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hats-digest           Sunday, July 11 1999           Volume 02 : Number 140




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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:48:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) MP3 CD's

Mr. Holdman,

     I've been meaning to get in touch with you about the MP3 CD but I lost
the original letter weeks ago. (I even lost your e-mail (sorry, list).)

Thanks,
- --Nikolai


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:42:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re: Rhythm of Youth on cd

where can i get Rhythm of Youth on cd? i thought it was released on cd . can
anyone help?
thanks


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:40:47 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Anders Wahlbom <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: New 80's Compilation...

Very interesting. I don't know if Tracy Howe is on this list (probably
not); if he's not I'll forward this to him and ask him to comment.
Incredibly nice guy, great at keeping in touch with his fans.

> RATIONAL YOUTH
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Forgotten facts about this Montreal band include: (1) Ivan from Men
> Without Hats was Rational Youth's singer for a period.  He quit after
> someone threw a beer bottle at him during a show at the St. Denis
> Theatre in Montreal. (2) To make matters a little more confusing, leader
> Tracey Howe was once a member of Men Without Hats.  He left in 1981, two
> years before they hit it big with "Safety Dance". (3) Howe had a knack
> of choosing names that were already taken.  Before Rational Youth, he was
> in Heaven Seventeen (not to be confused with Heaven 17, the British Band)

Of course, you all know from which movie it's taken, and also that the
Sheffield H17 started in 1981... (FYI, there were two British Heaven 17;
the lesser-known band tried (unsuccessfully) to sue Gregory/Marsh/Ware,
if my memory is not at fault.)

> and The Normals (not The Normal, Daniel Miller's alter-ego).  "Rational
> Youth" was a derivative of National Youth Orchestra. (4) "Saturdays In
> Silesia" was inspired by the famous Lech Walesa-led strike at the Gdamsk
> Shipyard.  And (5) the last Rational Youth show was at Dalhousie
> University in Halifax in November 1985.

Which isn't 100% right... The last RY show I know of was at Tivoli in
Helsingborg, Sweden on 1 August 1998; can't remember if they went to
Germany after that. There are three photos from that show at
www.rationalyouth.com, taken by Your Humble Narrator... They're a nice
live band; see them if you have the opportunity. If you haven't heard them
there's a bunch of songs on www.mp3.com, put there by the band themselves.
Their newest single, "Everything Is Vapour", was released about a month
ago...

Later (probably much later, seeing as this is the first time in - what, 18
months? - that I've posted to this list),
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:15:12 -0400
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Montreal

Hi everyone!

The list is quiet again so here are some off-topic and on-topic ramblings....

I just got back from a trip to Ottawa, Quebec City, Tadoussac, and
Montreal.  Tadoussac is a small town perfect for whale watching.  Highly
recommened!

Montreal was great and I even had the chance to meet Francis and Vince
Silvaggio (no, Ivan did not show up).  They are very nice people. I picked
up a CD by a Quebecois band called "Swing" (fiddles, dance music, and
french rap including a song called "Life is a vasectomy").  I noticed on
the CD that the label is Tox records.  I thought "Cool, Ivan's label"  Then
Francis told me Ivan doesn't own it anymore :D

I also picked up Mitsou's new CD (Francis and Vince are grimacing right
now!).  She's the one who sang with Ivan.  Um....not to my taste so if
anyone here wants it, let me know.

I was watching the videotape of Ivan's soundcheck last summer, and I
noticed they were using his album.  Did they lipsync?  Also, does anyone
have the transcription to the chat with Ivan two years ago?  I'd love to
read it again.



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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:20:48 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Anders Wahlbom <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: hats-digest V2 #139 (fwd)

Oook!

I've been in touch with Tracy Howe, and he had this to say:

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Well, this Hats thing is quite inaccurate. And of course EMI never
understood anything about us so it's not surprising. Please post this to
that group.

First the chronology, and the suggestion that I "had a knack of choosing
names that were already taken":

The Normals were a punk band in 1977-78 that I was the drummer in and
the group Heaven Seventeen existed in Montreal from 1978 to 1980. The
name originates with the film "A Clockwork Orange": In one scene the
main character goes into a record shop which has an imaginary Top Ten
chart on the wall. One of the imaginary groups' names is Heaven
Seventeen. We, and the English band Heaven 17, both stole the name from
the same source - but we stole it first!

Ivan was NEVER a member of Rational Youth, but for a brief period was a
member of Heaven Seventeen and the concert mentioned with the beer
bottle was a Heaven Seventeen gig in early 1980 (we were opening for
XTC).

I joined Men Without Hats in late 1980 and left in the summer of 1981 to
start Rational Youth.

The rest is fairly accurate.

Best regards
Tracy Howe

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That's all, folks...

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:29:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) SD chords and more

For Kevin and all Guitarists W/out hats,
I have a basic transcription of "the Safety Dance" at my MWH guitar chords
page.  It's hard to emulate the keyboard part, but if you play around with
G, F and E notes on the 1st/high E string while playing a C chord it
works.  Also, I think I mistyped the "Interlude" part which should follow
the "Bridge" pattern of F Bb Ab C (I switched the Ab and Bb).
Good luck and let me know if it works and when we can hear you!

Has anyone else tried out the music?  Please let me know! (Because
"Everybody Wants to Know"...)  :)

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyce/music/mwh.html
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyce/music/mwh/roy/safetydance.crd

hats off to you,
Chris Frey
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:33:20 -0700
From: "Aaron Gitlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Interesting concept...

I'm assuming most of us have heard Fear Factory's cover of "Cars" by Gary
Neuman.  I am an avid fan of heavy metal music...most of my friends don't
understand how I can love Hats and Megadeth equally.  At any rate, I would
like to see someone cover the "Safety Dance" with similar results.  I
honestly think it has the postential to sound awesome.   Who else feels the
same?





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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:38:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Interesting concept...

the german prog-metal band Gamma Ray covers It's A Sin by the Pet Shop Boys
on their new album.
dan
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In a message dated 7/10/99 4:32:31 AM !!!First Boot!!!, [e-mail]
writes:
<< I'm assuming most of us have heard Fear Factory's cover of "Cars" by Gary
 Neuman.  I am an avid fan of heavy metal music...most of my friends don't
 understand how I can love Hats and Megadeth equally.  At any rate, I would
 like to see someone cover the "Safety Dance" with similar results.  I
honestly think it has the postential to sound awesome.   Who else feels the
same?  >>


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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:58:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Interesting concept...

in fact, metal band Helloweem has two new wave covers on their upcoming
covers cd:

1.) "Lay Your Love On Me" (by Abba)
2.) "Space Oddity" (by David Bowie)
3.) "Out of nowhere" by Faith No More
4.) "Locomotive Breath" (Jethro Tull)
5.) "He's a Woman She's a Man" (by the Scorpions)
6.) "All My Loving" (by the Beatles)
7.) "Hocus Pocus" (by the band Focus)
8.) "White Room" (by Cream)
9.) "Faith Healer" (by Alex Harvey)
10.) "Rat Bat Blue" (by Deep Purple)
11.) "Juggernaut" (by Frank Marino)

dan


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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:56:55 -0500
From: Kevin Lentz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE: Interesting concept

Hi,

Thanks to everyone who has sent me info on chords! What I'm trying to
talk my fellow band members into doing is a punk version of Safety
Dance. I've always been firmly convinced that most of the songs on
Rhythm of Youth and Folk of the 80s have a significant punk influence,
and as much as I love the synth sound, I've always wanted to try some of
the songs with distorted guitars (Living in China, Messiahs Die Young,
Ideas for Walls, Safety Dance).

Unfortunately, the other guys in my band are a bit younger than me, and
would rather do covers of Teen Spirit and Faith. That's all good and
well, but... I thought I had them talked into doing Safety Dance. We
messed around with it for a while, and they decided I suck and don't get
to pick any more songs. Well, not really. But I think Safety Dance is
out for the time being. We're supposed to do some demos later this
summer, so I'll keep trying. If anything comes out of it, I'll let y'all
know.

Oh, and Aaron - I dig on Megadeth a whole lot too! Peace Sells, So Far,
and Holy Wars have to be among the absolute coolest albums ever!
- --=20
Kevin Lentz (ICQ 10812890)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 99 18:33:50 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Interesting concept...

>Gary Neuman
i'm sure Gary won't mind you spelling his name wrong - its "Numan" btw.

my dance/industrial album is nearing completion & I'm wondering which MWH
track to cover...

}:-)

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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:47:39 -0400
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) remixes are fun!

>understand how I can love Hats and Megadeth equally.  At any rate, I would
>like to see someone cover the "Safety Dance" with similar results.  I
>honestly think it has the postential to sound awesome.   Who else feels the
>same?


I can picture a heavy metal version of it.  Then again, I can picture an
industrial version of "Dancing Queen".  Can anyone picture a synth (a-la
Folk of the 80s 1-3) version of "Sideways"?

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>my dance/industrial album is nearing completion & I'm wondering which MWH
>track to cover...

I say "Modern(e) Dancing" because I can picture it being industrial/dance.
With all those bleeps and bips, why not? :)  The song can go from it's
normal speed to faster and faster....hm....almost to a rave speed
like...well, modern dancing! :D  Sorry.



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