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glencook-fans-digest    Tuesday, September 5 2000    Volume 01 : Number 026




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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:57:18 -0500
From: "S. Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowline 3rd Edition

Nope, mine's the first printing one on both.  They're the only copies I've
ever even seen.

Eric Herrmann wrote:

> I'm trying to determine if there was a 3rd edition of Shadowline.
>
> Does anyone have a book different from:
>
>     Shadowline (Red Cover)
>     ISBN: 0-446-30154-X $2.75
>     "First Printing: February, 1982"
>     "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1"
>
>     Shadowline (Black Cover)
>     ISBN: 0-446-34214-9 $3.95
>     "First Printing: February, 1982"
>     "Reissued: April, 1986"
>     "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3"
>
> It's been suggested that the printing is indicated by the
>     "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1"
> So I'm wondering if someone as a
>     "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2"
>
> Same challenge for Starfishers. I've only found
>
>     Starfishers
>     ISBN: 0-446-30155-8 $2.95
>     "First Printing: May, 1982"
>     "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1"
>
> Email me privately.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:25:38 -0700
From: Lee Childs <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowline 3rd Edition

Eric:
Shadowline has a first and second edition.
1. 1982 Shadowline Warner 350 ?      PB n
2. 1986 Shadowline Warner 350 3.95 PB n
See http://www.locusmag.com/ for confirmation.
Shadowline (Warner 0-446-34214-9, Apr =9286 [Mar =9286], $3.95, 350pp, pb=
)
[*Starfishers] Reissue (Warner 1982) sf novel. Vol. 1 of the =93Starfishe=
rs=94
trilogy.
Lee Childs


Eric Herrmann wrote:

> I'm trying to determine if there was a 3rd edition of Shadowline.
>
> Same challenge for Starfishers. I've only found
>
>     Starfishers
>     ISBN: 0-446-30155-8 $2.95
>     "First Printing: May, 1982"
>     "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1"
>
> Email me privately.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:22:35 -0500
From: "Richard Gruver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowline 3rd Edition

  I kinda got obsessive about buying oop Cook PB's about 3 yrs ago. I have
Shadowline in all 3 printings (Actually I have six full sets of the
trilogy). I keep intending to sell some of them on ebay but somehow I never
get around to it.The first printing has the lighter colored cover where the
artwork overflows the frame on the cover. In the 2nd & 3rd printings the
cover art is contained within the frame and the rest of the cover is black.
Richard Gruver
Eric:
Shadowline has a first and second edition.
1. 1982 Shadowline Warner 350 ?      PB n
2. 1986 Shadowline Warner 350 3.95 PB n
See http://www.locusmag.com/ for confirmation.
Shadowline (Warner 0-446-34214-9, Apr '86 [Mar '86], $3.95, 350pp, pb)
[*Starfishers] Reissue (Warner 1982) sf novel. Vol. 1 of the "Starfishers"
trilogy.
Lee Childs


Eric Herrmann wrote:

> I'm trying to determine if there was a 3rd edition of Shadowline.
>
> Same challenge for Starfishers. I've only found
>
>     Starfishers
>     ISBN: 0-446-30155-8 $2.95
>     "First Printing: May, 1982"
>     "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1"
>
> Email me privately.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:11:50 -0500
From: David Ainsworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Literary Journey (Spoilers)

New poster, new to the list, and about a week behind, so I apologize for
everything in advance.  ;)  There are some spoilers below, so be warned...










As someone who does literary analysis for a "living," I thought I'd jump in
with some opinions on the topic of the Black Company as protagonist.  I
think perhaps I'd say it is, but only in a qualified sense.  Because the
Black Company, we learn from the Books of the South, doesn't really exist as
a discrete entity.  The series is really about a process of defining the
Black Company, and then discovering that it isn't at all what it seemed to be.

Look at the Books of the North.  We have a strong Annalist, regular
readings, an underrunning sense of continuity.  The same core group of
characters help sustain that sense.  This is the same Black Company
throughout, although by the end of the second book it has redefined itself
(only SO black and no further).  But suddenly the Company is wiped out, and
half of what remains chooses to disband.  What is the Company at the end of
TWR?  That's suddenly a huge question.  The continuity has been shattered (I
think Silver Spike's position in the series neatly demonstrates that).  In
the absence of any clear sense of a future, Croaker decides to go back into
the Company's past, that which was lost since departure from Khatovar.  In
those days, the Company was in the service of nobody.

And, as he and others comment in the Books of the South and Glittering
Stone, their trip south does indeed take them back into the Company's past.
But as they start uncovering some of the mysteries, they discover that the
Company's past has been manipulated left and right.  Kina has created false
memories of its earlier trip through the South, Shivetya has manipulated
Croaker into trying to return the Annals (which explains Croaker's
disinterest in Khatovar in SL), and in its attempt to return to its roots,
the Company instead becomes something it had never been before.

At the end of SL, the remaining Company, even more than in WS, has little
connection to what went before.  The new Captain has only the smallest link
to the Company of the past, and the Company itself is going to do its thing
in an entirely new world.  But then there's a second Company, the one
gathered around Croaker/Shivetya and Lady.  I think it's significant that it
is here that the Annals continue.  Are these two groups still unified, or
not?  We can't really tell, though Croaker is never going to leave the Plain
again...

David

PS.  Regarding Croaker/Shivetya and Croaker's question to him before the
"swap,"  I feel the implication is that if Shivetya were gone, the Plain and
everything in it would cease to exist.  And there's the suggestion in an
earlier book that the Plain may have *generated* the worlds attached to it.
So if Shivetya (the World-Annalist) were gone, everything else goes too.
Reality is created, then, by the memory of its past as much or more than by
the thrust of its future.  The moral, if I were to declare one, for the
whole series--and ample source of literary merit.  "It is immortality of a
sort."


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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:16:03 -0500
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Literary Journey (Spoilers)

David,

Thanks for carrying on my notion of the Company as protagonist.

I think of the Company as a sort of protagonist, partly in that it
carries some of the moral burden of the story:  The concern of just who
the company thinks it is, of what it collectively sees as its place in
the world, is a question of continuing import, even as the company
personell changes in entirety.  It is the changing form of the company's
self-declared mission that is one of the long-term matters of interest
throughout the saga.

And, as you say, Kina and Shivetya are world-class manipulators who have
an impact on the way the company as a whole (and not just any
individual) interacts with the world.

But we also have Croaker, Lady, and Soulcatcher as important figures
throughout the series (even if the first two are entirely off-stage in
WS); so there is also continuity of individual characters, one of whom
is a protagonist figures (Lady is always a bit too distant and unsharing
of her feelings, even as annalist, to be much of a protagonist).
Further, Croaker carries his own individual moral burden, and we care
about that (even Lady does, perhaps--but not Soulcatcher).  So this is
not solely a Company-driven saga; there is Croaker, too (mostly there).

Steve

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:10:21 -0600
From: "Amy Weathers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Literary Journey (Spoilers)

I, too, am new to this list. I hope all of us new people do not drive all
you 'older' people too crazy.

I am also catching up on the last couple of days worth of posts.

As far as SL, when I finished reading it I felt very complete. Like many of
you, having dedicated the last decade or so the BC, SL took the journey full
circle. This is the story of a group of people who have lived, grown and
ultimately died together. The fact that the 'real life time' of these novels
spans over apx 14 years has also given us, the readers, lots of time to do
much living and growing in our own lives, thus making this cycle feel more
real and genuine than, say, the Dragonlance stories.

Personally, I would feel a little cheated if Cook was to go on with the
story. I think it would cheapen the series, again like the way Dragonlance
was. I would like to find out more about the history of the Taken and their
backstory. Books on that subject would be nice.

At any rate, it is nice to see that there are other Cook fans out there.
Back in 1990 or so I felt like I was all alone.

- - Amy



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