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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:06:50 EDT
From: Hawkengun@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bents fort
Hey Bob Larison,
John Sweet here. How are things going with the BEOL friends organization?
jrs
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Branson <d49_mbranson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bents fort
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My wife and i would be interested in coming to the fort again and helping out over the 4th let me know some more info. Mike Branson
Robert Larison <Francothefrog@msn.com> wrote: henry i came across your message about the fort . it was from a few years ago. the volunteer program is still active and could use your help. we are plasnning a 4th of july progrm if you would be interested? this event is sponsered by the friends group of the fort. this will be a single day event only. it will not be a reimbursed event. volunteers are asked to come only for the enjoyment of the fort. you could contact me directly or greg holt at the fort. i hope you are still active in living history and it would be a pleasure to see you again. cordially, bob larison, blacksmith from santa fe
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I had a little electrical problem over the weekend. Did not think much of
it Sunday when my slow intellect suddenly came to the conclussion that with
no electicity in the shop there is three deer hides that aint going to say
frozen.
Anyway after several hours I had three hides scrapped off and set out to dry
Then I decided to take the four year old thoroughbred out to do a little
work. Took my slow intellect a while to figure out that those hides drying
nearby were the reason he was so jumpy. So may I recommend another use for
your hides while they are waiting to be tanned. Use them for sacking out
your cayuses. After he got to where he would stand steady on a loose lead
rope while I rubbed, and threw the hides around him, I set it accross his
neck and took him for a ride.
For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out on a canoe
also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that.
Wynn Ormond
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:30:35 -0700
From: "Lee Newbill" <bluethistle@potlatch.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Deer Hides
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...and threw the hides around him, I set it accross his neck and took him
for a ride. For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out
on a canoe also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that.
Wynn Ormond
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I don't know Wynn.... I've seen some pretty flighty canoes. Why, here in
the Clearwater country, our "B" dugout will buck, snort, and then toss her
riders at the first sign of rough water, Lord only knows what'd she do if I
threw a dead deer at her. I ain't that brave.....
We're working on dugout #8 now (& I've got the blisters to prove it)...
maybe if I sack her before we carve, she'll be better behaved on the wild
water.....
Regards
Lee Newbill
AMM #1821
http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle/
http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:19:59 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides
In a message dated 4/29/02 5:13:16 AM, leona3@sourceoneinternet.com writes:
<< For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out on a canoe
also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that.
>>
Haaaaaaa......... had a canoe once just roll over because of a dam beaver!
Magpie
(... the beaver was hanging over my shoulder at the time.....<G>)
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:44:31 -0700
From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides
>For those of you who canoe instead of horse, you can try it out on a canoe
also, I just don't know how scared they get of things like that.
Wynn Ormond>
Wynn,
Generally speaking of course, most canoes aren't naturally shy of hides and
such but once in a while you'll get one that is..............
Main thing to remember after you "sack" them with a couple hides thrown
around them and layed across the thwarts and such is to not go overboard. By
that I mean don't pile hides on either a green or hide broke canoe too high.
The canoe , any canoe will buck them off if you do that. Trust me.
Don't load them off center either. You've got to load the hides low in the
canoe and center for best balance and safety not to mention the carrying
comfort of the canoe. Off center and the canoe has to work too hard to stay
upright. Ever been thrown by an off center canoe? Not a pretty sight I'll
tell you! Seen it happen too many times by over zelous and inexperienced
canoe packers. Trying to make it down river without taking proper care will
do it every time.
There's not much sense in having spent all that time collecting all them
hides and taking care that they are properly scraped and dryed for market if
your just going to get careless with your canoe and get them hides wet or
worse, lost overboard.
Which brings me to one final point. Tie them in. Do the same with anything
else you pack in your canoe that you don't want to dive for or swim for. And
in closing, though they are more inherently stable, the same applies to
bateau and bull boats.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:59:36 -0700
From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides
> I don't know Wynn.... I've seen some pretty flighty canoes. Why, here in
> the Clearwater country, our "B" dugout will buck, snort, and then toss her
> riders at the first sign of rough water, Lord only knows what'd she do if
I
> threw a dead deer at her. I ain't that brave.....
Lee,
I won't comment on your relative bravery, after all you do try to traverse
rivers and other bodies of water in dugouts. I'm sure your right about the
cantancerous nature of your dug outs. I don't know if it is inherent in the
species or whether it is poor breeding habits of the owners. (how the dug
outs are bred, not how the owners breed).
One problem I can see from a distance (as close as I'm going to get to one
of your untamed dugouts at my age) may come from the breeding stock you
select. You say your using Yellow Pine? Perhaps you are really using a SUB
species? Yellow Water Pine? As I have noticed from the safety of the high
bank your dugouts tend to not want to deal with white water and tailouts
quite the way I think a well trained dugout should. They seem to want to
pitch down at the bottom of a rapid stretch of water and not resurface for
some distance.
Kinda like a sub?! That's why I'm guessing that your using a subspecies, not
a true pure bred tree. Anyway it's just a thought and one I doubt you'll
spend much time on considering the time you spent deciding to build and man
dugouts rather than a proper built bateau, bull boat or canoe.
Good luck and good sailing,or scouting the bottom of the Clearwater as it
were. Say! An afterthough, have you considered issuing each crew member with
a reed to breath through? Saves bailing.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:44:59 -0500
From: Jim Lindberg <lindy@ecol.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Wisconsin Public Television and more
If you're interested, Wisconsin Public Television has some interesting
shows coming in May.
First is "When Wisconsin Was New France" 7 pm Wednesday May 1 and
repeated May 6 at 10 pm.
Next, "Lewis and Clark: Journey of the Corps of Discovery" part 1 will
air May 7th at 9 pm. Part 2 will be May 15 at 9 pm.
Finally, May 28th at 9 pm, "Anyplace Wild Special" "Adventuring in
Canada: Lewis and Clark's inspiration." Follow the first European to
record a journey across North America." "John and Tommy Viehman
re-create part of Alexander Mackenzie's 1793 exploration of North
America that was an inspiration to Thomas Jefferson."
More info can be found at http://wpt.org
Looking on going on a voyageur trip around the Apostle Islands in a 36
foot birch bark canoe? Check out http://www.spiritofthevoyageur.com
Saw the advertisement in a nature guide. Costs $435, they provide
everything but clothes and sleeping gear.
I have no personal knowledge of the group, just passing on info.
Jim Lindberg
Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:50:30 EDT
From: JimInTexas1962@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer Hides
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Gotta watch them danged canoes!!! them critters can get plum skittish on ye!
but so can a 3yr old colt ,but ye aint gotta worry as much about drownin with
them. Speaking of sacking out colts ,I start with the sacking "object"folded
up and rub em like I am brushing them(the colt)and end up being able to
throw,literally, the sack on thier head and lead them while blinded with the
sack.have yet to have any wrecks with this procedure and it seems to calm
them down ALOT!
respectfully
Jim Branson
Inez TX
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Gotta watch them danged canoes!!! them critters can get plum skittish on ye! but so can a 3yr old colt ,but ye aint gotta worry as much about drownin with them. Speaking of sacking out colts ,I start with the sacking "object"folded up and rub em like I am brushing them(the colt)and end up being able to throw,literally, the sack on thier head and lead them while blinded with the sack.have yet to have any wrecks with this procedure and it seems to calm them down ALOT!<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:03:42 -0700
From: "Lee Newbill" <bluethistle@potlatch.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Deer Hides & Dugouts
Dearest Capt Lahti
> I don't know if it is inherent in the species or whether
> it is poor breeding habits of the owners. (how the dug
> outs are bred, not how the owners breed).
I am deeply wounded by your slanderous verbage as it relates to the breeding
of our dugouts. The are bred from the finest "whatever we can get" that is
available. I must also point out that tis only the trees we cut from the
crumbling slopes of Washington that have ever visited grief upon our poor
souls. The Idaho trees float bravely through all. Ok, maybe not through
all, but through most... well, some anyway.
> I won't comment on your relative bravery, after all you
> do try to traverse rivers and other bodies of water in dugouts.
To quote me lovely bride on the subject of courage & dugouts..... "ye no
lack bravery lad, methinks ye lack sense." Still haven't figgered that
out... I gots a jar full of pennies... so I's gots lots of cents.
> Good luck and good sailing,or scouting the bottom of the
> Clearwater as it were. Say! An afterthough, have you considered
> issuing each crew member with a reed to breath through? Saves bailing.
As far as the reed idea.... indeed, that might save a goodly amount of time,
particularly when it comes to passing through the rapids of the
Clearwater... & we don't scout the bottom of the Clearwater, we are merely
inspecting the bottom of our boats for barnicles.
On another note, I've gotten meself assigned to the University detail for
the next three years... should allow me some weekends to dink around with
WPH party & crew.
Dugouts.... the first submersable water craft!
Regards
Lee Newbill
AMM #1821
http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle/
http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:53:54 -0500
From: Brenda <Bdear@swbell.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
After the Southwest "Raindezvous" in Ok. The tent that my friend loaned
someone was not put back up to Dry out, so it is heavily mildewed. What
can we clean it with?
Brenda
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:28:25 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
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Brenda, A tentsmith once told me that you put the tent up, scrub it inside
and out with a mixture of detergent and bleach, and rinse it really well with
lots of water. He said soap cleans it and bleach both kills the bacteria and
lightens the stain. IIRC, he said it would be difficult to remove all the
discoloration, but stopping the mildew growth was the most important thing.
After it drys completely you can pack it up, or if you were going to
re-waterproof or flame-retard the canvas, this would be the time to do so.
Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Brenda, A tentsmith once told me that you put the tent up, scrub it <U>inside and out</U> with a mixture of detergent and bleach, and rinse it really well with lots of water. He said soap cleans it and bleach both kills the bacteria and lightens the stain. IIRC, he said it would be difficult to remove all the discoloration, but stopping the mildew growth was the most important thing.<BR>
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After it drys <U>completely</U> you can pack it up, or if you were going to re-waterproof or flame-retard the canvas, this would be the time to do so. <BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:54:29 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
Vinegar (glacial acetic acid 10%) works on mildew as well... As
stated, rinse THOROUGHLY or it will smell like a pickle factory...
Strong bleach may have a tendency to compromise the integrety of the
canvas and will definately remove the water proofing. Vinegar will
not rot the fabric... If necessary, you can use a MILD bleach solution
to remove the stain, and be sure to rinse THOROUGHLY to get the
remnants of the bleach out of the fabric. Al Levins at Spring Valley
Lodges sells a great water-proofing solution.
Regards,
Ad Miller
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Date: 29 Apr 2002 21:01:30 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bents fort
The volunteer program would be a lot more active if they got rid of Don =
Hill. Don
On Sunday, June 15, 1941, Robert Larison <Francothefrog@msn.com> wrote:
>
>henry=A0 i came across your message about the fort .=A0 it was from
>a few years ago. the volunteer program is still active and
>could use your help.=A0 we are plasnning a 4th of july progrm if
>you would be interested?=A0 this event is sponsered by the
>friends group of the fort.=A0 this will be a single day event
>only.=A0 it will not be a reimbursed event.=A0 volunteers are asked
>to come only for the enjoyment of the fort.=A0 you could contact
>me directly or greg holt at the fort.=A0 i hope you are still
>active in living history and it would be a pleasure to see you again.
> =A0
> cordially,
> =A0
> bob larison,=A0 blacksmith from santa fe
>
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:13:28 -0700
From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
X-14 works and so does a weak bleach solution, too strong and you may weaken
the fabric so just go slow. As soon as the black from the mildew goes away
rinse the fabric to get the bleaching agent out.
Capt. Lahti'
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From: "Brenda" <Bdear@swbell.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:53 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
> After the Southwest "Raindezvous" in Ok. The tent that my friend loaned
> someone was not put back up to Dry out, so it is heavily mildewed. What
> can we clean it with?
> Brenda
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:36:28 -0400
From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
Outfitters trick
Mildew on tent
in spray bottle put 1 tablespoon bleach
1 taqble spoon Borax
2 drops Garlic oil
mix.. spray on tent liberal early in morning
let sun fully hit tent.. by dusk
mildew gone and wont comeback for many months
garlic oil holds the "set" on the waterproof already in fabric
borax helps whiten and bleach does same and kills spores
Windwalker
also after treatment a high degree of smoke on tent fabric will deter
mildew
Remember dry tent out before taking down if possible
if not spread out when at home
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On 4/29/02 at 9:13 PM rtlahti wrote:
>X-14 works and so does a weak bleach solution, too strong and you may
>weaken
>the fabric so just go slow. As soon as the black from the mildew goes away
>rinse the fabric to get the bleaching agent out.
>
>Capt. Lahti'
>
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>From: "Brenda" <Bdear@swbell.net>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:53 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
>
>
>> After the Southwest "Raindezvous" in Ok. The tent that my friend loaned
>> someone was not put back up to Dry out, so it is heavily mildewed. What
>> can we clean it with?
>> Brenda
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:58:18 EDT
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mildew on tent
Brenda
for mildew I have had recommended - and used - 50% clorox and water in a
spray bottle, scrubbing, and a thorough rinse - then let it dry in the sun.
I am really uneasy, though about the Clorox weakening the fibers and that I
perhaps didn't rinse out all the residuals. I have read since that vinegar
is the thing to use to kill the fungus. I havn't used it yet, but I've
wished I had. The Clorox did work - but I am not comfortable. Vinegar, like
lemon juice (used with salt) is an acid and acids will kill mould/fungus. so
I guess it is a safer way to go. It may take some soap and water scrubbing
and a good rins after, as well. If you do try the vinegar (or lemon juice),
I'd like to know of your results.
Good luck
Richard James
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:06:29 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bag
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Folks,
Sorry for the crossposting, but I want to say that I recv'd my new =
shooting bag from Rick Duvelius <rlduvelius@your-net.com> last week at =
Ft Frederick. The workmanship is fantastic and the price is reasonable =
for a handcrafted item. Look him up, its worth it.
D
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Knives and Iron Accouterments
http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
"Knowing how is just the beginning."
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<DIV>into the Land auction. I'm not gonna tell ya how long it takes to inlet hard </DIV>
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