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From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest)
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Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #216
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glencook-fans-digest Thursday, October 17 2002 Volume 01 : Number 216
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:20:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Tygers <robotchas@yahoo.com>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Swordbearers in the Tower of Fear
I enjoyed Swordbearer more on the second or third read
through, when I was more aware of the subtext Cook was
working into the story, but I'm not surprised he's not
proud of it. It's perhaps the most derivative of his
published works (basically Moorcock-done-right) and
while it has some interesting Cookian twists to the
archetype - I like it better than the dreary Elric -
it's most interesting as a preview of where his later
books would go. (There's room for a sequel but I don't
feel a need for one. The most interesting questions
are answered and I like stories that leave the rest up
to my imagination...could really have done without the
Silver Spike).
As for Tower of Fear, this is Cook at the height of
his powers. Multiple factions, clashing cultures,
complex politics, divided loyalties, murky moral
questions, rich characterization, and a plot that has
the logic of reality, not pretty formulas. You can see
hints of all these things in Swordbearer. The dual
ending is an integral part of his theme: events that
seem tremendously important in perspective inevitably
become mere parts of the ongoing tapestry of history -
as momentous as our lives may seem we are all just
"dust in the wind." (You see this in Dread Empire and
Black Company too). This thematic maturity is one of
the main reasons Glen is pretty much the only
fantasy/science-fiction author I read any more...I
grew out of "happily ever after" escapism.
And I'd love to see a Cook book about Iraq...someone
should suggest that next time they see him.
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Koshel <mkoshel@yahoo.com>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook elements in Steven Erikson' Mazalan series
I am currently reading the the 2nd book of Mazalan
series by Steven Erikson. I was wondering how many,
(if any) other people on the list have read this
series.
The reason I bring it up on the list is that it
appears that Erikson has borrowed elements of the
Black Company and the Dread Empire series, i.e. the
Bridgeburners and Kruppe, (who reminds me of Mocker so
much it isn't even funny.) Anyone else have any
thoughts.
Also, to anyone who hasn't read it, I highly recommend
this series. Everyone I know who has read the first 3
can't get over how well done it is.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:51:59 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= <stelm7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearers in the Tower of Fear
--- Robert Tygers <robotchas@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As for Tower of Fear, this is Cook at the height of
> his powers.
See, I think this too. A few people have slagged it,
and I can't understand it. When I try to get people
interested in fantasy, or if someone asks me a fantasy
book to read, I point them to Cook's "Tower of Fear"
and Guy Gavriel Kay's "Tigana". I really love all the
Black Company books, but "Tower of Fear" is possibly
Cook's finest works, and certainly one of the best
fantasy novels of the last couple of decades.
But that's just my opinion.
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AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction)
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:30:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Igor Filippov <igor@osc.edu>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearers in the Tower of Fear
I'm sorry, but I really hated Tower of Fear.
I tried to start it several times over the last few years, and
when I finally finished it it wasn't worth the effort. What really
attracted me to Mr. Cook other work was the pro-active position that his
protagonists tend to take - made even more interesting by the non-trivial
nature of the said position - neither what could be called "good" nor
altogether "evil". Unfortunately this does not seem to apply to "Tower of
Fear" - it felt like most of the time everybody was just sitting there
waiting for the events to unfold themselves, which brought the random plot
to a random end. I really wouldn't recommend "Tower of Fear" for anyone
but most hard-core fans of Mr. Cook's work.
Just my 2 cents worth,
Igor Filippov
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Fraser Ronald wrote:
> --- Robert Tygers <robotchas@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > As for Tower of Fear, this is Cook at the height of
> > his powers.
>
> See, I think this too. A few people have slagged it,
> and I can't understand it. When I try to get people
> interested in fantasy, or if someone asks me a fantasy
> book to read, I point them to Cook's "Tower of Fear"
> and Guy Gavriel Kay's "Tigana". I really love all the
> Black Company books, but "Tower of Fear" is possibly
> Cook's finest works, and certainly one of the best
> fantasy novels of the last couple of decades.
>
> But that's just my opinion.
>
> =====
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> "Sword's Edge" (http://www.swordsedge.net/)
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>
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:09:52 +0200
From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook elements in Steven Erikson' Mazalan series
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Koshel <mkoshel@yahoo.com>
> The reason I bring it up on the list is that it
> appears that Erikson has borrowed elements of the
> Black Company and the Dread Empire series, i.e. the
> Bridgeburners and Kruppe, (who reminds me of Mocker so
> much it isn't even funny.) Anyone else have any
> thoughts.
Well, Erikson pointed in one interview that he likes Cook's books .
Mocker :)
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:44:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Tower of Fear
Igor wrote:
>
>I'm sorry, but I really hated Tower of Fear.
>I tried to start it several times over the last few years, and
>when I finally finished it it wasn't worth the effort. What really
>attracted me to Mr. Cook other work was the pro-active position that his
>protagonists tend to take - made even more interesting by the non-trivial
>nature of the said position - neither what could be called "good" nor
>altogether "evil". Unfortunately this does not seem to apply to "Tower of
>Fear" - it felt like most of the time everybody was just sitting there
>waiting for the events to unfold themselves, which brought the random plot
>to a random end. I really wouldn't recommend "Tower of Fear" for anyone
>but most hard-core fans of Mr. Cook's work.
>
This is what makes writing interesting. You never know how people
are going to react. And it's why there is a large variety out there. I
fall into the camp who loves "Tower of Fear." I agree with the eloquent
descriptions by a few others on this list about how "Tower of Fear" is
a study of moral ambiguity which is Cook's trademark. It's not action
filled but I had a hard time putting it down. I didn't see the characters
as "waiting for events to unfold." I felt that the characters weren't
always certain of what actions to take and were forced to react to what
happened around them instead. Each character takes a realistic stance,
not necessarily a heroic one, toward how to live his life. I found the
characters compelling and cared about most of them by the end of the book,
even those who I didn't want to succeed.
To each his own. :-)
Steve
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:30:50 -0500
From: "Lawrence Jenab" <ljenab@sunflower.com>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Good source for used books
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Sorry to bug everybody, but someone posted a URL for a good online =
source of used books, including Glen's. It wasn't one of the =
run-of-the-mill Amazon.Barnes&Noble.com type places. I've searched the =
digest, but I guess it was too recent a thread to be up yet. Anyone =
remember the site?
Thanks,
Larry
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:38:58 -0700
From: Brooke Wheeler <BrookeAWheeler@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Good source for used books
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Er... I mentioned ABEBooks.com. Was that the one you were thinking of?<br>
<br>
Lawrence Jenab wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2">Sorry to bug everybody, but someone posted a URL for
a good online source of used books, including Glen's. It wasn't one of
the run-of-the-mill Amazon.Barnes&Noble.com type places. I've searched
the digest, but I guess it was too recent a thread to be up yet. Anyone
remember the site?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Thanks,</font></div>
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:46:05 -0500
From: "Lawrence Jenab" <ljenab@sunflower.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Good source for used books
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That was it! Thanks, Brooke.
Larry
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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Good source for used books
Er... I mentioned ABEBooks.com. Was that the one you were thinking of?
Lawrence Jenab wrote:
Sorry to bug everybody, but someone posted a URL for a good online =
source of used books, including Glen's. It wasn't one of the =
run-of-the-mill Amazon.Barnes&Noble.com type places. I've searched the =
digest, but I guess it was too recent a thread to be up yet. Anyone =
remember the site?
Thanks,
Larry
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>That was it! Thanks, Brooke.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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for used books</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Er... I mentioned ABEBooks.com. Was that the one you =
were=20
thinking of?<BR><BR>Lawrence Jenab wrote:<BR>
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I've=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:48:10 -0500
From: "Horky, Roger" <rhorky@trinity.edu>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Good source for used books
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Don't forget bookfinder.com ( www.bookfinder.com), a meta-search engine =
that looks at used-and-rare book dealer networks such as ABE and =
TomFolio, and new booksellers such as Half.com and B&N. I've managed to =
fill in most of the gaps of my various collections using this service. =
It's best for English-language books, but there are a lot of overseas =
dealers hooked up. It's owned by Amazon, but they maintain a fairly low =
profile.
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From: Lawrence Jenab [mailto:ljenab@sunflower.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:46 PM
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That was it! Thanks, Brooke.
=20
Larry
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To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Good source for used books
Er... I mentioned ABEBooks.com. Was that the one you were thinking of?
Lawrence Jenab wrote:
Sorry to bug everybody, but someone posted a URL for a good online =
source of used books, including Glen's. It wasn't one of the =
run-of-the-mill Amazon.Barnes&Noble.com type places. I've searched the =
digest, but I guess it was too recent a thread to be up yet. Anyone =
remember the site?
=20
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Larry
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>That was it! Thanks, Brooke.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Er... I mentioned ABEBooks.com. Was that the one you =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sorry to bug everybody, but someone posted a =
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good online source of used books, including Glen's. It =
wasn't one of=20
the run-of-the-mill Amazon.Barnes&Noble.com type places. =
I've=20
searched the digest, but I guess it was too recent a thread to be =
up=20
yet. Anyone remember the site?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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