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hist_text-digest Thursday, August 7 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1221
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
-áááááá MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:06:47 -0700
From: "Ben" <beb1@sisna.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
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Hello the camp.
Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to my Uncle's funeral. He =
was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till this past year, so =
it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to rest.
I've been having a good time reading all the posts and can't say I =
disagree with any of them.=20
Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for not doing what he's =
told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to insert. =
When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack that it =
was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase your =
writing, if you don't mind.
Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for writing. The words seem =
to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could tell.
Thanks for all the good imput.=20
Ben
----- Original Message -----=20
From: roger lahti=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
Larry,
Your opinion in in tune with mine but.........
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot =
with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with =
his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I =
aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he =
dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 =
paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a =
few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his =
spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have =
gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting =
close to 100 grains or a bit less.
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the =
windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters =
from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is =
limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized =
targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the =
way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with =
less powder too.
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Larry Butler=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 =
yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the =
longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck =
bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best =
of us.
Larry Butler
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ben=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a =
second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork =
horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks =
that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls =
them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, =
flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith.
My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut =
the yardage down?
What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards?
I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots =
on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was =
exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four =
out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often =
enough I won our state championship one year.
Your help is appreciated.
Thanks, Ben
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello the camp.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to =
my Uncle's=20
funeral. He was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till =
this past=20
year, so it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to =
rest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've been having a good time reading all the posts =
and can't=20
say I disagree with any of them. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for =
not doing=20
what he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to =
insert.=20
When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack that it =
was=20
good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase your =
writing, if=20
you don't mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for =
writing. The=20
words seem to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could=20
tell.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for all the good imput. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ben</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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<A title=3Damm1719@charter.net =
href=3D"mailto:amm1719@charter.net">roger lahti</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2003 =
9:33=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: re: =
Need help=20
from all you BPowder shooters</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Larry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Your opinion in in tune with mine =
but.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western =
whitetail=20
I shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at =
him=20
with his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more =
steady. I=20
aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he =
dropped=20
like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 paces =
down a=20
flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a few inches =
from the=20
crest of his back as I expected and blew out his spine =
just behind=20
the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have gone =
through the=20
upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting close to 100 =
grains or a=20
bit less.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, =
it's the=20
drop, the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps =
responsible=20
hunters from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with =
my .62=20
is limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized =
targets=20
and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the way =
through the=20
chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with less powder=20
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Shot placement. Neck is just too small a=20
target.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>YMOS<BR>Capt. Lahti'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dlarry@fun-a-fair.com =
href=3D"mailto:larry@fun-a-fair.com">Larry=20
Butler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2003 =
7:15=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: re: =
Need help=20
from all you BPowder shooters</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only =
and keep the=20
shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy =
so fast=20
at the longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could =
break the=20
neck bone at that range over half the time at that range even among =
the best=20
of us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Larry Butler</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbeb1@sisna.com href=3D"mailto:beb1@sisna.com">Ben</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 02, =
2003 2:19=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: re: =
Need help=20
from all you BPowder shooters</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello the camp,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Need a little info and advice, if =
I could=20
trouble you for a second.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the novel I'm writing I have =
the main=20
character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to =
the=20
neck. My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot =
with=20
primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is =
shooting a=20
long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his =
father, who=20
was a gunsmith.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My question is: Do you think this =
is=20
realistic, or should I cut the yardage down?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What kind of groups do you shoot =
at 120=20
yards?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know when I was shooting BPower =
I could=20
keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so =
I didn't=20
think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I =
could=20
put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, =
but=20
often enough I won our state championship one year.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your help is =
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks, =20
Ben</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:00:24 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
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Your welcome Ben. Good luck with the book.=20
Capt. L
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ben=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
Hello the camp.
Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to my Uncle's funeral. He =
was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till this past year, so =
it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to rest.
I've been having a good time reading all the posts and can't say I =
disagree with any of them.=20
Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for not doing what =
he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to =
insert. When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack =
that it was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para =
phrase your writing, if you don't mind.
Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for writing. The words seem =
to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could tell.
Thanks for all the good imput.=20
Ben
----- Original Message -----=20
From: roger lahti=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
Larry,
Your opinion in in tune with mine but.........
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot =
with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with =
his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I =
aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he =
dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 =
paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a =
few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his =
spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have =
gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting =
close to 100 grains or a bit less.
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the =
windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters =
from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is =
limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized =
targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the =
way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with =
less powder too.
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Larry Butler=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder =
shooters
In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 =
yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the =
longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck =
bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best =
of us.
Larry Butler
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ben=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters
Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a =
second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork =
horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks =
that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls =
them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, =
flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith.
My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut =
the yardage down?
What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards?
I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots =
on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was =
exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four =
out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often =
enough I won our state championship one year.
Your help is appreciated.
Thanks, Ben
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Your welcome Ben. Good luck with the book. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Capt. L<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbeb1@sisna.com href=3D"mailto:beb1@sisna.com">Ben</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 05, 2003 =
2:06=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: re: =
Need help=20
from all you BPowder shooters</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello the camp.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to =
my=20
Uncle's funeral. He was 95 and had had a good, long productive =
live till=20
this past year, so it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to=20
rest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've been having a good time reading all the posts =
and can't=20
say I disagree with any of them. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack =
for not=20
doing what he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be =
easy to=20
insert. When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling =
Zack that=20
it was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase =
your=20
writing, if you don't mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for =
writing. The=20
words seem to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could=20
tell.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for all the good imput. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ben</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Damm1719@charter.net =
href=3D"mailto:amm1719@charter.net">roger=20
lahti</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2003 =
9:33=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: re: =
Need help=20
from all you BPowder shooters</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Larry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Your opinion in in tune with mine=20
but.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice =
western=20
whitetail I shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad =
side=20
shot at him with his head down and me taking a rest. And I was =
younger and=20
more steady. I aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far =
anyway)=20
and he dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it =
was 130=20
paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped =
a few=20
inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his =
spine=20
just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it =
would have=20
gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting =
close=20
to 100 grains or a bit less.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, =
it's the=20
drop, the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps =
responsible=20
hunters from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting =
with my=20
.62 is limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk =
sized=20
targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all =
the way=20
through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with =
less=20
powder too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Shot placement. Neck is just too small a=20
target.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>YMOS<BR>Capt. Lahti'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dlarry@fun-a-fair.com =
href=3D"mailto:larry@fun-a-fair.com">Larry=20
Butler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, =
2003 7:15=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: =
re: Need=20
help from all you BPowder shooters</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only =
and keep=20
the shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's =
energy so=20
fast at the longer distance. Also it is questionable if you =
could=20
break the neck bone at that range over half the time at that range =
even=20
among the best of us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Larry Butler</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbeb1@sisna.com href=3D"mailto:beb1@sisna.com">Ben</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August =
02, 2003=20
2:19 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: re: =
Need help=20
from all you BPowder shooters</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello the camp,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Need a little info and advice, =
if I could=20
trouble you for a second.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the novel I'm writing I have =
the main=20
character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot =
to the=20
neck. My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot =
with=20
primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is =
shooting=20
a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his =
father,=20
who was a gunsmith.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My question is: Do you think =
this is=20
realistic, or should I cut the yardage down?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What kind of groups do you =
shoot at 120=20
yards?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know when I was shooting =
BPower I could=20
keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, =
so I=20
didn't think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting =
archery=20
I could put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not =
every=20
time, but often enough I won our state championship one=20
year.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your help is =
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks, =20
=
Ben</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BOD=
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:11:27 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade
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Hello in the camp!
Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirements and
wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Trade. (
look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G.
I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">
http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm</A>
I have also add a few new pictures also have a look.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hello in the camp!
<BR>Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirement=
s and wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Tra=
de. ( look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G.=20
<BR>I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. <A HREF=3D"http://member=
s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/inde=
x.htm</A>
<BR>I have also add a few new pictures also have a look.=20
<BR>See ya on the trail
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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