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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1231 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, September 5 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1231 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: test -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: test -áááááá MtMan-List: A Flap over Flaps -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: test -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: test -áááááá MtMan-List: Saddle Bags ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:08:37 -0600 From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net> Subject: MtMan-List: test test? Ole - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:10:51 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: test NOOOO!!!!! I forgot to study!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ole Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net> To: "history list" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: MtMan-List: test > test? > Ole > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:46:44 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: A Flap over Flaps Dear List, I was just paging through my latest copy of the Muzzleloader magazine Sept/Oct 2003 When a I saw a name familiar to me in the table of contents. Robert Kisthart, could this be my good friend Bob Kisthart from Fort Union!? Yes, it is! I thought you all might enjoy his article,"A Flap over Flaps" page 84, back page. Bob is a great guy and a great National Park Ranger. He regularly portrays Augustin Bourbonnais of Larpenteur's "Forty Years a Fur Trader on the Upper Missouri" (pages 98-102)"The Blonde hair trapper". He is known as either just Bob or Bourbonnais to all at the Fort. Bob has a great sense of humor and always turns harmless, funny, modern day jokes into classics by using historical Fort Union names as the main characters. "Mr.Denig walks into a bar in St. Louis and orders a whiskey.....". You all must get to Fort Union someday to visit those fine folks. I know it's up in the middle of nowhere but you won't be sorry. Fort Union was the King of fur trade posts for quite a few years. A few competitors hauled entire outfits clean up the Missouri to compete against them, many took one look at Fort Union in all it's glory and appoligized to Mr.McKenzie for showing up and offered to sell their outfit to him whole. He bought most of them out, or ran them out of business. "...the vastest and the finest of the forts that the Fur Company has upon the Missouri". Pierre DeSmet, 1840 bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: test what? Dog - --- Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net> wrote: > test? > Ole > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Ole - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:50:14 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Saddle Bags - --part1_12b.30f6718d.2c8a9756_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello in the Camps I have only been able to come up with one description of a type of saddle bag used in fur trade. While I have came across several accounts of Saddle Bags being used Larpenteur so far is the only one that gives a description of what his Saddle Bags looked like and were made of that I have found so far. Forty Years a Fur Trader on the Upper Missouri my old saddle bags, made of a yard of brown muslin, sewed at both ends with a slit in the middle, This next account of Townsend's would suggest that Mr. Ashworth's Saddle Bags were made of a light weight material like muslin or buckskin for them to be cut up so easily. This is pure speculation on my part but I think they may have been made on the same design as Larpenteur's. Which by the way are made the same way as Indian Saddle Bags I have seen in Museums only they were made of Buckskin. Townsend's Across the Rockies to the Columbia Mr. Ashworth said that while riding about five miles behind the party, (not being able to keep up with it on account of his having a worn out horse,) he was attacked by about fifty of the Indians whom we passed earlier in the day, dragged forcibly from his horse and thrown upon the ground. Here, some held their knives to his throat to prevent his rising, and others robbed him of his saddle bags, and all that they contained. While he was yet in this unpleasant situation, Richardson came suddenly upon them, and the cowardly Indians released their captive instantly, throwing the saddle bags and every thing else upon the ground and flying like frightened antelopes over the plain. The only real damage that Mr. Ashworth sustained, was the total loss of his saddle bags, which were cut to pieces by the knives of the Indians, in order to abstract the contents. These, however, we think he deserves to lose, inasmuch, as with all our persuasion, we have never been able to induce him to carry a gun since we left the country infested by the Blackfeet; and to-day, the very show of such a weapon would undoubtedly have prevented the attack of which he complains. Any way this is what I have been able to come up with on saddle bags used in the Fur Trade. I was wondering if any one out there has come across a description of saddle bags as we know them today being used in the Fur Trade. For now I'll call them cow boy type Saddle Bags? See ya on the Trail Crazy Cyot - --part1_12b.30f6718d.2c8a9756_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML>Hello in the Camps I have only been able to come up with one description of a type of saddl= e bag used in fur trade. While I have came across several accounts of=20= Saddle Bags being used Larpenteur so far is the only one that gives a descri= ption of what his Saddle Bags looked like and were made of that I have found= so far.=20 = ; &nb= sp;Forty Years a Fur Trader on the Upper Missouri=20 my old saddle bags, made of a yard of brown muslin, sewed at both en= ds with a slit in the middle, This next account of Townsend's would suggest that Mr.= Ashworth's Saddle Bags were made of a light weight material like muslin or=20= buckskin for them to be cut up so easily. This is pure speculation on my par= t but I think they may have been made on the same design as Larpenteur's. Wh= ich by the way are made the same way as Indian Saddle Bags I have seen in Mu= seums only they were made of Buckskin. &= nbsp; = ; &nb= sp; Townsend's Across the Rockies to the Columbia Mr. Ashworth said that while riding about five mi= les behind the party, (not being able to keep up with it on account of his h= aving a worn out horse,) he was attacked by about fifty of the Indians whom=20= we passed earlier in the day, dragged forcibly from his horse and thrown upo= n the ground. Here, some held their knives to his throat to prevent his risi= ng, and others robbed him of his saddle bags, and all that they contained. W= hile he was yet in this unpleasant situation, Richardson came suddenly upon=20= them, and the cowardly Indians released their captive instantly, throwing th= e saddle bags and every thing else upon the ground and flying like frightene= d antelopes over the plain. The only real damage that Mr. Ashworth sustained= , was the total loss of his saddle bags, which were cut to pieces by the kni= ves of the Indians, in order to abstract the contents. These, however, we th= ink he deserves to lose, inasmuch, as with all our persuasion, we have never= been able to induce him to carry a gun since we left the country infested b= y the Blackfeet; and to-day, the very show of such a weapon would undoubtedl= y have prevented the attack of which he complains.=20 Any way this is what I have been able to come up with on saddle bags use= d in the Fur Trade. I was wondering if any one out there has come across a d= escription of saddle bags as we know them today being used in the Fur Trade.= For now I'll call them cow boy type Saddle Bags? See ya on the Trail Crazy Cyot</HTML> - --part1_12b.30f6718d.2c8a9756_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1231 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.