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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:07:48 +1000
From: Sterling <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Shirts and cover album

Kevin Lentz wrote:

> My band is going to record a few more songs this summer, and I think I
> could talk them into doing "Security" - someone let me know for sure if
> we're going to do this cover album thing, because I hate to pay for the
> studio time if we're not going to have a use for the song.

Well I'd still like to do it, but since I mentioned it again I've only had two
responses. We'll see...

By the way everyone, I've got dibs on Eurotheme :-)


Sterling



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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 02:43:11 +0200 (EET)
From: Johan Hindstrom INF <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Shirts and cover album

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Sterling wrote:

>
> Well I'd still like to do it, but since I mentioned it again I've only had two
> responses. We'll see...
>
> By the way everyone, I've got dibs on Eurotheme :-)
>

I've allready recorded "I'm in love" so that's about it for that one...
Just tell me where to send it.
I've also recorded "Unsatisfaction"...
Just tell me where to send them!

>
> Sterling
>

       - J.H.


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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:48:40 -0600
From: Kevin Lentz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Shirts and cover album

Well, that's four songs. How about a cover EP?! It'd be better to have
more songs, but hell, let's do it with what we have. I think I have my
guitarist talked into Security. We'll work on it and plan on recording
it this summer, regardless. Is anyone willing/able to do some kind of
cover art for these CDs?
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 05:15:42 -0500
From: "Dave Mattingly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Shirts and cover album

>Is anyone willing/able to do some kind of cover art for these CDs?

I could do that.

Dave Mattingly
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:16:08 -0700
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Men without Hats - Master Test Pressings

Hello Boy and Girls

I am selling my rarest MWH item on e-bay.
You can check it out by clicking on the link below.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=262511305

I think somebody needs to make a parody called "Safety Pants" - Now that
would be cool! :)

- -Richard Holdman



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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:06:10 +1000
From: Sterling <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Cover Songs

Hi all,

In regard to this cover project we keep talking about:

I'm happy to do the mastering.
I'm happy to organize the pressings.
I'm happy to do the artwork.

Questions:

Are we going to get real pressings or are we just going to burn our own?

If we get real pressings, are we all going to put in for the cost?
I'm assuming we'll then sell 'em to the other list members and the
public? - I've got some great industry connections here...

Note: From my side of the globe, I can get 500 pressed for around $2000
(Aus) including full-colour art on the CD and a
four-page booklet (for maybe a bio on each artist). This does not
include the royalty fee we must pay the Hats in advance,
which incidentally is calculated by how many we produce, and not on how
many we actually sell.

I've yet to mention this idea to Stefan, but "hey if you're out there,
perhaps you'll consider signing the album up with your label,
BMP?"

If anyone just has to send something now (although I think it's probably
slightly premature) the address is:

Symmetry Entertainment
10 Whalley Street
Bargara
Queensland 4670
Australia

If you send something on audio CD that's OK. If you want me to clean it
up a bit, try to send it in .AIFF format, with separate
tracks and preferably as a Cubase VST song.

We'll see if we can't get something happening...


Cheers for now,


Sterling



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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:19:47 -0600
From: Kevin Lentz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Cover Songs

Sterling,

That sounds awesome! I guess if we are thinking about putting up that
much dough we should try to get more than 3 contributors, huh? I'm
definitely psyched about this project - LMK if there's anything I can do
to help...
- --=20
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:35:16 -0700
From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hats covers

Hello All,

When the Hats list started talking about doing a cover album (way, way, way
back), I originally volunteered as well.  Then, while trying to do an
acoustic version of "Folk of the 80's" on my 4-track recorder, I realized
that I just suck as a musician (reality bites).  But, I'm still think that
the project would be very exciting and fun to do.  I'd definately buy a
copy.

One thing though.  Stefan apparently still holds copyrights to all MWH
material.   With what little I know about copyright laws, if an artist wants
to do a cover of another artist's material, than permission must be
acquired.  It's not enough to just do the project, and then send the band
royalties.   Permission must be given by the copyright holder before any
recording could be sold to the public.  (I'm sure we all remember the
problem Richard Holdman ran into with the bootleg recordings, and I don't
want a repeat situation.  I'm still a big MWH fan after all)

I just wanted to make sure that this issue was brought out.  Playing the
devils advocate so to say. :)

By the way, speaking of Richard Holdman, it's great to see a Book Of Love
page up and running.  Great job Richard.

TTYL,

Steve




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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:22:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats covers

> With what little I know about copyright laws, if an artist wants to do
> a cover of another artist's material, than permission must be
> acquired.
Actually, covers are dealt with separately.  (Warning: the order might
be off)  You need to:
* Record the cover
* Release the cover
* Contact a specific set of lawyers _informing_ them of it (I can't
  remember who, but there's apparently an agency that deals with just
  this, and only this)
* Pay the certain amount of royalties (9 cents per song per copy sold
  if I remember it correctly, which I may not)

You do _not_ need the permission of the original song writer to do a
cover.

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:48:57 -0500
From: Dave <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats covers

Re Covers,
You need to
a) Record the version without changing the lyrics (if you do then you do need
to get the songwriters permission)

b) Contact the Harry Fox agency and fill out a form

C) They bill you (7. something cents per copy sold).

I think that the songwriter can deny permission. I don't know how it works,
but I remember Frank Sinatra tried to block Sid Viscous from recording My
Way....
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:07:19 PST
From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats covers

).
>
>I think that the songwriter can deny permission. I don't know how it works,
>but I remember Frank Sinatra tried to block Sid Viscous from recording My
>Way....
>-Dave @ Lexiconmagazine.com
>
>
Frank Sinatra didn't write My Way. Paul Anka I think wrote the english
lyrics (David Bowie wrote a different set which where never used). Don't
know who wrote the tune, A French man I think. Anyway he had no right to
block it.

Sid Viscous, nice name !


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:24:22 +0100 (MET)
From: Anders Wahlbom <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats covers

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Alan Pendleton wrote:

> Frank Sinatra didn't write My Way. Paul Anka I think wrote the english=20
> lyrics (David Bowie wrote a different set which where never used). Don't=
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> know who wrote the tune, A French man I think. Anyway he had no right to=
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> block it.

I think it was one Claude Fran=E7ois. At least that's what it says on this
page with the original French lyrics of "Comme D'Habitude":

http://www.mil.lu.se/Carlo/lyrics/dhabitud.html


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:51:46 -0500
From: "Daniele Rossi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) we can suck if we want to :)

> acoustic version of "Folk of the 80's" on my 4-track recorder, I realized
> that I just suck as a musician (reality bites).  But, I'm still think that

Actually....I was on another mailing list for another 80s band where the
fans made a cover tape.  Each participant made a song for the tape.  Most of
the them were certainly NOT musicians nor singers!  But it still sounded
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:11:23 +1000
From: Sterling <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Cover Songs Update

Hi all,

I have been in touch with CMRRA (Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights
Agency Ltd.), which are our Canadian link with production rights to the
Hats music. I expect it will cost us approx. 7 cents per track per CD in
advance in royalties, but I'm waiting confirmation of this figure.

In regard to owner permission:

In most cases the owners have a deal with the publishing organization,
that allows anyone to copy the material. The "Sinatra" stories do
happen, but are by far, the exception to the rule - most artists would
grab at the opportunity to make some extra bucks so don't worry about
it. If Stefan has any special requests I'm sure he'll let us know... :-)

Keep you posted...


Sterling



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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:48:20 -0500
From: Adam J Weitzman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hats covers

This is amazing: I've had this same subject come up on two different
mailing lists in the last two months!

I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice.

In the US you do not need permission to cover a song.  You do need to
either (a) negotiate a license with the copyright owner (in which case,
yes, you'll need their permission), or (b) acquire a "compulsory
mechanical license" from an agency like Harry Fox (for which you do not
need permission).  You might want to negotiate with the publisher if you
want to pay a cheaper rate than the statuatory one that you pay with a
compulsory license, but the statuatory rate is pretty cheap: 7.55 cents
per use for compositions 5 minutes long or less.  So, if you got a
compulsory license, recorded a cover, and made 1000 copies of a CD with
that song on it, you would owe $75.50 to the issuer of the license.

However, it is absolutely imperative that you notify the copyright owner
of your intentions *before* you obtain the license (or within 30 days),
and obtain the license *before* you release the cover, among other
things.  There are *very* strict rules about this, and these are not all
of them, so I would suggest calling an actual lawyer or researching this
further before going ahead with it.

I read about this on three different web pages (I don't know whether any
of them are lawyers or not):
http://www.thefirm.com/articles/mechroyl.html
http://www.aracnet.com/~schornj/index.shtml
http://www.musicuniverse.com/garage/finebusiness/fineprint12.html

They have forms for obtaining licenses here:
http://www.nmpa.org/hfa/mechanical.html

You can see all of the songs Ivan has registered at the BMI web site
(there are a few interesting titles on the list that sound familiar, but
don't sound the same :-):
http://bmi.com/repertoire/writer.asp?WriterID=93734&WriterName=DOROSCHUK+IVAN

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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:19:33 +0200 (EET)
From: Johan Hindstrom INF <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Keep it up!

I'm so happy that some of you actually are in the position to
and/or have the energy to research all these copyright matters.
These kind of projects usually fizzle at this stage.
By keeping this up there WILL BE A RECORD!
Keep the faith and above all... make music!

              - J.H.



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