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hist_text-digest      Thursday, January 9 2003      Volume 01 : Number 1132



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travios
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travois
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travois
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travois
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Travois
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans

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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:20:10 -0700
From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Travios

Pardon my spelling I cannot get it close enough for even the computer to
tell how they spell it.

Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack
their stuff on.  Has anyone else used one?

I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit
unethical, at least for me.  I also wonder if they would be any better than
a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know.   I
recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too.  They are
definately historical  but I wonder how practical a travios is now days.

Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend my
"gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website!

Wynn Ormond



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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:29:06 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

>
> Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack
> their stuff on.  Has anyone else used one?

I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois.  I have used
one....once.  Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the
self control to put no  more on a travois than you can carry on you back.
The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it
you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to
spare.  Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or forty
feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage.  It's a lie!  As near as I could
figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole
pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained
between one and two pounds for each foot of travel.  I hauled that
instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to my
original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it.

>
> I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit
> unethical, at least for me.

They do make two nice furrows.  I don't know about ethics, but they do make
it easy to follow your trail.

 I also wonder if they would be any better than
> a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know.   I
> recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too.  They are
> definately historical  but I wonder how practical a travios is now days.

Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion
passes.  A small human pulled travois???  Nix Nix  Fuhgittaboutit  unless
you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home.
DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK
Now....on the other hand having the  little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in
along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse when
the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered
just above freezing for a couple of days.  Having an entirely enclosed tent
was a blessing beyond belief.  Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time.
So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and
bleeding don't say I didn't warn you.

Good Luck
Lanney Ratcliff





>
> Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend my
> "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website!
>
> Wynn Ormond
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:13:34 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

I also tried a human powered travois ONCE......   We abandonded the idea
quickly.  We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole one
one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and
carried in that way.  The friction (drag) made the travois very
impracticle.  We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals
pull the travois.  I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a
travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry it
on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag).   My opinion,
hardtack

Randal Bublitz
[e-mail]
Freedom is Not Free


> [Original Message]
> From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios
>
>
>
> >
> > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack
> > their stuff on.  Has anyone else used one?
>
> I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois.  I have used
> one....once.  Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the
> self control to put no  more on a travois than you can carry on you back.
> The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it
> you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to
> spare.  Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or
forty
> feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage.  It's a lie!  As near as I could
> figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole
> pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained
> between one and two pounds for each foot of travel.  I hauled that
> instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to
my
> original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it.
>
> >
> > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit
> > unethical, at least for me.
>
> They do make two nice furrows.  I don't know about ethics, but they do
make
> it easy to follow your trail.
>
>  I also wonder if they would be any better than
> > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know.   I
> > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too.  They are
> > definately historical  but I wonder how practical a travios is now days.
>
> Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion
> passes.  A small human pulled travois???  Nix Nix  Fuhgittaboutit  unless
> you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home.
> DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK
> Now....on the other hand having the  little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in
> along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse
when
> the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered
> just above freezing for a couple of days.  Having an entirely enclosed
tent
> was a blessing beyond belief.  Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time.
> So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and
> bleeding don't say I didn't warn you.
>
> Good Luck
> Lanney Ratcliff
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend
my
> > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website!
> >
> > Wynn Ormond
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------
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> >
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:09:01 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

I gotta agree with Lanney and Hardtack....  Spent time building a period
travois... Poles, rawhide, all period correct.. Used it once on a doins
during the Winter. Only a mile or so to the camp.. Was damned good firewood
when I got there....
D

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Randal Bublitz" <[e-mail]>
To: "hist_text" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios


> I also tried a human powered travois ONCE......   We abandonded the idea
> quickly.  We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole
one
> one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and
> carried in that way.  The friction (drag) made the travois very
> impracticle.  We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals
> pull the travois.  I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a
> travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry it
> on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag).   My opinion,
> hardtack
>
> Randal Bublitz
> [e-mail]
> Freedom is Not Free
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to
pack
> > > their stuff on.  Has anyone else used one?
> >
> > I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois.  I have used
> > one....once.  Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have
the
> > self control to put no  more on a travois than you can carry on you
back.
> > The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know
it
> > you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to
> > spare.  Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or
> forty
> > feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage.  It's a lie!  As near as I
could
> > figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot
lodgepole
> > pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained
> > between one and two pounds for each foot of travel.  I hauled that
> > instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to
> my
> > original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it.
> >
> > >
> > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a
bit
> > > unethical, at least for me.
> >
> > They do make two nice furrows.  I don't know about ethics, but they do
> make
> > it easy to follow your trail.
> >
> >  I also wonder if they would be any better than
> > > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know.
I
> > > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too.  They
are
> > > definately historical  but I wonder how practical a travios is now
days.
> >
> > Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the
notion
> > passes.  A small human pulled travois???  Nix Nix  Fuhgittaboutit
unless
> > you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at
home.
> > DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK
> > Now....on the other hand having the  little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in
> > along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse
> when
> > the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp
hovered
> > just above freezing for a couple of days.  Having an entirely enclosed
> tent
> > was a blessing beyond belief.  Warm and dry beats cold and wet every
time.
> > So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and
> > bleeding don't say I didn't warn you.
> >
> > Good Luck
> > Lanney Ratcliff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might
bend
> my
> > > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website!
> > >
> > > Wynn Ormond
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------
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http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:45:25 -0800
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

The travois was an implement of the Plains Culture, first with dogs later
horses.  On the Plains it allowed packing goods without needing a lot of
specialized pack gear.  Other than on the Plains they are too cumbersome to
use.  I tried one on a horse and it is better than nothing to pack on.  I'm
certain after a thousand miles of hauling one some old timey tricks would
be learned, which would make it lots easier; there's a technique and
learning to near everything.  Packs and saddles were easier for me to make
work, everywhere.  With packs on mules you can go lots of places a travois
can't possibly get through.

For hand use one of several styles of sled or sledge would be much more
practical and at least as appropriate.  Toboggan, dog sled (several
excellent styles to choose from), or one of the aforementioned sledges all
can be very practical ways to tote heavier loads.  The best one to use
depends on the terrain where you use it, and the season you use it in, and
a whether you have a buddy to help with the "push-me-pull-you".

Or just do without!

John...



At 08:13 PM 1/8/03, you wrote:
>I also tried a human powered travois ONCE......   We abandonded the idea
>quickly.  We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole one
>one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and
>carried in that way.  The friction (drag) made the travois very
>impracticle.  We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals
>pull the travois.  I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a
>travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry it
>on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag).   My opinion,
>hardtack
>
>Randal Bublitz
>[e-mail]
>Freedom is Not Free
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to pack
> > > their stuff on.  Has anyone else used one?
> >
> > I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois.  I have used
> > one....once.  Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have the
> > self control to put no  more on a travois than you can carry on you back.
> > The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you know it
> > you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room to
> > spare.  Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or
>forty
> > feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage.  It's a lie!  As near as I could
> > figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot lodgepole
> > pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained
> > between one and two pounds for each foot of travel.  I hauled that
> > instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition to
>my
> > original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it.
> >
> > >
> > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a bit
> > > unethical, at least for me.
> >
> > They do make two nice furrows.  I don't know about ethics, but they do
>make
> > it easy to follow your trail.
> >
> >  I also wonder if they would be any better than
> > > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know.   I
> > > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too.  They are
> > > definately historical  but I wonder how practical a travios is now days.
> >
> > Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the notion
> > passes.  A small human pulled travois???  Nix Nix  Fuhgittaboutit  unless
> > you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at home.
> > DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK
> > Now....on the other hand having the  little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed in
> > along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my arse
>when
> > the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp hovered
> > just above freezing for a couple of days.  Having an entirely enclosed
>tent
> > was a blessing beyond belief.  Warm and dry beats cold and wet every time.
> > So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and
> > bleeding don't say I didn't warn you.
> >
> > Good Luck
> > Lanney Ratcliff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might bend
>my
> > > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website!
> > >
> > > Wynn Ormond
>
>
>
>----------------------

Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:51:31 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

Hey John.
 If I could just talk Gwen into carrying everything, all would be grand...'
D

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kramer" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios


> The travois was an implement of the Plains Culture, first with dogs later
> horses.  On the Plains it allowed packing goods without needing a lot of
> specialized pack gear.  Other than on the Plains they are too cumbersome
to
> use.  I tried one on a horse and it is better than nothing to pack on.
I'm
> certain after a thousand miles of hauling one some old timey tricks would
> be learned, which would make it lots easier; there's a technique and
> learning to near everything.  Packs and saddles were easier for me to make
> work, everywhere.  With packs on mules you can go lots of places a travois
> can't possibly get through.
>
> For hand use one of several styles of sled or sledge would be much more
> practical and at least as appropriate.  Toboggan, dog sled (several
> excellent styles to choose from), or one of the aforementioned sledges all
> can be very practical ways to tote heavier loads.  The best one to use
> depends on the terrain where you use it, and the season you use it in, and
> a whether you have a buddy to help with the "push-me-pull-you".
>
> Or just do without!
>
> John...
>
>
>
> At 08:13 PM 1/8/03, you wrote:
> >I also tried a human powered travois ONCE......   We abandonded the idea
> >quickly.  We took one pole at a time, tied a bundle to it, put one pole
one
> >one guys shoulder, the other end of pole on the other guys shoulder and
> >carried in that way.  The friction (drag) made the travois very
> >impracticle.  We quickly learned why the old timers made the BIG animals
> >pull the travois.  I agree with lanney, the only way you could pull a
> >travois with a man is to have the load so light you might as well carry
it
> >on your back and not fight the forces of physics (drag).   My opinion,
> >hardtack
> >
> >Randal Bublitz
> >[e-mail]
> >Freedom is Not Free
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> > > To: <[e-mail]>
> > > Date: 1/8/03 6:29:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow I saw in a T&LR recently that someone had used a travios to
pack
> > > > their stuff on.  Has anyone else used one?
> > >
> > > I presume you are refering to a human propelled travois.  I have used
> > > one....once.  Trust me and forget the notion entirely unless you have
the
> > > self control to put no  more on a travois than you can carry on you
back.
> > > The thing is capable of holding a mountain of stuff and before you
know it
> > > you can have more plunder loaded than a mule can carry and have room
to
> > > spare.  Don't load it and test pull it around your yard for thirty or
> >forty
> > > feet and pronounce it a cinch to manage.  It's a lie!  As near as I
could
> > > figure my travois (made with well cured, lightweight 10-12 foot
lodgepole
> > > pine no more than 4 inches in diameter at the bases, mind you) gained
> > > between one and two pounds for each foot of travel.  I hauled that
> > > instrument of torture less than 3/4 mile and I swear that in addition
to
> >my
> > > original plunder there was an iron stove and a Mosler safe on it.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I wondered if they would dig trenches as you go along making them a
bit
> > > > unethical, at least for me.
> > >
> > > They do make two nice furrows.  I don't know about ethics, but they do
> >make
> > > it easy to follow your trail.
> > >
> > >  I also wonder if they would be any better than
> > > > a pack under most conditions but having never used one I don't know.
I
> > > > recall someone writing that they don't sidehill very well too.  They
are
> > > > definately historical  but I wonder how practical a travios is now
days.
> > >
> > > Build a big one and use a horse to pull it or go lie down until the
notion
> > > passes.  A small human pulled travois???  Nix Nix  Fuhgittaboutit
unless
> > > you pack it so lightly that people think you left half you stuff at
home.
> > > DON'T FORGET.....NO MORE THAN YOU CAN CARRY ON YOUR BACK
> > > Now....on the other hand having the  little 7X7 pryamid tent I packed
in
> > > along with the two shear poles to hold it up, pretty much saved my
arse
> >when
> > > the weather turned very rainy...stormy, in fact...... and the temp
hovered
> > > just above freezing for a couple of days.  Having an entirely enclosed
> >tent
> > > was a blessing beyond belief.  Warm and dry beats cold and wet every
time.
> > > So, do what you think best but if the experience leaves you broken and
> > > bleeding don't say I didn't warn you.
> > >
> > > Good Luck
> > > Lanney Ratcliff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Then again maybe I just don't like the idea that those poles might
bend
> >my
> > > > "gril friends" ears as Crazy calls her on his website!
> > > >
> > > > Wynn Ormond
> >
> >
> >
> >----------------------
>
> Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
> John Kramer  <[e-mail]>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:14:54 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans

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Laura Glise, God rest her soul, used to make spiced pecans she called =
"mountaineers nuts" and they were spectacularly tasty.  We have a bumper =
crop of pecans to use but I cannot find the recipe.......but I know she =
shared it on the internet.  Does anybody have a copy of her recipe?  If =
not, I will try to get it from her husband.  I hope to visit her grave =
before I get well enough to have to go back to work.  Presumably her =
marker will be in place and I will have photos to share with anybody =
interested.


Lanney Ratcliff
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Laura Glise, God rest her =
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spectacularly=20
tasty.  We have a bumper crop of pecans to use but I cannot =
find the=20
recipe.......but I know she shared it on the internet.  Does =
anybody have a=20
copy of her recipe?  If not, I will try to get it from her =
husband.  I=20
hope to visit her grave before I get well enough to have to go back =
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photos to=20
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:40:26 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

John, After trying many means of packing gear, I have reverted to an
ooooldddd  method I learned as a youngster......  hope no one complains
about my little red wagon in camp ...<g>.....   hardtack

Randal Bublitz
[e-mail]
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>
> The travois was an implement of the Plains Culture, first with dogs later
> horses.  On the Plains it allowed packing goods without needing a lot of
> specialized pack gear.  Other than on the Plains they are too cumbersome
to
> use.  I tried one on a horse and it is better than nothing to pack on.
I'm
> certain after a thousand miles of hauling one some old timey tricks would
> be learned, which would make it lots easier; there's a technique and
> learning to near everything.  Packs and saddles were easier for me to
make
> work, everywhere.  With packs on mules you can go lots of places a
travois
> can't possibly get through.
>
> For hand use one of several styles of sled or sledge would be much more
> practical and at least as appropriate.  Toboggan, dog sled (several
> excellent styles to choose from), or one of the aforementioned sledges
all
> can be very practical ways to tote heavier loads.  The best one to use
> depends on the terrain where you use it, and the season you use it in,
and
> a whether you have a buddy to help with the "push-me-pull-you".
>
> Or just do without!
>
> John...



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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 07:29:56 -0700
From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

Mr Miles wrote:
> Hey John.
>  If I could just talk Gwen into carrying everything, all would be
grand...'

Like I said earlier, check out Crazy's website. Under, I believe, horse
doins there is pic of my "gril friend" carrying all my stuff and mosta
Crazy's too.  I just hope for your sake that Gwen is a heap better looking
than she is.  Or at least not as "intelligent" as mule people like to call
them.

Randal Bublitz wrote:
>John, After trying many means of packing gear, I have reverted to an
>ooooldddd  method I learned as a youngster......  hope no one complains
>about my little red wagon in camp ...<g>.....   hardtack

Red is very historical color and wagons are in Millers paintings.  Even read
about them in Meeks story.  I just can't see any reason someone would
complain especially if you used the extra carrying capacity for an
earthenware jug.

Actually when I asked the original question I was referring to a horse drawn
aparatus, however it was from memory of comments from one of you who had
tried a human drawn travois that made me question the gains of a horse drawn
travois.  John's comment that it is better than nothing may be the key to
its use.  If you can rig up some kind of saddle to hook it to and a little
rope etc  a person can be on his way with both he and a load being carried.
I may have to try it sometime just to say I have.  May be a photo op.  I
could do the Trinity thing and sleep as we go.
Wynn



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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:56:43 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios

Wynn,
 I believe I will tell Gwen you compared her to a mule and let it go from
there.. I thinks I will sell tickts to this..<GG>
D


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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:30:00 -0700
From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois

I believe I have made another mistake.  I feel fortunate that you live in
Ohio and I live . . . . elsewhere.
Wynn

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> Wynn,
>  I believe I will tell Gwen you compared her to a mule and let it go from
> there.. I thinks I will sell tickts to this..<GG>
> D
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:55:30 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois

Heck Wynn,
 It ain't that far to Utah... <G>
D

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> I believe I have made another mistake.  I feel fortunate that you live in
> Ohio and I live . . . . elsewhere.
> Wynn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travios
>
>
> > Wynn,
> >  I believe I will tell Gwen you compared her to a mule and let it go
from
> > there.. I thinks I will sell tickts to this..<GG>
> > D
> >
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:40:08 -0700
From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois

> Heck Wynn,
>  It ain't that far to Utah... <G>
> D
>

Especially Southern Utah.  Way down. . . .  like St George or maybe El Paso.
WY



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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:55:44 -0700
From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Travois

>
> > Heck Wynn,
> >  It ain't that far to Utah... <G>
> > D
> >
>
 Man, I never knew that the Internet could be so dangerous.  It gives a
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:22:40 EST
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If we get you the recipes will you share us some pecans?

John (I can find you anything wholesale) Seminerio

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:01:01 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Glise's spiced pecans

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own recipe.  Fair enough?
Lanney
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