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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:14:43 -0600
From: "Moody, Danny M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Help? For the Language Impaired

On Friday, 06 February 1998 09:43, [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
wrote:
> There is a neat little translator at=20
> http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate =20
> that can do English to French/Italian/German/Portugese and =
vice-versa.
>   I,
> being mono-lingual, don't have any idea how well it works, but it =
sure
is
> kind
> of fun!

This is a fun toy, but not much else.  The translations are quite
atrocious, and often times outright wrong.  Still, it is a good insight
into the problems of machine-translation.

> Heres what it came up with for PGTW:
>=20
> Le bruit va le monde, par des chapeaux d'Men Without que 1. bruit
d'Intro
> 2.
> va le monde 3. du c=F4t=E9 intelligent de mardi 4. du soleil 5. O =
millions
de
> 6.
> uniques s'=E9garent 7. le vrai monde 8. Moonbeam 9. au nom des anges =
10.
> La
> Valese d'Eugenie 11. La bourrique a port=E9 la promenade du noir 12, =
sur
> l'eau
> 13, l'extr=E9mit=E9 du monde=20

Running this back through the French->English translator, it comes out
as:

The noise goes the world, by caps of Men Without that 1. noise of Intro
2. goes world 3. intelligent side of Tuesday 4. sun 5. O million 6.
single are mislaid 7. true world 8. Moonbeam 9. in the name of angels
10. Valese d' Eugenie 11. The she-ass carried the walk of black 12, on
water 13, the end of the world=20

Not *quite* what went in, but most of the problem seems to have been
with the original English->French conversions, especially 'La =
bourrique'
for Jenny...

ObMWH:  My favorite three are:
    1. I Know Their Names
    2. Living In China
    3. Security

Call me a heretic...

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:24:35 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The she-ass carried the walk of black

Y'all de howdy!

(The English-to-French translator taught me that!)

Myke


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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:33:32 +0000
From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) music to go nuts by...

Hi Hatters!

The first time I ever heard "You and Me," I just sat there listening
with tears rolling silently down my cheeks.  I think it's a very
powerful song.

Also, the first time I heard the clip from "Open Your Eyes," I got
all goose-bumpy.

CUL8R!!

Remember to order your Tshirts!

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:34:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) I need MWH Video Material

In a message dated 98-02-05 16:05:55 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  I want to make a CD with boots 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 (When 4,6,7
>  come out ) converted to mp3 and a few MWH videos. After I get it done
>  I plan on making it available to the list. You will have to use your
>  computer and play back the mp3s and the video clips.
>
>  Anyway the problem is I dont have any MWH videos. Anybody still out
>  that wants to make me a copy of some video material? I will pay for
>  whatever the costs are, or is you want I can mail it back to you
>  after I make myself a copy.
>
>  These videos will also be available on the MWH Archive at
>  http://www.holdman.com/mwh
>
>  -Richard Holdman
>  "Excuse me sir, can you tell me how to get to the real world"
>
>
hmmm...i'm still trying to figure out how to get ahold of the jenny wore
black/white and *i THINK!* o sole mio videos...there were FOUR songs featured
on the PGTW video EP...and only two of them made it onto the fan-based
video......SOMEBODY has GOT to have this video tape!!?!?
i will not rest till i find this!
*btw, where IS wagner when a valkerie REALLY NEEDS him!!?!*
Charlotte


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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:45:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Help? For the Language Impaired

In a message dated 98-02-06 11:49:41 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Le bruit va le monde, par des chapeaux d'Men Without que 1. bruit d'Intro 2.
>  va le monde 3. du c⌠tΘ intelligent de mardi 4. du soleil 5. O millions de
6.
>  uniques s'Θgarent 7. le vrai monde 8. Moonbeam 9. au nom des anges 10. La
>  Valese d'Eugenie 11. La bourrique a portΘ la promenade du noir 12, sur
l'eau
>  13, l'extrΘmitΘ du monde
>
something about cats eating turnips:/
*???*


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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 13:46:47 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Official MWH Videos?

I was unaware that any of the Mirror Wall Hall videos had ever been
released commercially.  What beyond this elusive PGTW video EP is there?

Myke


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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:47:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Help? For the Language Impaired

In a message dated 98-02-06 12:16:36 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> The noise goes the world, by caps of Men Without that 1. noise of Intro
>  2. goes world 3. intelligent side of Tuesday 4. sun 5. O million 6.
>  single are mislaid 7. true world 8. Moonbeam 9. in the name of angels
>  10. Valese d' Eugenie 11. The she-ass carried the walk of black 12, on
>  water 13, the end of the world
>
i like THIS one better:)
especially track #11


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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:42:11 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Another BBC recording?

I was looking at this week's Goldmine magazine and found a listing of a BBC
radio show (concert) called "BBC Rock Hour".  I wonder if it is the same as
the other BBC record.  This one has Big Country, Eurythmics, and Culture
Club.  Actually, now that I think of it, I wonder if this is a live record. :)

If you want to buy it, I can list the vendor (I never dealt with them so I
don't know if they rip people off or if they give great service):

David Tyson
208 Barshay Drive
Summerville, SC
29483  USA

phone [phone]
fax [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]
$4 postage
oh yes, the album costs $20


A little favour to ask the European members...can anyone help me find a copy
of a concert video by Spandau Ballet?  It's called "Over Britain".  I saw a
listing of it in "Goldmine" as a laserdisc but I assume it is also available
on video cassette.  I can purchase PAL tapes because my VCR plays both PAL
and NTSC.

Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:46:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) m w h

M:  Men for the Mirror- the woman who when he looks through her eyes at
himself, he sees how he is.

W:  Without Walls - the barriers around our minds, hearts and souls that stop
us from being who we truly are inside. placed there by our parents, our peers,
society in general, and our own hidden fears and insecurities. ("it's long,
it's hard- we hit our heads against the walls")

H:  Hats are Halls: Hallways are narrow closed-in methods of perceiving what
is presented to us- a narrow viewpoint, an extremely limited method of
interpreting love and reality.  Hats of course are the rings around our
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:37:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) does anyone know?

does anyone perchance know Ivan's birthdate?


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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 20:59:17 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) BBC recording

>I was looking at this week's Goldmine magazine and found a listing of a BBC
>radio show (concert) called "BBC Rock Hour".  I wonder if it is the same as
>the other BBC record.  This one has Big Country, Eurythmics, and Culture
>Club.  Actually, now that I think of it, I wonder if this is a live
>record. :)
this is one of the boots I just mastered - I think its no 4!!!

}:-)
Mike



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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:16:58 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's Birthday

Both Ivan and Sean Ono Lennon were born on the same day - but in
different years, obviously.

Myke


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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 20:59:19 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) End of the world

>I understand your reasons why you would think "End of the World" is
>the best ever album-ending song, but I would have to say I think it's
>tied with "A Day In The Life".  Maybe Ivan would be proud to know that
>a song of his is in such good company!
>
>Myke
well ppl, you aint heard my album yet!!!  Its due out in the summer so
listen out for the last track - it might make you all smile!!!!!

}:-)
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:30:50 +0000
From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) does anyone know?

Hi Hatters!

> does anyone perchance know Ivan's birthdate?

October 9, 1957 (since he said in December 1997 at the chat that he's
40).

Claude, is the year in the FAQ?  Or just the month and day?

:-) L8R, T8Rs!

;-) Laura



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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:39:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Official MWH Videos?

In a message dated 98-02-06 13:49:36 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  I was unaware that any of the Mirror Wall Hall videos had ever been
>  released commercially.  What beyond this elusive PGTW video EP is there?
>
>  Myke
>
okie...my next trip to Virgin MS, i will look this up in their computer *i've
done it before, which is how i found listings for all the video tracks and the
distributor *Music Shack*, as well as the sad fact that it is out of print:/
we shall soon find out the truth...
ttyl,
Charlotte :)


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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:43:25 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Official MWH Videos?

Thanks Charlotte!  Get to the bottom of this for us!

Myke


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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:31:19 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Music Awards




> Congratluations to Ivan for his recent nomination as "Best New Solo Artist"
> in the CHR catagory (Contemporary Hit Radio) at the upcoming Canadian Radio
> Music Awards for "Open Your Eyes".



Does anybody know when this awards night is?

Collin



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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:11:58 -0800
From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Much Spotlight

Did anyone record the Spotlight on Men Without Hats on Much Music
Thursday Feb.5/98? Apparently they aired most or all of their videos.

Kerry Gordon - Toronto
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:08:18 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Official MWH Videos?

> Nice.
> I was laughing when I read this.

Good!  I was hoping somebody would see the humour.

> Do you know how many people have no clue what you're talking about...

No.  Um, 42?  :-)

(The Great Ones Know.)

Myke


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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:11:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Official MWH Videos?

In a message dated 98-02-06 23:45:01 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  Thanks Charlotte!  Get to the bottom of this for us!
>
>  Myke
>
>
in the words of Troy McClure:  "It's the part I was born to play, baby!"

ttyl,
Charlotte


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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:31:55 -0800
From: Kerry Gordon 1-4 The Vine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Much Spotlight

I couldn't find MWH or Ivan listed in the Much Music Spotlight for
February but my wife told me that our son was watching MWH's videos when
he was home from school sick on Thursday Feb. 5th. Our son knows the
band because Ivan used to play him when he was a baby and he calls him
"Uncle Ivan" but, we haven't seen him in years.
I didn't see anything on the list about this. I assumed it was Much
Music but, maybe not. My son said they had interviews with Ivan and
played his videos. Maybe he was a guest on a talk show?

Kerry Gordon - Toronto
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:36:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Official MWH Videos?

In a message dated 98-02-07 18:49:31 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  if you guys are talking about the p.g.t.w. cd-video i have it and the songs
> are
>
>  pop goes the world (video)
>  pop goes the world
>  jenny wore black
>  end of the world
>  lose my way. but not in that order.
>
>  dale
>
>
???
is this an enhanced cd?
what i am referring to is an actual VHS videotape...:/
ttyl,
Charlotte

p.s: the tracks featured sound about right, though....i will check my store's
computer and find out once and for all...*unless i can find the copy i made
for myself when i originally found it to being with...d'OH!!?!*


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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:36:36 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Much Spotlight

>band because Ivan used to play him when he was a baby and he calls him
>"Uncle Ivan" but, we haven't seen him in years.

That's an interesting piece of info! :)  He used to sing to your son, how
sweet. Did he use a synthesizer?  ;)

>I didn't see anything on the list about this. I assumed it was Much
>Music but, maybe not. My son said they had interviews with Ivan and
>played his videos. Maybe he was a guest on a talk show?

That is interesting.  Maybe he was in the studio before or after the
spotlight talking about his solo career.

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:36:34 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Much Spotlight

>Did anyone record the Spotlight on Men Without Hats on Much Music
>Thursday Feb.5/98? Apparently they aired most or all of their videos.


AAAAUUUGGGGHHHH!!! And just the day before that I made a mental note to
check MuchMusic's site to see their schedule for upcoming spotlights!

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 01:46:00 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Achoo?

Has anybody else noticed that Ivan seems to sneeze at the very end
of "Jenny Wore Black" during the Le Spectrum concert video?  I was
watching it tonight and just happened to notice that he raises his
hand and ducks downward just before the lights go out.  Man, I thought,
that would have really sucked if he'd had to sneeze while the camera
was right on him.  It's hard to tell exactly what happened but if it
was a sneeze he sure concealed it well.

This isn't something really important.  I just noticed and wondered
about it.

Myke


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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:50:22 -0800
From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) NEbody out there?

Well, the list is awfully quiet recently...
NEway, I was curious about one  thing...What nationality is Ivans last name?
Catch ya latez!


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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:16:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) NEbody out there?

In a message dated 98-02-08 01:54:16 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Well, the list is awfully quiet recently...
>  NEway, I was curious about one  thing...What nationality is Ivans last
name?
>  Catch ya latez!
>
i'd say either french, german, or slavic......but i'm no linguist expert:/
anyone else care to take a stab?
ttyl
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:59:14 -0800
From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) NEbody out there?

a good friend of mine looked at the name today, and said it was most likely
Cossak or Polish.  Another member of the list said it might be Ukrainian.  I
guess I answered my own question.  Catch ya all latez.


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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:25:50 -0500
From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's nationality

Hey, fellow Hatters!

I'm 99% sure that Ivan's ancestors are Ukrainian.  From the Ukraine.

Til next time,
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:04:14 +0000
From: Ralph Deiterding <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Looking for Si!

Sorry to bother the list with this but...

I'm looking for Si Wooldridge!!   I've sent three mail messages to you
and they keep getting bounced back to me!! What's up??

Send me an e-mail!!

Ralph


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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:38:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Shireman <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

        Ukranian?  That sounds right.  Polish, that doesn't sound
right.  German... definately not, Ukaranian... that sounds right.

Nathan




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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 17:04:32 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hat with Lars???

Is Lars from Norway still on this list???  If he is and is reading
this...  "hello!  I've found that rare Yazoo BBC recording - the full
version!!  Mail me direct".  To the rest of you please ignore - unless
you want a copy of the Yazoo BBC recording if the '82 gig - bootlegs r
us!  :)


Mike, your London correspondent...

PS any Kissing The Pink/Fiat Lux  fans out there??



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