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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:20:44 -0600
From: "WILLIAM P. GARRISON" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Beaver Tail

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This is an interesting subject. While I have never eaten Beaver tail I =
believe it was a desirable supplement to the Mountain Men and Indians =
diet. Most of the meat taken by both were mostly lean and fat is an =
energy food. Also if you have ever tasted a piece of meat that is lean =
and compared it to a piece with fat on it you have noticed the fatty =
meat is much more flavorful. Another thought is that the longer you =
spend out in the wild, and depending on how hungry you get, things you =
would normally turn your nose up to becomes mighty tasty morsels. I've =
spent considerable time in the field and have eaten plenty of beaver. =
Let me tell you how good Bar-B-Que Beaver sandwiches are not to mention =
the liver of fresh kill. The tastiest way to prepare beaver liver is to =
fry it, but on occasion when the cookin fat is all gone I have resorted =
to boiling in water flavored with salt , pepper and garlic. Ummmmm Good
   I hope this is helpful and gives some insight. Waste not want not.
  Y.H.A.O.S.
     Griz Garrison

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From:     Longtrail[SMTP:[e-mail]]
Sent:     Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:03 AM
To:     [e-mail]
Subject:     Re: MtMan-List: Beaver Tail

>Hello all:
>
>    I'm told by reading the books that the beaver tail is a delicacy, =
but
>the balance of the meat is not preferred if deer, elk, bear, etc. are
>available.
>    Can someone tell me how was/is the tail prepared?
>
>Gail Carbiener

I have cooked it by skinning it and skewering it on a stick, then =
proping
it up near a fire close enough to cook it.  It is very greasy, sort of =
like
bacon so I don't think one would want to make an entire meal out of it.  =
I
have heard of oldtimers here in  central Montana having in the past been
served beaver tail in beans.
As faras the rest of the meat, I found it to be tasty.  Cooked in stews.
Last winter while skinning a couple beaver I kept the hind quarters =
aside
but after an hour or two of skinning and smelling the animal I was no
longer in the mood to eat it.               Longtrail



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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:11:54 -0400
From: "Mill, Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Eastern Leggings

Does anybody have a simple pattern for Eastern style leggings as would be
appropriate for a Longhunter personna. All the patterns I have seen look
like chaps . I am looking for the thigh high type. I don't want to buy a
pattern as the construction seems simple enough. I just need some pointers
on the proper length and width and how to hold them up. Thanks.


Kirk Mill

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:04:48 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: eating beaver

To:  The list
A spring or so back the UMO had its sometimes
annual beaver trapping outing.  The scenareo was
that we would bring no more than one day's worth
of food and stay for 3 to 5.  The plan was to live
off the land, and particularly the beaver
we hoped would come. Luckily for us, we had master
trapper Rod Douglas along and we took at least one
beaver a day. We lived off of beaver haunch boiled
in muddy runoff water.  How's that for tough?
Well, anyhow, the beaver tasted and looked like
dark meat trukey.  It is very rich and filling so
that a little goes a long ways.
It is clear from the extensive journals of the HBC
Snake Country brigades that they often depended
for food upon the beaver they trapped.  (Journals
of Ogden, Work).
As for the tail, there's not much there.  Mostly
gristle and thick skin with a taste like ripe
fish.  My theory is that the
beaver tail delacy story was just that (a story),
and I can't remember talking to anyone who has
ever tried to eat one who thought it was anything
more than extremely marginal food at best.  While
some small parts of a tail can technically be
consumed, the leap from there to delacy is a long
one. The haunch, however, is another matter.
Allen Chronister.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:56:29 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Eastern Leggings

Look in:  "Indian Clothing of the Great Lakes: 1740-1840" bu Sheryl Hartman.
Good illustrations and directions!!!

Red Hawk

[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:10:30 -0500
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

Eastern leggins don't really go up thigh high,unless you mean about3-4"
above the knee. My (very old)instructions say "the legging should extend
one-third of the distance from groin to knee" not thigh high,sorry.
As for looking like chaps, they do have side flaps(I cut mine about 2")
unless you want center seam and the jury is still out on the documentation
for them.
On 1998-08-10 [e-mail] said to [e-mail]
   >Cc: history mailing list <[e-mail]>
   >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8)
   >Does anybody have a simple pattern for Eastern style leggings as
   >would be appropriate for a Longhunter personna. All the patterns I
   >have seen look like chaps . I am looking for the thigh high type. I
   >don't want to buy a pattern as the construction seems simple enough.
   >I just need some pointers on the proper length and width and how to
   >hold them up. Thanks.
   >Kirk Mill

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:08:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dean Rudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Old Time Remedies (fwd)

Forwarded message:
>From [e-mail]  Mon Aug 10 23:16:56 1998
Message-ID: <02e001bdc4e8$3203ab80$bbb7cdcf@wmi-server>
From: "William Metcalfe" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Old Time Remedies
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:23:36 -0600
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Dean,

Thought this might be of interest.

OLD TIME REMEDIES

As they say as a disclaimer, "Don't try these at home"!

Knowing that our mountain men didn't have access to antibiotics, flu =
shots,
cough drops and many other things we take for granted, they improvised =
with
what was around them. Many times the cure was worse than the cause!
Physicians often used the same ingredients and carried herbs and =
supplies
with them in their little black bags. Here are just a few of the more
common remedies.

ACNE: Juice from the leaves of a rose hip bush applied daily over theca =
affected area.
APPETITE - LOSS OF: Boil two cups of dogwood bark with 2 cups of water =
and drink 3 times a day.
ARTHRITIS: Two tsps. of powder from a creek willow bark in a cup of =
water, drink morning & night.
ASTHMA: Make a pillow, about =BD inch thick and fill with rabbit =
tobacco.  This helps night attacks. Or take a stick the exact length of =
the sufferer, store it in the attic and the asthma would go away. Or =
wear amber-colored beads.
BALDNESS: Rub cow dung over scalp.
BED WETTING: Make a tea out of corn silks.
BIRTH PAINS: Put a knife between the straw-tick and the feather bed.
BITES - INSECT: Place a small amount of turpentine on the bite or hold a =
chaw of tobacco over it.
BITES - SNAKE: Slice open a live chicken and leave the intestines =
inside. Place over the bite to draw out the poison.
BLEEDING: Put chimney soot over the wound as needed; also cobwebs were =
used or a mushroom.
BLISTERS: Scrape two carrots, add 2 tbls. lard and 2 plaintain leaves. =
Stew & strain, apply to blister.
BLISTERS - FEVER: Put cucumber juice on them.
BLOOD - TONICS: The powdered red roots of a sassafras bush, drink 2 =
tablespoons a day.
BLOOD - POISONING: Use green berries from bullnettle and boil in a quart =
of water; drink daily.
BLOOD - PRESSURE: Chop several onions fine and place in a quart of water =
for a day. Drink a cup a day for a week.
BOILS: Take out the inner skin of a raw egg and place on boil.=20
BRONCHITIS: Drink a mixture of honey, lemon juice and alum. (Never heard =
of the alum).
BRUISES: One egg (shell included), 1 tbl. salt, =BD pint turpentine; one =
large cake of shredded camphor Gum, one tbl. coal oil or kerosene; one =
pint apple vinegar. Fill a bottle 2/3rds full, cork and  shake. Spread =
over bruise, do not bandage.=20
BURNS: Scrape the inside of an "arsh" potato until it is a pulp and rub =
on the burn.
CHIGGER BITES: Rub bacon rind over them.
COLDS: =BD cup molasses, 1 tbl. butter, 2 tbls. White vinegar cooked 10 =
minutes. Take 1 tbl. every hour. OR 1 tbl coal oil, one tsp. turpentine, =
1 tbl. lard. Heat and apply on chest as needed. Only wear red flannel =
underwear. Or, catch a sowbug and put in a bag and wear around the neck.
COLIC: 1 drop peppermint and 6 tsps hot water. Give 1 tbls. every two =
hours.
CONSTIPATION: 1 tbl. white mustard seed and 1/4th pint syrup; take 1 =
tbl. a day.=20
COUGHS: =BD pint whiskey, 2 boxes rock candy; =BD tbl. glycerin. Put in =
bottle and shake, 1 tbl. at a time.
CROUP: One piece of pine and wrap a piece of old bacon around it. Hold =
over coals and catch the Drippings. Give to baby as needed.
CUTS: Rub cow dung over the cut.=20
DIARRHEA: Boil the smallest roots of the blackberry bush in a quart of =
water until it boils down to 1 pint. Cool and strain, take 1-2 tbls 3 =
times daily.=20
EARACHE: Cut a twig from a hickory tree, hold over a stove until the =
sweet oil runs out. Use in ear. Or:  Pour warm urine in the sore ear.=20
EYES - BLACK: A peeled raw potato will draw the black out.
EYEWASH: Bottle March snow - save for use during rest of year.
FRECKLES: Locate a stump that has rain water standing in it and wash the =
face with the water.
HAIR - LOSS: One bottle of alcohol, one chopped onion, 20 white birch =
leaves. Bring to boil, let it sit overnight, then rub into scalp for 15 =
minutes.
HEADACHE: Put camphor on a dry cloth and tie around the head.
HIVES: Mix 2 cups of sheep manure to =BD gallon of water to make a tea =
and drink a cup 3 times a day!
INDIGESTION: =BD ounce rhubarb, =BD oz. Gentian root, =BD oz. Orange =
peel, 1 qt.Brandy. Drink as needed.
INFECTION: =BD cup epsom salts in a pan of water, soak.
INSOMNIA: 2" onion sliced  up and boiled in a pint of water, strain and =
drink as a tea.
ITCHING: Sulphur powder mixed with lard. Cover affected area.
MEASLES. To break out use a 8 oz. Glass of whiskey and add 2-3 tbls. =
sugar, fill rest of glass with water.  Or: use sheep dung and make a =
tea, drink tea. Chicken dung could be used also.=20
MOLES: Squeeze juice from a milkweed plant and apply to mole.
MUMPS: Mix 1 lb. Oatmeal and =BD pint yeast, heat and apply to swelling.
NAUSEA: Chew mint leafs.
NERVES: 1 piece rock candy in a jig of whiskey. Drink.
NOSEBLEEDS: Pour a gallon of milk on the back of the victim's neck. Or =
fold a piece of paper over and place on the upper lip; a bean will also =
work; or soak feet in cold water.
PNEUMONIA: Mash cooked onions and put between two cloths, fasten to =
victim's chest.
POISON IVY: Put washed leaves of a sweet fern in boiling water and apply =
to affected area.
RHEUMATISM: Boil dried apple peelings, strain, drink hot 4 times daily. =
Or: wear the front foot of a mole in a bag - a rabbit foot would also =
work. Or: turn your shoes upside down at night. Or put a  copper wire =
around the joint (sound familiar?), or carry sulfur in your pocket. Or =
break the ice and jump into the river. Or get stung by bees. Or blind a =
live toad and hold it over the aching place. Or put the entrails of a =
chicken on your feet. Or rub with raccoon grease, bacon grease, fishing =
worm oil, goat grease or skunk grease. Or: sleep with a dog or cat as =
the animal will take your pains away.
SHINGLES: Kill a black chicken by wringing its head off and while the =
body is still warm, rub over the affected area.
SINUS: 1 tsp salt and 1 cup warm water - sniff through nasal passages.
SORE THROAT: 1 cup vinegar, 2 tbls. sugar and a spinkle of black pepper, =
gargle.
SPRAINS: Soak brown paper in vinegar and wrap around affected joint.
STOMACH ACHE: 2 mint leaves in 8 oz. glass cold water, drink as needed.
SUNBURN: Cider vinegar to affected areas.
TEETHING: Boil catnip, steep, 1 tsp. at bedtime.
THRUSH: Let an old woman (preferably a witch) blow in the child's mouth. =
Or, let the seventh son or daughter blow. Even the breath of a jilted =
lover would work.
TOOTHACHE: Two cloves held on tooth.
WARTS: Rub castor oil over wart. Or take 9 grains of corn and rub them =
over the wart. Feed the corn to one old hen. OR: Steal a dishrag, rub it =
over the wart, bury the rag and when the rag is rotted, wart will =
disappear.

__
William Metcalfe
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:17:18 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Calico

Ho the list,
I'm sure this has been covered before, but I need to know how long "Calico"
shirts have been around.... and who makes the best drop sleeve calico shirts.
I need a green or brown one for hunting this fall..... looks nicer than camo.

Steve

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:55:45 -0400
From: Ron Valley <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Calico

Steve,

Charles E. Hanson, Jr. did a excellent article in the Fall 1988 Vol.24 No. 3
edition of the Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly (ISSN 0027-4135).  In the
article, he goes on to explain that Calico was first tried in England in
1696 and that printed calico's were "vigorously opposed by silk weavers in
England and printed cottons were not permitted until 1774."

By 1820, according to the article, Great Britain was exporting over 134
million yards of printed and dyed calicos annually.  The industry developed
rapidly in America and by 1824 the New England states were producing 60,000
yards per week.  The article explains how cotton's were printed by hand for
each color.  Several examples of the different calico prints are included
within the article, and it is most interesting to note the differences in
the print of the fabric destined for trade with the Indians.  As for who
makes the best drop sleeve....

Hope this has been of some help.

Ron Valley


    -----Original Message-----
    From:    SWcushing [SMTP:[e-mail]]
    Sent:    Tuesday, August 11, 1998 2:17 PM
    To:    hist_text
    Subject:    MtMan-List: Calico

    Ho the list,
    I'm sure this has been covered before, but I need to know how long
"Calico"
    shirts have been around.... and who makes the best drop sleeve
calico shirts.
    I need a green or brown one for hunting this fall..... looks nicer
than camo.

    Steve

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:08:13 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico

Steve,

I have seen late 1700's Philadelphia newspaper advertisements for seven color
calico.  That's early enough for me.

Couldn't say who's the best, haven't seen every bodies work.  You pays your
money and you takes your chances.  Know when you ask a seamstress to make a
fine shirt and sew it all by hand it is going to be expensive because it takes
a lot of time.  Machine sewn shirts are accepted by most as a practical
alternative, even though those wondrous machines haven't been invented yet.

Go buy some 100% cotton calico in appropriate colors.  Fold a big hunk over
wide enough to wrap your middle and long enough to reach half way down to the
knees.  Cut a couple of rectangles big enough for sleeves.  Cut a hole for
your
head and stitch up and on  the sleeves and up the sides, fancy it up with
collars, hems, cuffs, drawstrings or such; or just tie the cuff with a thong.
You're done.

If you sew it all with silk, cotton or linen thread; by hand, it will be
exactly right.

Cloth by the yard has always been cheaper than finished goods, folks have
always had differing degrees of tailoring skills.  If you think about how
someone in the mountains might have met his needs and then work in the spirit
of the times, use materials and techniques consistent with what was available,
and do things the simple way they've been done for centuries, it's pretty hard
to go far wrong.  A hand sewn shirt was as expensive then as it is now, if you
examine the relative value of the money.  Those were GOLD dollars they were
spending.  There are extensive postings in Dean's archives about monetary
values as related to blankets in 1837.

Of course if you portray William Drummond Stewart this shirt is not
appropriate.  There was only one of him: the hundreds were the camp keepers
and
company men for them this is entirely appropriate, they needed shirts too.  If
they bought a little cloth instead of a shirt, they could buy a little more
whiskey.  They had time to stitch it up while they drank the whiskey.

John...


At 02:17 PM 8/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Ho the list,
>I'm sure this has been covered before, but I need to know how long "Calico"
>shirts have been around.... and who makes the best drop sleeve calico shirts.
>I need a green or brown one for hunting this fall..... looks nicer than camo.
>
>Steve
>
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:43:03 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico

 Steve, here are a couple of good links to sutlers that supply the type shirts
you're looking for. Hope this helps.  RR.
<A HREF="http://www.jastown.com/">Jas. Townsend & Son, Inc. Home Page</A>
<A HREF="http://www.patchworks-usa.com/">Patchworks-Historic Fabrics</A>

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Date: 11 Aug 98 19:09:06 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Cloth

Ran in to a question this weekend that I am not sure of, which cloth was
the least expensive and most likely to have been used in the north and
west by the Indians pre 1800's.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY
LIving History Consultants----  We are not a trading company!!

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:31:29 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: (no subject)

  Are you still interested in Liver Eating Johnston? I just completed a new
biography on him. e-mail me when you can.

Dennis McLelland

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:50:49 -0600
From: Dean Rudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Lewis and Clark Journals

>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:25:00 -0500
>From: A Corbitt <[e-mail]>
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT  (Win95; U)
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Lewis and Clark Journals
>X-URL: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/hist_text-arch4/msg00666.html
>
>Has the cd-rom version of these journals been released?
>Any information would be appreciated.
>Joel C Corbitt
>

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