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fractint-digest         Tuesday, July 24 2001         Volume 01 : Number 584




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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:48:14 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: [philofractal] C-FOTD  11-07-01  (Sea-What[4]

At 07:16 22/07/2001, David Jones wrote:
>Scientifically speaking, any measurable quantity about
>something is a dimension - so there are lots of
>multidimensional things around. Just not to be confused
>with spatial dimensions.

Mathematically speaking there's no distinction.

Morgan L. Owens
"Who insisted on spatial dimensions anyway?"


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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:53:40 -0700
From: "Osher Doctorow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractals and Cross-Term Dimensional Analysis

From: Osher Doctorow [e-mail], Sat. July 21, 2001 10:02PM

I have been proving several theorems on [e-mail],
[e-mail], real-analysis, anzap-l
(Australian-New Zealand Applied Probability), and elsewhere which appear to
relate fractals to cross-term-dimensional analysis (which I also discovered
recently).

Ordinary dimensional analysis in (mathematical) physics and engineering
(including chemical engineering) and even astrophysics and other fields is
mostly concerned with factors inside a single term of a physical equation
except to check that different terms reduce to the same dimensions. The
products of integer exponents of the dimensions of the factors in a single
term, including negative integers corresponding to division by integer
powers form an abelian group under multiplication.  For example, speed or
velocity has dimensions L/T which is usually written LT^(-1) where ^
represents exponent here.  L is the dimension of length, T is the dimension
of time.  Three other dimensions are in common use: M (mass), Q (charge,
usually electric), THETA (temperature).  If objects behave differently in
different spatial directions, the dimension of length is often subdivided
into three *independent* dimensions of Lx (backward-forward, say), Ly
(left-right, say) and Lz (up-down, say).   A typical problem that can be
solved in hydrodynamics, for example, is to find how the variables are
organized as factors in a single term (whether division or multiplication,
and what exponents are involved), provided that one knows the relevant
variables or has some theoretical (and hopefully experimental) basis for
choosing the variables.   Bluman and Kumei in their volume Symmetries and
Differential Equations, Springer-Verlag: N.Y. 1989, and the papers on which
it is based, revolutionized the study of ordinary and partial differential
equations largely by using a generalization of the fact that dimensional
analysis in such equations is a special case of Lie Groups.

What, then, is Cross-Term Dimensional Analysis (CTDA for short), and why is
it needed?   Dimensional analysis provides no clue as to why terms in a
physical equation have plus or minus (positive or negative) signs.
Suppose, for example, that x, y, z, and w are nonnegative variables, and
that some equation holds among them which in homogeneous form (all variables
moved to the left side of the equation and the left side is set equal to 0)
is:

1)  w - y + x - z = 0

Where do the + and - signs come from?   CTDA attempts to answer this
question, and the somewhat remarkable answer appears to be that the signs of
terms under the above types of conditions reflect whether a variable is a
causing/influencing or a caused/influenced variable as well as (when
combined with the enumeration of the number of variables involved) how many
steps are involved in the causation or influence.

What does all this have to do with fractals?   It has to do with the
fractals which are generated by iteration, e.g., by composition
f(f(....   ).   Notice here that the same function is composed with itself.

Now look at this rather strange expression: p1(p1(x, y), p1(z, w)).   This
looks a lot like the above iterated function, especially if we keep
iterating (e.g., x = p1(u, w), etc.).  However, there is already something
remarkable, just with this one expression.   Here p1 is the proximity
function p1(x, y) = 1 + y - x with y < = x and all variables x, y, z, w
between 0 and 1.   By evaluating the above expression, we find that:

2)  p1(p1(x,y), p1(z,w)) = 1 + p1(z, w) - p1(x, y) = 1 + (1 +(w - z)) - (1 +
(y - x)) = 1 + (w - z) - (y - x)

This is beginning to look awfully like equation (1).  In fact, if we set the
left hand side of (2) equal to 1, then we get (1) above:

3)  p1(p1(x,y),p1(z,w)) = 1

Moreover, if we go deeper and deeper inward in iteration of (2), we get
successively an expression like (2) with 8 variables instead of just 4 (x,
y, z, w being 4 variables), and so on (double each time), although there is
a specific pattern of + and - differences which yields an algorithm for the
n+1 st iteration in terms of the nth iteration.

I do not know how many readers recall my original contributions to fractint,
but I discussed here and elsewhere the fact that p1(x, y) = 1 + y - x for y
< = x and both x, y between 0 and 1 has three simultaneous interpretations
(although the objects referred to are not necessarily the same objects in
the three interpretations): (1) it is the probable/statistical (Logic-Based
Probability or LBP) influence of x on y (or the sets whose probabilities are
represented by x and y), in that order, (2) it is the Lukaciewicz fuzzy
multivalued logical implication x-->y (*x implies y*) = 1 + y - x (see P.
Hajek, Metamathematics of Fuzzy Logics, Kluwer Academic: Dordrecht 1998 for
excellent presentations of Lukaciewicz, Product-Goguen, and Godel fuzzy
multivalued logics) when x and y are fuzzy multivalued logical propositions,
(3) it corresponds geometrically to (one-sided) *nearness* of x to y when x
and y are 1 dimensional coordinates, just as ordinary Euclidean
distance-function or metric d(x, y) is the two-sided *farness* between x and
y.   Both have n-dimensional generalizations for n any positive integer.
In fact, p1(x, y) is a one-sided partial inverse of d(x, y) which is maximum
when d(x, y) is minimum subject to the constraints y < = x and x, y in [0,
1], and vice versa the former is minimum when the latter is maximum.  For n
dimensions, x and y become n-dimensional vectors and the expressions above
are the same except that x and y are replaced in the equations by the
average of their respective components, and yi < = xi for i = 1 to n, and
all xi, yi components of x, y are between 0 and 1.

Notice that we could generate iterated fractals as a special case of an
iterated p1 function by setting one of the p1 arguments equal to 0 and
possibly changing the range of the p1 function and the other constraint.
However, the most interesting part is not this but the fact that fractals
appear to be related to the basic causal or influence structure of the
mathematical and physical universe through (1) mathematical logic, (2)
probability/statistics, (3) geometry.  Only by combining fractals or their
p1 double-argument generalization and non-fractal or non-p1 expressions do
we obtain a complete dimensional analysis of both factors and terms of all
physical equations.

Osher Doctorow Ph.D.
Doctorow Consultants
Formerly (and still intermittently in parts) California State Universities
and Community Colleges




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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  22-07-01  (Silk and Satin [8+])

Classic FOTD -- July 22, 2001 (Rating 8+)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Things are finally calming down here in the Fractal Central
area, though one would never guess it from the unchanged
behavior of the fractal cats, who rarely are anything but calm.
The disruption has already done its damage however -- my goal of
a month without a midget has failed.

But now that we've abandoned the goal of a month with no
quadratic midgets, the FOTD's are starting to improve.  I
couldn't decide whether to rate today's image an 8 or a 9, so I
decided on an 8+.

The expression 1.5(Z^(0.9))-1.35(1/Z)+(1/C) was iterated by the
MandelbrotMix4 formula to produce the parent fractal, which
appears as a very twisted Mandeloid, with a period-2 main bud so
shrunken and misplaced that even identifying it is difficult.

But there is no difficulty identifying the area that corresponds
to East Valley in this fractal, and today's scene is located way
down deep near the tip of a spiral that resembles but fails to
actually duplicate an elephant trunk.

I named the picture "Silk and Satin".  The name was inspired by
the satin-like effect, which is especially prominent in the
amber areas.  This satiny effect is far easier to achieve with
several specially designed Fractint coloring options, but as is
usually the case, I prefer to do it the hard way, with the good
old classic equal-iteration bands.

Rendering in 17 minutes, the image is a bit slow, but salvation
is on the way in the form of the finished GIF image, which will
soon be posted on the Web at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was perfect, one by-product being
happy cats.  The temperature of 86F 30C and sunny skies seemed
just right for the hottest time of year.

Now I see it's time to start thinking of the next FOTD, so until
then, take care, and see you soon.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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|z| < l
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:59:40 +0000
From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 20-07-01 (Negative is Positive [6])

>From: [e-mail]
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>CC: [e-mail]
>Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  20-07-01  (Negative is Positive [6])
>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:21:21 EDT
>
>Classic FOTD -- July 20, 2001 (Rating 6)
>
>Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Dam boy, that is HOT! It's worth more than 6, if only because of the very
funky colour scheme!

Thanks.
Andrew.


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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:06:31 +0000
From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 22-07-01 (Silk and Satin [8+])

>From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>CC: [e-mail]
>Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  22-07-01  (Silk and Satin [8+])
>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>Classic FOTD -- July 22, 2001 (Rating 8+)
>
>Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
>
>I
>couldn't decide whether to rate today's image an 8 or a 9, so I
>decided on an 8+.

Let me help you: That is a pure 9 image. It's lovely!

Thanks.
Andrew.


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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:21:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 22-07-01 (Silk and Satin [8+])

At 12:06 PM 7/23/01 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote:

>Let me help you [rate the image]: That is a pure 9 image.
>It's lovely!

Andrew:

Thanks for the praise.  Only my humility keeps me from admitting
that it's true.  ;-)

Jim M.


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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:05:38 -0500
From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  21-07-01  (Iterative Serenade [5])

[e-mail] wrote:

> ...and where did the philosophy go?

Same place the light goes when you turn off the switch??

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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:14:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  23-07-01  (Crystal Devils [7])

Classic FOTD -- July 23, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Just after 7am this morning, after 5 days of intense effort, our
intrepid firemen extinguished the last burning car in the train
tunnel that stretches under the center of town.  Now it's a
matter of inspecting for structural damage to the tunnel, and
also the roads, buildings, storm drains, water mains, utility
lines etc. above, and doing repairs.  We are told that within a
month or so, things will be back to normal, and the cross-town
roads will once again be passable.  Until then, to get from the
east side to the west side, it will be necessary to go around,
which is nearly impossible because everyone else wants to do it,
and there are not enough roads.  Considering conditions on the
west side, some say this is a good thing.  I am neutral.
Fractals are far more fun.

Today's FOTD image, which appears to have several layers but
actually has only one, pictures another midget, this one lurking
in the fractal created by the formula:
      -1*(Z^(1.1))+Z^(-0.7)+(1/C).

This simple expression creates a fractal that consists of two
Mandeloids, a large, relatively undistorted figure, with a
smaller figure in its northwest suburbs.  The smaller figure is
quite distorted.

For today's FOTD, we dive into an arm of a star of a bud on the
southeast shore of the large figure.  Well, we don't actually
dive into the arm, we go directly to its tip.  Of course, the
point of the exact end of the arm exists in a fractal fuzziness,
which, like quantum objects, cannot be given a precise location.
One can come as close as they wish to the end of the arm, but
more precision will always show that it is possible to come even
closer.

In today's image, I have colored the outside parts with the
<fmod> option, an option which, as today's effort shows, I use
all too infrequently.  The smaller features in the picture
remind me of crystals; the large rusty-red background shapes
remind me of devils.  I therefore named the image "Crystal
Devils".  I rated it a 7 because I consider it above average.

With a render time in the 5-minute range, running the parameter
file is not too bad a choice, but in an hour or so the finished
GIF image will be available on the Web at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The download from there would be more efficient.

The fractal weather today was typical summer, with sunny skies,
a temperature of 86F 30C, and lazy cats.

It's now time for me to do some un-lazy work, so until next
time, take care, and fractals are just as good as we want them
to be.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:34:32 -0500
From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 22-07-01 (Silk and Satin [8+])

Andrew Coppin wrote:

> That is a pure 9 image. It's lovely!

Hear! Hear!

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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:08:07 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 22-07-01 (Silk and Satin [8+])

fortunately Jim's humility is exceeded only by his talent. ;-)

Jim Muth wrote:

> At 12:06 PM 7/23/01 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote:
>
> >Let me help you [rate the image]: That is a pure 9 image.
> >It's lovely!
>
> Andrew:
>
> Thanks for the praise.  Only my humility keeps me from admitting
> that it's true.  ;-)
>
> Jim M.
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:25:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  24-07-01  (Internet Spy program [6])

Classic FOTD -- July 24, 2001 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

BUG ALERT!!

Well, it's not actually a bug, but before getting into my
regular discussion, I must point out that today's parameter file
requires special attention before it will draw the correct
image.  To see today's image correctly, run the parameter file
as it is, but when the image is finished, do one maximum in-zoom
into the center.  You will then be viewing the correct image.
This extra step is necessary because the extreme magnitude of
the full-sized image causes strange and unpredictable
inaccuracies when the parameter file is directly written from it.

The very simple formula -1*(Z^(1.1))+Z^(-0.7)+(1/C) drew the
parent fractal, which consists of a large Mandeloid with a
smaller satellite nearby.  Today's scene lies way out at the tip
of the negative tail of the large Mandeloid.  Actually, it's not
really a negative tail, but only the center filament attached to
a period-2 bud.

Though the magnitude of the image is extreme, the maxiter is a
remarkably modest 256, making the logmap feature meaningless.
The small maxiter also makes the parameter file a very fast one,
which is a good thing, considering that two steps are necessary
to draw the correct image.

The name "Internet Spy Program" came about when I noticed the
many eye-like features surrounding the midget.  I had just
deleted 4 e-mails that wanted me to buy those learn-anything-
about-anyone internet 'spy' programs.  I rated the image a 6
because that's what I think it's worth.

Running the parameter file and zooming into the resulting image
may be the best way of viewing today's finished product.  The
image will also soon be available at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

though I cannot guarantee that the correct image will be posted.

The fractal weather today was the normal summer fare for this
part of the world.  The hot sun and 90F 32C degree temperature
had the fractal cats lazy but happy all day.

And it's time for me to get on with other projects, such as
watching TV.  I'm sorry about the inconvenience of the 2-step
parameter file, but it's one of those freaky things that will
probably never again be necessary.  Until tomorrow, take care,
and I wouldn't be surprised if the universe proved to be
composed of fractals.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:04:44 +0100
From: "Cerridwen Connelly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) saving files

Does anyone know how to (or if it is possible to) save frames from Fractint
as .JPG or .GIF?

When I attempt this on my Pentium II/Windows 98, and try to open the saved
images in Photoshop or PaintshopPro, they do not open.

Back when I was on a 386/windows3.1, it was possible to save files in these
formats (can't remember how though) and tweak them in a photo-editor program
or art program to obtain the effects on the website listed below.

I would like to continue doing this artwork:-)

Any help greatly appreciated.


Cerridwen
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:23:54 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) saving files

Cerridwen Connelly wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how to (or if it is
> possible to) save frames from Fractint
> as .JPG or .GIF?

Not as a JPEG format, but GIF has been the way for most all images since
the creation of FractInt.  Once the image has completed, just hit the
"S" (for Save) on your keyboard and it will be written to whatever
directory path you have specified for GIF files in your SSTOOLS.INI
file.  The first image file save will automatically be called
FRACT001.GIF and if you save any others, then they will be sequentially
numbered from there.

>
> When I attempt this on my Pentium II/
> Windows 98, and try to open the saved
> images in Photoshop or PaintshopPro,
> they do not open.

Which version/release/level of FractInt are you using??  And what is the
file that you are trying to open in your graphics editor??  How did you
create that image file??

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:23:39 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  21-07-01  (Iterative Serenade [5])

At 03:05 24/07/2001, Programmer Dude wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > ...and where did the philosophy go?
>
>Same place the light goes when you turn off the switch??

You mean the same place dropped Internet packets go?

Morgan L. Owens
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:08:19 +0100
From: "Cerridwen Connelly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) saving files

From: Paul N. Lee <[e-mail]>

> Cerridwen Connelly wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know how to (or if it is
> > possible to) save frames from Fractint
> > as .JPG or .GIF?
>
> Not as a JPEG format, but GIF has been the way for most all images since
> the creation of FractInt.  Once the image has completed, just hit the
> "S" (for Save) on your keyboard and it will be written to whatever
> directory path you have specified for GIF files in your SSTOOLS.INI
> file.

SSChoice.exe is the closest thing in the list of program parts to
SSTOOLS.INI (which isn't there at all).

>The first image file save will automatically be called
> FRACT001.GIF and if you save any others, then they will be sequentially
> numbered from there.

This FRACT001.GIF does not appear on the bar with flashing dos-like cursor.
Nothing appears until I type something in.
>
> >
> > When I attempt this on my Pentium II/
> > Windows 98, and try to open the saved
> > images in Photoshop or PaintshopPro,
> > they do not open.
>
> Which version/release/level of FractInt are you using??

20.0

>  And what is the
> file that you are trying to open in your graphics editor??

ONE.GIF

>  How did you
> create that image file??

I ran (for example) mandel, cycling and altering colours with Enter key,
then hit spacebar to capture a still, pressed s, and saved on that bar with
the blinking cursor as ONE.GIF

The error message in Photoshop reads: "could not open because the
file-format module cannot parse the file".


Cerri
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:59:00 -0400
From: "cybersue" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) saving files

Hello, Cerridwen (what a wonderful Celtic (?) name!) , The easiest way to do
what you want is perhaps to save just the frame layers as a separate UPR,
deleting all others (after saving, of course! :-)). Then render the frame
UPR using the "Render to disk" command! The result will be a jpg file which
you could then put into Photoshop and erase the center background black to
transparent to use as a second layer over your own photos! (I'm assuming
that's what you want to do?)

I hope my humble answer helps you a little bit! I believe every little bit
helps some! :-)

Sharon
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:02:24 -0400
From: "cybersue" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) saving files

So sorry, Cerridwen, I just realized that I was reading my "Fractint" mail,
not my "UltraFractal" mail! the solution I gave works in UF but I'm not
experienced enough to know is there is a similar procedure for Fractint! I'm
sorry I jumped too soon. Perhaps someone else on this list knows the answer
to this one. Good luck.

Sharon
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:58:26 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) saving files

Hi Cerridwen,


>
> I ran (for example) mandel, cycling and altering colours with Enter key,
> then hit spacebar to capture a still, pressed s, and saved on that bar with
> the blinking cursor as ONE.GIF

I see your problem, when you colour cycle and then hit space to pause you are
actually still in colour cycle mode in fractint (some video modes will
show this by having a white border oin the screen)  and when you hit
's' in colour cycle mode you actually end up saving the pallette (just the
colour set, not the image itself) which is in fractint's own .map format.

What you need to do is hit escape once after pausing the cycle, then
when you hit 's' it will save the image for you (without asking for a file name)

to go back into colour cycle mode hit 'c' to continue where you left off.


Hope this helps,
              Robin.

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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:31 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) saving files

Hi Cerridwen,

OK, problem solved!

As Paul said, pressing "s" will save the current fractint screen image as a .gif file in your Fractint directory (unless
another location was specified in sstools.ini).

However, as you were in colour cycling mode at the time, pressing "s" will save the colour palette as a ".map" file.
As you called the file "one.gif" this has overwritten the default ".map" extension.
Your graphics viewer could not open the "gif" file because it wasn't really a .gif file at all.

The way to do what you want is to hit "c" instead of spacebar to pause colour cycling, then press "Esc" to leave colour
cycling mode. Now press "s" to save the gif image. BTW, press "x" to get to the "basic options" screen. Here you can
change the savename of the gif file to whatever you want.

I hope you understood my garbled explanation.

cheers,

Les

> I ran (for example) mandel, cycling and altering colours with Enter key,
> then hit spacebar to capture a still, pressed s, and saved on that bar with
> the blinking cursor as ONE.GIF
>
> The error message in Photoshop reads: "could not open because the
> file-format module cannot parse the file".



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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:35:20 +0100
From: "Cerridwen Connelly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) thanks and another stupid question

Thank you Robin and Les!!!

It works  now:-)

Stupid question two:

I can't recall how to make the square box appear on the screen to crop the
fractal and "go in deeper". Does anyone know from this appalling description
what I am talking about and which keys to press?:-)

*This is my final stupid question, I promise:-)


Yn y Gwe,

Cerridwen
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:03:17 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) thanks and another stupid question

Hi again,

> I can't recall how to make the square box appear on the screen to crop the
> fractal and "go in deeper". Does anyone know from this appalling description
> what I am talking about and which keys to press?:-)

Use the "Page Up" key.
It's not easy to remember all the keystrokes for old-fashioned DOS apps is it!!

Help is at hand though... Just press "F1" while running Fractint to get all the on-line help you need!
The first help screen - four pages worth summarising the main commands - can be navigated using the cursor keys.
Press F1 again to get the main help mega index!

Have fun.

- - Les



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