Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL editing (no spoilers)
In a message dated 8/5/00 6:57:17 PM, sfelice@getty.edu writes:
>Supposedly, there are still humans proofreading and copy-editing these
>books before they're typeset. But who knows what goes on in those publishing
>houses now. As I mentioned earlier, it's been something I've been noticing
>more and more of lately. I noticed it MANY times throughout the book
Prophecy
>that I just finished reading. And it really annoyed me. It doesn't change
>how well you enjoy the story, but it's like watching a movie and having
>someone in the corner talking. It pulls you out of the moment and makes
>you realize you're just reading a book/watching a movie.
There's getting to be a terrible compression in the publishing bussines. Look
on
the Tor website. They address the fact that a book like Jordan's new one will
go out the door a nano-second after they can get it to go. They are not
sitting
on manuscripts, keeping them from the public that wants them. Seems to me
that they should hold 'em a little while longer. :) There are also like 19
people
working at Tor.
>I'm beginning to think like you, where I'm going to start complaining when
>I see these errors pop up. I can forgive one or two. That's human error.
> But when you get up to 10, 20, 50, 100. That's just lazy.
Well, I wasn't really going to complain. Just point 'em out to improve the
product.
christopher....
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:50:11 -0500
From: "Richard Gruver" <richgru@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Don't want to start
My amazon order arrived on Monday and SL is still sitting on my table
unread. I know if I start reading it I will consume it wolfishly and then it
will be over, and I really don't want it to be over.
On another topic I don't think TOR is doing much to push sales on this book.
The major chains apparently don't think it will sell. I was in the Barnes &
Noble in downtown Fort Worth last night and noticed that they only had one
copy on the shelves. I commented to the cashier that they must have sold a
lot of them to be down to only one already. Out of curiosity she looked it
up in the computer and they had only ordered three copies of the book from
the publisher.
Richard
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:28:00 -0500
From: "Jordan Raney" <jrraney@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL (spoilers)
> Quite the contrary. I read the last words, put the book down and
> was totally satisfied. I was really worried that after all the years of
> wondering about the fates of Booboo et al I'd get this book then be
> disappointed. But I wasn't.
>
> Yes I was "sad" when particular characters died - and some of the
> deaths were a bit anti-climatic (along the lines of - 'oh, and he's
> dead too, onto the next chapter'). Overall I'm happy - it ended well.
> I was really glad it came full circle and Croaker was back in the
> narrator's seat.
This is also the feeling I had. I was perfectly "satisfied" when I finished
it.
> As for Khatovar - I liked the way it was handled. All through the
> books of the South Croaker was told he'd be disappointed if he ever
> got there. They were right. Khatovar was a bust. It was a ploy to
> get the Black Company in place for Shivetya's plans.
I didn't have a problem with the way he handled Khatovar either. I might
have been more disappointed if Water Sleeps hadn't been the way it was...but
in Water Sleeps I remember that everyone went into the Land of Unknown
Shadows thinking they'd never be able to get to Khatovar because its "gate"
was broken. I was very disappointed when I read that, but when I picked up
Soldier's Live, I did so with the notion in my head that they'd never be
able to get there anyway, so I was pleasantly surprised when they figured
out how to "fix" gates.
JR
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:47:13 EDT
From: WinB@aol.com
Subject: (glencook-fans) SL Sequel (spoilers)
I've finished the book and read quite a few of your comments. I whole-heartedly agree that Cook wrapped things up nicely with Croaker.
Moving forward, I don't think it would be appropriate to have a sequel directly related to the Company. "In those days the Company..." just doesn't fit anymore.
However, think about this. Croaker mentions that Shivetya started the whole thing after the battle of the Barrowlands, laying his seed of thought that would eventually allow him to "die." Now Shivetya occupies Croaker's body and we can assume that Croaker has all of the golem's former powers. Croaker knows what is happening in Hsien. What if Tobo, Arkana, Shurkat and the Children of the Dead return to Hsien and travel north? We know that the worlds are identical except where man has intervened. Does the north have a Plain of Fear? Does it have it's own version of the Barrowland?
Tobo (he really does need a new name, even though Shukrat calls him Tobe) has been brought up right. He could become the great and powerful Oz, aided by his wife and sister-in-law (and maybe Lady, but that may be too much of a link). I wouldn't like to see him become a new Dominator, but perhaps a crisis of faith?
Maybe it would start something like this...
The Company is no more, if it ever existed for me as it had for those that came before. I have taken up the pen that was left, but not as Annalist, as my father would have wanted. I do not know what drives me to record events as I see them. Perhaps it is out of some respect for what he achieved. Maybe it's just out of a desire to see that things will be remembered.
In those days, we were in the service of no one...
Well, it *could* start like that.
Win
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:35:07 EDT
From: CookReader@aol.com
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Alternative Authors (was Yesssssssssss!)
In a message dated 8/5/00 5:11:00 PM, Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu writes:
>I think the point was (and please excuse me if I'm misinterpreting) that
>the kid refused to consider ANY authors if they weren't TSR books. That's
>the truly sad thing, as if TSR was the only producer of quality or
interesting
>fantasy. Hopefully it's just a phase and he'll grow out of it. :-}
He will. I worked for Borders for 4 years and I would all the time have
parents
come in saying, "My kid will only read Star Wars," or "Dragonlance," or
whatever.
Goosebumps or Fear Street or Christopher Pike or whatever. They would act
like this was a major concern.
Hell, at least the kid is reading. Eventually he will get bored or run-out (a
near
impossible task with TSR).
I loved it when I could try to push a good book on a kid that is mostly used
to
reading crap. Nothing wrong with crap, I started with the usuals also, but
there
are better things out there than a lot of the shared world books.
I found Cook from the reverse of this. I've been pushing books for a few years
and a customer politely listened to my canned diatribe, then said, "Well, have
you read Cook?" He puts Black Company in my hands. Terrible terrible cover.
The rest of the series is even worse. I only read it because it would have
been
hypocritical of me not to (I'd shoved enough Brust down people's throat to
deserve a few bad cover books).
Anyway, I read it and loved it and to my great delight there were another 5
books! Took me a long weekend to read all straight through and I've since read
them pretty much annually and shoved them down other's throat for awhile now.
I do wish they would redo the covers though.
christopher....
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:18:53 -0500
From: "PrimalChrome" <chrome@wwisp.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The FAQ
Are you wanting a Glen Cook FAQ, or looking to compile one specific to this
ListServ?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Herrmann" <shpshftr@xmission.com>
To: "Glen Cook Fans" <glencook-fans@xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 10:07 AM
Subject: (glencook-fans) The FAQ
So the list has been around now for a year or so. It's about time we had a
FAQ. The FAQ will be stored on the website with the archives.
Anybody want to take on this task?
If you have suggestions for the FAQ send them to me and then I'll forward
them to whoever accepts the task. I'm just hoping it isn't me. :)
Eric Herrmann
<shpshftr@xmission.com>
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:35:13 EDT
From: CookReader@aol.com
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL:spoilers don't read unless you are finished
In a message dated 8/5/00 10:11:10 AM, lich@mtco.com writes:
>. . . except for the fact that SL is the last Black Company book. Glen
>has no interest in writing anymore (Black Company anyway) -- burnout.
I'm guessing this all depends on how his next book is recieved. The BC
books are his bread&butter books. If he can parlay the popularity over
to another series he's set, but if the next is not well recieved my guess
is that he'll be back doing what sells.
In a message dated 8/5/00 9:52:23 PM, mdscholl@yahoo.com writes:
And Croaker can subtly manipulate everyone's beliefs. I wonder if the
literacy rates will go up.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Herrmann [mailto:shpshftr@xmission.com]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:15 AM
To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL Sequel (spoilers)
on 8/7/00 7:47 AM, WinB@aol.com at WinB@aol.com wrote:
> Moving forward, I don't think it would be appropriate to have a sequel
> directly related to the Company. "In those days the Company..." just
doesn't
> fit anymore.
I think the sequel is the Senjak sisters. Now that the men they competed for
(Dominator and Croaker) are no longer available and Dorotea is the equal in
power to Sylith, they patch up their differences and go shopping. That is
shopping for kingdoms, empires and worlds.
Eric Herrmann
<shpshftr@xmission.com>
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:06:33 -0700
From: "Darin McGee" <dmcgee@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Alternative Authors (was Yesssssssssss!)
I don't think you're being fair to TSR fans. I tend to read anything that catches my interest and at times that has been books by Salvatore, Weis & Hickman. I know a few people whose reading material is almost entirely TSR and at first I thought they were simply restricting themselves but I've learned over time that they prefer TSR because they want to read about a world that becomes VERY detailed. It's a personal choice and doesn't reflect ignorance. Just because YOU think that Cook is the greatest thing since sliced bread (and so do I for that matter..) doesn't mean everyone else has to.
Darin
- --
>
>I ran into a kid once who I discussed a couple fantasy books with. As
>usual, I tried to introduce him to Cook. He responded, " I only read
>TSR/Forgotten Realms books." I didn't know whether to laugh at him or cry
>at his ignorance. Ultimately, I settled for my default reaction of ignoring
>him.
>
>
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