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hist_text-digest        Wednesday, May 7 2003        Volume 01 : Number 1194



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events?
-áááááá MtMan-List: writer's death
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping
-áááááá MtMan-List: I'm back, kinda.. Whoopie
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: writer's death

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Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:35:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events?

In a message dated 5/5/03 7:46:30 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I am holding a Rendezvous at Fort Fuenaventura  >>

Try finding that one on the map!

I think  Ole means Fort Buena Ventura being a mingling of  AMM and American
Long Rifle Association.  It is intended to be a quality gathering for  . . .
. people of quality and visitors.  Right Ole?

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Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:42:10 -0600
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: writer's death

Today's Rocky Mountain News showed the obituary of David Lavender.
David was known to us for books like "Bent's Fort" and "A Fist in the
Wilderness", but he had written close to 40 history books all
together. He died at the age of 93 after a long undisclosed illiness.
The family said his ashes are to be spread on the ranch land of
western Colorado, which he loved.



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Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:17:07 -0600
From: Ole Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events?

on 5/5/03 12:35 PM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:

>
> In a message dated 5/5/03 7:46:30 AM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << I am holding a Rendezvous at Fort Fuenaventura  >>
>
> Try finding that one on the map!
>
> I think  Ole means Fort Buena Ventura being a mingling of  AMM and American
> Long Rifle Association.  It is intended to be a quality gathering for  . . .
> . people of quality and visitors.  Right Ole?
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Right Dick!
Ole


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Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:13:42 -0500
From: "Glenn Darilek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger

Jim Bridger is buried in the Mount Washington Cemetery in Independence,
Missouri.  It is not too difficult to find.  He was buried somewhere
else, but I think someone moved him around the turn of the last century.

Some say that the monument that is erected there is not really where he
is buried, and that history has lost his exact burial place.  When I
visited the cemetery a few years ago, I was wondering where he might be,
and saw two pine trees amongst the predominant hardwoods that were
there.  I had the romantic notion that he would have liked some reminder
of the Rocky Mountains near his grave, so he might be planted near those
pines.

That was one tough man.  A friend of mine once reminded us that we would
not have been worthy to even hold the reigns of Bridger's horse.

While passing through Kansas City, be sure to see the Arabia steamship
museum.  A few years past the rendezvous era, but the quantity and
quality of the plunder they recovered is enough to require bibs so as
not to drool all over the displays!

At 10:07 AM 5/3/03, you wrote:
>Hi Tom!  Hope all is well with you and yours.  A
>friend of mine from Kentucky is planning a trip west,
>and is passing through Kansas City.  He was wondering
>exactly where Jim Bridger was buried, and I couldn't
>remember.  I know it is in one of the suburbs, and
>used to know the cemetery name, but it has escaped me.
>  Can you help me out?  Thanks, Ron

Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner




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Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:34:32 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger

> While passing through Kansas City, be sure to see the Arabia steamship
> museum.  A few years past the rendezvous era, but the quantity and
> quality of the plunder they recovered is enough to require bibs so as
> not to drool all over the displays!

Stopped and saw that myself once. WOW!! As you say... not nice to drool
all over the displays. Amazing all of the stuff that was taken out "West".

Regards,

Ad Miller

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Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:59:19 +0000
From: "Sean Boushie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping

Monte,
To my knowledge traps were not waxed. At least I've never seen a refrence
for it, lets say that. Today we can dye them in logwood dye or sumac dye.
Was it feasible then for a man in the mountians to have a big pot to boil
his traps in?? My bet would be no. From experience I know all traps will
rust, in the water or not. I would suspect that traps were allowed to rust
much the same as a gun barrel would brown providing a natural protective
coating over time and use that way.

Those little sliders on a cable or wire are a modern item. While effective
I've never seen refrence to a "drowning wire" or the like. I use a stiff
chunk of manila rope secured close to the trap with a bag full of
rocks/gravel also tied close. Most (note I say most) of the time if you
select a slick/smooth spot on the bank with a quick drop off this will
provide a quick "drown"  Note also, beaver and other animals in a trap under
water do not drown, they pass out from holding their breath actually. Don't
believe me? Open one up next time.

Hello to the list
Sean in MT







>From: "Monte Holder" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:23:42 -0500
>
>
>I have been doing some reading on trapping and about dying and waxing the
>traps.  I got to wondering how/if this was done by the men on the rivers in
>the heyday of fur trade.  And how are the drowning sets used now different
>from the ones used today (or are they same)?  I'm thinking about those
>slides that lock the trap on the cable/wire.
>
>Monte Holder
>Saline Co MO
>
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Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:05:04 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping

 Note also, beaver and other animals in a trap under
> water do not drown, they pass out from holding their breath actually.
Don't
> believe me? Open one up next time.

Sean,

An oversimplification. People hold their breath too when they drown. At some
point unconciousness takes hold, some water will be aspirated, but it really
only complicates the situation in people by causing an imbalance in the
fluid makeup of the blood, too much salt in saltwater drownings, too much
water in the blood in freshwater drownings. These imbalances cause other
physiological problems within the bodies normal balance.

 As little as 22 ml/kg of body weight aspirated into the lungs will cause
the additional physiological burdens beyond the basic problem of no oxygen
exchange. It might be hard to detect any significant amount of water in the
lungs of an animal drowning. With people, very little water is aspirated and
that depends on the stage of drowning they are in and how they drown.

"Aspiration of fluid as little as 2.2 ml/kg body weight produces decrease in
paO2 to approximately 60 mm of Hg within 3 minutes. This is because the
water in the alveoli, alters the pulmonary sur-factant and thus increases
the pulmonary shunt via either fluid filled (salt water drowning) or
atel-ectatic (fresh water drowning) alveoli. Pearn 2 re-ported that the
aspiration of fluid as little as 2.5 ml/kg body weight increased the
intrapulmonary shunt as much as 75%. Even victims who are ap-parently normal
may show some abnormal blood gas report and take several days to reach
pre-drowning values. Delayed outpouring of fluid into the alveoli may occur
due to pulmonary parenchymal damage and transudation of protein rich fluid
following near-drowning.

      No great thing in the grand scheme of things but interesting none the
less.

      YMOS

      Capt. Lahti'




>
> Hello to the list
> Sean in MT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Monte Holder" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping
> >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:23:42 -0500
> >
> >
> >I have been doing some reading on trapping and about dying and waxing the
> >traps.  I got to wondering how/if this was done by the men on the rivers
in
> >the heyday of fur trade.  And how are the drowning sets used now
different
> >from the ones used today (or are they same)?  I'm thinking about those
> >slides that lock the trap on the cable/wire.
> >
> >Monte Holder
> >Saline Co MO
> >
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Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:12:55 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: I'm back, kinda.. Whoopie

 First, sorry about cross posting

As some of y'all may have noticed, my site has been quiet for about 3
months, no new knives rants or other going ons...
 Well, I fell down, went boom and trashed what was left of my right knee in
mid Feb.. , the sawbones took it off for me, shined 'er up and sewed it back
where it belonged (sorta) in March and in the process laid me up about
right.

 Yesterday (5/6) I went back to the shop and did 2 hours worth of work in
about 4 (hey, it's a start) and I will continue to be back at the forge 2-3
days a week for awhile at least.  It may be awhile before I do any axes,
welded hawks and such though.

 The main reason for this announcement is that if I was supposed to make you
something and you haven't heard from me or you inquired about anything and
never got an answer PLEASE WRITE ME.  I lost a few inquiries, orders and
such while I was laid up. I was using a laptop and while transferring stuff,
everything went to hell and most of it was zapped into oblivion. Some say it
was the Vicodin, but it wasn't, and that is my story and I am sticking to
it!

Thanks for your continued support.
Dennis Miles
Gimpy Blacksmith and Janitor


   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
            DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
       Knives and Iron Accouterments
      http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

   "Knowing how is just the beginning."


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Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:18:29 -0600
From: Charlie P Webb <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: writer's death

Mike,
Didn't  know Mr. Lavender personally, but am very familiar with his
works.
He could be considered a national treasure for his knowledge of "Bents
Fort" and Colorado in general.  He will be missed!
Charlie
>
> Today's Rocky Mountain News showed the obituary of David Lavender.
> David was known to us for books like "Bent's Fort" and "A Fist in
> the
> Wilderness", but he had written close to 40 history books all
> together. He died at the age of 93 after a long undisclosed
> illiness.
> The family said his ashes are to be spread on the ranch land of
> western Colorado, which he loved.
>
>
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