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fractint-digest        Sunday, October 15 2000        Volume 01 : Number 500




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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:43:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  12-10-00  (It's the Pits [7])

FOTD -- October 12, 2000 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

While studying today's fractal, I had the impression of staring
down into a pit.  This is why I named the picture "It's the Pits"
- -- I did not choose the name because the image is unusually bad.
In addition to rating a 7, the image is a reasonably fast one,
taking only 2-1/2 minutes to render on one of those old-fashioned
200mhz Pentium machines.

The scene is that of a tortured midget that exists in the
Z^(1.195)+C fractal, at a location well out on the infinite
logarithmic spiral.  The parent fractal itself is also tortured
looking, and well worth a look.  Midgets in Mandeloids of such a
low order are exceedingly hard to find.  I stumbled upon today's
midget purely by accident while randomly zooming into unlikely
corners of the parent fractal.

Though the parameter file is fast, the download of the GIF image
file is even faster.  That download may be found at:

          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

and at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

The all-important? fractal weather today here at fractal central
was perfect.  Sunny skies and a temperature of 69F (20.5C) were
ideal for the cats, and a slow day gave me time not only to let
them outdoors all afternoon, but also to hunt and find those
elusive fractals.

The armchair philosophy continues on hiatus until I have some-
thing worth the effort it takes to write it.  But the philosophy
will inevitably return.  Until that time, the fractals will
prosper as I devote my full energies to fractaling.

I'll shut down the fractal shoppe at this time, but I'll return
in 24 hours with another outstanding fractal and a few words
about it.  Until then, take care, and fractals are like spirits.
We can see pictures of them while awake, but the originals appear
only in our dreams.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  13-10-00  (Much to my Chagrin [4])

FOTD -- October 13, 2000 (Rating 4)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's fractal is a disappointment.  When I found the location
where the midget lay buried, I thought that I was on the way to
a great fractal.  But something happened on the way down.  The
closer I came to the midget, the less promising the scene
became.  Maybe I went too deep, maybe I bungled the coloring,
maybe there's simply no great image to be had at this location.
Whatever the reason, I felt a letdown at the final result.

The expression that was calculated to draw the image is
11Z^(-1.15)-Z^(-11.5)+(1/C), which was calculated by the
MandelbrotMix4 formula, resulting in today's image.  The 8 or 9
rating I had originally expected was trimmed to a modest below-
average 4.  Then I named the picture "Much to my Chagrin".

It's an image with a deep blue color palette, with feathery
fronds poking in from the edges and graceful arcs curving at the
corners.  The description sounds good enough -- too bad the
image doesn't come up to its description.

With a render time of 8-1/2 minutes on a 200mhz Pentium, the
parameter file is not really worth the effort of formatting and
running it.  I recommend downloading the finished GIF image from:

          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

or from:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

The fractal weather today was absolutely perfect, with cloudless
deep blue skies and a temperature of 72F (22C).  The conditions
brought out the wanderlust in the cats, who kept me busy all day
letting them in and out.

And now it's time to once again shut down the fractal shoppe and
call it a night.  But I'll return on schedule tomorrow with a
better fractal and some words about higher dimensions.  Until
then, take care, and a great fractal makes an otherwise lousy
day seem not so bad.


Jim Muth
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|z| < l
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:34:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  14-10-00  (Interim [5])

FOTD -- October 14, 2000 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

The day turned out to be unexpectedly busy here at Fractal
Central today.  Faced with the choice of completing a job that
pays or finding an exceptional fractal, I chose to complete the
job that pays.

Thus I had to delve into the fractal archives to find a fractal
worthy of being crowned 'Fractal of the Day'.  Within 5 minutes
of delving, I found today's image, which mixes portions of
Z^(-11) and Z^(-1.1).  The image is actually a very lucky one.
Having failed once to qualify, it was given a second chance, and
like an olympic athlete, rose admirably to the occasion.

Eight months ago I named the picture "Interim".  I have no idea
why I gave it such a name -- perhaps the name was intended to be
a temporary one until I thought of a permanent one.  Regardless,
it's an acceptable image -- a bit too gaudy, but still fun to
look at.

The rating of a perfectly average 5 seems about right for this
image.  If I had had more time, I would have tried Fractint's
other outside coloring options on this picture.  Maybe I'll try
them when I get this FOTD posted.  More likely I'll settle down
to watch a junky old sci-fi movie from the 50's -- the kind they
don't make nowadays.

The 8-1/2 minute render time makes the download the better
choice.  That download may be found at:

          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

and at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

The crystal-clear fractal weather today here at Fractal Central
was a repeat of yesterday's perfection, but it was even more
perfect.  The temperature of 75F (24C) couldn't have been more
perfect for fractal cats who demand comfort.

That's it for today.  I'll return tomorrow with a fractal and
idle chatter.  Until then, take care, and fractals exist only
because we want them to.


Jim Muth
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:54:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD's  15-10-00  (Before and After [4+5])

FOTD -- October 15, 2000 (Rating 4+5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's fractal is in two parts.  The first part rates a 4; the
second, a 5.  I bunched the two images together and named them
"Before and After".

The two images show the result of a rotation in four dimensions.
The "Before" image shows a very typical midget in the Mandelbrot
set, with some Julia-like decorations surrounding it.  This
midget is situated deep in the East Valley area of the most
prominent midget on the west filament of the North Radical.

The "Before" picture is a pleasant enough scene, colored with a
rather Halloween-like palette.  But it's nothing outstanding --
we've seen dozens of similar images.  Because such images have
become hackneyed, I have been able to rate it at only a somewhat
below average 4.

The Mandelbrot set however is only one slice of a four-
dimensional object known as the Julibrot, and Mandel midgets are
actually four-dimensional holes scattered through the Julibrot
like holes in a hyperswiss cheese.  If we slice this hypercheese
in an absolutely perpendicular direction, we get the various
Julia sets, but what do we get when we slice through a midget in
some remote oblique direction?  We get what I call oblique
midgets, which can take any shape whatever.

The "After" image is centered at exactly the same C-coordinates
as the "Before" image.  The only difference is that the
direction of the slice has been double-rotated 60 degrees
through the fourth dimension.  The color scheme is exactly the
same, so that the same parts of the fractal appear in the same
colors in both images.

Instead of a nice neat Mandel midget, we now have an object that
resembles the sun about 1/4 risen above the horizon.  And the
nice nearly circular array of Julia-like features is still
there, but it has been transformed into a vaguely triangular
mass of misplaced elements.  Closer in toward the central hole,
the features become distorted beyond recognition.

This distortion is mild compared to the distortion that appears
when the midget is sliced at some other angles.  I might show
some of these even more distorted scenes in the near future, but
for now I feel we've given this little midget a hard-enough time
for one day.  After all, no one enjoys having their very worst
aspects made public.

The two fractals in the parameter file each render in less than
one minute.  With such a fast render time, running the parameter
file might be more efficient than downloading the two separate
images.  But for those who would prefer to download, the images
may be found at:


          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

and at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

The fractal weather today was absolutely perfect, with a blue
sky decorated with angel-hair cirrus, and a temperature of 80F
(26.5C) that brought out the best in the fractal cats.  The cats
spent several hours outdoors, enjoying the sunshine in their
middle years.

The philosophy still sleeps, but eventually it will awaken.  And
before long, I'll awaken and return with more wonders from the
world of fractals.  Until then, take care, and don't go into the
fourth dimension -- you may never get back out.


Jim Muth
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:05:33 -0500
From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal greeting cards

Looking for a greeting postcard with a fractal picture?

You can choose from several fractal pictures and many sentiments, and
add your own message to the postcard. You can even pick a song to go
with it. Best of all--it's free! Just in time for Sweetests Day, Oct. 21
in the States.

http://www.herenthere.com/fractals.html

Bob

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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:40:00 -0500
From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL

Free animated fractal greeting cards:

Forever Moments   http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html

Bob

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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:52:03 -0500
From: DeBow Freed II PhD <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Dear Bob,
<p>Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own and
the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed contribution!
<p>I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it to
you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the same response
among their acquaintances that I did this morning.
<p>First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this comment
at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer, and what
you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac people haves bundles
of additional images.
<br>And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or UltraFract-ist),
because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human behavior (albeit
lubricated by ethanol).
<p>Finally, a quick poll of my friends at <b>aol</b>, <b>yahoo</b> and
other free Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images
with <u>softer</u> <u>colors</u> and <u>less angular</u> <u>composition</u>
are more popular because they are perceived to be consistent with the content
of the sentiment, which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly.
Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to receive
an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in the middle of
a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of your "Picture" #8,
in the middle of the third row).
<p>My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more "inviting"
nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might be included
among the choices at the <b>herenthere</b> site. For example, Bob, the
image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set (#10 of 12)
uses a <u>softer palette</u> than all the others, and is - to me, at least
- - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a (let's say) hospitalized
recipient than are the others. Same comment for the images offered at the
<b>forevermoments</b> site.
<p>Think <b>rainbow colors</b> and <b>rounder shapes</b>. Think <b>boring</b>
- - which I know is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition
to the present images will be, I think, much more popular with the recipients,
less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing to the uninitiated,
and I think overall, much more useful.
<p><b>I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in Dallas<font size=+1>,</font>
and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! </b>However, the reponse was almost
universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were <u>consistently
more comfortable</u> with the softer-colors and less angular shapes, and
<u>often misinterpreted the combination of most of the sentiments and images
as "sarcastic" or "insulting"</u> (!!). Weird but true.
<p>A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was delighting
in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get well soon" with
some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and signing them "Jeffrey Dahmer",
"Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll let you guess the sex of that
group.
<p>Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately trying
to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on to the
available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to conveyed
that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic."
<p>Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue what
a fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and I
can appreciate what an incredible <i>tour-de-force</i> most of you proffered
images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities and
metallic palette of most are a turn-off.
<p>At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a gratuitous
comment and report to you of this morning's interesting (I thought) but
statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe all it represents is
the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's on a crowd with diverse
backgrounds and little familiarity with cutting-edge fractals imagery.
<p>It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images you
make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid cartoons and
Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's bandwidth. Just wondering
if you could toss in some of <u>your</u> more colorful (i.e., <u>primary</u>
colors), less angular images.
<p>Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for sharing
it with the rest of us.
<p>DeBow Freed
<br><[e-mail]>
<br>
<br>
<p>Bob Margolis wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Free animated fractal greeting cards:
<p>Forever Moments   <a href="http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html">http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html</a>
<p>Bob
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:34:57 -0400
From: Harry Bissell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL

Nah... there is enough "My Little Pony" images in the world now... and I
really have
had enough of "Silly Love Songs"....

There is no problem with angular shapes, hard metallic colors... its
just that WOMEN
shop in the Hallmark store, not men (no market there...) so production
favors kitch!

Give me the ultra hard razor sharp fractal greeting cards !!!  Death
Metal Forever !!!

H^)  (as)  Idi Amin, Uganda.

DeBow Freed II PhD wrote:

> Dear Bob,
>
> Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own and
> the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed contribution!
>
> I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it to
> you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the same
> response among their acquaintances that I did this morning.
>
> First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this comment
> at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer, and
> what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac people
> haves bundles of additional images.
> And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or UltraFract-ist),
> because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human behavior
> (albeit lubricated by ethanol).
>
> Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free
> Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images with
> softer colors and less angular composition are more popular because
> they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the sentiment,
> which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly.
> Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to
> receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in the
> middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of your
> "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row).
>
> My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more "inviting"
> nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might be
> included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example, Bob,
> the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set (#10 of
> 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at
> least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a (let's
> say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for the
> images offered at the forevermoments site.
>
> Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I know
> is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the
> present images will be, I think, much more popular with the
> recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing to
> the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful.
>
> I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in Dallas,
> and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was
> almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were
> consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less angular
> shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the
> sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird but
> true.
>
> A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was
> delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get
> well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and signing
> them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll let
> you guess the sex of that group.
>
> Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately trying
> to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on to
> the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to
> conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic."
>
> Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue what a
> fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and I
> can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you proffered
> images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities and
> metallic palette of most are a turn-off.
>
> At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a
> gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting (I
> thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe all
> it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's on
> a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with
> cutting-edge fractals imagery.
>
> It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images you
> make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid cartoons
> and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's bandwidth.
> Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful (i.e.,
> primary colors), less angular images.
>
> Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for
> sharing it with the rest of us.
>
> DeBow Freed
> <[e-mail]>
>
>
>
> Bob Margolis wrote:
>
>> Free animated fractal greeting cards:
>>
>> Forever Moments
>> http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:34:48 -0500
From: DeBow Freed II PhD <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL

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Harry-
<p>I agree.
<p>Give ME the angular shapes and great palettes, too.
<p>But please ALSO give me some of the ones the ladies (or <u>whoever</u>
has different taste than ours - not my sexist reference) seem to find less
threatening. It's not an all-or-none phenomenon (check out Bob's Galleries),
merely a comment & question about an observed sexually and otherwise
(e.g., also a function of exposure to fractals/PC's) dimorphic response
pattern, intended to ask about others' personal marketing- or neuro-physiologic
response.
<p>I can see where this is heading - let's not go there - <u>please re-read
Para's 3-4 of my original message.</u>
<p>DBF
<br>
<br>
<p>Harry Bissell wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Nah... there is enough "My Little Pony" images in
the world now... and I
<br>really have
<br>had enough of "Silly Love Songs"....
<p>There is no problem with angular shapes, hard metallic colors... its
<br>just that WOMEN
<br>shop in the Hallmark store, not men (no market there...) so production
<br>favors kitch!
<p>Give me the ultra hard razor sharp fractal greeting cards !!!
Death
<br>Metal Forever !!!
<p>H^)  (as)  Idi Amin, Uganda.
<p>DeBow Freed II PhD wrote:
<p>> Dear Bob,
<br>>
<br>> Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own
and
<br>> the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed contribution!
<br>>
<br>> I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it
to
<br>> you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the
same
<br>> response among their acquaintances that I did this morning.
<br>>
<br>> First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this comment
<br>> at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer,
and
<br>> what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac people
<br>> haves bundles of additional images.
<br>> And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or UltraFract-ist),
<br>> because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human behavior
<br>> (albeit lubricated by ethanol).
<br>>
<br>> Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free
<br>> Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images
with
<br>> softer colors and less angular composition are more popular because
<br>> they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the sentiment,
<br>> which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly.
<br>> Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to
<br>> receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in
the
<br>> middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of
your
<br>> "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row).
<br>>
<br>> My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more "inviting"
<br>> nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might
be
<br>> included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example, Bob,
<br>> the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set (#10
of
<br>> 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at
<br>> least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a (let's
<br>> say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for
the
<br>> images offered at the forevermoments site.
<br>>
<br>> Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I know
<br>> is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the
<br>> present images will be, I think, much more popular with the
<br>> recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing
to
<br>> the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful.
<br>>
<br>> I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in Dallas,
<br>> and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was
<br>> almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were
<br>> consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less angular
<br>> shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the
<br>> sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird but
<br>> true.
<br>>
<br>> A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was
<br>> delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get
<br>> well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and signing
<br>> them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll
let
<br>> you guess the sex of that group.
<br>>
<br>> Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately trying
<br>> to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on
to
<br>> the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to
<br>> conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic."
<br>>
<br>> Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue what
a
<br>> fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and
I
<br>> can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you proffered
<br>> images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities
and
<br>> metallic palette of most are a turn-off.
<br>>
<br>> At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a
<br>> gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting
(I
<br>> thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe
all
<br>> it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's
on
<br>> a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with
<br>> cutting-edge fractals imagery.
<br>>
<br>> It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images
you
<br>> make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid cartoons
<br>> and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's bandwidth.
<br>> Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful (i.e.,
<br>> primary colors), less angular images.
<br>>
<br>> Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for
<br>> sharing it with the rest of us.
<br>>
<br>> DeBow Freed
<br>> <[e-mail]>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Bob Margolis wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> Free animated fractal greeting cards:
<br>>>
<br>>> Forever Moments
<br>>> <a href="http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html">http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html</a>
<br>>>
<br>>> Bob
<br>>>
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:13:07 -0400
From: Harry Bissell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL

Ha Ha...

I usually lurk, seldom post.  So people probably don't know my sarcastic
sense of
humor (if that...).  Don't take my reply too seriously.

OTOH:  Watch that sexist reference "whoever has different taste than
ours..."  because
if we let out sexism (male / female), then we get into "Whatever" and
not whoever. Once we cross 'species' lines there is no telling where
this will go....     ;^)

H^)   harry



DeBow Freed II PhD wrote:

> Harry-
>
> I agree.
>
> Give ME the angular shapes and great palettes, too.
>
> But please ALSO give me some of the ones the ladies (or whoever has
> different taste than ours - not my sexist reference) seem to find less
> threatening. It's not an all-or-none phenomenon (check out Bob's
> Galleries), merely a comment & question about an observed sexually and
> otherwise (e.g., also a function of exposure to fractals/PC's)
> dimorphic response pattern, intended to ask about others' personal
> marketing- or neuro-physiologic response.
>
> I can see where this is heading - let's not go there - please re-read
> Para's 3-4 of my original message.
>
> DBF
>
>
>
> Harry Bissell wrote:
>
>> Nah... there is enough "My Little Pony" images in the world now...
>> and I
>> really have
>> had enough of "Silly Love Songs"....
>>
>> There is no problem with angular shapes, hard metallic colors... its
>>
>> just that WOMEN
>> shop in the Hallmark store, not men (no market there...) so
>> production
>> favors kitch!
>>
>> Give me the ultra hard razor sharp fractal greeting cards !!!  Death
>>
>> Metal Forever !!!
>>
>> H^)  (as)  Idi Amin, Uganda.
>>
>> DeBow Freed II PhD wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Bob,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own
>> and
>> > the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed
>> contribution!
>> >
>> > I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it
>> to
>> > you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the
>> same
>> > response among their acquaintances that I did this morning.
>> >
>> > First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this
>> comment
>> > at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer,
>> and
>> > what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac
>> people
>> > haves bundles of additional images.
>> > And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or
>> UltraFract-ist),
>> > because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human
>> behavior
>> > (albeit lubricated by ethanol).
>> >
>> > Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free
>> > Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images
>> with
>> > softer colors and less angular composition are more popular
>> because
>> > they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the
>> sentiment,
>> > which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly.
>> > Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to
>> > receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in
>> the
>> > middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of
>> your
>> > "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row).
>> >
>> > My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more
>> "inviting"
>> > nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might
>> be
>> > included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example,
>> Bob,
>> > the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set
>> (#10 of
>> > 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at
>> > least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a
>> (let's
>> > say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for
>> the
>> > images offered at the forevermoments site.
>> >
>> > Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I
>> know
>> > is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the
>> > present images will be, I think, much more popular with the
>> > recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing
>> to
>> > the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful.
>> >
>> > I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in
>> Dallas,
>> > and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was
>> > almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were
>> > consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less
>> angular
>> > shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the
>> > sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird
>> but
>> > true.
>> >
>> > A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was
>> > delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get
>>
>> > well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and
>> signing
>> > them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll
>> let
>> > you guess the sex of that group.
>> >
>> > Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately
>> trying
>> > to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on
>> to
>> > the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to
>> > conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic."
>> >
>> > Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue
>> what a
>> > fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and
>> I
>> > can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you
>> proffered
>> > images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities
>> and
>> > metallic palette of most are a turn-off.
>> >
>> > At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a
>> > gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting
>> (I
>> > thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe
>> all
>> > it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's
>> on
>> > a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with
>> > cutting-edge fractals imagery.
>> >
>> > It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images
>> you
>> > make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid
>> cartoons
>> > and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's
>> bandwidth.
>> > Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful
>> (i.e.,
>> > primary colors), less angular images.
>> >
>> > Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for
>> > sharing it with the rest of us.
>> >
>> > DeBow Freed
>> > <[e-mail]>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob Margolis wrote:
>> >
>> >> Free animated fractal greeting cards:
>> >>
>> >> Forever Moments
>> >> http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >>
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