What you stated has merit, but in defense of most (not all) research author's and information stated by them, overall they give as much as possible at the time their research was done, but as we all know as time and methods of detection improve "what was correct at one time may and sometimes changes todays information from what was done a year or so before", look at the JFK stuff - 1st it was one group, then another and another, the story changes with each little piece added to the puzzle.
We have a friend (a retired ILL Historical Society Researcher) that has good solid information (proof) about Lewis' death - was not of his own doing, Crosby contacted the National Historical Society in Washington D.C. and was told if this information was used it would costs millions in just rewriting history, so nothing has been done.
So we go with what has been recorded, even though those that have seen the documents he has know better, agree of the mistake - nothing changed.
Sometimes you win and sometimes your just stuck knowing personally what is right or wrong.
Concho [HRD]
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:23:50
jay geisinger wrote:
>Klahowya Sihks,
>
and after 180yrs in the telling it got turned around to the entire trap in the story. Them some folks always eager to show there knowledge start arguing over the jot and tittle of the damn thing and before you know it its a pissin match. Everyone of us has read something while doing research and took it as gospel only to find out we were wrong and that great author didn't really know scat, or at least only part of his scat.
>PoorBoy.....or Jay Geisinger for those of you that would prefer I use my real monicker.
John has it right.... Rapine makes just about any cal mold you'd want. Here=20
is the address and phone number.The mold you want is the "primitive bag=20
mould" and they ain't cheap.... my last .530 mold cost $59.95 (up about $10=20
from last year) but you can't find a better bag mold anywhere. They also=20
carry a pretty slick copper lead ladle.....
Rapine Bullet Mold Mfg. Co.
9503 Landis Lane
East Greenville, PA 18041
215-679-5413
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:56:57 -0500
From: "John McKee" <stitchin@sirisonline.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: regarding spam
Ladies and Gentlemen of the List,
As I am sure you remember, last week we had a couple of spam emails sent
through The List. I hate spam so I followed up on these. I received an email
from a "F G. Leibel " who wrote that if I received anymore spam that I
should forward it to him/her in it's entirety to abuse@xmission.com and that
it would be dealt with. I have saved that letter and will do as instructed
if more of that sort of thing rears it's ugly head again. Just thought you
might want to tuck the address away just in case I don't catch it.
YMOS, John
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:34:42 -0700
From: "Daniel L. "Concho" Smith" <hrd7@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Soap and Hygiene
Here's a letter written to customers looking for correct period soap from Clark & Sons Mercantile a few years ago, by the way this was the revised recipe from another that was dated approxmiately 50 years before the 1710 date of the new soap.
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Date: May 19, 1996
Hey, ôThe Campö;
Subject: 1710 Recipe - Soap.
IÆm told the curing time because of the recipe (just discovered
this year in PA., in an early 1700Æs cookbook - 2nd edition dated
1710); is a lengthy 2 months.
WeÆre looking at December 1st for our supply to arrive. This will
be a correct early American Colonies Soap that is right in ever
possible way from its manufacture to its content. Researchers have
found soap particles that have this soap's material makeup in the
finds on the western frontier (Ohio), back then that was the wild
country.
YouÆll be reading about this soap in articles by Mark Baker, John
Curry and others in most of the magazines, such as Muzzleloader,
Backwoodsman, On The Trail, Tomahawk & Long Rifle, Smoke & Fire
News, etc.
Thank You
Buck
dba/Clark & Sons Mercantile
Thank you for the chance to further my knowledge and possibly give
you alittle help in your search too.
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I was the one that researched the soap recipe and found the folks that where still using it in the Amish communities today. I think Pablo of C&SM still has the soap listed in his wares.
My 1/2 cent worth.
Concho [HRD]
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:03:51
Pat Quilter wrote:
>There are not many direct references in the journals to bathing habits or
>lack thereof, so one must read between the lines.
>
>First we need to recall the average custom of the day. In the days before
>running water, it was a major undertaking to prepare a bath, therefore,
>washing more than hands and face was fairly rare, except perhaps in the
>summer when streams and ponds were tolerable. There are some references
>commenting on the "amazingly good health" of the Indians, since it was
>believed that you had to wear a lot of clothes to avoid illness. This is the
>background mentality of the settlements. Travelers from Europe like Charles
>Dickens commented on the generally low standards of hygiene in America.
>Around 1900, America began its long march to becoming the plumbing and
>bathing capital of the world, but early 19th century conditions were
>distinctly grubby.
>
>Now imagine men living outdoors in the wilderness, wading muddy beaver ponds
>and daily skinning their catch and any other animals they hunted. One must
>assume that on the whole, trappers were about as greasy and grimy as we can
>imagine. There are some references, sometimes humerous, to washing in
>creeks, boiling shirts, etc, but they are related as exceptional cases
>worthy of comment. But, if it was hot enough to relish a dip in the creek,
>I imagine they did so. There are also some comments to going months without
>washing, hair matted, etc, which also must have been somewhat exceptional.
>Living outdoors around campfires, one pretty much gets used to various
>smells. Anyone who has cleaned a game animal realizes that your hands get
>rather gamy smelling and it's not that easy to wash off, even with soap.
>
>All that said, if they had soap, it assume it would have been the usual
>preparation made with lye and wood ashes. Also, certain plants produce a
>somewhat soapy effect.
>
>Pat Quilter
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:47:55 -0400
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Alfred J. Miller
Thanks for this additional info Mark. I don't think everyone at the museum is with the program. I sent an email to the address listed last time and got a response that they carry NO AJM and directed me to the Amon Carter and one one other museum. This should help. Thanks. Pat.
Patrick Surrena
AMM #1449
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