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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1271
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hist_text-digest Monday, November 17 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1271
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Jed Smith's manifest
-áááááá MtMan-List: Banff Mountain Film Festival
-áááááá MtMan-List: hand carts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hand carts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: bedding
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:04:31 -0600
From: "JIM BRYAN" <jbryan1939@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jed Smith's manifest
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This cannot hold a candle to the amount of plunder I have seen Pablo =
carry to market!!
Absalom
Women and cats will do as they wish, and men and dogs should get used to =
the idea
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Paul Jones=20
To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com=20
Cc: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:51 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Jed Smith's manifest
Thought this would be of interest.
Paul
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- -----
Following are translations from Spanish to English of Samuel Parkman's =
list of trade goods as submitted to customs officials and the letter =
from Santiago Abreu to Agust=EDn Dur=E1n regarding goods being cached by =
Parkman on the Ocate River:=20
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- -----
The Manifest of Jedediah Smith's Trade Goods
Manifest that the citizen of the United States of America, Samuel =
Par[k]man, agent of citizen Jeradiah[sic] S. Smith, deceased, presents =
to the National Customs of the Territory of New Mexico of the effects =
that he brought from the said States, whose brands and quantities are as =
follows:=20
Chest No. 1:
1 dozen small saws=20
8 large saws=20
2 dozen chisels=20
2 gross small augers=20
6 dozen panes of window glass=20
2 dozen scutcheons=20
2 dozen brass nails for curtains=20
10 gross small screws=20
6 packages iron tacks=20
2 dozen pen knives=20
1 dozen pocket razors=20
3 dozen pen knives=20
3 dozen pocket knives=20
1 dozen shaving razors=20
3 dozen shaving razors=20
2 dozen butcher knives=20
4 dozen table knives=20
7 dozen table knives=20
3 dozen butcher knives=20
4 dozen butcher knives=20
3 dozen butcher knives=20
2 dozen green razor handles=20
3 dozen white razor handles=20
2 dozen pocket razors=20
2 gross thimbles=20
2,000 needles=20
130 large needles=20
1 dozen scissors=20
3 3/4 dozen scissors=20
2 gross small spoons=20
7 small augers=20
8 large augers=20
3 dozen bone buttons=20
4 gross marble buttons=20
2 gross glass buttons=20
1 gross shell buttons=20
1 gross coat buttons=20
2 gross waistcoat buttons=20
1 dozen small files=20
1 dozen large files=20
1 dozen large files, half hollowed=20
1 dozen rasps=20
3 dozen large scutcheons=20
3 dozens small scutcheons=20
Chest No. 2:
2 dozen small saws=20
1 dozen large chisels=20
1 dozen small chisels=20
2 gross small augers=20
2 dozen brass nails, 6 inches=20
1 dozen brass nails, 3 inches=20
1/2 dozen brass nails, 3 1/2 inches=20
1 dozen carbine keys=20
8 gross small screws=20
2 packages iron tacks=20
4 packages iron tacks=20
1 dozen table knives=20
14 dozen butcher knives=20
12 dozen pocket razors=20
6 dozen knives and forks=20
4 dozen pen knives=20
2 gross thimbles=20
2 1/2 thousand needles=20
12 thousand large needles=20
1 dozen scissors=20
4 gross small spoons=20
1/2 gross table spoons=20
20 large augers=20
3 dozen bone buttons=20
5 gross marble buttons=20
2 dozen glass buttons=20
1 dozen shell buttons=20
1 dozen shell buttons for shirt=20
1 dozen yellow buttons=20
1 dozen common buttons=20
1 dozen buttons for waistcoat=20
1 dozen small files=20
2 dozen large files=20
1 dozen rasps, half hollowed=20
6 dozen large scutcheons=20
4 dozen trunk scutcheons=20
Trunk No. 3:
36 cotton handkerchiefs=20
3 pieces cotton handkerchiefs=20
5 pieces silk handkerchiefs=20
10 dozen cotton handkerchiefs=20
3 pieces silk handkerchiefs with 21 yards=20
12 short Sicilian silk tunics=20
8 pieces Indian silk handkerchiefs=20
3 carrandan short tunics=20
6 merino wool shawls=20
10 colored girl's merino wool shawls=20
7 red girl's merino wool shawl=20
6 scarlet wool shawls=20
3 pieces twill, with 36 yards=20
3 pieces white handkerchiefs for the purse=20
2 pieces yellow carrrandan with 56 yards=20
1 piece striped carrandan with 18 yards=20
2 piece vestings with 24 yards=20
2 pieces striped batiste with 24 yards=20
4 pieces indigo florentine with 76 yards=20
Chest No. 4:
3 pieces cotton handkerchiefs with 39=20
3 pieces bandanna handkerchiefs, 21 yards=20
10 pieces cotton handkerchiefs with 132 yards=20
148 pieces Indian silk handkerchief, 98 yards=20
3 short carrandan tunics=20
6 girl's merino wool shawls=20
10 colored merino wool shawls=20
7 red merino wool shawls=20
3 pieces twill, with 36 yards=20
3 pieces cotton handkerchiefs with 40 yards=20
3 pieces carrandan with 34 yards=20
1 piece striped carrandan with 18 yards=20
3 pieces vestings with 19 yards=20
Trunk No. 23:
8 pieces small striped cloth with 291 yards=20
4 pieces small cotton printed cloth with 131 yards=20
Chest No. 28:
10 pieces yellow nankin=20
25 pieces blue nankin=20
1 dozen handkerchiefs=20
6 shawls=20
8 Mandarin shawls=20
3 packages pins=20
3 pieces chintz for curtains with 84 yards=20
4 pieces belfa with 100 yards=20
Trunk No. 41:
20 pieces linen with 636 yards=20
Chest No. 48:
20 pieces linen with 630 yards=20
Chest No. 71:
20 pieces blanket with 567 yards=20
Chest No. 72:
20 pieces blanket with 569 yards=20
Chest No. 86:
20 pieces linen with 606 yards=20
Unnumbered chest:
1 dozen large mirrors=20
Chest No. 121:
1 set of blank account books, a small quantity of writing paper, and a =
small quantity of wrapping paper, all for expense=20
Barrel No. 129:
15 dozen china plates=20
32 dozen china cups=20
4 sets of china with 33 pieces each=20
4 dozen chocolate cups=20
6 dozen mugs=20
2 dozen chocolate cups=20
Chest No. 141:
3 pieces escalarata with 51 yards=20
1 piece scarlet flannel with 36 yards=20
1 piece yellow flannel with 32 yards=20
1 piece green flannel with 29 yards=20
3 pieces white flannel with 57 yards=20
1 piece blue cloth with 16 yards=20
1 piece black percale with 28 yards=20
2 pieces Irish linen, with 44 yards=20
Chest No. 42:
3 pieces scarlet cloth with 46 yards=20
2 pieces yellow flannel, 47 yards=20
1 piece green flannel, 27 yards=20
2 pieces black percale, 56 yards=20
1 dozen umbrellas=20
Chest No. 144:
1 piece high quality blue cloth, 24 yards=20
1 piece blue cloth, 14 yards=20
1 piece brown cloth, 22 yards=20
1 piece blue cloth, 32 yards=20
1 piece black cloth, 23 yards=20
1 piece black percale, 36 yards=20
2 pieces blue and brown bombazine=20
4 pieces decorated bombazine=20
1 dozen umbrellas=20
Chest No. 145:
1 piece olive-colored cloth, 17 yards=20
1 piece blue cloth, 15 yards=20
1 piece black cloth, 21 yards=20
1 piece blue cloth, 17 yards=20
2 pieces black cloth, 56 yards=20
1 piece blue cloth, 22 yards=20
1 piece violet cloth, 24 yards=20
1 piece green cloth, 31 yards=20
4 pieces black percale, 112 yards=20
2 pieces violet bombazine=20
1 dozen umbrellas=20
20 pieces Irish linen, 426 yards=20
Chest No. 147:
2 pieces tacking, 48 yards=20
5 pieces tacking, 115 yards=20
20 pieces linen, 560 yards=20
12 pieces chintz, 333 yards=20
Chest No. 148:
13 pieces tacking, 307 yards=20
2 pieces small brown cotton printed cloth, 44 yards=20
5 pieces chintz, 141 yards=20
Trunk No. 151:
9 pieces chintz with 253 yards=20
7 pieces calico, 195 yards=20
Trunk No. 152:
21 pieces of linen, 589 yards=20
3 pieces blanket, 84 yards=20
Chest No. 153:
2 pieces narrow lace with 32 yards=20
6 pieces wide ribbon=20
6 pieces wide ribbon=20
12 dozen shawls with fringes=20
5 dozen shawls with fringes=20
1 dozen cheap short tunics=20
1 dozen shawls with silk fringes=20
6 silk embossed handkerchiefs=20
6 dozen ribbons for sashes=20
2 dozen handkerchief holders=20
13 cotton shawls=20
8 pieces muslin with 80 yards=20
Chest No. 154:
2 pieces narrow lace, 32 yards=20
9 fancy silk handkerchiefs=20
2 dozen cotton handkerchiefs=20
12 dozen cotton handkerchiefs=20
2 dozen floral handkerchiefs=20
6 fancy handkerchiefs=20
1 dozen decorated silk shawls=20
4 cheap short tunics=20
6 mixed shawls=20
1 dozen large handkerchiefs with fringes=20
Chest No. 79:
36 pieces linen with 992 yards=20
Trunk No. 155:
19 pieces linen with 632 yards=20
Trunk No. 156:
5 pieces small striped cloth, 140 yards=20
5 pieces chintz, 420 yards=20
Trunk No. 157:
14 pieces damask cotton, 252 yards=20
Chest No. 605:
Various notebooks for use of the store, that I intend to open in the =
same customs house=20
Chest No. 19:
27 cotton shawls=20
18 cotton shawls=20
9 merino wool shawls=20
4 bandanna handkerchiefs with 28 yards=20
1 dozen orange cotton shawls=20
1 dozen orange cotton shawls=20
10 merino wool shawls=20
2 pieces decorated twill, 24 yards=20
4 pieces chintz, 112 yards=20
2 pieces calico, 56 yards=20
Trunk No. 21:
16 pieces blanket, 498 yards=20
Chest No. 33:
20 pieces linen, 700 yards=20
Chest No. 42:
20 pieces linen, 655 yards=20
Chest No. 44:
20 pieces linen, 656 yards=20
Chest No. 47:
20 pieces linen, 657 yards=20
Chest No. 58:
20 pieces linen, 707 yards=20
Trunk No. 62:
20 pieces blankets, 632 yards=20
Trunk No. 64:
20 pieces blankets, 622 yards=20
Trunk No. 65:
20 pieces blankets, 623 yards=20
Trunk No. 66:
20 pieces blankets, 612 yards=20
Trunk No. 67:
20 pieces blankets, 625 yards=20
Trunk No. 69:
20 pieces blankets, 632 yards=20
Trunk No. 70:
20 pieces blankets, 625 yards=20
Chest No. 77:
20 pieces linen, 822 yards=20
Chest No. 78:
20 pieces linen, 983 yards=20
Chest No. 81:
20 pieces linen, 630 yards=20
Chest No. 85:
20 pieces linen, 702 yards=20
Chest No. 38:
20 pieces linen, 701 yards=20
Chest No. 45:
20 pieces linen, 656 yards=20
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- -----
In testimony of the truth, I sign in Santa Fe, July 11, 1831.=20
[SIGNED] Samuele Parkman=20
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<DIV>This cannot hold a candle to the amount of plunder I have seen =
Pablo carry=20
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<DIV>Absalom</DIV>
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<DIV>Women and cats will do as they wish, and men and dogs should get =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 15, =
2003 7:51=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: Jed =
Smith's=20
manifest</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Thought this would be of=20
interest.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Paul</FONT></STRONG><STRONG></DIV>
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<HR>
Following are translations from Spanish to English of Samuel Parkman's =
list of=20
trade goods as submitted to customs officials and the letter from =
Santiago=20
Abreu to Agust=EDn Dur=E1n regarding goods being cached by Parkman on =
the Ocate=20
River:=20
<HR>
<CENTER>
<H1>The Manifest of Jedediah Smith's Trade Goods</H1></CENTER>
<P>Manifest that the citizen of the United States of America, Samuel=20
Par[k]man, agent of citizen Jeradiah[sic] S. Smith, deceased, presents =
to the=20
National Customs of the Territory of New Mexico of the effects that he =
brought=20
from the said States, whose brands and quantities are as follows:=20
<H4>Chest No. 1:</H4><BR>1 dozen small saws <BR>8 large saws <BR>2 =
dozen=20
chisels <BR>2 gross small augers <BR>6 dozen panes of window glass =
<BR>2 dozen=20
scutcheons <BR>2 dozen brass nails for curtains <BR>10 gross small =
screws=20
<BR>6 packages iron tacks <BR>2 dozen pen knives <BR>1 dozen pocket =
razors=20
<BR>3 dozen pen knives <BR>3 dozen pocket knives <BR>1 dozen shaving =
razors=20
<BR>3 dozen shaving razors <BR>2 dozen butcher knives <BR>4 dozen =
table knives=20
<BR>7 dozen table knives <BR>3 dozen butcher knives <BR>4 dozen =
butcher knives=20
<BR>3 dozen butcher knives <BR>2 dozen green razor handles <BR>3 dozen =
white=20
razor handles <BR>2 dozen pocket razors <BR>2 gross thimbles <BR>2,000 =
needles=20
<BR>130 large needles <BR>1 dozen scissors <BR>3 3/4 dozen scissors =
<BR>2=20
gross small spoons <BR>7 small augers <BR>8 large augers <BR>3 dozen =
bone=20
buttons <BR>4 gross marble buttons <BR>2 gross glass buttons <BR>1 =
gross shell=20
buttons <BR>1 gross coat buttons <BR>2 gross waistcoat buttons <BR>1 =
dozen=20
small files <BR>1 dozen large files <BR>1 dozen large files, half =
hollowed=20
<BR>1 dozen rasps <BR>3 dozen large scutcheons <BR>3 dozens small =
scutcheons=20
<H4>Chest No. 2:</H4><BR>2 dozen small saws <BR>1 dozen large chisels =
<BR>1=20
dozen small chisels <BR>2 gross small augers <BR>2 dozen brass nails, =
6 inches=20
<BR>1 dozen brass nails, 3 inches <BR>1/2 dozen brass nails, 3 1/2 =
inches=20
<BR>1 dozen carbine keys <BR>8 gross small screws <BR>2 packages iron =
tacks=20
<BR>4 packages iron tacks <BR>1 dozen table knives <BR>14 dozen =
butcher knives=20
<BR>12 dozen pocket razors <BR>6 dozen knives and forks <BR>4 dozen =
pen knives=20
<BR>2 gross thimbles <BR>2 1/2 thousand needles <BR>12 thousand large =
needles=20
<BR>1 dozen scissors <BR>4 gross small spoons <BR>1/2 gross table =
spoons=20
<BR>20 large augers <BR>3 dozen bone buttons <BR>5 gross marble =
buttons <BR>2=20
dozen glass buttons <BR>1 dozen shell buttons <BR>1 dozen shell =
buttons for=20
shirt <BR>1 dozen yellow buttons <BR>1 dozen common buttons <BR>1 =
dozen=20
buttons for waistcoat <BR>1 dozen small files <BR>2 dozen large files =
<BR>1=20
dozen rasps, half hollowed <BR>6 dozen large scutcheons <BR>4 dozen =
trunk=20
scutcheons=20
<H4>Trunk No. 3:</H4><BR>36 cotton handkerchiefs <BR>3 pieces cotton=20
handkerchiefs <BR>5 pieces silk handkerchiefs <BR>10 dozen cotton=20
handkerchiefs <BR>3 pieces silk handkerchiefs with 21 yards <BR>12 =
short=20
Sicilian silk tunics <BR>8 pieces Indian silk handkerchiefs <BR>3 =
carrandan=20
short tunics <BR>6 merino wool shawls <BR>10 colored girl's merino =
wool shawls=20
<BR>7 red girl's merino wool shawl <BR>6 scarlet wool shawls <BR>3 =
pieces=20
twill, with 36 yards <BR>3 pieces white handkerchiefs for the purse =
<BR>2=20
pieces yellow carrrandan with 56 yards <BR>1 piece striped carrandan =
with 18=20
yards <BR>2 piece vestings with 24 yards <BR>2 pieces striped batiste =
with 24=20
yards <BR>4 pieces indigo florentine with 76 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 4:</H4><BR>3 pieces cotton handkerchiefs with 39 <BR>3 =
pieces=20
bandanna handkerchiefs, 21 yards <BR>10 pieces cotton handkerchiefs =
with 132=20
yards <BR>148 pieces Indian silk handkerchief, 98 yards <BR>3 short =
carrandan=20
tunics <BR>6 girl's merino wool shawls <BR>10 colored merino wool =
shawls <BR>7=20
red merino wool shawls <BR>3 pieces twill, with 36 yards <BR>3 pieces =
cotton=20
handkerchiefs with 40 yards <BR>3 pieces carrandan with 34 yards <BR>1 =
piece=20
striped carrandan with 18 yards <BR>3 pieces vestings with 19 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 23:</H4><BR>8 pieces small striped cloth with 291 yards =
<BR>4=20
pieces small cotton printed cloth with 131 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 28:</H4><BR>10 pieces yellow nankin <BR>25 pieces blue =
nankin=20
<BR>1 dozen handkerchiefs <BR>6 shawls <BR>8 Mandarin shawls <BR>3 =
packages=20
pins <BR>3 pieces chintz for curtains with 84 yards <BR>4 pieces belfa =
with=20
100 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 41:</H4><BR>20 pieces linen with 636 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 48:</H4><BR>20 pieces linen with 630 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 71:</H4><BR>20 pieces blanket with 567 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 72:</H4><BR>20 pieces blanket with 569 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 86:</H4><BR>20 pieces linen with 606 yards=20
<H4>Unnumbered chest:</H4><BR>1 dozen large mirrors=20
<H4>Chest No. 121:</H4><BR>1 set of blank account books, a small =
quantity of=20
writing paper, and a small quantity of wrapping paper, all for expense =
<H4>Barrel No. 129:</H4><BR>15 dozen china plates <BR>32 dozen china =
cups=20
<BR>4 sets of china with 33 pieces each <BR>4 dozen chocolate cups =
<BR>6 dozen=20
mugs <BR>2 dozen chocolate cups=20
<H4>Chest No. 141:</H4><BR>3 pieces escalarata with 51 yards <BR>1 =
piece=20
scarlet flannel with 36 yards <BR>1 piece yellow flannel with 32 yards =
<BR>1=20
piece green flannel with 29 yards <BR>3 pieces white flannel with 57 =
yards=20
<BR>1 piece blue cloth with 16 yards <BR>1 piece black percale with 28 =
yards=20
<BR>2 pieces Irish linen, with 44 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 42:</H4><BR>3 pieces scarlet cloth with 46 yards <BR>2 =
pieces=20
yellow flannel, 47 yards <BR>1 piece green flannel, 27 yards <BR>2 =
pieces=20
black percale, 56 yards <BR>1 dozen umbrellas=20
<H4>Chest No. 144:</H4><BR>1 piece high quality blue cloth, 24 yards =
<BR>1=20
piece blue cloth, 14 yards <BR>1 piece brown cloth, 22 yards <BR>1 =
piece blue=20
cloth, 32 yards <BR>1 piece black cloth, 23 yards <BR>1 piece black =
percale,=20
36 yards <BR>2 pieces blue and brown bombazine <BR>4 pieces decorated=20
bombazine <BR>1 dozen umbrellas=20
<H4>Chest No. 145:</H4><BR>1 piece olive-colored cloth, 17 yards <BR>1 =
piece=20
blue cloth, 15 yards <BR>1 piece black cloth, 21 yards <BR>1 piece =
blue cloth,=20
17 yards <BR>2 pieces black cloth, 56 yards <BR>1 piece blue cloth, 22 =
yards=20
<BR>1 piece violet cloth, 24 yards <BR>1 piece green cloth, 31 yards =
<BR>4=20
pieces black percale, 112 yards <BR>2 pieces violet bombazine <BR>1 =
dozen=20
umbrellas <BR>20 pieces Irish linen, 426 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 147:</H4><BR>2 pieces tacking, 48 yards <BR>5 pieces =
tacking,=20
115 yards <BR>20 pieces linen, 560 yards <BR>12 pieces chintz, 333 =
yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 148:</H4><BR>13 pieces tacking, 307 yards <BR>2 pieces =
small=20
brown cotton printed cloth, 44 yards <BR>5 pieces chintz, 141 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 151:</H4><BR>9 pieces chintz with 253 yards <BR>7 pieces =
calico,=20
195 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 152:</H4><BR>21 pieces of linen, 589 yards <BR>3 pieces =
blanket,=20
84 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 153:</H4><BR>2 pieces narrow lace with 32 yards <BR>6 =
pieces=20
wide ribbon <BR>6 pieces wide ribbon <BR>12 dozen shawls with fringes =
<BR>5=20
dozen shawls with fringes <BR>1 dozen cheap short tunics <BR>1 dozen =
shawls=20
with silk fringes <BR>6 silk embossed handkerchiefs <BR>6 dozen =
ribbons for=20
sashes <BR>2 dozen handkerchief holders <BR>13 cotton shawls <BR>8 =
pieces=20
muslin with 80 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 154:</H4><BR>2 pieces narrow lace, 32 yards <BR>9 fancy =
silk=20
handkerchiefs <BR>2 dozen cotton handkerchiefs <BR>12 dozen cotton=20
handkerchiefs <BR>2 dozen floral handkerchiefs <BR>6 fancy =
handkerchiefs <BR>1=20
dozen decorated silk shawls <BR>4 cheap short tunics <BR>6 mixed =
shawls <BR>1=20
dozen large handkerchiefs with fringes=20
<H4>Chest No. 79:</H4><BR>36 pieces linen with 992 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 155:</H4><BR>19 pieces linen with 632 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 156:</H4><BR>5 pieces small striped cloth, 140 yards =
<BR>5=20
pieces chintz, 420 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 157:</H4><BR>14 pieces damask cotton, 252 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 605:</H4><BR>Various notebooks for use of the store, =
that I=20
intend to open in the same customs house=20
<H4>Chest No. 19:</H4><BR>27 cotton shawls <BR>18 cotton shawls <BR>9 =
merino=20
wool shawls <BR>4 bandanna handkerchiefs with 28 yards <BR>1 dozen =
orange=20
cotton shawls <BR>1 dozen orange cotton shawls <BR>10 merino wool =
shawls <BR>2=20
pieces decorated twill, 24 yards <BR>4 pieces chintz, 112 yards <BR>2 =
pieces=20
calico, 56 yards=20
<H4>Trunk No. 21:</H4><BR>16 pieces blanket, 498 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 33:</H4><BR>20 pieces linen, 700 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 42:</H4><BR>20 pieces linen, 655 yards=20
<H4>Chest No. 44:</H4><BR>20 pieces linen, 656 yards=20
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:07:27 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Banff Mountain Film Festival
Dear List,
If any of you would like to see the Banff Mountain Film Festival look up
your state here. Great Falls, Montana is usually their first stop as we
are only a half a days drive south of the Banff. It is a great way to
spend an evening (2 hours or so). Really gets you in the
outdoor/mountain state of mind!
bb
http://www.banffmountainfestivals.ca/tour/unitedstates/
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:12:26 -0600
From: "Glenn Darilek" <glenn@leaklocationservices.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: hand carts
On 14 Nov 2003 12:20:24 -0600 John Kramer wrote
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding
>A hand cart is as anachronistic as my Pickup; some seem
>to think it looks better in camp.
Right. But two-wheeled carts were not only period, but documented in
the rendezvous era. They were called by the french word 'charrette.'
Now, I don't think they had steel wheels though.
Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:22:21 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hand carts
Two wheel horse carts are quite different than Pioneer hand carts which are
quite different than two wheel dog carts differing from two wheel goat
carts. Then we have wagons and buggies and other 4 wheel conveyance. Some
wagons made it to rendezvous were they two or four wheel?
The more common two wheel cart we know was used during and for the fur
trade though questionable at rendezvous would be the Red River carts. Yes
steel wheels would be most inappropriate on those.
Wheelbarrows, sledges, sleighs and a whole lot more is "period" and still
anachronistic for rendezvous. It becomes a real stretch of philosophy when
one anachronism is chosen "superior" to another. I keep pointing these
little details out as too often they soon become "correct" rather than just
an acceptable compromise.
John...
At 09:12 AM 11/17/03, you wrote:
>On 14 Nov 2003 12:20:24 -0600 John Kramer wrote
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding
>
> >A hand cart is as anachronistic as my Pickup; some seem
> >to think it looks better in camp.
>
>Right. But two-wheeled carts were not only period, but documented in
>the rendezvous era. They were called by the french word 'charrette.'
>Now, I don't think they had steel wheels though.
>
>Glenn Darilek
>Iron Burner
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:32:50 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding
Ole,
Naw, I'm sure we agreed on something else over the past 30 years. Can't
remember what it was.
One thing I didn't mention that is at least as important as bedding and
something even Crazy Cyot might agree with me on is acclimation.
When I was living on the trail I would refuse to accept even one nights
lodging under a roof for fear of taking the edge off my acclimation. When
you live on the trail every day over a long period you develop an ability
to be comfortable over wide extremes of weather. When you only get a
chance to live outdoors a few days at a time it takes more bedding to stay
comfortable. Once you've had tick fever it also takes more to stay warm.
John...
At 09:07 AM 11/15/03, you wrote:
>John,
>Is this the first time we have agreed on something?. Thanks for the input,
>and you are right a hand cart looks better than a pick up truck.
>Ole
>On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 11:20 AM, John Kramer wrote:
>
>>
>>If you have three pack mules you have all the extra padding/bedding you
>>can use. Each animal has at least one saddle blanket (epishemore) per
>>animal. A saddle blanket is basically a folded blanket, thick pads of
>>felted hair are also common and useful. An epishemore is a saddle
>>blanket made from a buffalo robe.
>>
>>Add the above to your sleeping blankets and a tarp which covers a pack
>>during the day and you've got pretty comfy sleeping no matter the weather.
>>
>>When I was on the trail I only had one pack animal plus my riding horse
>>the padding from just two critters made a very comfortable bed along with
>>my two blankets in very cold weather. Didn't have a thermometer or radio
>>along so I really can't say how cold. Some nights a small fire warmed
>>canvas, or a rock ledge, used as a leanto/reflector. A large dog is a
>>great comfort if you don't have a Jill.
>>
>>My experience with hair-on hide has been less than wonderful. I've never
>>broken down and bought a brain tan buffalo robe so on that I can't fairly
>>comment. Lance Grabowski has cut up several for coats and vests and such
>>so at least one of us was brave enough. I would think Crazy is right
>>about it being too warm 363 days a year unless you were a teamster or a
>>drover on the windswept plains.
>>
>>I can comment on commercial tan buffalo, bear, elk, sheep and deer. I
>>have had excellent results with both real and faux braintan deer, elk and
>>moose leather.
>>
>>MOST hair-on commercial tan hides have not properly neutralized the acids
>>in the tanning process. Hence when used on the ground (or stored on a
>>closet shelf in Missouri) they will absorb water and rot.
>>The hollow hair of elk and deer never quits breaking, it never seems to
>>thin out but the constant hair everywhere becomes old fast, it will even
>>show up in your food. Hides are also heavy and more difficult to pack
>>than blankets. All are a pleasure under you at night. I've had less
>>rotting with commercial sheep than with deer, buffalo, elk and bear.
>>
>>I have two Hudson Bays I bought in the mid '70's they have served well
>>many nights since. They are still warm and a part of my bedroll with the
>>luxurious hand-loomed blankets I now enjoy. Perhaps mine are still warm
>>and useful because they haven't been washed much. I do hang them in the
>>hot sun for a day and beat them with a carpet beater every year or so. I
>>have over a dozen blankets in my bedroll, I don't take all of them all of
>>the time.
>>
>>Do not let anyone tell you the European military cot blankets are
>>inferior they are smaller than a 4 point that's all, so were the blankets
>>traded during the period. I have purchased and used several and find
>>them to be of good quality, my winter leggings and some other gear is
>>made from them. For $10 to $20 each they are a great value.
>>
>>If you want to wrap up in canvas consider that A 300 thread count
>>Egyptian cotton sheet used in place of canvas breaks the wind as
>>efficiently with much less weight.
>>
>>When you lay out your bed if you are using a four point under you, fold
>>it lengthwise in quarters to increase warmth. A cot blanket is better
>>folded in thirds: because it is smaller. If you have two blankets to
>>place under you fold the first only lengthwise then fold the second again
>>in half. This way (with 4 point blankets) you have 4 layers under your
>>legs and feet and 12 layers under the trunk of your body. Wrap up in
>>your sleeping blankets and canvas and you'll stay plenty warm. If you
>>are wrapping canvas around you DO NOT use oil cloth or you will be wet,
>>wet equals cold; particularly in humid areas. Canvas can often be used
>>better as a reflector than as a wrap.
>>
>>It takes some bedding to stay comfortable in winter, survival can be done
>>with a lot less. We are (in most instances) no longer able to practice
>>old ways of woodcraft (bough beds and such) as it would denude areas we
>>must share with others. Because we can't cut what we want every night it
>>requires us to carry what we need. A toboggan is one practical choice:
>>without snow a wheelbarrow (like Buck Connor uses) is another. Of course
>>horses were the chosen method back then, but then this is now. Dog
>>sleds, sledges, travois, knapsacks, primitive style packframe/chairs and
>>many other quasi period methods are available to a clever mind. Just
>>remember none are accurate portrayals they are expedients required
>>because of time and circumstance. A hand cart is as anachronistic as my
>>Pickup; some seem to think it looks better in camp.
>>
>>Ole has detailed what would be a practical and not uncommon bedroll of
>>the period, yes it is a lot of weight but much of it would have been used
>>first for other purposes. Mountain Men weren't backpackers, most of the time.
>>
>>Many years ago I was inspecting an old hotel in an out of the way
>>location in Wyoming; down in storage there was a huge bundle of canvas,
>>blankets, quilts, comforters, sheep skins and every other kind of thing
>>you can imagine. When I asked what it was the manager explained it was a
>>sheep herders bedroll that they were holding against room rent, when cold
>>weather came he would redeem it.
>>
>>John...
>>
>>
>>At 05:23 PM 11/12/03, you wrote:
>>>No problem if you have three mules.
>>>Don
>>>
>>>>Ole,
>>>>
>>>>What do you estimate the total weight to be of 1 Hudson bay, 1 Whitney, 2
>>>>Barron 5 point blankets wrapped with canvas, together with the addition
>>>>of 3
>>>>Hudson bay's and 1 Whitney as a ground pad wrapped with Russian sheeting?
>>>>Can you carry this or does it require some other means of transportation?
>>>>It will surely keep you warm and dry, but the bulk and weight seem somewhat
>>>>intimidating in my view, and I would assume that this set-up is not for a
>>>>walk-in situation, or am I mistaken?
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Don,
>>>> > For years I have used 1 hudson bay, 1 whitney, and 2 Barron 5 point
>>>> > blankets wraped with canvas.
>>>> > In the future I will use the same with the addition of 3 hudson bay's
>>>> > and 1 whitney as a ground pad wraped with russian sheating.
>>>> > Ole
>>>> > On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 07:00 PM, Phyllis and Don Keas wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Wool blankets have always done me very well. The coldest I have slept
>>>> > > is 12 below and two Witneys. I did all right, but now I am older and
>>>> > > plan on carrying three in the winter. Old age you know. Don
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Monday, November 10, 2003 11:42 AM, roger lahti
>>>> > > <amm1719@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> > >> I got to agree with bb on bison robes being a pain if they get wet.
>>>> > >> But I
>>>> > >> suspect that, well I know my robe is warmer than an equivalent weight
>>>> > >> of
>>>> > >> wool blanket. To make the blankets warm at all you still need some
>>>> > >> sort of
>>>> > >> air barrier like a canvas bed roll to cut the air movement by the
>>>> > >> blanket.
>>>> > >> The robe comes with it's own barrier but it's not water repellent at
>>>> > >> all.
>>>> > >> Brain tan is very light though when done right with plenty of hide
>>>> > >> shaving
>>>> > >> to get it thin as possible.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> I still have good use for my wool blankets.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Capt. Lahti
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> >
>>>
>>>If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong.
>>>john <kramer@kramerize.com>
>>>
>>>Take a look at all the prime plunder being auctioned for the benefit of
>>>the American Mountain Men
>>>http://amm-auction.com/
>>
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