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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re:  hats-digest V2 #183
Date: 01 Apr 2000 18:17:47 EST


OK Help! I finally thought I was going to get a copy of Rhythm of Youth on cd
from sam's cd but they are out of stock and havent replied in a while. Do you
know any other online canadian stores i can finally get a copy of this
elusive cd?

Thanks
Kirk


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where do the boys go Music Video
Date: 12 Apr 2000 13:27:12 -0600


This mailing list is dead.

Anyway MTV2 is done playing their A-Z thing. Before they finished they
happened to play "Where do the Boys Go". As always I grabbed this video and
have it up on my web server for a limited time.

To see the video go to http://www.softcom.net/users/holdman/video.html

Please read the Disclaimer before you download this video.

BTW I was talking trash about how MTV2 did not play safety dance. I thought
it would be in the the S section (you know, safety dance) but they played it
in the T section - Thats right it was "The Safety Dance" :)

Later and out

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From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Where do the boys go Music Video
Date: 12 Apr 2000 13:15:45 -0700 (PDT)


..but certainly remembered!

once again, many thanks!

I am still amazed by the $$$ that MWH items get on ebay, eg. the PGTW
CDsingle w/remix.

AND here's a thought on Napster, et.al: if the music is good, I still
want an original CD, not a CD->mp3->CD conversion.  Why not give away
the downloads to expose the music?  I probably wouldn't have looked
twice at the new Stan Ridgway disc, except that you can sample online..

Jim


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Subject: (hats) something...
Date: 12 Apr 2000 13:25:55 -0700 (PDT)




A friend told me an amusing couple of stories about things that have
happened while wearing his official Hats List T-shirt-


1.

A guy is staring at his shirt for  at least a couple of minutes before he
finally gets the nerve to come up to him:

" No BUTLERS? What do you have against Butlers?"


2.

A young girl in the class he was teaching said

"No 80's music. Good- I hate 80's music."

Needless to say she did NOT get an A.


Dave

Yes this list is dead.


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From: "Dave Mattingly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Shirts
Date: 12 Apr 2000 13:37:05 PDT


>things that have happened while wearing his official Hats List T-shirt

My mother once saw my shirt and asked me what I was protesting.

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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) something...
Date: 12 Apr 2000 16:39:42 -0400


> things that have
> happened while wearing official Hats List T-shirt-

I keep getting people asking me if I'm a lesbian ("no men") - bet
*that* doesn't happen to most of the people on the list!!

:-) Laura in NC
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) when wearing my hats shirt
Date: 12 Apr 2000 18:18:30 EDT


I don't have a shirt from  the list...but i do have one that's yellow with just the logo on it.

i was in montreal...and one guy came up to me and told me he knew Jeremy Arrobas and that he had hung out with him in the early 80's...he was shocked i knew who he was.

-collin


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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) "MWH" Shirts
Date: 13 Apr 2000 01:36:50 -0600


I don't have a MWH shirt either.  I wish I did.  I was hoping that Stefan
would be selling MWH shirts via his web page, as I seem to remember that he
was planning to do so, but as while recently checking his MWH Official Web
Page I didn't see any mention of this. (by the way, Stefan, if you do plan
on selling t-shirts, how about offering a few XXL sizes for fat-asses such
as myself).

However, I do have the MWH logo for my computer's wall paper at work.  I've
used the Neon-blue and red logo that is now on the MWH Official site and
tiled it across my screen.  It's amazing how many people come up and ask me
where I got it from.  A lot of people come up and ask me about the band and
whether or nor they are still together.

As to this mailing list being dead...yeah, probably it is a bit...but I'm
sure it will take off again when the new compilation cd that Stefan and Ivan
are putting out is available.  It seems that there just hasn't been a lot to
talk about lately.

I found it ironic that Richard stated "this list is dead" in his last
message, as I was thinking the same thing myself recently.  I had recently
joined a mailing list for another of my favorite bands, The Alarm.  I'm
getting about 20 messages a day from that list, most of which are talking
about the upcoming release of a box set by The Alarm.  And, even though The
Alarm broke up quite some time ago, Twist, the drummer from the band still
contributes his thoughts to the list.  Also, Dave Sharp's wife, Erin,
contributes her thoughts to the list.  So...there is info from those who are
close to "whats happening" with the band and with the solo projects of those
who used to be in the band.

During the time I've been on this list, there hasn't been much heard from
anybody who has any official ties to the MWH gang besides the infamous
bootleg incident and the subsequent comments from Stefan.  A comment here or
there from Stefan or Ivan about upcoming MWH news, or even side project news
would generate a lot of discussion, I'm sure.  In fact, I've been wondering
what happened to the pop music project that Ivan was working on called
"Ultimate Pop Machine".  I saw it on a web page once, and then the web site
was shut down.

Well...I've blabbed on enough for now.

Take Care,

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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats Ts
Date: 13 Apr 2000 09:57:50 -0400


Hi folk of the 80s!

I still have some of the Ts from last time - not everyone who said
they wanted one coughed up the $$ when they were done.  I did
have a waiting list, so I will check through that and see who is still
around, then I will re-inventory what I have left.

Stay tuned - look for your name if you had asked for a T previously.
 I don't have time to do this right now, but I will get to it soon...

:-) Laura in NC
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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) This List Is Dead
Date: 13 Apr 2000 10:46:48 -0400 (EDT)


Thank you, Stefan.

Myke


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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) "no men"
Date: 13 Apr 2000 10:48:55 -0400 (EDT)


My wife calls them "anti-man" shirts - which is quite alright with me
as long as it doesn't cause me to do away with myself in the process!

Myke


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From: Johan Hindstrom INF <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) COVERS!
Date: 13 Apr 2000 17:55:23 +0300 (EET DST)



What's the status on the coverproject?

Where do we send our sounds?


      - J.H.



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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Men without Hats - Hats
Date: 17 Apr 2000 10:54:22 -0600


I was thinking of getting some baseball style Hats made with the Men without
Hats Logo on it. I think it would be pretty cool and kind of an odd thing to
do! :)

Would anybody else be intrested in such a thing? Would it be better just to
have the Logo or Have the logo and the words "Men without Hats" right above
the logo?

You know you all want one! ;)

-Richard



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From: Kevin Lentz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Men without Hats - Hats (and misc.)
Date: 17 Apr 2000 17:57:36 -0500


That would be awesome! What colors were you thinking about? I would
think a black cap with a yellow/ red logo would look really tight. I
would go for the logo without the name, but whatever.

I REALLY want a shirt, if anyone is up for that.

Glacid premiered our version of Security at a gig two weekends ago.
Seemed to go pretty well. We still hope to record it sometime this
summer.

I've been meaning to ask... are there any other list members in Texas?
Just curious. Talk to y'all later!
--=20
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From: "Matt McCarthy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hatless hats
Date: 17 Apr 2000 21:26:07 -0500


I do not like regular baseball caps as they are too stiff and as the old
wives tale indicates they cause baldness. However I have seen a hat that was
sorta a cross between a painters cap and a bike riders hat.

It has a drawstring in the back with a bead for adjustment. It is
reversible. The bill/visor is a soft foam material that keeps its shape. It
would be quite inexpensive I believe.     It would also be most easy to make
the top (which is a circle!) in yellow and put the logo there large and
proud and the entire outer edge of about 3" is then open for more logos or
whatever.    Mine also has a 'label' attached to the drawstring that is
embroidered with a saying.   Like perhaps 'We can dance' or something else
short.   I may take this one (it is  many years old and all black) and have
the logo airbrushed on the top.

I am much more interested in getting a MWH shirt. The website hinted at
shirts on the way but I want one for summer (NOW) so I may need to see an
airbrusher for my first one.
 I think if others of you want a shirt or three it would be beneficial to
say so on here and someone ,on the list, who has experience in making
extremely EXCELLENT creations may be swayed into providing more or perhaps
passing the recipe to a list member who owns a Tshirts plus store.
LOL!    Yes I can spell
g r o v e l i n g and b e g g i n g.

Greetings to any/all band members who may still be with us.     A hello
would be great.

'Is everybody confused? I'm making no sense at all'
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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Men without Hats - Hats
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:52:35 +0200 (CEST)


> I was thinking of getting some baseball style Hats made with the Men
> without Hats Logo on it. I think it would be pretty cool and kind of
> an odd thing to do! :)

First time I wore my hats-T was the day when I went and bought a straw
hat, a really good, expensive one, and walked around in town for the rest
of that day wearing both, the hat and the shirt...


> Would anybody else be intrested in such a thing?

Yes, I would be. Just take care that the visor is large to protect the
face from the sun.


> Would it be better just to have the Logo or Have the logo and the
> words "Men without Hats" right above the logo?

Well, that's a tough one. Maybe better _with_ "Men Without Hats" above or
below thw logo, to make the point clear, as there seems to be a lot of
confusion about the standalone logo.  ;-)
Also, I'd prefer a light base colour. Beige would suit me best.
Just my Opinion!!

Just take care that Stefan doesn't get you for using the name/logo.  :-/


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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Men without Hats - Hats
Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:37:04 +0200 (CEST)


On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Harding Jeff wrote:

> JUST the logo on the front...and 'Men Without Hats' (small) arched
> across the back of the cap....

Nope, want to see the confused faces!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Hi!  New member (again)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:25:48 EDT


Hi,

I just signed up again since cancelling a couple of years ago.  What has been
going on since then??  I hear there have been many more cd's done since i
left.  I think that there were only 3 or so at the time.  Please let me know
how i can obtain these and what they are.  Thanx!!!

Pete


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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Men without Hats - Hats
Date: 18 Apr 2000 13:10:39 -0400


Richard said,

> Would anybody else be intrested in such a thing? Would it be better just to
> have the Logo or Have the logo and the words "Men without Hats" right above
> the logo?

Count me in for just the logo.  At least if people have to ask what it
means, we have a hope of bringing them to the light!  ;-)

I agree with the person who said not a "real" baseball-type cap.  I
personally don't have to worry about the male pattern baldness
issue, but I just look like a dork in a cap with such a high dome.
There is another style of baseball cap with a very soft, rounded
dome, I think it is much like the painters/bikers cap someone else
described.  They are soft cotton, and could even be embroidered
with the logo instead of a silk screen.

I will try to work on the T-shirt thing over Easter - there is actually a
dog show in town this weekend so I don't have to drive forever...

:-) Laura in NC
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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pete
Date: 18 Apr 2000 13:12:57 -0400 (EDT)


> I hear there have been many more cd's done since i left.
> I think that there were only 3 or so at the time.
> Please let me know how i can obtain these and what they are.

Stefan threatened to sue at least one list member for distributing the
CDs - for which the count had risen to, I think, 10.  Since then there
hasn't been anything of note to discuss about Stefan, Ivan, or MWH
in general.  We were all a happy bunch of devoted fans until that
happened.  Now we just sit around waiting for Stefan to make good on
his implied effort to properly and legally distribute similar materials
to people on the list and/or the public at large.  So far nothing's
happened in that regard.  The list has died.  I would have unsubscribed
but the traffic is so low now the fact that I'm still subscribed is
barely noticeable to me.

> Thanx!!!

to Stefan...

Myke


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From: The Moonshine Man <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Pete
Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:36:39 -0600


on 18.04.2000 11:12 Uhr, Lord Hasenpfeffer at [e-mail] wrote:

> Stefan threatened to sue at least one list member for distributing the
> CDs - for which the count had risen to, I think, 10.  Since then there
> hasn't been anything of note to discuss about Stefan, Ivan, or MWH
> in general.  We were all a happy bunch of devoted fans until that
> happened.  Now we just sit around waiting for Stefan to make good on
> his implied effort to properly and legally distribute similar materials
> to people on the list and/or the public at large.  So far nothing's
> happened in that regard.  The list has died.  I would have unsubscribed
> but the traffic is so low now the fact that I'm still subscribed is
> barely noticeable to me.
yeah, this list has definitly died out.  i actually did forget i was
subscribed for a while...

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From: "Walker, Keith (Imprimis)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) FW: Re: Hats hats and new member and Texas
Date: 18 Apr 2000 13:44:20 -0500



> I, too, would like a little update on what's happened the past couple 'a
> years. . . I left back when the "By Demand" show was still being planned.
> Don't know if that ever happened, but I'd like to know.  I think the ides
> of 'Hats hats is a fun one.  I would think that a light color with the
> logo on front would be best.  If we wanted to have something embroidered
> on the back as well, I would suggest a song lyric or title ("Ban the Game"
> might be good -- it would really confuse the uninitiated) instead of the
> band name -- that way we could still get those funny looks!  And, yes, I'm
> in Texas, but it's an awfully big state . . .
>
> Keith A. Walker
> EDS SIP Administration
> phone [phone]
> fax [phone]
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From: Christoper Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) top ten reasons to be women and men without hats
Date: 18 Apr 2000 17:25:37 -0400 (EDT)


Hey you mad hatters:

I think this string of MWH T-shirts stories is great.
So far we've got:

1.  A guy is staring at his shirt for  at least a couple of minutes
    before he finally gets the nerve to come up to him:
    "No BUTLERS? What do you have against Butlers?"

2.  A young girl in the class he was teaching said
    "No 80's music. Good- I hate 80's music."
    Needless to say she did NOT get an A.
      --Dave

3.  My mother once saw my shirt and asked me what I was protesting.
      --Dave Mattingly

4.  I keep getting people asking me if I'm a lesbian ("no men") - bet
    *that* doesn't happen to most of the people on the list!!
      --Laura in NC

5.  My wife calls them "anti-man" shirts - which is quite alright with me
    as long as it doesn't cause me to do away with myself in the process!
      --Myke

Can anyone think of anything else to protest, or any "-isms" it could
stand for?

--a quebecois revolutionary movement called "les sans-chapeaux"
  (loosely based on the ideas of the sans-coullottes, ca. 1789)

--a sign of millenary discrimination against English gentlemen:
  "no bowler hats"

--a catchy logo for new-wave editions of Washinton Irving's "The Legend of
  Sleepy Hollow"  (no heads)

hatlessly,
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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Hats
Date: 18 Apr 2000 19:31:34 -0600


Richard...

I think the idea of a MWH baseball cap is cool.  I used to have a MWH
baseball cap actually.  A radio station had printed a bunch of hats with
their radio logo plus the MWH logo in the middle of the cap and given them
away for free at a local show here in SLC, UTAH when MWH was the supporting
band for Icehouse.  The hats were white with the MWH logo in red.  But...I
like the idea that Kevin mentioned of a black hat with the yellow and red
MWH logo on it.  I'd also love to get a shirt eventually.

Anyways, Richard, If you do decide to make hats you can count me in on
purchasing one.

Let me know the details if it pans out.

Take Care,

Steve Sundstrom





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH Hats
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:53:14 EDT


Hey, men! (And women, of course ;)

    You mentioned MWH hats... "Men Without Hats"... hats??
    Would that then make us "With Hats"?

    Sounds like a strange change, but I'd have something to wear with my
shirt : )

-- Nick P in CT


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From: "Steve Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) OT: Off Topic
Date: 18 Apr 2000 08:59:39 -0400


Sorry for the interruption.

I've created a mailing list for the band, "Dream Academy."

You can sign up here if you're interested:
mailto:[e-mail]

Thanks,

Steve Jackson
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From: "Dave Mattingly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH Hats
Date: 20 Apr 2000 07:48:48 PDT


I guess if the hats got produced and then didn't sell, they'd be...

Hats Without Men


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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH Hats
Date: 20 Apr 2000 10:58:21 -0400


Dave said
> I guess if the hats got produced and then didn't sell, they'd be...
>
> Hats Without Men

<GROAN> I guess Dave has declared O-*PUN* season on the list!

;-) Laura in NC
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From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Test message
Date: 21 Apr 2000 10:34:56 -0500


This is just a test

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From: Fixit <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hello
Date: 21 Apr 2000 14:30:12 -0500


Hi All!

It's been awhile since I've writing on this list. I guess CD are now out =
of the
question for everyone? I know in the past there were offers for the Video=
s of MWH
as well as CD but I have not seen or heard of them anymore.

I thought being on this list was to keep the MWH alive and well. What is =
this
about Ivan saying he will sue?? When did this happen?

I met some really nice people on this list and I hope things change (for =
the
better).

Fran=E7ois Blawat
USA



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Subject: (hats) Oh yeah, did that MWH fan show ever happen?
Date: 21 Apr 2000 15:50:45 EDT


I remember awhile ago that there was supposed to be a show that was only
going to be open for the people on the mailing list.  Did this ever happen
and how was it if so??

Pete


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Subject: Re: (hats) Hello
Date: 21 Apr 2000 17:36:16 -0400 (EDT)


> I guess CD are now out of the question for everyone?

Pretty much.

> I thought being on this list was to keep the MWH alive and well.

It used to be.

> What's this about Ivan saying he will sue??  When did this happen?

Ivan didn't threaten anyone.  Stefan did.  Last year.

> i hope things change for the better.

Well, Stefan's been alluding to some projects but so far nothing's
turned up.

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Subject: Re: (hats) Oh yeah, did that MWH fan show ever happen?
Date: 21 Apr 2000 17:48:17 -0400 (EDT)


Nope.  It didn't happen.

That really put a damper on things here on the list for a long time
afterwards, then the legal threats came and everything kinda came to
a screeching halt.

I've never seen a more devoted and enthusiastic group of people
working harder for no profit to support a group.  We didn't deserve
to be attacked.  Ivan is on video autographing the CDs produced
by the members of this list - smiling all the while and apparently
pleased to have his own copies as well.  Then two years later his
brother threatens legal action because of what was going on.

When there's nothing left to do there's nothing left to say

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From: "Greg Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Oh yeah, did that MWH fan show ever happen?
Date: 21 Apr 2000 15:21:34 -0700


you know, that in itself almost sounds like a MWH lyric. :)

-gts/uwiz

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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 22 Apr 2000 01:18:20 -0600


Okay,

I mentioned recently that I've joined another mailing list for a band from
the 80's called "The Alarm".   Well, there's been a discussion going on in
that list about which album, and which songs from "The Alarm" mean the most
to the subscribers of the list.  And, even though it's probably been done
already on this list, I thought it would be a good topic of conversation
since things have died down here a bit lately (which has in itself been a
topic of conversation......very sad).

Anyway, I love all the MWH songs, but the one that I think I love and relate
to the most is "Things In My Life".

"Well I think that I'm in Scotland
& and I'm walking through the forest in the rain
I wonder if I'll fall in love again"

By the way....does anybody have any idea how many people subscribe to this
list?  I know Stefan used to be on it, how about Ivan?  I've never read
anything from Ivan, or any of the other MWH family.

Well...take care and have a great holiday weekend!

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From: Kevin Lentz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 22 Apr 2000 08:35:29 -0500


Steve,

Good question - when I joined the list last fall, that's kinda what I
expected the discussion would be, but that was about the time as the
whole bootleg thing happened, and so I haven't seen much discussion of
the music at all.

Favorite album: Can I count the 2-for-1? If not, then I guess I'll be
typical and say ROY.

Favorite/ most meaningful song: I've always liked "Security." It's very
simple, but lyrically it's awesome, and structurally it has a good build
to it.

I look forward to seeing what everyone else thinks.
--=20
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From: "Dave Mattingly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 22 Apr 2000 10:18:29 -0400


>which album, and which songs mean the most to the subscribers of the list.

For me, Folk of the '80s (Part III) is the album that most impacted my life.
It's a very thoughtful and philosophical album, and at the time it was
released, I was going through a mental awakening as a teenager, discovering
who I truly was inside. That album helped me to lay out my own path.

The most meaningful song for me is probably the title track, "Folk of the
'80s." Besides stretching my mental and spiritual muscles, I was also
expirimenting with different looks at the time.

     "Don't grow a beard; they'll call you a hippie."
     "Don't cut your hair; they'll call you a hippie."
     "Don't cut your beard; they'll call you a hippie."

It helped me to realize that others wouldn't understand me no matter how I
looked, unless I looked exactly like them (which leads to a lyric from
another song... can anyone guess which one?), so I just was myself, and
didn't worry about the opinions of others. After all, "Others cry; why
should I?"


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 22 Apr 2000 16:13:31 +0100


>>which album, and which songs mean the most to the subscribers of the list.
i think mine'd have to be RoY.  i was wanting to get seriously into
synths at the time and this album showed me another avenue to explore.
here in the UK we'd got people like Depeche Mode, Yazoo, The Human league
(around for years b4) plus other ground-breaking bands all doing really
decent music (though THL by this time were past their best) and along
came quite a quirkly little album from acorss the water full of amazingly
catchy 3 minute pop songs.  we only really had TSD in the charts here but
i followed the bands career from that day onwards - something that all my
friends though was a bit crazy - but i now have a big studio and they
don't, so maybe i was right?!  they aren't my favourite all-time band,
that'd have to be Vince Clarks in all his many projects (depeche, yazoo,
the assembley & erasure) but they must be in my top 10 at least.

anyways, maybe first impressions do make the biggest mark.  RoY marked me.

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From: "Daniele Rossi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) List revival techniques
Date: 22 Apr 2000 12:24:04 -0400


Hello peoples with no hats but wear 'em anyway becuase we can dance if we
want to,

(Ok so that wasn't very funny) Yes, this list died in a big way.  I don't
reember it being caused by Stefan's outburst about the bootlegs.  The list
was very, very quiet way before then.  And since then, it peaked a little
once in a while.  I think the problem at hand is no oen has anything to say
:)  Or maybe, the majority of users don't have the same amount of time to
read and write e-mail as before.  I'm like that.... :(

So, onto some of the topics discussed so far...

I've never consciously thought of which songs meant the most to me....but I
think the entire Pop Goes The world album stands out in this respect.  The
songs provide a very vivid image in my mind when I listen to them.  "O Sole
Mio", although most likely having nothing to do with the song's meaning,
gives me the impression of not being able to tell someone what you want to
say.  And Ivan's voice sounds very majestic so it makes it feel that he's
trying his best to get his message across but just can't do it.  Ok, so he's
singing about the environment....:)  As for the CDs, I have no fear in
saying I'm sure there are a few on this list happy enough to make cds for
those who don't have any.  It happens on all mailing lists and between
fellow fans off the Internet.  I don't mean to knock Stefan but since this
is the age of the mp3 and double-deck tape recorders, and cheaper
easier-to-use CD recording software/hardware...there's nothing any lawyer
can really do.  No one stopped Napster yet.... So we can't askoffer CDs
publicly on the list.  There's always private e-mail :)  Maybe that's why
the list has been quiet! :D

The show that almost happened...well, it would have been a nice experience
if this happened.  Not only seeing MWH in concert, or even just Ivan, but
also meeting so many people from this list for the first time, plus seeing
Montreal for the first time (it would have been my first time there), and I
remember an opening act would have been some members of the list jamming.
Well...why not for the record release party of the cover cd? ;)

A new topic suggestion: Which song would you like remixed?  And how? :)
Right now from the top of my head I can picture, obviously, "O Sole Mio" as
well as "I Sing Last/Not For Tears", and "Walk On Water".  A fast remix.
I'm sure there'd be lots more I'd love to remix but I can't think of any
actually.  "Walk On Water" can be sound like the Pet Shop Boys' "Paninaro"
remix done by Tin Tin Out.  Hm...not a bad idea...a remix project...not by
us though, the amount of money that was listed for sampling is too much for
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From: "Matt McCarthy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) It would be awesome... but alas!
Date: 22 Apr 2000 13:31:38 -0500


The show that almost happened...well, it would have been a nice experience
if this happened.  Not only seeing MWH in concert, or even just Ivan, but
also meeting so many people from this list for the first time, plus seeing
Montreal for the first time (it would have been my first time there), and I
remember an opening act would have been some members of the list jamming.
Well...why not for the record release party of the cover cd? ;)

Yes Daniele.....
It would be an awesome thing to have a LIVE concert, Men Without Hats, with
several opening acts of artists covering M w/o H material, followed by our
own list member artists doing the same. And in the Canadian park, near the
US border, where this venue was taking place on a beautiful 2 day summer
weekend we will have the new cover CD's readily available for sale along
with all of the Men w/o Hats released CDs. And making its debut Stefan will
have a little 'Winnebago' jam packed with the newest compilation for sale
also.      Ivan will also be with and he will have created a most astounding
graphic Tshirt!
 A couple of list members will also provide the initial Men Without Hats hat
which rivals Ivans graphics.
It will be a 2 day event to rival almost anything you can imagine. We find
out that the M w/o H list members can throw one %@*& of a party/show.

I could probably find a park, anyone else able to provide any pieces of our
gig?
 Book early space is filling up.

PS: Yes the bootlegs would be at this event too, but they would only be
discreetly available to list members.

MMM



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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Most Meaningfull song/album.....
Date: 22 Apr 2000 14:35:05 -0600


Daniele Rossi wrote:

"I've never consciously thought of which songs meant the most to me....but I
think the entire Pop Goes The world album stands out in this respect.  The
songs provide a very vivid image in my mind when I listen to them.  "O Sole
Mio", although most likely having nothing to do with the song's meaning,"

I have to agree with ya Daniele, I think that Pop Goes The World is the best
single album that MWH put together, although Folk Of The Eighties and ROY
will always be close to my heart.  But....Pop Goes The World flows together
so well and the songs are just amazing:  Jenny Wore Black, Walk On Water,
The Real World, O Sole Mio, On Tuesday, The End Of The World......  they are
all perfect.   In fact, I used to just lie in bed with the lights off and
crank up this album and put on the headphones and lose myself in the world
of Pop Goes The World (kinda dorky, but I was always kind of a nerd in
highschool).

Least favorite album:  "Sideways", although there are tracks on this album
that I think are very good including the title track.

It's been cool seeing what some of the people have said about which
songs/albums were most meaningfull to them.

As far as the "Show That Never Happened", hmmmm....I don't think I was on
the list at the time.  I would've loved to have a chance to see MWH again
(I've mentioned before that I saw them as the supporting act for
"Icehouse").  Mabey we'll have a chance to see a show like that again
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From: Don Stroud 2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 22 Apr 2000 16:36:18 -0700


"Stephen D. Sundstrom" wrote:
>
> Okay,
>
> I mentioned recently that I've joined another mailing list for a band from
> the 80's called "The Alarm".   Well, there's been a discussion going on in
> that list about which album, and which songs from "The Alarm" mean the most
> to the subscribers of the list.  And, even though it's probably been done
> already on this list, I thought it would be a good topic of conversation
> since things have died down here a bit lately (which has in itself been a
> topic of conversation......very sad).
>
For me, the most meaningful song is "Bright Side Of The Sun", the
reasons for this being too painful for me to go into.

I just hope that the scenario painted in that brief song comes
true for me one day.

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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 22 Apr 2000 22:26:23 -0400 (EDT)


Treblinka

(but where can you get that these days?)

Myke


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Subject: Re: (hats) List revival techniques
Date: 22 Apr 2000 22:35:49 -0400 (EDT)


Remix Project:

Winnebago Song

Myke


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From: "Aaron Gitlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 23 Apr 2000 00:22:59 -0700


I'd have to say my most meaningufl song would have to be "Things In My
Life".  We all have a song that just "fits" with us.  That's mine -=)

Best album - RoY - hands down
And I agree Stephen S., Sideways was a good album, but I didn't liek it as a
MWH album...most bands change their style over time - I just didn;t like
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From: Johan Hindstrom INF <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 24 Apr 2000 02:46:57 +0300 (EET DST)



Ok... I've got TWO most meaningful songs. They'll just have to
share the damn trophy, ok?!
The winners are:

"O Sole Mio" for the "everytime I try to say the words..." and
"I'm expecting someone's love to come and hit me blindside" bits.

"In the name of Angels" for the "Johnny loves Jenny" part and also for
the girl voice-over/Ivan vocals trade-off.

--------

Close runner up:

"I'm in Love" for the whole feeling of the lyrics.. I think about this
kid standing in the middle of the hallway sensing all this giddy
energy building up in all parts of the house, and also the highly
open-minded lyrics "let the young boys dance in twos",
"I'm in love with the boys and girls" etc.
WOW!

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A note about "Sideways".
All you people who don't like it: Listen again!
Choice tracks: "In the Meadow" and "Love all over the World"!
Pure Hats stuff!

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Did you know:

Ivan has collaborated on the VOIVOD albums "Angel Rat" and "Negatron".

Also:

Voivod's drummer Away (Michel Langevin) playd all drums on the
album "Sideways".

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From: Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Most meaningfull MWH song
Date: 23 Apr 2000 22:07:02 -0400 (EDT)


> A note about "Sideways".
> All you people who don't like it: Listen again!
Personally, Sideways is my second favourite album.  Follows behind PGTW,
if only because PGTW was the first music cassette that I ever bought on my
own.

> Also:
> Voivod's drummer Away (Michel Langevin) playd all drums on the
> album "Sideways".
Don't forget:
  Jon Kastner played a whole slew of guitar on that particular album (and
  showed up in the video, singing along with the chorus, and playing lots
  of guitar) and regularily played with the Doughboys at the time.  Who,
  by the way, put out a _fantastic_ album about that time called 'Crush'.

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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Jonely in America :)
Date: 24 Apr 2000 11:55:25 -0400 (EDT)


> Hey Myke!

Hey Russ!

I was wondering if you'd come back with a reply like that or not!

:)

Myke


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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: MWH Hats
Date: 25 Apr 2000 08:42:28 +0200 (CEST)


> Sounds like a strange change, but I'd have something to wear with my
> shirt : )

I think, although this is only my own, personal, and very humble opinion,
you should also consider wearing a pair of trousers with your shirt.

;-)


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) shirts
Date: 25 Apr 2000 11:34:56 +0100


>I think, although this is only my own, personal, and very humble opinion,
>you should also consider wearing a pair of trousers with your shirt.
when i go out i always wear my 4 shirts at the same time...  this means
that i can wear them for 4 days before washing by alternating which one
is in the inside...

cool huh?




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From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) who are all you people? ;)
Date: 25 Apr 2000 16:46:44 -0500


Hi Hatters,
I'm Angie,  I just resubscribed to the list after a year-long hiatus.
I see you are still discussing the fan show that never happened.
Francis and Vince and I worked hard on that --sorry it didn't work
out, maybe someday......anyway, does anyone know of a website I can
visit that might include bios of current list-members? I think the
membership has changed somewhat since I was last on, and I would like
to know who is still here and who is new!  If there is no such
website, I wonder if you could reply to this message just to say "hi"
because I would like to meet you!  I already know that Claude and
Myke and "Moose" are still here, how about Laura and Alain and Simon
and Francis etc.?

Hope to hear from you!

Angie

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Subject: Re: (hats) who are all you people? ;)
Date: 25 Apr 2000 17:37:19 -0600 (MDT)


On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Angela Tooley wrote:

>
> Hi Hatters,
> I'm Angie,  I just resubscribed to the list after a year-long hiatus.
> I see you are still discussing the fan show that never happened.
> Francis and Vince and I worked hard on that --sorry it didn't work
> out, maybe someday......anyway, does anyone know of a website I can
> visit that might include bios of current list-members? I think the
> membership has changed somewhat since I was last on, and I would like
> to know who is still here and who is new!  If there is no such
> website, I wonder if you could reply to this message just to say "hi"
> because I would like to meet you!  I already know that Claude and
> Myke and "Moose" are still here, how about Laura and Alain and Simon
> and Francis etc.?
>
hey, i'm still here too.  although i never actually really reply to much
of anything.  i dont' even remember the original discussion of that
concert, but i am sure i was on the list.  i know i was here when that
whole bootleg thing crashed and burned...my own personal website listed
below, but doesn't have much on it about anyone, except my own complaining
and stuff.  oh well..

http://www.nmt.edu/~flameboy


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Nastalgia just isn't what it used to be.

I have seen the truth, and it makes no sense.

Some people claim that there is a woman to blame, but i know it's my own
damn fault. - Jimmy Buffett, "Margaritaville"

I've heard it said that math is the universal language. I've also
heard people say music is the universal language. But my vote goes to
hardcore pornography. - Andrew Hicks, "A Fifth Year"

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From: "Michael Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) who are all you people? ;)
Date: 25 Apr 2000 16:21:12 -0500



Good idea -- as someone new to the list (new enough to miss out on all of
the special cds & the aftermath), it's a good place to start and try to
liven up the list a bit.

Actually, most of my biography is on my web site.  Pop Goes the World has
been one of my favorite albums since it came out.  (I was 16 when it came
out in 1987)  As such, there are many meaningful songs are tied up on that
whole album -- it was one of the albums that was key as I was going through
that critical "growing up" stage.   I currently live in suburban
Minneapolis, Minnesota, where I'm a computer programmer.  MWH is very much a
studio band for me -- I never saw them live; nor really ever considered it,
for some reason.

Michael Lee
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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD-Rs...
Date: 26 Apr 2000 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT)


> I know that there are no "new" fan cd's being produced but what about
> cdr's for those who didn't manage to get the originals?

Stefan is in charge of all that now.

Myke


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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE:  Who Are All You People
Date: 26 Apr 2000 01:00:05 -0600


Hi Angela,

I joined the MWH Mailing list approximately a year and a half ago.  I heard
about it through a nice chap named Richard Holdman who was handling the MWH
Bootleg CD distribution, which caused quite a bit of controversy after
Stefan decided to threaten legal action if Richard continued distributing
these cds.

 I've been a MWH fan for as long as I can remember.  I saw MWH live in my
hometown of Salt Lake City, Utah when they were the opening band for
Icehouse on the Icehouse "Man Of Colours" tour.    MWH put on an awesome
live show, one that I will always remember.

I'm not sure what was supposed to have happened with the "show that didn't
happen" as I don't remember anything about that...so I probably joined the
list shortly after that particular incident.

I don't know why you were wanting info on the people who are on the list at
this time, but I've wondered the same thing myself.  Mabey somebody on the
list (I'd do it if no one else wants to) would like to gather data on the
people on the list and post it on the web somewhere, mabey starting a
website called "Men Without Hats Fan Club" or something like that.  I run a
web site for another of my favorite bands, The Boomtown Rats (located at
http://www.boomtownrats.com) and could easily spare enough room to have a
page set up for this purpose.  Mabey something that would list members by
geographical location, e-mail address, and possibly list some of the members
other hobbies.  I don't know, just an idea.

It's good to see ya back on the list.

See Ya,

Steve Sundstrom






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From: "Steve Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) who are all you people? ;)
Date: 26 Apr 2000 07:25:53 -0400


Steve Jackson here.

I've been on this list for I don't remember how long.  I definitely
remember the "Private Concert" discussions.  I remember when a bunch
of people road-tripped up to Canada to see Ivan in concert.  I
remember when Dr. Laura just went by Laura.  ;-)

No, I don't write much, but I enjoy all that goes on here.  Except the
flame wars.  But, then, who enjoys those, anyway?

Thankfully, there have been no flame wars recently.

I remember that someone on this list maintained a web site that had
people's information and pictures, but it was taken down so that it
could move to the "Official" Men Without Hats web site.  I just
checked the official site (http://www.mpgang.com/mwh.html), and
there's still no sign of the bio information.  But I wasn't expecting
it, either.

Whoever it was that used to maintain the bio page (if you're still on
the list), would you please delete my picture?  It's probably about 20
years old now, anyway!  :-)

Take care, everybody!  I'm looking forward to "reading you".

Steve Jackson
Atlanta, Georgia, USA

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From: "Ian J. Harris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) who are all you people? ;)
Date: 26 Apr 2000 20:28:35 +0000


Hi All
 Quick intro - Im Ian, 28, live in Essex, England.  Loved Safety
Dance when it came out, and have just finished getting all the MWH
albums on CD.
 If you want to know what I look like....check out
www.facelink.com/oved
~ Ian


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From: "Ian Kidd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) who are all you people? ;)
Date: 26 Apr 2000 23:21:05 -0400


Hi All
Quick intro - I'm Ian, 28, live in Atlanta, GA USA.  Loved Safety Dance
when it came out, and have just finished getting all the MWH albums on CD.
If you want to know what I look like....check out
 http://people.atl.mediaone.net/ikidd/
~ Ian

 P.S.  Inspired by Ian J. Harris email.  Thought it was creepy that we
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From: Heidi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 12" Hats singles
Date: 26 Apr 2000 20:27:25 -0400


I've been sorting thru my albums collecting a pile to take to a used
record/cd shop and have a two Hats 12" singles and one 7" I no longer
want. So is anyone looking for vinyl copies of the 12" of I Got The
Message (Special Extended Remix)/ Freeways (Euromix)/ Utterspace. Or
the 12" that has Living In China/ Modern Dancing/ Cocoricci (Le Tango
Des Voleurs). Or the 7" Living In China/Cocoricci (Le Tango Des Voleurs).
If anyone is interested in any of those drop me a note offlist and make
an offer. (figure postage is extra.) I'm not trying to get alot for
them but enough to make it worth selling this way. I'm in the US so
because of currency differences need to stick with selling to someone
also here. I'm only posting this to hats@ so please don't forward or
post anywhere else.

Yea, I know there's not a big demand for vinyl these days but I know
some of you collect anything Hats related. If possible I'd prefer to
sell them all to one person since it's easier but will split them up
if I need to.

=}{=

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Razormaid Remix of "I got the message"
Date: 27 Apr 2000 12:35:52 -0600


This is old news but just a reminder that Razormaid Records is planing on
doing a remix of "I got the message" by MWH. They release a New CD every
Month and this remix should be out in a few months.

Take a look at
http://www.razormaid.com/html/classx/classxseries2.htm

The MWH track is under class x-18
Right now the current release is class x-16

-Richard



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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE: Razormaid Remix of "I got the message"
Date: 27 Apr 2000 12:38:28 -0600


Correction - The MWH track is on class x-19

I will be getting this one for sure because it also has some other tracks
that are awesome including.

Ultravox
Devo
Peter Shilling
Altered Images (Great Band)

-Richard

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:36 PM


This is old news but just a reminder that Razormaid Records is planing on
doing a remix of "I got the message" by MWH. They release a New CD every
Month and this remix should be out in a few months.

Take a look at
http://www.razormaid.com/html/classx/classxseries2.htm

The MWH track is under class x-18
Right now the current release is class x-16

-Richard



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From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) RE: Razormaid Remix of "I got the message"
Date: 28 Apr 2000 02:10:35 PDT




>
>Peter Shilling

Was he the Major Tom coming home Fella ? That takes me back a bit .

>Altered Images (Great Band)

Are we talking about the same Altered Images ? The one fronted by squeaky
voiced , lousy actress Clare Grogan ? The same Clare Grogan who wasn't very
good in Red Dwarf, put in a dreadful appearence in Father Ted, and played an
unconvincing dectective in Eastenders ? (and turned down an offer to go out
with me, but thats another story, not that I'm bitter or anything)

I defy anyone to sit through an entire Altered Images album. They are Pants.
  Happy Birthday's a good tune though.

>
>-Richard
>
Alan


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From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD-Rs...
Date: 28 Apr 2000 06:59:18 PDT





>From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (hats) CD-Rs...
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
> > I know that there are no "new" fan cd's being produced but what about
> > cdr's for those who didn't manage to get the originals?
>
>Stefan is in charge of all that now.
>
>Myke
>
Myke,

I wish you'd stop whinging, this must be the 8th unpleasant, Stefan
bickering email i've read from you in recent days. Stefan never threatened
to sue anyone. If you're going to sue anyone you send a nasty threatening
letter from a solicitor, you don't send a flippant email threatening to set
the FBI on them. Sense of humour failure on your part , me thinks.

The fact remains that Mr Holdman had 9 hours worth of MWH material readily
downloadable for free to anyone with internet access. Material that was made
by MWH and are entilted to be paid for, much as I thought the site was an
excellent resource you have to accept that it was illegal. I think you'll
find that MWH's don't have any objection to bootlegs as long as they are
done discreetly , which I gather that Stefan/Ivan were happy to condone,
after all they let the ROY/FOTE3 demo's become available to interested
parties. The gist of it was as I see it that we could continue to swap
bootlegs as long as it was between fans and done without shouting about it.

Let me tell you a story, once apon a time Paul McCartney ( He played bass in
the Beatles) told in an interview how he used to in the early sixties go to
concerts and tape them, and also how much he enjoyed doing it and the
pleasure he derived from listening to the tapes. Shortly afterwards an
English fella was caught and prosecuted for selling bootleg Paul McCartney
tapes. He tracked Paul McCartney down and questioned him on the injustice of
it all, how he Paul could freely admit to making bootlegs and at the same
time prosecute people for doing the same. Paul replied 'Its simple mate, you
got caught and I didn't'

Which I think sums up the whole bootleg debate really nicely. If you're
going to do it, do it descreetly and don't get caught. had the CD's been
kept within the list, none of this would have happened.

Also the list had 'died' way before Stefan made his guest appearence, I
believe it was when it was discovered that Ivan wasn't going to reform MWH
circa 1984 and deliver a wish list set, and instead intended to perform his
standard set at the time for the mailing list concert.

Anyway, spring is on its way, cheer up fella, no need to get pissed off
about it.

Alan

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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD-Rs
Date: 28 Apr 2000 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT)


Alan,

I'm not pissed off about anything.

Stefan's actions don't bother me.  It's the way in which Stefan
chose to implement them that does.  He was rather rude and has so
far to my knowledge has not apologized for his nasty tone.

He didn't have to behave in such a manner in order to get
Richard to comply with his wishes.

The source for the RoY/Fot80sIII demos has never been revealed
to me either.  The whole premise surrounding them was that the
source not be revealed.  Why, I have no idea.  So, I cannot assume
that Stefan deserves credit for those recordings being in my
personal collection - nor Ivan.  It would make sense if that were
the case, however, I cannot prove it one way or the other.

Meanwhile, I simply do not approve of Stefan's tactics and as much
as I'd like to, I no longer do for the members of this list what I
used to do in order to see that they receive the recordings they seek.
(And, believe me, I used to do a *lot* for the members of this list
in a totally discreet, behind-the-scenes way.)  I also have a track
to submit to the covers project but have opted to boycott it as well
as long as Stefan stays on his course.

If your take is correct, and I would hope that it is, I need to hear
it from Stefan directly and not from some third-party intermediary.

Myke


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From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD-Rs
Date: 28 Apr 2000 09:08:50 PDT





>From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (hats) CD-Rs
>Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>Alan,
>
>I'm not pissed off about anything.
>
>Stefan's actions don't bother me.  It's the way in which Stefan
>chose to implement them that does.  He was rather rude and has so
>far to my knowledge has not apologized for his nasty tone.
>

I put that down at the time as English not being his first language, but
having read his web site, I'm of the opinion he's not much of a writer, at
first I thought it was some of Dark humour that eluded me. Howver having
read his web site I gather that they are pissed of over royalities, he
alleges that Oglio never paid the royalties owed. But yes he was rude. I'm
sure he comes across better face to face.


>I also have a track
>to submit to the covers project but have opted to boycott it as well
>as long as Stefan stays on his course.
>

Thats just silly.

Alan

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From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD-Rs
Date: 28 Apr 2000 12:56:57 -0400 (EDT)


> I gather that they are pissed of over royalities

Well, you know, we're not so assholic on this list that we wouldn't
mind working with them on that if they requested our cooperation.
We seem to be a rather honest and enthusiastic bunch when we're allowed
to be.

> he alleges that Oglio never paid the royalties owed.

Is that true, Carl?

> But yes he was rude.

Thank you for agreeing with me on that point.

> I'm sure he comes across better face to face.

http://people.delphi.com/mykec/artists/mwh_01_13.html

He seemed rather distant and removed when I met him.
I don't recall him being rude or anything but he wasn't
exactly friendly either.  More neutral than anything.
Ivan, on the other hand, was very kewl and friendly.
He didn't seem to have a whole lot to say either, but
he was very polite and prone to minging and physical
interaction.  (mingling, sorry.)

http://people.delphi.com/mykec/artists/mwh_01_14.html

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Subject: Re: (hats) RE: Razormaid Remix of "I got the message"
Date: 28 Apr 2000 11:51:53 -0700 (PDT)




On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Alan Pendleton wrote:
>
> >Altered Images (Great Band)
>
> Are we talking about the same Altered Images ? The one fronted by squeaky
> voiced , lousy actress Clare Grogan ? The same Clare Grogan who wasn't very
> good in Red Dwarf, put in a dreadful appearence in Father Ted, and played an
> unconvincing dectective in Eastenders ? (and turned down an offer to go out
> with me, but thats another story, not that I'm bitter or anything)
>
> I defy anyone to sit through an entire Altered Images album. They are Pants.
> Happy Birthday's a good tune though.>

I happen to love Altered Images, precisely because of her squeaky voice.
So not only can I sit through one album, I can sit through all of them in
a row.

And yet Bjork's voice annoys the hell out of me. Strange. The one that I
absolutely can't stand to listen to is the singer from the Cranberries.

Dave



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