<BR>ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture.
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:00:59 EDT
From: JimInTexas1962@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: postponed rendezvous
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Was not aware of this rondy! would like more info on it if possible.where is
it to be held?Any special requirements ect......?
Thanks in advance
Jim Branson
JinInTexas1962@aol.com
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Thanks in advance<BR>
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:52:59 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent?
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I did, but the pictures are hazy as is much of his work. If it
were a one pole structure, I would say it is a round style rather
than the 4 sides shepherds style we see at events. But the wedge
tent, where we see the front maybe be pitched next to another
wedge with the rounded back facing the other way. I have done
this many times to give me more privacy.
Unfortunately, very little can be determined from this picture.
I have been trying to get his sketches which were more of a field
note before he make his paintings. From what he drew on the
plains, changed when he got to the studio.
Linda Holley
GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote:
> Linda
> ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added
> another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent.
> It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on
> the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture.
> Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will
> see an arrow the will take you to the next page where this
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:11:03 -0500
From: jdearing <jdearing@brick.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet
>One pole tents were common in Rev War..
>it makes sense that alot of gear was carried west
Hmmmm, what type of one pole tent was available during the Rev War?
The only one pole I am aware of was a belle of arms. A small tent just big
enough to
stack arms, but not nearly big enough to sleep in, nor even big enough to
turn around in.
Just barely enough room for a stack of muskets standing upright.
I would like to see any documentation you have for one pole tents, other
than the
belle of arms, in the Rev War period.
J.D.
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Date: 10 Apr 2002 18:58:49 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent?
Having trouble seeing that. Don
On Wednesday, May 28, 1941, Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com> wrote:
> Could be, but it could also be the back end part of the "bell"
>on a French or English wedge tent.
>Linda Holley
>GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote:
>=A0
>We have been talking about this tent on the AMM list and thought this =
share this with you.
>This tent is in the painting Our Camp by Miller have a look and
>see what you think.
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:52:51 EDT
From: Hawkengun@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent?
I think it looks like a four cornered pyramid tent to me--the type that
wasn't "supposed" to have been out west until Francis Parkman brought one out
in the late 1840s. And the one from the A.J. Miller painting looks pretty
tall and wide, too, maybe 10x10 or bigger. We may have a new period tent to
add to the 1830s list of camp equipage.
John R. Sweet
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:57:46 EDT
From: Hawkengun@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent?
I don't think it looks very round, and I believe that it takes a lot of
imagination to see it as "the back end part of the 'bell' on a French or
English wedge tent".... I'm seeing a pyramid ("shephards") tent. Another
long accepted no
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:01:31 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent?
I would have trouble with the 4 corner effect because the painting reflects a
curve in the lighting and not so much a flat surface, if shading looks right. As
an artist, curves are many times pictured as Miller has painted. This is why I
would like to see the field sketches. You really cannot tell much from the
painting details....they are so vague. If anything, it does look like a Bell of
Arms or the end of a bell wedge tent. But these are all opinions. Just haven't
seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period.
Linda Holley
Hawkengun@aol.com wrote:
> I think it looks like a four cornered pyramid tent to me--the type that
> wasn't "supposed" to have been out west until Francis Parkman brought one out
> in the late 1840s. And the one from the A.J. Miller painting looks pretty
> tall and wide, too, maybe 10x10 or bigger. We may have a new period tent to
> add to the 1830s list of camp equipage.
>
> John R. Sweet
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:49:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Branson <d49_mbranson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: One-pole Tent?
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But some are dead and some are gone,
And some are scattered and alone,
And some are in a far countrie,
And some all restlessly at home;
But never more, ah! never we
shall meet to revel and to roam.
This poem is attached to the Miller painting on page 197 of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller"
This painting is titled: Catching Up. The POV is from Mnsieur Proveau's one pole tent on the left side of the painting. The tent definitely looks like a one pole and it looks to be about 9-10 feet tall compared to the men standing around it. There appear to be several mess fires going and the men are driving in the horses to picket them for the night. Check it out.
Michael Branson
Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com> wrote: I did, but the pictures are hazy as is much of his work. If it were a one pole structure, I would say it is a round style rather than the 4 sides shepherds style we see at events. But the wedge tent, where we see the front maybe be pitched next to another wedge with the rounded back facing the other way. I have done this many times to give me more privacy.
Unfortunately, very little can be determined from this picture. I have been trying to get his sketches which were more of a field note before he make his paintings. From what he drew on the plains, changed when he got to the studio.
Linda Holley
GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: Linda
ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture.
Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will see an arrow the will take you to the next page where this picture is.
<P>This poem is attached to the Miller painting on page 197 of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller"
<P>This painting is titled: <U>Catching Up</U>. The POV is from Mnsieur Proveau's one pole tent on the left side of the painting. The tent definitely looks like a one pole and it looks to be about 9-10 feet tall compared to the men standing around it. There appear to be several mess fires going and the men are driving in the horses to picket them for the night. Check it out.
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I did, but the pictures are hazy as is much of his work. If it were a one pole structure, I would say it is a round style rather than the 4 sides shepherds style we see at events. But the wedge tent, where we see the front maybe be pitched next to another wedge with the rounded back facing the other way. I have done this many times to give me more privacy.
<P>Unfortunately, very little can be determined from this picture. I have been trying to get his sketches which were more of a field note before he make his paintings. From what he drew on the plains, changed when he got to the studio.
<P>Linda Holley
<P>GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=-1>Linda</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=-1>ya might want to go back and have another look. I've added another picture that shows "I think" the front of this tent. It's the second picture back it is from the painting Camp on the Prairie. My thanks to Tom Roberts for the picture.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=-1>Click on my album then in the upper right hand corner you will see an arrow the will take you to the next page where this picture is.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=-1><A href="http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462">http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1499462</A></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=-1>see ya in a one pole (G)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=-1>crazy</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:06:25 -0600
From: "Michael Powell" <amm1769@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns
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Capt.,
(Don't mean to be a pot stirrer but FYI)
You know, come to think of it, the big horn sheep horns and mountain goat=
horns were actually used more for bow limbs than for containers. I've s=
een some real pretty bows made from horn, both authentic and repos. I've=
also seen some nice containers made out of antelope horn. The thing to =
remember is that cow horn is more like fingernail/plastic and is more eas=
ily boiled and molded to a shape where buffalo and antelope is hardened h=
air and needs more polishing to get the hair grain from rising. And then=
you need to keep it lightly oiled. I carry a buff powder horn patterned=
after the Miller sketches and love it.
Mike Powell =20
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=20
Yup there you go again Frank. What was said was that a buff horn would mo=
re
likely be used out west than back east. But that is only speculation
considering the pictures and sketches that depict such. Nothing was said
about cow horns not being appropriate. The basic premise being that if on=
e
were portraying back east, then a cow horn would be more common, not that
buffalo didn't exist back east. I personally think it is not any big deal=
as
far as anything but a very persnickety back east juried event would be
concerned. I'm sure Mt men carried both.
I haven't seen many wild goat or mountain sheep horns. Have you? Don't lo=
ok
like they would make very good horns. But I guess if someone wanted to ma=
ke
one it would be a good conversation piece.
Capt. Lahti
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<BR>. If anything, it does look like a Bell of Arms or the end of a bell wedge tent. But these are all opinions. Just haven't
<BR>seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period.
<BR>
<BR>A bell of Arms was much smaller it was made to store Guns in and that is all. This tent is much to large for that. What's that black round spot on the back of that bell of the wedge tent for? Looks like a door to me. This is on the tent from Camp on the Prairie; there is enough details if one wants to see them.
<BR>Sorry boys but I will have to agree on one thing there is enough detail to tell it's round and not flat like a pyramid.
<BR>As for having not seen any good documentation of one pole tents during this early time period. I thought that is what we are doing here is looking at documentation.
<BR>Now I'm not saying that every or any trappers used them, but it seems Stewart had one with him.
<BR>That's the way my stick floats
<BR>Crazy Cyot
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:34:51 -0600
From: "Michael Powell" <amm1769@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Miller Painting
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Crazy,
I'm not sure what Miller book you have, but I did find "Our Camp" in both=
The West of Alfred Jacob Miller (in black and white) and it doesn't show=
the tent in question. However, in the other Miller book Alfred Jacob Mi=
ller: Artist on the Oregon Trail it does show the color version of the on=
e pole of which you speak and I do agree with you on what I see there. T=
he painting entitled "Catching Up" is in both books but is entitled "Attr=
apez des Chevaux" and is plate #29 in Artist on the Oregon Trail. It's n=
ice having both books in order to compare because there are differences a=
nd similarities.
Mike Powell
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