Then suspend it over the
smoker (5 gallon can with a smokey fire) and attach ties to the botom of the
skirt so you can stretch it out like a tipi. Keep the fire smothered with
green willows or rotten wood (I use cottonwood logs gone bad) so it will smoke
good. Keep an eye on it and a squirt bottle of water handy in case you get a
flame. It is interesting to know how a hide will catch fire and burn like
cardboard. Some Indians just do one side - i prefer both. Wallace Zundell -
Northwest Band Shoshone, would be a hundred if he were still alive - used to set up
out under a weeping willow tree with the hide suspended from a branch and his
5 gallon bucket in place underneath. His instructions were to make a wad of
grass and stuff in all the bullet holes so the smoke couldn't escape, but he
would pull the plug from time to time to peek and and inspect his progress. It
is important that the smoked hide be rolled up and kept in a cover (plastic
not period, but works well) and let the smoke percolate through the fibers for
several days. Then turn it inside out and repeat the process.
I did smoking inside my tipi one time, but it was a big pig I had raised. I
closed the flaps with the meat hung up high near the closed smoke hole, and
built the fire in the normal place. I used mostly damp hardwood chips and kept
the smoke going for a week. At the end of that time that tipi smelled so good
I was ready to eat it as well./
Good luck
Richard James
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004 11:50:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, dennis@clearsprings.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
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Stitcher<BR>
The best way is to stitch it back together to form a bag. The Shoshone=
today stitch a little skirt around the bottom of canvas. Then suspend=
it over the smoker (5 gallon can with a smokey fire) and attach ties to the=
botom of the skirt so you can stretch it out like a tipi. Keep the fi=
re smothered with green willows or rotten wood (I use cottonwood logs gone b=
ad) so it will smoke good. Keep an eye on it and a squirt bottle of wa=
ter handy in case you get a flame. It is interesting to know how a hid=
e will catch fire and burn like cardboard. Some Indians just do one si=
de - i prefer both. Wallace Zundell - Northwest Band Shoshone, w=
ould be a hundred if he were still alive - used to set up out under a weepin=
g willow tree with the hide suspended from a branch and his 5 gallon bucket=20=
in place underneath. His instructions were to make a wad of grass and=20=
stuff in all the bullet holes so the smoke couldn't escape, but he would pul=
l the plug from time to time to peek and and inspect his progress. It=20=
is important that the smoked hide be rolled up and kept in a cover (plastic=20=
not period, but works well) and let the smoke percolate through the fibers f=
or several days. Then turn it inside out and repeat the process.<BR>
<BR>
I did smoking inside my tipi one time, but it was a big pig I had raised.&nb=
sp; I closed the flaps with the meat hung up high near the closed smoke hole=
, and built the fire in the normal place. I used mostly damp hardwood=20=
chips and kept the smoke going for a week. At the end of that time tha=
t tipi smelled so good I was ready to eat it as well./<BR>
<BR>
Good luck<BR>
Richard James</B></FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:00:24 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Researchers pinpoint Lewis & Clark campsite near Missoula, Montana
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Researchers pinpoint Lewis & Clark campsite near Missoula, Montana
The Bismark Tribune (AP), 27 January 2004
Historians and scientists have found physical evidence that pinpoints =
the
campsite that Meriwether Lewis dubbed Travelers' Rest in 1805.
The five-year study may persuade the National Park Service to correct =
the
location it listed years ago -- off by a mile and a half -- in the =
national
register of historic places.
The national register locates the campsite at the confluence of Lolo =
Creek
and the Bitterroot River. The new evidence puts the site a mile and a =
half
up the creek from the river.
"This is now accepted as the true campsite," said Dale Dufour, vice
president of the Travelers' Rest Chapter of the Lewis and Clark Trail
Heritage Foundation.
Missoula archaeologist Dan Hall will detail the findings at a news
conference on Feb. 5.
The site joins a very small list of locations along the 8,000-mile =
length
of the Lewis and Clark Trail where physical evidence of the expedition =
has
been found. At Pompeys Pillar near Billings, William Clark carved his =
name
in the sandstone pillar in 1806 as the expedition returned from the =
Pacific
Ocean.
In 1989, archaeologists used magnetometry, radio carbon dating and other
techniques to locate another campsite near Great Falls at what's known =
as
the Lower Portage site. That site contained several fire rings and =
evidence
that the expedition had camped there for some time.
Travelers' Rest is now designated a state park.
Indians had camped there for untold years. An Indian guide called Toby
brought Lewis and Clark to the site in September 1805 to prepare for
crossing the Bitterroot Mountains.
The Corps of Discovery spent three days at Travelers' Rest before =
beginning
the near-fatal, 11-day crossing of the Bitterroots. They returned to =
spend
June 30 and July 1, 2 and 3, 1806, to rest before heading home.
Historians and scientists used a variety of methods to prove the exact
location of Travelers' Rest.
Aerial infrared photography showed evidence of tepee rings. Historical
research matched coordinates of latitude and longitude recorded by Lewis
and Clark. Archaeological digs turned up a latrine, a late-18th century
button and lead.
Vapor analysis verified the presence of mercury beneath the old latrine.
Mercury, which does not decompose, was the major ingredient in a =
powerful
laxative carried on the expedition.
Surrounded by a rapidly developing residential area, the campsite was
designated one of the nation's most endangered historic places in 1999.
That helped attract a grant from the Richard King Mellon Foundation,
allowing the Conservation Fund to buy 15 acres believed to be the heart =
of
the campsite.
The Conservation Fund immediately donated the site to the Montana
Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks for use as a state park.
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park.<BR><BR><BR>Indians had camped there for untold years. An Indian =
guide=20
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prepare=20
for<BR>crossing the Bitterroot Mountains.<BR><BR><BR>The Corps of =
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Foundation,<BR>allowing the Conservation Fund to buy 15 acres believed =
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:24:13 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Avalanches!
Dear List,
If you ever wondered about the force of an avalanche consider the
headline in today's Tribune.
An avalanche near Essex Montana hit a frieght train and derailed it!
It's amazing humans ever survive avalanches!
Stay warm!
bb
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/news/stories/20040129/localnews/312391.html
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