I have 4 smoothies... soon to be 5 when I add a Chambers NW Trade Gun.
One is a .50 cal and the rest are .62. I have a Fusil d'Chasse,
Chiefs Trade Gun, the .50 (made here in WV), and another .62 with a
52" barrel. can't remember who made it. For rifles I have a
Traditions Taos .50 cal, and a SC Poor Boy in .45 cal...
Regards,
Ad Miller
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From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Authentic period spirits
Ad,
You are going to cost me $$$.... I has GOT to get one of those medium
units... You know what fish DO in water??<GG>
D
Heh... why do you think I don't drink water? *GRINS*
Ad....
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:44:13 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
Hi Frank, I shoot a .50 cal Dixie Southern Mtn Rifle (poor boy), which
has had 7" removed from the barrel. I felt it was too barrel heavy, so had
it circumcized <g>. It's a handy rifle now. I have two smooth bores. A
canoe gun with a 20" barrel and a North Star West Trade gun with 36"
barrel. They are all flinters, and all serve their purpose, depending on
what that is... I have a handy 6" barrel pistol to match the .62
smoothies. The pistol isn't much on the long range, but woe to the poor
short range target it gets pointed at. Those percussions are a cute idea,
BUT they won't catch on...... Randy-hardtack
Randal Bublitz
rjbublitz@earthlink.net
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> [Original Message]
> From: <JOAQUINQS@aol.com>
>
> Maybe this topic has already been discussed, but I would like to ask
everyone what type of rifle or smoothbore do you use? does anyone out there
use a (dare I say) a percussion rifle.
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:01:51 EST
From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
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this is not intended to start a heated discussion, but I truly want to know
why folks are always bashing "percussion" rifles with comments such as
persuction,nipple huggers,and a few others i wont mention here. I happen to
like mine and know for that some (not many were in use in the RMFT era,
maybe late in the era,). I just dont truly understand this. If anyone wants
to bash percussion rifles just email me personally off list.
thanks to all responses and Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to all
Frank Sablan
Midland,Texas
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> this is not intended to start a heated discussion, but I truly want to know why folks are always bashing "percussion" rifles with comments such as persuction,nipple huggers,and a few others i wont mention here. I happen to like mine and know for that some (not many were in use in the RMFT era, maybe late in the era,). I just dont truly understand this. If anyone wants to bash percussion rifles just email me personally off list.<BR>
<BR>
thanks to all responses and Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to all<BR>
<BR>
Frank Sablan<BR>
Midland,Texas</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 05:28:32 +0000
From: "Sean Boushie" <flintlocknfur@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re;Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey to JOAQUINQS
Its just a thing of pride for one and second I just don't believe any self
smart beaver trapper from Montana 1000 miles from the settlements and a
source of those little nipple huggers would want one when he could pick up a
rock out of the creek for free. It's no diffrent than if you were offered a
shiny fancy new vehicle that you have to buy all the gas for or a plain jane
that was guaranted to almost never brake down and it came with a lifetime
supply of fuel for free. Which would you choose? third those that shoot them
over time realize that they simply make you a better shooter because you
learn to become part of the gun as it were and learn to finese it thru all
its excentricities. If you like you nipple gun, thats fine with me. But for
my area, my timeline it just don't fit.
>From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:01:51 EST
>
> this is not intended to start a heated discussion, but I truly want to
>know
>why folks are always bashing "percussion" rifles with comments such as
>persuction,nipple huggers,and a few others i wont mention here. I happen
>to
>like mine and know for that some (not many were in use in the RMFT era,
>maybe late in the era,). I just dont truly understand this. If anyone
>wants
>to bash percussion rifles just email me personally off list.
>
>thanks to all responses and Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to all
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Frank, I like all those other answers..... I agree, it's a prideful jibe.... I can shoot better with a caplock, but enjoy the challenge of the g*d <A href="mailto:da#@(!d">da#@(!d</A> F*c&X!$ flintch lock. I figger if one can make a flintlock work, he can shoot anything. In the early days the caps were not as reliable as they are today. Russel mentions in his journals about the caps going off in the heat, etc.... As has been mentioned, where would a guy get caps in the middle of the Rockies in mid 1830s? Flint (actually chirt) abounds all over the continent. I just picked up some nice nodules 2 weeks ago while camping in the nearby hills. As the old song goes..." You can always find a rock, to make that musket talk....." It's a flintlock, Lord God, It's a flintlock.... (PS...don't tell anyone but I have a couple of cartridge guns too....modern stuff.... 1894 winchester and a single action revolver)... Yfab, Randy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> this is not intended to start a heated discussion, but I truly want to know why folks are always bashing "percussion" rifles with comments such as persuction,nipple huggers,and a few others i wont mention here. I happen to like mine and know for that some (not many were in use in the RMFT era, maybe late in the era,). I just dont truly understand this. If anyone wants to bash percussion rifles just email me personally off list.<BR><BR>thanks to all responses and Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to all<BR><BR>Frank Sablan<BR>Midland,Texas</FONT> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:46:20 -0800
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
Frank,
A long time ago I had to decide on just one, I had all kinds of plain and
fancy to chose from; all but one had to go.
I kept a .69 Charleville cut down to 30", carved to fit my face, tacked up
some with a convenient leather sling. It has never let me down. It makes
dull rocks spark. It has kept me fed when it counted, it has comforted the
night in Ol' Ephraim's neighborhood, it was the only one I had for several
years.
It's been mule stomped, stolen and recovered, lost and found, bashed
against trees and dumped in creeks by my horses, dropped onto rocks far
below, used to trip traps, drug on the ground, kept loaded for years at a
time, and always went boom when I wanted, it was seldom cleaned and sorely
mistreated, it is flat beautiful. And none the worse for the wear.
When I was on the trail I folded a piece of rawhide into an open end
pocket, laced it up, and hung it from the rigging on my saddle, it carried
well.
I seldom take it out anymore, there are more fashionable things to show off.
If God had meant for man to shoot percussion caps he'd have lined the
bottoms of the rivers and the cricks with'em.
John...
At 08:44 PM 12/18/02, you wrote:
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <JOAQUINQS@aol.com>
> >
> > Maybe this topic has already been discussed, but I would like to ask
>everyone what type of rifle or smoothbore do you use? does anyone out there
>use a (dare I say) a percussion rifle.
> >
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:17:30 EST
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Help with blacksmith artifact
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Beaverboy
My guess without seeing them if they are some type of trappers tool would be
fleshing spoons. When fleshing rats and critters with thin hinds like
rabbits, fox I have used a large table spoon to flesh them, much less of a
chance of cut the hide. Using it much like a bell scrapper which I use on
beaver hinds after clean skinning them, after they are whooped.
<BR>My guess without seeing them if they are some type of trappers tool would be fleshing spoons. When fleshing rats and critters with thin hinds like rabbits, fox I have used a large table spoon to flesh them, much less of a chance of cut the hide. Using it much like a bell scrapper which I use on beaver hinds after clean skinning them, after they are whooped.
<BR>Just a thought
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:20:53 EST
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
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In a message dated 12/18/02 11:50:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kramer@kramerize.com writes:
> A long time ago I had to decide on just one, I had all kinds of plain and
> fancy to chose from; all but one had to go.
>
I have several friends that agree with that idea, John, but those with the
most toys, wins doncha know. The one gun idea DOES have merit. I did that
for a few years & got to know that rifle intimately. No matter what range, I
would swear I was holding dead on. I KNOW on a 200 yd shot it HAS to be held
high, but at that time the hold over had become automatic and "mind's eye"
saw it as dead on.
For hunting, I carry an old Dixie poor boy I've rebarreled to .54 & relocked
(L&R "drop in") to flint. For trail walks & target I have 2 customs. 1st is
a little 1/2 stock .45 by Ralph Goodman that's convertible flint & percussion
though it normally wears the flint version of the two Silers. 2nd is a
reproduction of Fredric Sell's Pegasus by Steve Lodding in .50 cal --
'course, it's a flinter too. My smoothie is one of those fairly popular
amongst this bunch -- North Star West's trade gun in .62. Never could get
the hang of flints on the short guns, so I fudge with my pistols & use those
new fangled copper thingys. Just got a really new modern gun -- 1st model
Dragoon -- 3rd generation Colt. While it's real purty to look at, haven't
had time to figure out what kind of a diet it wants, so can't hit $hi+ with
it yet. May never get it to shoot straight, but that's OK, it ain't for
serious shootin' anyhow. Got 4 single shot pistols (all .45 cal) that shoot
just fine. Of that 4, 1 is a Traditions, the rest are customs. One from
Ralph Goodman is also convertable. I built one for my wife, but she's given
up shooting. The 3rd is a Steve Lodding, also built for my wife. Since she
doesn't use 'em anymore, I use hers now & then just to keep 'em warmed up in
case she decides to come out of "retirement". Her rifle is so short (12 1/4"
pull) I can't shoot the dang thing unless I try using it for another pistol!
It's a Pedersoli I rebarreled & shortened for her.
Nauga Mok
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 12/18/02 11:50:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, kramer@kramerize.com writes:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A long time ago I had to decide on just one, I had all kinds of plain and <BR>
I have several friends that agree with that idea, John, but those with the most toys, wins doncha know. The one gun idea DOES have merit. I did that for a few years & got to know that rifle intimately. No matter what range, I would swear I was holding dead on. I KNOW on a 200 yd shot it HAS to be held high, but at that time the hold over had become automatic and "mind's eye" saw it as dead on.<BR>
<BR>
For hunting, I carry an old Dixie poor boy I've rebarreled to .54 & relocked (L&R "drop in") to flint. For trail walks & target I have 2 customs. 1st is a little 1/2 stock .45 by Ralph Goodman that's convertible flint & percussion though it normally wears the flint version of the two Silers. 2nd is a reproduction of Fredric Sell's Pegasus by Steve Lodding in .50 cal -- 'course, it's a flinter too. My smoothie is one of those fairly popular amongst this bunch -- North Star West's trade gun in .62. Never could get the hang of flints on the short guns, so I fudge with my pistols & use those new fangled copper thingys. Just got a really new modern gun -- 1st model Dragoon -- 3rd generation Colt. While it's real purty to look at, haven't had time to figure out what kind of a diet it wants, so can't hit $hi+ with it yet. May never get it to shoot straight, but that's OK, it ain't for serious shootin' anyhow. Got 4 single shot pistols (all .45 cal) that shoot just fine. Of that 4, 1 is a Traditions, the rest are customs. One from Ralph Goodman is also convertable. I built one for my wife, but she's given up shooting. The 3rd is a Steve Lodding, also built for my wife. Since she doesn't use 'em anymore, I use hers now & then just to keep 'em warmed up in case she decides to come out of "retirement". Her rifle is so short (12 1/4" pull) I can't shoot the dang thing unless I try using it for another pistol! It's a Pedersoli I rebarreled & shortened for her. <BR>
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:25:42 -0600
From: Monte Holder <sja028@mail.connect.more.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Water Horns & small kettles?
While waiting for the kids at music lessons I was reading the Jed. Smith stuff
from the website. Once he mentioned they "filled thier horns" with water
before taking off. Then they got really dry, and left one guy behind and Smith
filled up a "small" kettle and took water back. THe small part interested me
because it states small was 6-7 qts.
Is there any additional information on these "water horns"?
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:03:14 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Water Horns & small kettles?
Monte, They would fill their powder horns in an emergency. James Ohio
Pattie wrote about it too. Randy
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> Subject: MtMan-List: Water Horns & small kettles?
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> While waiting for the kids at music lessons I was reading the Jed. Smith
stuff
> from the website. Once he mentioned they "filled thier horns" with water
> before taking off. Then they got really dry, and left one guy behind and
Smith
> filled up a "small" kettle and took water back. THe small part
interested me
> because it states small was 6-7 qts.
>
> Is there any additional information on these "water horns"?
>
> Monte Holder
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:32:13 -0700 (MST)
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
Kramer wrote,
> It's been mule stomped, stolen and recovered, lost and found, bashed
> against trees and dumped in creeks by my horses, dropped onto rocks far
> below, used to trip traps, drug on the ground, kept loaded for years
> at a time, and always went boom when I wanted, it was seldom cleaned
> and sorely mistreated, it is flat beautiful. And none the worse for
> the wear.
John,
I'd like to ask that gun to marry me, if you don't mind.
Sincerely,
beaverboy
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:20:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Branson <d49_mbranson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
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I own and shoot all kinds of guns. I have hunted with all of them. Caplocks, flintlocks, In modern guns I prefer a browning model 78 single shot based on the old hi-wall winchester. I own one chambered for the 7mm rem. mag. Great gun. My flint is a rifle I built myself: 42" swamped Getz barrel .54 cal. with curly maple stock and brass furniture, siler lock. Great rifle. But all my guns are left-handed. I have built 26 long rifles over the last 30 years. Some cap some flint. I 'm also prejudiced about some rifles. I don't like factory made rifles from Spain. The main springs are usually too weak. The Italia flint guns don't spark too well. I spent a lot of time in the late 70s early 80s re-facing frizzens and changin out main springs for guys who wouldn't buy custom rifles. To each his own. The rifle I'm just finishing is for Davy Crockett. At least the new Davy Crockett in the new film coming out next year. It is a Jacob Dickert style with a nice L&R lock. It sparks like a raped ape. has to, Davy can't have a mis-fire in front of millions of people. He might get killed. Merry Christmas to all.
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:01:57 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey
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In a message dated 12/18/2002 11:24:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes:
> (PS...don't tell anyone but I have a couple of cartridge guns too....modern
> stuff.... 1894 winchester and a single action revolver)... Yfab, Randy
A BUTT-STUFFER!!!!!!!...... Randy, I'm shocked!
<G>
Magpie
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">(PS...don't tell anyone but I have a couple of cartridge guns too....modern stuff.... 1894 winchester and a single action revolver)... Yfab, Randy</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sheeesh...didn't I say ..."don't tell anyone..." <g> my reputatation is ruint..... oh well...won't be the first time. Magpie, I figured when the rag heads rebel, I'd beter have something that shoots quicker than my Trade Gun..... Randy (who is slowly aproaching the 19 century)</FONT></DIV>
