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From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 01 Jul 2003 17:26:31 -0500

This was sent to me by Ron Harris. It's rather long but well worth reading.

Larry Pendleton


Crab cakes, Actors, and Moses himself. ©
(or an Actor's Independence Day wish)
By Will Boroski

Charlton Heston in Texas.

A couple of years ago we were in Texas visiting locations for a film I was
producing and while in Dallas the star of the film, Charlton Heston was with
us.  We were promoting a film and setting up preproduction and Mr. Heston
came with us.  "I love Texas", he said, "Can I bring my wife? I love her too
much to not share Texas with her"!
Something he also loved was CRABCAKES. This particular story happened one
memorable evening. When Mr. Heston (who goes by Chuck) said, "Why don't we
all meet at my hotel because I heard they have the best CRABCAKES in Texas"?
So we did…

…about 12 of us were waiting in the lobby to be called to our table when a
woman with misty eyes walked up and said' "Oh my God, It's Moses himself!
Could I have your autograph?" He replied "of course but I'm not Moses- call
me Chuck".  Well Chuck signed the woman's napkin just in time for us to be
called to our table.  I decided to sit next to him so I could talk and get
to know him better. As we sat down I asked "does that Moses thing happen a
lot?" He smiled and said "yes, often, but it's not a bad thing".
Then I started to think about the woman and the enduring affect that his
role of Moses in the 1956 epic film THE TEN COMMANDMENTS had on her. I
looked at her age and thought I bet she saw it when it came out on screen
AND I bet she hadn't seen it since. To be part of a film that has that kind
of endurance and influence surely is rare
(almost 50 years now) and he was so humble about it.

At that point the waiter came by to take our order and stopped dead in his
tracks and said… "Oh my God you're...uh…You're…uh… Moses!" Chuck softly
replied, "No sir, I am Charlton Heston and we heard you have the greatest
CRABCAKES, is that true?" "Yes Mr. Heston the very best".
"That's all I want" he said "A BIG order of CRABCAKES…"

Charlton Heston is one of America's greatest actors who won his first
Academy Award the year I was born for his role in Ben Hur. I was wondering
when someone was going to come up and say "hey you're Ben Hur", or "Aren't
you the guy from Planet of the Apes"?

Anyway there we were Me, Charlton Heston, and twelve other people who were
quiet and just listening as Chuck talked about Crab cakes. "I like em too" I
said. And he said "What do you like about them?" "They remind me of my Mom's
cooking!" "Me too", he said. And our conversation began for the next two
hours while the others just drifted away on their own conversations.

"My Mom & Dad has passed on" he said. "Yours"? I proceeded to tell him about
my Mom who is still alive (and kicking) and my Dad who died in Vietnam in
1969. And while we sat there he asked me questions about my father and got
me talking like I never had before. (Maybe he was MosesJ)
Anyway I proceeded to tell him…I knew my father well, or as much as a ten
year old boy could. We spent a lot of time on our farm even though he was a
career Army officer.
He had already gone to Vietnam and served a year there before he told me he
was going again. "Going again to Vietnam?" Chuck asked.
He sighed and quietly listened as I told him about my father sitting me down
on a stump on the farm and telling me he was going back to Vietnam and that
he didn't have to go, but "HE" felt he had to. I didn't understand all of
this but I do remember understanding that he was sincere and he wanted me to
know some of his thoughts before he went back to Vietnam.

First was that he loved me, and my Mother and four sisters and he wanted me
to be clear on that. The other was that "He" felt that he needed to do this.
He wanted me to remember something that was obviously very important to him
for his voice lowered and slowed. He said "Son, if something happens to me I
want you to know "I" felt that this was the right thing to do. With all the
information we have today compared to what I am trained to do- "I feel it is
the right thing to do"!

If I don't come back days will pass and opinions will come out about the
war…
There will be people who will say it was wrong, the country was wrong, and
they will say it! And here's my proof son! They've said it after every war
there has ever been.
So remember this son, there is nothing UNIQUE about them, they have been
around forever and it is their right to complain, question, and live in the
freedom we fight to preserve. Now the guys that are in Vietnam right now
"THEY" are unique! They that stand up and defend our country are unique and
most importantly- doing the right thing is Unique. He explained that Unique
means special and rare and gave me his final hug. I remember like in slow
motion that hug, a father's love to his child wrapped up in fear, love, and
an overwhelming calmness. All in slow motion…He left two days later and I
became a war orphan when he died two months later.

…I noticed a tear dropping onto my plate as I "came to" and tried to shake
my emotion. Keeping my head down I felt Chucks hand cover mine and without a
word he started to hug my hand with his. It was very much like the hug in my
story. As I slowly looked up I saw his face calmly looking at me. And as he
smiled it forced the mist in his eye to gather and a tear rolled down his
cheek as he whispered "I wish I could have met your father.
We just sat there for a minute when I asked "Did you do anything UNIQUE
during the Vietnam war?"

"No son I was too old to fight, no one wanted me" he laughed. "But I did
fight in WWII and I did go to Vietnam a couple of times."  "WOW" I blurted
in. As he told me about the late 1960's and early 70's and how he went to
Vietnam "anyway".

"I figured that since I couldn't sing or dance" he said "USO shows were out,
so I came up with a plan. I contacted someone that I knew and made
arrangements to go Vietnam and meet some troops." He went on to tell me an
amazing story of how he would fly into the "battle zones" and hike into the
jungle to the troops and how they were amazed when they would see him. On
one of the first trips into the Vietnam jungles he told me about a young
soldier just sitting there staring as Chuck walked up and before he could
say anything, the young soldier quipped "what do you know, Its Moses
himself".

Chuck found that he loved visiting with the soldiers. He would visit and
tell them about the news back home.  He would tell them that he was there to
give them moral support and let them know how proud he was of them. Could
you imagine being an American soldier in Vietnam getting visits from
Charlton Heston deep in the jungle? What an amazing time and what a story.
But it's not over.
One of the things Chuck did was carry a note pad and write down the names
(and phone numbers back home) of the soldiers he would meet. He would ask
the names of their wives, husbands, mothers or fathers and write down a
message they would want him to deliver when he got back to the states.

He traveled in Vietnam for weeks before returning to his home in California.
He went on to say that he was very excited about getting back to his office
and start calling all the soldiers families that he had met. He admitted
that he was nervous at first because he thought they wouldn't believe that
he was Charlton Heston who had just met her husband (in the first case).
So he picked up the phone and dialed the first one. When he asked for her by
name she seemed nervous, but when he told her all was well and who he was,
she screamed with joy! They stayed on the phone for a long time and Chuck
read her a message from her husband in the jungles of Vietnam. When they
hung up Chuck felt even better about what he was doing but realized that he
couldn't talk that long or he would never get through his list. So on to the
next name and number.

It was the name of a guy he remembered well, and as the phone answered he
asked the woman if she was the wife of this guy. She said yes, and Chuck
cheerfully said this is Charlton Heston and I have a message for you from
your husband… silence… Miss are you there? The woman then spoke- "Is this
some kind of cruel joke or something". Chuck's heart stopped and begged the
woman to believe he really was Charlton Heston, when the woman interrupted
and said, "Mr. Whoever you are, my husband was killed two weeks ago!' Chuck
checked his notes and asked her the date- she told him and it coincided with
the actual day he met him. He spent the rest of the call (and day) talking
and crying with the woman and telling her the love message over and over
again.

Apparently he had spoken with the soldier hours before he was killed. And
Chuck confessed the pain for him was almost unbearable. His heart broke as
he read the soldiers final words to his wife over and over again. But the
woman held on to every word as if to be speaking to her husband from beyond
the grave. When he hung up the phone an entire day had passed. His heart was
broken, his nerves were shot, and he had only called two numbers on the
list.

Sleep was infrequent that night but Chuck awoke the next morning earlier and
started in what became common in those Vietnam days. "Hello this is Charlton
Heston…" He said he thought about not doing it after that first day but
remembered his word he gave to the men he met.
So he planned introductions that would be neutral in case he would be
calling a widow or grieving parent. Nothing worked to prepare him for the
news that he got.
Some of the people actually had to console Chuck as call after call he heard
the news of soldiers that had died in Vietnam.
Not reading about it in the paper, not reading a wall memorial, not even a
telegram. Suddenly the thrill of finding his place in the Vietnam War was
not as romantic as planned. Day after day he continued to call, and some of
the soldiers were even already back in the states, most were not, and many
unfortunately were dead. He spent months calling all the names on the list
and when he was finished with the list. He went back for more. That's right
he went back to Vietnam and made more public appearances in the jungle and
came home with more names to call.

"That's how I spent the Vietnam War", He said. "More crab cakes?" Sure I
said. We sat there silently and ate the most delicious combination of
crabmeat & breadcrumbs in Texas. Then I remembered what started this part of
the conversation. It was when he put his massive hand over mine and in
comfort said, "I wish I could have met your father". And it was then that I
did too. Because he would have had a message for me from my father. Like so
many people that heard it from Chuck in those days. I too would have loved
to hear it.

To carry that burden could only be done by a man with broad shoulders and a
huge heart.
I am sure that God knew what he was doing with Charlton Heston, an actor
with a soothing voice and gentle eyes to carry the messages of soldiers from
heaven. I can only imagine the anxiety and stress this could cause a person.
But he did it. And I don't know many who have done anything so "UNIQUE". But
in a way, that day I got to hear the words of my father though the messages
of others, from Moses himself! J

This story is my memory of an event that changed my view on patriotism. (Yes
I think Charlton Heston is a patriot) I started to think about the current
war in Iraq. And I thought of what it is that I can do. Before I would say,
I'm just an actor, what can I do?

But I do ask this…
If an actor goes to Iraq on the back of his celebrity will he bring back a
message or just a pack of cigarettes? If one makes a documentary on the back
of the evil men do and blame it on the same constitution that soldiers die
for should he win an Academy Award?
And if you protest the war will you do it in a way that causes dissention or
honor?

I am still looking for what I can do and I am taking note of what I
shouldn't do.
I do know one thing though. Sometimes doing nothing is better than what some
people in Hollywood have been doing. If your words or actions undermine our
lives as free Americans then I beg of you to reconsider before your future
is filled with regret from your children, strangers, and more importantly
yourself.

When I am older and my son asks me what I did during the Iraq war… I don't
know what I'll say yet. But I am sure I won't have to deny some of the
things other actors are doing today? I will, however, be able to tell him I
supported our agenda on freedom and that his grandfather did not die in
vain. And I will share with him his Grandfathers last words to me, in a
soothing voice and gentle eyes I will carry the messages of his Grandfather
from heaven.
"…son, if something happens to me I want you to know "I" felt that this was
the right thing to do... There will be people who will say it was wrong,
there is nothing UNIQUE about that… But those that stand up and defend our
country are unique and most importantly remember this- doing the right thing
"is" Unique.

Hey Actors!  What did you do during the war in Iraq, anything Unique?

Happy Independence Day…and Thank you Chuck!

Will Boroski, ©
American Actor
July 4th, 2003




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From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 01 Jul 2003 20:54:51 -0400

Larry, that had absolutely NOTHING to do with BP, Mountain Man, etc.... but
I truly thank you for sharing that with us. As a Viet Nam Vet, I was spit on
when I came home and called baby-killer... He only did it once... <grins>  I
have always admired Charlton Heston... and now more so...

Regards,

Ad Miller


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From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 01 Jul 2003 20:00:25 -0500

Larry, that had absolutely NOTHING to do with BP, Mountain Man, etc....

>> Thanks Ad.  I know it doesn't have anything to do with those things, but
with times the way they are, I thought it was worth sharing.  Besides, them
that don't like it can use the 'delete' button.

Pendleton


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From: "Ben" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 01 Jul 2003 20:53:27 -0700

I fully agree that Charelton Heston was, is, a great actor, a damn fine
president of the NRA, and just plain good man.  Will Boroski sounds like he
fits that mold too.

However, I disagree with Ad that this has nothing to do with MtMen or BP. I
believe that anyone that fights to protect our heritage...or build
it...deserves the utmost respect, and that is what the mountain men did as
they opened the door to expansion, what the 7th Cavalry did fighting the
Indians, and what our armed forces have done every since.

My blood boils when I see our flag burned and spit on.  I have been know
to...on occasion during a parade...nudge some of those that sit on their
asses while the flag goes by, and mention that if they want to live under
the freedoms we enjoy they damn well better respect our flag.

Respectfully, Ben
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 3:26 PM


> This was sent to me by Ron Harris. It's rather long but well worth
reading.
>
> Larry Pendleton
>
>
> Crab cakes, Actors, and Moses himself. ©
> (or an Actor's Independence Day wish)
> By Will Boroski
>
> Charlton Heston in Texas.
>
> A couple of years ago we were in Texas visiting locations for a film I was
> producing and while in Dallas the star of the film, Charlton Heston was
with
> us.  We were promoting a film and setting up preproduction and Mr. Heston
> came with us.  "I love Texas", he said, "Can I bring my wife? I love her
too
> much to not share Texas with her"!
> Something he also loved was CRABCAKES. This particular story happened one
> memorable evening. When Mr. Heston (who goes by Chuck) said, "Why don't we
> all meet at my hotel because I heard they have the best CRABCAKES in
Texas"?
> So we did…
>
> …about 12 of us were waiting in the lobby to be called to our table when a
> woman with misty eyes walked up and said' "Oh my God, It's Moses himself!
> Could I have your autograph?" He replied "of course but I'm not Moses-
call
> me Chuck".  Well Chuck signed the woman's napkin just in time for us to be
> called to our table.  I decided to sit next to him so I could talk and get
> to know him better. As we sat down I asked "does that Moses thing happen a
> lot?" He smiled and said "yes, often, but it's not a bad thing".
> Then I started to think about the woman and the enduring affect that his
> role of Moses in the 1956 epic film THE TEN COMMANDMENTS had on her. I
> looked at her age and thought I bet she saw it when it came out on screen
> AND I bet she hadn't seen it since. To be part of a film that has that
kind
> of endurance and influence surely is rare
> (almost 50 years now) and he was so humble about it.
>
> At that point the waiter came by to take our order and stopped dead in his
> tracks and said… "Oh my God you're...uh…You're…uh… Moses!" Chuck softly
> replied, "No sir, I am Charlton Heston and we heard you have the greatest
> CRABCAKES, is that true?" "Yes Mr. Heston the very best".
> "That's all I want" he said "A BIG order of CRABCAKES…"
>
> Charlton Heston is one of America's greatest actors who won his first
> Academy Award the year I was born for his role in Ben Hur. I was wondering
> when someone was going to come up and say "hey you're Ben Hur", or "Aren't
> you the guy from Planet of the Apes"?
>
> Anyway there we were Me, Charlton Heston, and twelve other people who were
> quiet and just listening as Chuck talked about Crab cakes. "I like em too"
I
> said. And he said "What do you like about them?" "They remind me of my
Mom's
> cooking!" "Me too", he said. And our conversation began for the next two
> hours while the others just drifted away on their own conversations.
>
> "My Mom & Dad has passed on" he said. "Yours"? I proceeded to tell him
about
> my Mom who is still alive (and kicking) and my Dad who died in Vietnam in
> 1969. And while we sat there he asked me questions about my father and got
> me talking like I never had before. (Maybe he was MosesJ)
> Anyway I proceeded to tell him…I knew my father well, or as much as a ten
> year old boy could. We spent a lot of time on our farm even though he was
a
> career Army officer.
> He had already gone to Vietnam and served a year there before he told me
he
> was going again. "Going again to Vietnam?" Chuck asked.
> He sighed and quietly listened as I told him about my father sitting me
down
> on a stump on the farm and telling me he was going back to Vietnam and
that
> he didn't have to go, but "HE" felt he had to. I didn't understand all of
> this but I do remember understanding that he was sincere and he wanted me
to
> know some of his thoughts before he went back to Vietnam.
>
> First was that he loved me, and my Mother and four sisters and he wanted
me
> to be clear on that. The other was that "He" felt that he needed to do
this.
> He wanted me to remember something that was obviously very important to
him
> for his voice lowered and slowed. He said "Son, if something happens to me
I
> want you to know "I" felt that this was the right thing to do. With all
the
> information we have today compared to what I am trained to do- "I feel it
is
> the right thing to do"!
>
> If I don't come back days will pass and opinions will come out about the
> war…
> There will be people who will say it was wrong, the country was wrong, and
> they will say it! And here's my proof son! They've said it after every war
> there has ever been.
> So remember this son, there is nothing UNIQUE about them, they have been
> around forever and it is their right to complain, question, and live in
the
> freedom we fight to preserve. Now the guys that are in Vietnam right now
> "THEY" are unique! They that stand up and defend our country are unique
and
> most importantly- doing the right thing is Unique. He explained that
Unique
> means special and rare and gave me his final hug. I remember like in slow
> motion that hug, a father's love to his child wrapped up in fear, love,
and
> an overwhelming calmness. All in slow motion…He left two days later and I
> became a war orphan when he died two months later.
>
> …I noticed a tear dropping onto my plate as I "came to" and tried to shake
> my emotion. Keeping my head down I felt Chucks hand cover mine and without
a
> word he started to hug my hand with his. It was very much like the hug in
my
> story. As I slowly looked up I saw his face calmly looking at me. And as
he
> smiled it forced the mist in his eye to gather and a tear rolled down his
> cheek as he whispered "I wish I could have met your father.
> We just sat there for a minute when I asked "Did you do anything UNIQUE
> during the Vietnam war?"
>
> "No son I was too old to fight, no one wanted me" he laughed. "But I did
> fight in WWII and I did go to Vietnam a couple of times."  "WOW" I blurted
> in. As he told me about the late 1960's and early 70's and how he went to
> Vietnam "anyway".
>
> "I figured that since I couldn't sing or dance" he said "USO shows were
out,
> so I came up with a plan. I contacted someone that I knew and made
> arrangements to go Vietnam and meet some troops." He went on to tell me an
> amazing story of how he would fly into the "battle zones" and hike into
the
> jungle to the troops and how they were amazed when they would see him. On
> one of the first trips into the Vietnam jungles he told me about a young
> soldier just sitting there staring as Chuck walked up and before he could
> say anything, the young soldier quipped "what do you know, Its Moses
> himself".
>
> Chuck found that he loved visiting with the soldiers. He would visit and
> tell them about the news back home.  He would tell them that he was there
to
> give them moral support and let them know how proud he was of them. Could
> you imagine being an American soldier in Vietnam getting visits from
> Charlton Heston deep in the jungle? What an amazing time and what a story.
> But it's not over.
> One of the things Chuck did was carry a note pad and write down the names
> (and phone numbers back home) of the soldiers he would meet. He would ask
> the names of their wives, husbands, mothers or fathers and write down a
> message they would want him to deliver when he got back to the states.
>
> He traveled in Vietnam for weeks before returning to his home in
California.
> He went on to say that he was very excited about getting back to his
office
> and start calling all the soldiers families that he had met. He admitted
> that he was nervous at first because he thought they wouldn't believe that
> he was Charlton Heston who had just met her husband (in the first case).
> So he picked up the phone and dialed the first one. When he asked for her
by
> name she seemed nervous, but when he told her all was well and who he was,
> she screamed with joy! They stayed on the phone for a long time and Chuck
> read her a message from her husband in the jungles of Vietnam. When they
> hung up Chuck felt even better about what he was doing but realized that
he
> couldn't talk that long or he would never get through his list. So on to
the
> next name and number.
>
> It was the name of a guy he remembered well, and as the phone answered he
> asked the woman if she was the wife of this guy. She said yes, and Chuck
> cheerfully said this is Charlton Heston and I have a message for you from
> your husband… silence… Miss are you there? The woman then spoke- "Is this
> some kind of cruel joke or something". Chuck's heart stopped and begged
the
> woman to believe he really was Charlton Heston, when the woman interrupted
> and said, "Mr. Whoever you are, my husband was killed two weeks ago!'
Chuck
> checked his notes and asked her the date- she told him and it coincided
with
> the actual day he met him. He spent the rest of the call (and day) talking
> and crying with the woman and telling her the love message over and over
> again.
>
> Apparently he had spoken with the soldier hours before he was killed. And
> Chuck confessed the pain for him was almost unbearable. His heart broke as
> he read the soldiers final words to his wife over and over again. But the
> woman held on to every word as if to be speaking to her husband from
beyond
> the grave. When he hung up the phone an entire day had passed. His heart
was
> broken, his nerves were shot, and he had only called two numbers on the
> list.
>
> Sleep was infrequent that night but Chuck awoke the next morning earlier
and
> started in what became common in those Vietnam days. "Hello this is
Charlton
> Heston…" He said he thought about not doing it after that first day but
> remembered his word he gave to the men he met.
> So he planned introductions that would be neutral in case he would be
> calling a widow or grieving parent. Nothing worked to prepare him for the
> news that he got.
> Some of the people actually had to console Chuck as call after call he
heard
> the news of soldiers that had died in Vietnam.
> Not reading about it in the paper, not reading a wall memorial, not even a
> telegram. Suddenly the thrill of finding his place in the Vietnam War was
> not as romantic as planned. Day after day he continued to call, and some
of
> the soldiers were even already back in the states, most were not, and many
> unfortunately were dead. He spent months calling all the names on the list
> and when he was finished with the list. He went back for more. That's
right
> he went back to Vietnam and made more public appearances in the jungle and
> came home with more names to call.
>
> "That's how I spent the Vietnam War", He said. "More crab cakes?" Sure I
> said. We sat there silently and ate the most delicious combination of
> crabmeat & breadcrumbs in Texas. Then I remembered what started this part
of
> the conversation. It was when he put his massive hand over mine and in
> comfort said, "I wish I could have met your father". And it was then that
I
> did too. Because he would have had a message for me from my father. Like
so
> many people that heard it from Chuck in those days. I too would have loved
> to hear it.
>
> To carry that burden could only be done by a man with broad shoulders and
a
> huge heart.
> I am sure that God knew what he was doing with Charlton Heston, an actor
> with a soothing voice and gentle eyes to carry the messages of soldiers
from
> heaven. I can only imagine the anxiety and stress this could cause a
person.
> But he did it. And I don't know many who have done anything so "UNIQUE".
But
> in a way, that day I got to hear the words of my father though the
messages
> of others, from Moses himself! J
>
> This story is my memory of an event that changed my view on patriotism.
(Yes
> I think Charlton Heston is a patriot) I started to think about the current
> war in Iraq. And I thought of what it is that I can do. Before I would
say,
> I'm just an actor, what can I do?
>
> But I do ask this…
> If an actor goes to Iraq on the back of his celebrity will he bring back a
> message or just a pack of cigarettes? If one makes a documentary on the
back
> of the evil men do and blame it on the same constitution that soldiers die
> for should he win an Academy Award?
> And if you protest the war will you do it in a way that causes dissention
or
> honor?
>
> I am still looking for what I can do and I am taking note of what I
> shouldn't do.
> I do know one thing though. Sometimes doing nothing is better than what
some
> people in Hollywood have been doing. If your words or actions undermine
our
> lives as free Americans then I beg of you to reconsider before your future
> is filled with regret from your children, strangers, and more importantly
> yourself.
>
> When I am older and my son asks me what I did during the Iraq war… I don't
> know what I'll say yet. But I am sure I won't have to deny some of the
> things other actors are doing today? I will, however, be able to tell him
I
> supported our agenda on freedom and that his grandfather did not die in
> vain. And I will share with him his Grandfathers last words to me, in a
> soothing voice and gentle eyes I will carry the messages of his
Grandfather
> from heaven.
> "…son, if something happens to me I want you to know "I" felt that this
was
> the right thing to do... There will be people who will say it was wrong,
> there is nothing UNIQUE about that… But those that stand up and defend our
> country are unique and most importantly remember this- doing the right
thing
> "is" Unique.
>
> Hey Actors!  What did you do during the war in Iraq, anything Unique?
>
> Happy Independence Day…and Thank you Chuck!
>
> Will Boroski, ©
> American Actor
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From: Mark Lindquist <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan stuff - looking for recorded sounds
Date: 01 Jul 2003 20:01:58 -0700

Hey guys,

I'm doing a little job for a museum in Great Falls, Montana, telling the
story of Lewis and Clark - as audio only, and narration by Clark - and I'm
looking for authentic recorded sounds - the right rifle shot sound, the
sound of the keelboat, indian voices, that sort of thing.

Do you know of anyone who's recorded stuff at Mountain Men reenactments?  I
have a small budget to buy it too.

Best,

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From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 01 Jul 2003 23:49:13 -0400

Shucks... ya didn't publish all my msg :)  The first part was said
"tongue-in-cheek"... I really enjoyed it and was just yankin yer chain a
bit.... <VBG>...  Just got back from Kohaka, MO fishing for a week with
friends... Feeling ornery... <grins>

Regards,

Ad



> Larry, that had absolutely NOTHING to do with BP, Mountain Man, etc....
>
> >> Thanks Ad.  I know it doesn't have anything to do with those things,
but
> with times the way they are, I thought it was worth sharing.  Besides,
them
> that don't like it can use the 'delete' button.
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From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan stuff - looking for recorded sounds
Date: 01 Jul 2003 23:50:19 -0400

Mark... check www.google.com under "sound effects"... may get something
there if no one has anything...

Regards,

Ad


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From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 01 Jul 2003 23:51:48 -0400

> However, I disagree with Ad that this has nothing to do with MtMen or BP.

Honest... I was just yankin Larrys chain :)  I FULLY agree with you guys....

Regards,

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 02 Jul 2003 10:10:17 -0400

hell ad
you were only about 4 hrs away---you should have routed yourself this way
for some trout fishing and libations and mouse could have hit the
victorian shops---know well she could sell her wears here in this town---

"Hawk"

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From: James and Sue Stone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan stuff - looking for recorded sounds
Date: 02 Jul 2003 20:02:03 -0600

Mark,
I used to listen to a radio program that was a reenactment of the Lewis
and Clark Expedition.  They had some good enough sound effects to fool a
13 year old kid.  But that was about 1964 on the Armed Forces Radio
Network in Germany.  The program was in English, naturally.
James

Mark Lindquist wrote:

>Hey guys,
>
>I'm doing a little job for a museum in Great Falls, Montana, telling the
>story of Lewis and Clark - as audio only, and narration by Clark - and I'm
>looking for authentic recorded sounds - the right rifle shot sound, the
>sound of the keelboat, indian voices, that sort of thing.
>
>Do you know of anyone who's recorded stuff at Mountain Men reenactments?  I
>have a small budget to buy it too.
>
>Best,
>
>Mark Lindquist
>
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From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Crabcakes and Moses Himself
Date: 03 Jul 2003 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT)

I met Chuck Heston myself during the filming of "The
Mountainmen" years ago, as I'm sure others on the list
did too.  He came out to our camp on Father's Day for
an informal shoot and I had Father's Day breakfast
with him when several of us missed our eggs-He
slithered it down with the rest of us and laughed just
as loud as anybody about it.  He then signed a
Father's Day card that I sent to my dad, who had taken
me to see "The Ten Commandments" years earlier. A fine
man indeed!
  To those interested, my grandson Cpl. Wm. Walker,
U.S.M.C., is now safely back in the States after
serving in the Persian Gulf operation.  Thanks to
those who expressed support, Dog, Hiv. 617

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From: "roger lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Crabcakes and Moses Himself
Date: 03 Jul 2003 14:00:21 -0700

Dog,

It's not that hard to recognize a really great man and "Chuck' surely is. No
less so your son. Our thanks to him for his service to us and we are glad he
is home from harms way.

YMOS
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From: "Randal Bublitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Breckenridge Buckskinners
Date: 09 Jul 2003 13:32:52 -0700

Hello friends,       Could anyone tell me who is the current President of
the Breckenridge Buckskinners (Bakersfield area, Ca.) ?
Also an e-mail address? Or, let this person know I would like to contact
him/her.  You may forward my e-mail address: [e-mail]
Thanks in advance, if you can help me out.     Yfab,    Randy 'hardtack'
Bublitz


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them should be able to get you to the Pres.  Take Care,  YFAB,  Ralph

CO-BOOSHWAYS
Paul Tidwell: [phone]
Leroy Rice: [phone]

SEGUNDO:
Jim Jennings: [phone]

PRIZE CHAIRMAN:
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From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Crabcakes, Actors, and Moses Himself
Date: 09 Jul 2003 16:38:27 -0500


Please accept my apologies, but I was moved by the story.  (Here's where you
can delete if you wish)  I guess if I were to chime in, I'd have to say that
I, too met Chuck Heston.  It was sometime in the late 70s when his book "An
Actor's Life" came out.  It was at a book signing in Chicago.  I was a
starving college student at the time and couldn't afford the book.  But I
really wanted to meet him.  This pre-dates his Bill Tyler role that we all
know, and at the time my favorite role of his was Michaelangelo in the
"Agony and the Ecstasy."  I stood around for quite some time taking pictures
of him as each fan walked up to his table and greeted him, all the while
waiting for some goon "doing his job" asked me to leave.  After a while
Chuck noticed me.  He waved and gestured.  I took that as a good sign and
walked on over to shake his hand.  He had a firm but gentle grip.  He is a
big man.  We exchanged pleasantries for a few seconds, while I thought about
the long line that was waiting.  He was very kind and as I parted he gave me
a smile and waved once again.  As I left I thought "He's one of the few who
marched beside Martin Luther King in the early days before it became
fashionable.  He stands for everyone's rights."  One of the biggest names on
the planet, yet he still makes time for the little guy.  That's Chuck
Heston.  I still have the pictures.

HBC



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Curator of History
Museum of Texas Tech University
Box 43191
Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
[e-mail]
806/742-2442  FAX [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Chuck Heston - Gentleman and Patriot
Date: 09 Jul 2003 22:29:33 -0400 (EDT)

Amen, Larry.  Thanks for sharing Bro.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 21 Jul 2003 11:14:10 EDT

Hello the camp
I read in a journal a reference to the use of a skillet but can't remember
where. Does anyone have any references to the use or sale a skillet in the RM
fur trade. My camp mate things I should give up my sheet metal skillet and use
my tin plate instead. The only other cooking utensils we use are a one quart
copper pot a butcher knife and a few green sticks.
 That skillet sure works good fer cookin coffee beans
Thanks
Mark Loader AMM #1849

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From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 21 Jul 2003 10:33:36 -0700

Hello Mark
Sorry for the vague reference, but I recall reading in George Catlin's
journals (1836) that while proceeding down river with two hired voyageurs,
he wandered away from camp to study some striking scenery and allowed his
coffee pot to boil dry, which destroyed it. His engagees were very put out,
as their attempt to make coffee in a skillet was impractical and they had to
do without. Although Catlin was more of a "camper" or traveller rather than
trapper, he must have procured his skillet at a trading post accessible to
trappers. And for that matter, how DID everyone roast their coffee beans?
Best regards
Pat Quilter

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Hello the camp
I read in a journal a reference to the use of a skillet but can't remember
where. Does anyone have any references to the use or sale a skillet in the
RM
fur trade. My camp mate things I should give up my sheet metal skillet and
use
my tin plate instead. The only other cooking utensils we use are a one quart

copper pot a butcher knife and a few green sticks.
 That skillet sure works good fer cookin coffee beans
Thanks
Mark Loader AMM #1849

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 21 Jul 2003 17:38:44 -0600 (MDT)

Hello List,
    Pat,
    I've used my small round belly cast iron pot (the kind with three
little legs) for roasting beans and frying bacon etc... as well as for
boiling water. It can do it all though some things not as well as a
frying pan. Still it works fine for roasting coffee beans, just have
to move them around in there more. If I had to chose just one pot,
that would be the one I'd take.
    It was a real pleasure meeting all of you at the 2003 AMM National
Rendezvous! I met many of the people on this list there and everyone
was extremely nice. Have a nice summer.
       Sincerely,
           beaverboy



> Hello Mark
> Sorry for the vague reference, but I recall reading in George Catlin's
> journals (1836) that while proceeding down river with two hired voyageurs,
> he wandered away from camp to study some striking scenery and allowed his
> coffee pot to boil dry, which destroyed it. His engagees were very put
> out,
> as their attempt to make coffee in a skillet was impractical and they had
> to
> do without. Although Catlin was more of a "camper" or traveller rather
> than
> trapper, he must have procured his skillet at a trading post accessible to
> trappers. And for that matter, how DID everyone roast their coffee beans?
> Best regards
> Pat Quilter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: Skillets
>
>
> Hello the camp
> I read in a journal a reference to the use of a skillet but can't remember
> where. Does anyone have any references to the use or sale a skillet in the
> RM
> fur trade. My camp mate things I should give up my sheet metal skillet and
> use
> my tin plate instead. The only other cooking utensils we use are a one
> quart
>
> copper pot a butcher knife and a few green sticks.
>  That skillet sure works good fer cookin coffee beans
> Thanks
> Mark Loader AMM #1849
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Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 21 Jul 2003 17:38:44 -0600 (MDT)

Hello List,
    Pat,
    I've used my small round belly cast iron pot (the kind with three
little legs) for roasting beans and frying bacon etc... as well as for
boiling water. It can do it all though some things not as well as a
frying pan. Still it works fine for roasting coffee beans, just have
to move them around in there more. If I had to chose just one pot,
that would be the one I'd take.
    It was a real pleasure meeting all of you at the 2003 AMM National
Rendezvous! I met many of the people on this list there and everyone
was extremely nice. Have a nice summer.
       Sincerely,
           beaverboy



> Hello Mark
> Sorry for the vague reference, but I recall reading in George Catlin's
> journals (1836) that while proceeding down river with two hired voyageurs,
> he wandered away from camp to study some striking scenery and allowed his
> coffee pot to boil dry, which destroyed it. His engagees were very put
> out,
> as their attempt to make coffee in a skillet was impractical and they had
> to
> do without. Although Catlin was more of a "camper" or traveller rather
> than
> trapper, he must have procured his skillet at a trading post accessible to
> trappers. And for that matter, how DID everyone roast their coffee beans?
> Best regards
> Pat Quilter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: Skillets
>
>
> Hello the camp
> I read in a journal a reference to the use of a skillet but can't remember
> where. Does anyone have any references to the use or sale a skillet in the
> RM
> fur trade. My camp mate things I should give up my sheet metal skillet and
> use
> my tin plate instead. The only other cooking utensils we use are a one
> quart
>
> copper pot a butcher knife and a few green sticks.
>  That skillet sure works good fer cookin coffee beans
> Thanks
> Mark Loader AMM #1849
>
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From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 02 Aug 2003 22:08:15 -0600


----- Original Message -----

> Hello the camp
> I read in a journal a reference to the use of a skillet but can't remember
> where. Does anyone have any references to the use or sale a skillet in the
RM
> fur trade. My camp mate things I should give up my sheet metal skillet and
use
> my tin plate instead.


My recollection of frying pan documentation was from Ferris:

Chptr XX

On the morning of the 19th several of our men returned from their traps,
bearing the dead body of Frasier, one of our best hunters. . . . . - In the
afternoon we dug his grave with an axe and frying pan, the only implements
we had that could be employed to advantage in this melancholy task, and
prepared for the sad ceremony of committing to the earth the remains of a
comrade . . . .

Reckon they used them to cook with too.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 22 Jul 2003 17:48:10 EDT

Thanks Wynn
I remember reading that now but could not remember which book
Thanks again Mark

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 22 Jul 2003 17:58:25 EDT

Skillet/ frying pan In Life in the Rocky  Mountains By Warren Farris, Old
West Publishing 1983  Chapter XX Page 184
Thanks again
Mark
Any other references

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From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Skillets
Date: 03 Aug 2003 20:44:37 -0600

Hey Mark

Do you reckon that your partner is aware of this quote and figures that you
are getting fed up with him.  He probably calculates that if you aint got a
fry pan to dig with you wont kill him with no way to bury him.   He might be
a lot smarter than you think.

Wynn Ormond

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> I remember reading that now but could not remember which book
> Thanks again Mark
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From: "Wynn Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Vent Holes
Date: 03 Aug 2003 20:44:43 -0600

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From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Update
Date: 25 Jul 2003 15:21:51 -0400

Hi all..

 I just put a few new knives on the site. A dagger and a couple of
scalpers... If you're interested

http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

Thanks and sorry for the cross posts...
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
            DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
       Knives and Iron Accouterments
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From: "Jason Chasse" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update
Date: 25 Jul 2003 21:14:53 -0400

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  Hi all..

   I just put a few new knives on the site. A dagger and a couple of
  scalpers... If you're interested

  http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

  Thanks and sorry for the cross posts...
  D

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  <A title=[e-mail] =
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">Double Edge=20
  Forge</A> </DIV>
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  title=[e-mail]=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2003 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi all..<BR><BR> I just put a few new knives on =
the site.=20
  A dagger and a couple of<BR>scalpers... If you're interested<BR><BR><A =

  =
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From: "Jason Chasse" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tomahawk handles and Howdy
Date: 25 Jul 2003 21:20:06 -0400

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Hi All

My Name is Jason

Dont know if I introduced myself yet so here goes

I am at present a cowboy action shooter and I am goin to my first =
rendezvous in october

For hobbies I shoot guns, work leather and make knives
I also like primitive skills

Question

How do you go about figuring the taper for tomahawk handles
I would like to make my own

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">My Name is Jason</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Dont know if I introduced myself yet =
so here=20
goes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I am at present a cowboy action =
shooter and I=20
am goin to my first rendezvous in october</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">For hobbies I shoot guns, work =
leather and=20
make knives</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I also like primitive =
skills</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
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taper for=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I would like to make my =
own</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update
Date: 25 Jul 2003 20:36:29 -0500

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Whoa, Dennis......looks like a potential new sucker, er, customer.  =
Yeah, that's it CUSTOMER. =20
Jason, you may rest assured that Brother Dennis's work is as good as it =
gets.  I have several of his knives, a fine woodsman's hatchet and a =
variety of other accoutrements, all of which I am proud to own and use.  =
I recommend him without hesitation.  Besides that I hear that he's =
cuddly as a bear cub, a real touchy-feely kind of guy.

Lanney Ratcliff
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jason Chasse=20
  To: [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:14 PM
  Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update


  Look very good=20
  They have the hair of the bear
  Jason
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Double Edge Forge=20
    To: [e-mail] ; [e-mail]=20
    Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:21 PM
    Subject: MtMan-List: Update


    Hi all..

     I just put a few new knives on the site. A dagger and a couple of
    scalpers... If you're interested

    http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

    Thanks and sorry for the cross posts...
    D

       "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
                DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
           Knives and Iron Accouterments
          http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

       "Knowing how is just the beginning."


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CUSTOMER.  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Jason, you may rest assured =
that=20
Brother Dennis's work is as good as it gets.  I have several =
of his=20
knives, a fine woodsman's hatchet and a variety of =
other accoutrements, all=20
of which I am proud to own and use.  I recommend him without=20
hesitation.  Besides that I hear that he's cuddly as a bear cub, a =
real=20
touchy-feely kind of guy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Lanney =
Ratcliff</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV=20
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  <A title=[e-mail] href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">Jason =
Chasse</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[e-mail]=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2003 =
8:14 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: =
Update</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Look very good </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">They have the hair of the =
bear</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Jason</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=[e-mail] =
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">Double Edge=20
    Forge</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[e-mail]=20
    href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A> ; <A=20
    title=[e-mail]=20
    href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A> =
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2003 =
3:21=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: =
Update</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi all..<BR><BR> I just put a few new knives on =
the=20
    site. A dagger and a couple of<BR>scalpers... If you're =
interested<BR><BR><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.bright.net/~deforge1">http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<=
/A><BR><BR>Thanks=20
    and sorry for the cross posts...<BR>D<BR><BR>   "Abair ach =
beagan=20
    is abair gu math=20
    =
e"<BR>            =

    DOUBLE EDGE FORGE<BR>       Knives and =
Iron=20
    Accouterments<BR>      <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.bright.net/~deforge1">http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<=
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From: "Jason Chasse" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update
Date: 25 Jul 2003 21:43:46 -0400

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Well thanks for the recommendation Pard

Even tho I make most of my own gear I have been known to buy other =
peoples stuff as well

Jason
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Lanney Ratcliff=20
  To: History List=20
  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:36 PM
  Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update


  Whoa, Dennis......looks like a potential new sucker, er, customer.  =
Yeah, that's it CUSTOMER. =20
  Jason, you may rest assured that Brother Dennis's work is as good as =
it gets.  I have several of his knives, a fine woodsman's hatchet and a =
variety of other accoutrements, all of which I am proud to own and use.  =
I recommend him without hesitation.  Besides that I hear that he's =
cuddly as a bear cub, a real touchy-feely kind of guy.

  Lanney Ratcliff
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Jason Chasse=20
    To: [e-mail]=20
    Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:14 PM
    Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update


    Look very good=20
    They have the hair of the bear
    Jason
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Double Edge Forge=20
      To: [e-mail] ; [e-mail]=20
      Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:21 PM
      Subject: MtMan-List: Update


      Hi all..

       I just put a few new knives on the site. A dagger and a couple of
      scalpers... If you're interested

      http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

      Thanks and sorry for the cross posts...
      D

         "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
                  DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
             Knives and Iron Accouterments
            http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

         "Knowing how is just the beginning."


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I have=20
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  <A title=[e-mail]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">Lanney Ratcliff</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">History List</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2003 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Jason, you may rest =
assured that=20
  Brother Dennis's work is as good as it gets.  I have several =
of his=20
  knives, a fine woodsman's hatchet and a variety of =
other accoutrements,=20
  all of which I am proud to own and use.  I recommend him without=20
  hesitation.  Besides that I hear that he's cuddly as a bear cub, =
a real=20
  touchy-feely kind of guy.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Lanney =
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    <A title=[e-mail] href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">Jason =
Chasse</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
    title=[e-mail]=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]=
</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2003 =
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    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: =
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Look very good </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">They have the hair of the=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Jason</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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      <A title=[e-mail] =
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">Double Edge=20
      Forge</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[e-mail]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A> ; <A=20
      title=[e-mail]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A> =
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2003 =
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      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: =
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      <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi all..<BR><BR> I just put a few new knives =
on the=20
      site. A dagger and a couple of<BR>scalpers... If you're=20
      interested<BR><BR><A=20
      =
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      and sorry for the cross posts...<BR>D<BR><BR>   "Abair =
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      beagan is abair gu math=20
      =
e"<BR>            =

      DOUBLE EDGE FORGE<BR>       Knives =
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      Accouterments<BR>      <A=20
      =
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update
Date: 25 Jul 2003 21:46:19 -0400

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Hi All

Here is my website
Not very luxurious but it shows some things I have made

Jason
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Not very luxurious but it shows some =
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update
Date: 25 Jul 2003 21:48:46 -0400

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Whoops

http://kid_couteau.tripod.com/
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update


  Hi All

  Here is my website
  Not very luxurious but it shows some things I have made

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Hi All</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Here is my website</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Not very luxurious but it shows =
some things=20
  I have made</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New =
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tomahawk handles and Howdy
Date: 25 Jul 2003 21:56:22 EDT


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In a message dated 7/25/2003 6:21:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> I am at present a cowboy action shooter and I am goin to my first
> rendezvous in october

Welcome Jason!  Be that aforementioned rendezvous in October the Laguna
Mountain doin's?   Barney


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>In a message dated 7/25/2003 6:21:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jchasse@gwi.=
net writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Welcome Jason!  Be that aforementioned rendezvous in October the Laguna=
 Mountain doin's?   Barney<BR>
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From: "Jason Chasse" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tomahawk handles and Howdy
Date: 25 Jul 2003 21:57:53 -0400

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Hi=20

No sorry it is the Ancient ones in Maine
Jason
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  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:56 PM
  Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tomahawk handles and Howdy


  In a message dated 7/25/2003 6:21:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, =
[e-mail] writes:


    I am at present a cowboy action shooter and I am goin to my first =
rendezvous in october


  Welcome Jason!  Be that aforementioned rendezvous in October the =
Laguna Mountain doin's?   Barney


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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">No sorry it is the Ancient ones in=20
Maine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Jason</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[e-mail]=20
  =
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2003 =
9:56 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: =
Tomahawk handles=20
  and Howdy</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
  color=3D#000080 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT"><B>In a message dated =
7/25/2003 6:21:40=20
  PM Pacific Daylight Time, <A =
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A>=20
  writes:<BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
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#c0c0c0"=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SERIF"></B>I am at=20
    present a cowboy action shooter and I am goin to my first rendezvous =
in=20
    october</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0"=20
  face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#000080 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT"><B><BR>Welcome=20
  Jason!  Be that aforementioned rendezvous in October the Laguna =
Mountain=20
  doin's?   =
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From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update
Date: 25 Jul 2003 22:20:45 -0400

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" I recommend him without hesitation." =20

  Brother Lanney...
   Thank you for your recommendation.... Your judgment and tastes are =
impeccable...

  ".Besides that I hear that he's cuddly as a bear cub, a real =
touchy-feely kind of guy."

  >>Uh huh... Pound salt up yer arse Ratcliff... Come to Ky. next month =
and I will show you "cuddly & touchy-feely" you big mule....<GG>

  >>Love,
  Yer Brother
  D

     "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
              DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
         Knives and Iron Accouterments
        http://www.bright.net/~deforge1

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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Brother Lanney...</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> Thank you for your =
recommendation.... Your=20
  judgment and tastes are impeccable...<BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">".<FONT size=3D4>Besides that I hear =
that he's=20
  cuddly as a bear cub, a real touchy-feely kind of guy."</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D4>>>Uh huh... Pound =
salt up yer=20
  arse Ratcliff... Come to Ky. next month and I will show you "cuddly =
&=20
  touchy-feely" you big mule....<GG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT =
size=3D4>>>Love,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=3D4>Yer =
Brother</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">   "Abair ach beagan is =
abair gu math=20
  =
e"<BR>            =

  DOUBLE EDGE FORGE<BR>       Knives and =
Iron=20
  Accouterments<BR>      <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.bright.net/~deforge1">http://www.bright.net/~deforge1<=
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Rapine bag molds
Date: 29 Jul 2003 23:23:15 EDT


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Looking for 2 rapine bag molds either .520 or .530 will pay cash or make
trade.

Frank Sablan
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<BR>
Frank Sablan<BR>
Midland,Texas   <BR>
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From: "Jason Chasse" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rapine bag molds
Date: 30 Jul 2003 06:41:31 -0400

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Hi Pard

I have a .535 LEE RB mold if you are interested

Jason
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; [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:23 PM
  Subject: MtMan-List: Rapine bag molds


  Looking for 2 rapine bag molds either .520 or .530 will pay cash or =
make trade.

  Frank Sablan
  Midland,Texas=20



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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I have a .535 LEE RB mold if you are =

interested</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Jason</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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  =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 29, 2003 =
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  molds</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
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From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Laura Jean.....off topic
Date: 31 Jul 2003 05:35:34 -0500

Today would have been Laura Jean's Glise's 54'th birthday.  She liked Jack
Black so if have any of that (or any other good stuff) you might join me
tonight to hoist a drink to her memory.
Huzzah for Laura Jean!



Lanney Ratcliff
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From: Ronald Schrotter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean.....off topic
Date: 31 Jul 2003 06:03:30 -0700 (PDT)

Will do, Brother. I hope Rebel Yell is okay with you
both. Dog
--- Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
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> Today would have been Laura Jean's Glise's 54'th
> birthday.  She liked Jack
> Black so if have any of that (or any other good
> stuff) you might join me
> tonight to hoist a drink to her memory.
> Huzzah for Laura Jean!
>
>
>
> Lanney Ratcliff
> [e-mail]
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From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Rapine bag molds
Date: 31 Jul 2003 11:32:39 -0500

> Looking for 2 rapine bag molds either .520 or .530 will pay cash or make
> trade.

Frank Sablan
Midland,Texas Rapine bag molds

Frank,

Log Cabin Shop sells Rapine bag molds at about $50 each.  They even had my
.735 for my Bess.

Check them out at 330/948-1082 or logcabinshop.com.  For an extra five bucks
you can snag their latest catalog.

Remember, Old Tascosa (Boys Ranch) Rondy Labor Day weekend.  Contact me for
details.  No camp fees and all the trimmings.

Keep it dry,
HBC

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Rapine bag molds
Date: 01 Aug 2003 00:12:05 EDT


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Henry
thanks for the info, if I cant get used molds I then will order from
Logcabin.  I received my invite for the Cal Farleys doings, but wont be able to attend
this year.


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<BR>
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