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fractint-digest        Saturday, July 24 1999        Volume 01 : Number 401




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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:33:40 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) June parameter collection

Hi folks,

Even later than usual! -  the June par collection of postings to this mail
list is now available at:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm
(just the parameters)

or, if you prefer the pars with their original messages left intact you can get
this version:

http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm

Just 35 images this month :(

The updated formula collection (frac_ml.frm) is available from both sites.

cheers,
Les








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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:26:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Fargher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) xfractint problems

In fractint-digest V1 #400,  the suave and debonaire Phil McRevis
said:

> We have plans in place to improve the portability as well as the UI
> under unix/x11.  Look for this in two releases.  (Its a big job,
> will take a while.

  Oh boy, I can hardly wait!  I was having the exact same trouble
compiling xfractint as Scott was having; following your advice that
you gave him allowed me to compile it.

  Make install had a problem in that there was no pre-existing
/usr/local/bin/fractint directory and the make script didn't create
it.  Making that directory by hand allowed make install to run to
completion.

  I typed "xfractint" and two windows popped up, one the familiar
rolling credits window and the other a blank, black display window.
Pressing enter got me to the Main Menu.  Pressing 'del' to choose a
video display mode caused an immediate segfault. :-(((  Running as
root still resulted in a segfault.

  Darn.  I was hoping to be able to play with Fractint again. :-)

  I'm running Red Hat 6.0 with KDE.  My video card is a Matrox G200.
My CPU is an AMD K6-2 300 MHz.

  Any ideas?

Cheers,
Rob

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:40:13 GMT
From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Wallpaper

I have just one thing to say: Yeeeeesss!

Why? Vis:

wallpaper          { ; At last!
                     ; Correct aspect wallpaper!
  reset=1960 type=lambdafn function=sin passes=b
  corners=-3.141593/3.141593/-2.356194/2.356194 params=1/0.4 float=y
  maxiter=256 inside=255
  colors=00000z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3>0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>z
  zV<3\
  >VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3>hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S
  00<3\
  >SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3>SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>Q
  KSSK\
  SSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KSQKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<
  3>GG\
  0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8
  GE8G\
  G8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GFBGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<2>BGFBGGBFGB
  DGBC\ GKCC<6>FFF000<28>zzz000
}


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:10:18 -0500
From: "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:

On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, you wrote:
>=20
> Did you type 'make' or 'make install'?
>=20
Nope. The README file said nothing about typing 'make' and/or 'make
install'.  After the instructon to type 'make xfractint', the README goes
on to tell how to find out about what features are in the lastest realeas=
e
and how to get more formulas. It later explains how to create
fractint.doc. I was left with the impression that 'make xfractint' was al=
l
that was needed.

Scott Boyd

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:25:24 -0700
From: jerome schatten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

Same here running slackware 3.4. XFractint is one of the option
programmes that you can select during installation from the slackware
cd-rom. It installs and runs (yes it actually runs). However, pressing
DEL will not change the video mode -- it just simply starts the
programme running. The programme runs, I presume, in the video mode that
was selected when installing xwindows. Everything else seems to function
ok. So, if you're desperate for xfractint, you could try the slackware
distro ;-)

jerome

Robert Fargher wrote:
>
> In fractint-digest V1 #400,  the suave and debonaire Phil McRevis
> said:
>
> > We have plans in place to improve the portability as well as the UI
> > under unix/x11.  Look for this in two releases.  (Its a big job,
> > will take a while.
>
>   Oh boy, I can hardly wait!  I was having the exact same trouble
> compiling xfractint as Scott was having; following your advice that
> you gave him allowed me to compile it.
>
>   Make install had a problem in that there was no pre-existing
> /usr/local/bin/fractint directory and the make script didn't create
> it.  Making that directory by hand allowed make install to run to
> completion.
>
>   I typed "xfractint" and two windows popped up, one the familiar
> rolling credits window and the other a blank, black display window.
> Pressing enter got me to the Main Menu.  Pressing 'del' to choose a
> video display mode caused an immediate segfault. :-(((  Running as
> root still resulted in a segfault.
>
>   Darn.  I was hoping to be able to play with Fractint again. :-)
>
>   I'm running Red Hat 6.0 with KDE.  My video card is a Matrox G200.
> My CPU is an AMD K6-2 300 MHz.
>
>   Any ideas?
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
>
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> Date: 18-Jul-99
> Time: 23:15:55
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:18:55 -0500
From: "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Robert wrote:
>=20
>   I typed "xfractint" and two windows popped up, one the familiar
> rolling credits window and the other a blank, black display window.
> Pressing enter got me to the Main Menu.  Pressing 'del' to choose a
> video display mode caused an immediate segfault. :-(((  Running as
> root still resulted in a segfault.
>=20
>   Darn.  I was hoping to be able to play with Fractint again. :-)
>=20
>   I'm running Red Hat 6.0 with KDE.  My video card is a Matrox G200.
> My CPU is an AMD K6-2 300 MHz.
>=20
>   Any ideas?
When you get to the Main Menu, and 'select video mode' is hi-lited, just
press enter. That will start creating the default mandelbrot (or the
fractal you chose from the list) in the blank display window. On my
machine, the  fractal developes only in blue. Once I save it, and view it
with a gif viewer, it's in color, but it's not correct. There 3
overlapping images of the fractal. Something's not right.

I tried either 'del' or Shift-D (i don't remeber which), and my machine
just froze up. I ended up having to do a cold re-boot. The 'Shift-D' came
from the man page for xfractint. (There's alternate keys to use in Linux
listed under 'BUGS'.)

Good luck,=20
Scott Boyd
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:30:39 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

In article <[e-mail]>,
    Robert Fargher <[e-mail]>  writes:

> Pressing enter got me to the Main Menu.  Pressing 'del' to choose a
> video display mode caused an immediate segfault. :-(((  Running as
> root still resulted in a segfault.

There are no "video modes" under X11, so you don't need to set this.
(I haven't ever seen it SEGV when I did that, but it didn't do
anything useful either since there is no menu of video modes, etc.)
Use -geometry on the command line to change the dimensions of the
picture window or use -disk in conjunction with -geometry to set the
dimensions of the disk-video mode.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:32:48 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:

In article <99071909160000.12695@earth>,
    "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>  writes:

> and how to get more formulas. It later explains how to create
> fractint.doc. I was left with the impression that 'make xfractint' was all
> that was needed.

There is an install action in the makefile, you might want to try
that.  You may need to edit the makefile to adjust the install
location.  This is why I've proposed modifying xfractint to use
GNU autoconf.  The resulting configure script can handle install
locations and figure out the BSTRING business and so-on, without
making you edit .h files or makefiles.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:34:06 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

In article <[e-mail]>,
    jerome schatten <[e-mail]>  writes:

> The programme runs, I presume, in the video mode that
> was selected when installing xwindows.

As I said... X11 doesn't have a concept of a "video mode".  That's a
DOSism leftover in fractint.  Use the -geometry command line option
to get different sized graphic windows.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:37:53 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

In article <99071909311101.12695@earth>,
    "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>  writes:

> [...] On my
> machine, the  fractal developes only in blue.

This sounds like the well-known "my default visual isn't 8-bit
pseudocolor" problem.  Chances are you're X server is providing a
default visual in 16-bits or 24-bits per pixel or the default visual
isn't pseudocolor, but truecolor or directcolor.  Even if the default
depth is 8 bits, xfractint will still draw everything "blue" if the
default visual isn't pseudocolor.  I sent a patch to Tim for this
default visual problem.  It isn't the most efficient approach, but at
least it makes xfractint work on visuals besides 8-bit pseudocolor.
I'm not sure if that patch will be included in the next official
release or not.  I'm currently restructuring the fractint code to take
better advantage of the native graphics capabilities on non-DOS systems.
The current code just shoehorns everything into the DOS model, which
is why it behaves a little funky on X11.  Consult your X server's man
page for switches on setting the default visual.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:14:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) old magnetic1j

In Version 14 magnetic types of fractals were introduced in fractint. But=20
pictures computed with V14 or V15 looked different from those shown in=20
Peitgen=E2=80=99s book "The Beauty of Fractals" (BOF). Where BOF-fractals, (=
see Map=20
6 on page 46), contained circles, V14-fractals showed squares, they looked=20
sort of "edged". Those edged pictures were much more interesting than the=20
smooth ones in BOF so I kept them.=20
Years later when working with a version higher than 15, I tried to=20
recalculate some of the edged fractals because I wanted to change the video=20
mode. To my surprise all newly calculated magnetics were smooth. To make sur=
e=20
I yesterday downloaded the old versions 14.0, 15.13 and 16.11. The result:=20
between V15.13 and V16.11 (same as 16.1) somebody must have removed the bug=20
that made magnetic1j fractals edged! But why was it not mentioned in=20
fractint.doc?
Besides magnetic1j another type of fractals showed the same behavior: simple=20
Julias calculated with the function "Look for Finite Attractor=3Dyes". This=20
function was also introduced in V14.0. With V14 and V15 these Julias are=20
edged, calculated with V16 they are smooth.
If anybody wants to verify my findings I recommend to use V15 as it has the=20
user surface we all are used to whereas V14 is a nuisance.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:50:36 -0500
From: "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Phil wrote:
 > > [...] On my
> > machine, the  fractal developes only in blue.
>=20
> This sounds like the well-known "my default visual isn't 8-bit
> pseudocolor" problem.  Chances are you're X server is providing a
> default visual in 16-bits or 24-bits per pixel or the default visual
> isn't pseudocolor, but truecolor or directcolor. =20

Phil,

Yes, you are right. I start my xserver with: 'startx -- -bpp 16'. Looks
ugly with only 8-bit color.

Still, when I save a fractal as a .gif file, and then view it in 2 other
programs, it's doesn't look right. The basic mandelbrot is 3 mandelbrot
fractals, overlapping each other 50%, all on the X-axis. Also, there is a
multi-colored line down the middle of the image. This line is similar to
the one you see when saving a fractal image to disk in the DOS version.

If you want to see what I'm trying to explain, I can upload an image to m=
y
Website and send you the URL.

Scott

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:11:36 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

In article <99071917005504.12695@earth>,
    "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>  writes:

> Still, when I save a fractal as a .gif file, and then view it in 2 other
> programs, it's doesn't look right.

Xfractint is generally broken when run in a visual other than 8-bit
pseudocolor.  The only video mode that works in that situation is the
disk video mode.  If you use the '-disk' option and render the image
out to disk video and then save the image, it will look correct.
Otherwise, all bets are off.

> If you want to see what I'm trying to explain, I can upload an image to my
> Website and send you the URL.

Been there, done that, looked at the code and fixed it (sorta) ;-).

As I noted in my other message, I contributed a patch that at least
gets xfractint limping along on other visuals.  If your server is
providing an 8-bit pseudocolor (or any depth pseudocolor) visual, you
may be able to fake out xfractint by using Xnest to provide a server
whose default depth is 8 and default visual class is pseudocolor.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:29:05 -0500
From: "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint problems

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, you wrote:
>=20
> Xfractint is generally broken when run in a visual other than 8-bit
> pseudocolor.  The only video mode that works in that situation is the
> disk video mode.  If you use the '-disk' option and render the image
> out to disk video and then save the image, it will look correct.
> Otherwise, all bets are off.
>
I'll try the -disk option. I've used that before with the DOS version whe=
n
creating fractals larger than my screen size. Besides, in Linux, I can't
see the 256-color fractal till it's done anyway, so might as well use the
- -disk option.  :-)

  > > If you want to see what I'm trying to explain, I can
upload an image to my > > Website and send you the URL.
>=20
> Been there, done that, looked at the code and fixed it (sorta) ;-).
>=20
OK, just thought I'd mention it.

Thanks again for the help!

Scott

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:57:14 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) old magnetic1j

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:14:33 EDT, you wrote:

>In Version 14 magnetic types of fractals were introduced in fractint. =
But=20
>pictures computed with V14 or V15 looked different from those shown in=20

have you tried adding=20
RESET=3D1400
to the par yet?

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:27:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) old magnetic1j

In einer eMail vom 20.07.1999 12:01:12 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerze schreibt
[e-mail]:

> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:14:33 EDT, you wrote:
>
>  >In Version 14 magnetic types of fractals were introduced in fractint. But
>  >pictures computed with V14 or V15 looked different from those shown in
>
>  have you tried adding
>  RESET=1400
>  to the par yet?
>
Yes I tried both RESET=1400 and RESET=1500, but the pictures were still
"19.5-like"

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:15:14 +0200
From: "Ton Koppens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) A question and some pars

Recently there has been some talk on this list about a new version of
Fractint. Is there already more known about this. (When, new options,
etc?????).

Since the birth of my daughters a year ago I have not found much time to
play around with fractals, but here are a few examples of the recent past.
Comments are, as always, welcome.

Greetings,

Ton



===========================================================================


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                     ; CalcTime   0:00:05.99 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 21 Mar 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm
  formulaname=InverseJuliaFnFn function=sin/sqr
  center-mag=0.650814/-0.595993/3.205128
  params=0.9/0.003/0.02/0.027782 float=y maxiter=647 inside=maxiter
  decomp=256 distest=1/71/800/600 biomorph=1 finattract=y
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  FC<5>hFDbIJhGD<5>fGEiNNeGF<5>dHGqSRcHG<5>bIHsXWaIH<5>`JIvaa_JJ<5>YJKr__Y\
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  ZZaPPr__s__
  }

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                     ; Image Copyright 05 Apr 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=tanh
  center-mag=-0.417397/1.91119/2.723311 params=1/0.5 float=y
  maxiter=647 bailout=890 bailoutest=or inside=bof60 outside=atan
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
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99040507           { ; CalcTime   0:08:33.94 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 06 Apr 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=tanh passes=t
  center-mag=-0.40426881987844960/+1.78397107658118800/71.51553/1/0/-17.74\
  4 params=1/0.5 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=890 bailoutest=or
  inside=bof60 outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=0637_c<6>8dj<17>zwz<10>ytrysqyspyroyrn<3>ytnytoyuoyupyvp<4>yxr<9>\
  Jdt<22>xnrzoqzoo<13>sgErfBreAre9<19>c64b43a23`02`02<8>_39_3A_3AZ3A<61>00\
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  }

99040601           { ; CalcTime   0:00:13.13 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 06 Apr 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_f.frm formulaname=FB_Halley_M42
  center-mag=-1.602/-1.09182/2.380952 params=1/0.5/2/1.5/0.03/1.2
  float=y maxiter=647 outside=summ decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=TTiW`M<6>zzg<16>56P<47>tmyvnzvny<45>F88<4>TIOWLR_QW<4>sotzuw<4>MS\
  U<6>0A5<15>cur<15>444<2>965B76C77E78<2>K8BM8CO9DQAE<3>YCIZDJ`FL<12>xccze\
  ezee<14>zee<2>pYYmWWlXW<6>`fYQQf<9>00A<3>DIPNTGRXJ
  }

99071901           { ; colors based on a map by Jacco Burger
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:14.44 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 19 Jul 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=phoenixcplx center-mag=-0.195244/1.03673/3.205128
  params=0.2/1/0.3/1/0 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=16
  inside=epsiloncross decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=zzzGGA<5>992<8>UM0XO0YQ2<15>xwc<15>ZQBXN9UL8TL8<6>HGFFFGFGH<3>IJK\
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  }

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                     ; Image Copyright 19 Jul 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=marksmandelpwr function=sin
  center-mag=0.0398962/0.637204/33.21631/1/0/3.052 params=1/0.6
  float=y maxiter=647 bailout=50 bailoutest=manr inside=bof61
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000UH7<8>aOAaOBbPBbPCcQC<5>eTFeTFeTGeTGeUH<5>dUJdUKdUKcULcULbUM<4\
  >_SOZSOYRPXRPXQQWQQ<9>MKULJUKIVJHVHHW<12>67Z57Z46_45_35_24_<5>02`01`01`0\
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  _NR`NRaORaPQbPQcQP<4>eSNeSNeTMeTMeTL<6>dUIdUHdUHcUHcUGbUG<2>aTE`TE_SDZSD\
  ZSC<11>NL8MK7LJ7KI6JI6<12>782682572562461351351241<5>010010010000000000<\
  4>100100100200200300<2>410510620721721<9>H83I93J93KA4LB4MB4<6>TH6
  }










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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:02:28 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) A question and some pars

In article <000201bed2ec$a25a6320$[e-mail]>,
    "Ton Koppens" <[e-mail]>  writes:

> Recently there has been some talk on this list about a new version of
> Fractint. Is there already more known about this. (When, new options,
> etc?????).

Tim would be the one to answer when the version will come out.  The
one big new feature I'm aware of in the next release is the 'evolver',
which lets you explore the fractal parameter space in a manner similar
to the KPT texture explorer.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:51:46 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) A question and some pars

Tom and Rich wrote:

> > Recently there has been some talk on this list about a new version of
> > Fractint. Is there already more known about this. (When, new options,
> > etc?????).
>
> Tim would be the one to answer when the version will come out.  The
> one big new feature I'm aware of in the next release is the 'evolver',
> which lets you explore the fractal parameter space in a manner similar
> to the KPT texture explorer.

We will have a public beta out in the next week or so. I am finding
time these days only on the weekends, so some times it takes a
while to do even simple things (sigh!). All I need to do is massage
"what's new" into the docs. If at all all possible I'll do it this
weekend, but I can't promise.

We will simultaneously publish a DOS fractint, a smaller float-only
version of the DOS fractint, and an Xfractint version. This will be a
"public beta" of version 20, because we intend to have a period of
time to clean up bugs and problems before releasing 20.

This is an evolutionary version, not revolutionary, but it does have a
number of interesting new features, including Robin's evolver (as
Rich said). Tell you what, though, I'd rather not answer questions
about what is in the upcoming version. It's not that I'm impolite, but
I'm sure you'd rather have me use my limited time to get it out the
door than to answer what's in it and never release it :-)

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:18:56 +0200
From: Theo Bakker <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Few questions..

Hai guys,

I'm a relatively new user from Holland. At the moment I'm writing a
dutch manual for use at the "EFA" (Educatieve faculteit Amsterdam).
(Obviously I'm unscrupulously making use of the terrific english manual,
but hoping to add some mathematical creativity in some appendices)
Anyway. I hope you can help me with the next, purely practical and
probably trivial questions:

* I am using a HP deskjet 690C printer. Up to now I didn't manage to get
reasonable printouts with it. The only thing that seems to work is
setting "printer=HP", but then no colour at all is used (except a
TERRIFIC load of black, never mind wich colour map I'm loading).

* For some reason I'm not able to change the "maxhistory" parameter.
I both tried "maxhistory=20" and "maxhistory=<20>", but in both cases
FractInt just replies with a gentle "Oops, I couldn't understand the
argument" ....

Anyway, probably more questions will arise during the next week or so, I
hope you guys won't be annoyed by it. By the way: FractInt is quite
addictive. It allmost beats Chess at that. In my case, that's really
making life into a mess. I don't shave. Take a shower once a month. See
my wife once a week (for 15 minutes at most).

But having great fun in the process!

Theo.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:36:11 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Few questions..

At 01:18 PM 7/22/1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Hai guys,


>* I am using a HP deskjet 690C printer. Up to now I didn't manage to get
>reasonable printouts with it. The only thing that seems to work is
>setting "printer=HP", but then no colour at all is used (except a
>TERRIFIC load of black, never mind wich colour map I'm loading).

One work around which I tend to use is to simply save the fractal as a .gif
image (hit "s"). Then either I print it out from the associated program,
such as PSP or LViewPro, or copy it into a word processor such as Word
Perfect and print it from there - depending on the usage I am making of it.
There are other ways, especially within fractint, but someone else can
write about that more clearly.

 It allmost beats Chess at that.

Heh. Until you obtain Fritz 5.32, Hiarcs 7.32, Junior 5.0, Nimzo '99, and
so on...and that also depends on what you use those for. (Hiarcs 7.32 even
learns! - but that has nothing to do with fractals...   :)  )



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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:01:17 +0200
From: "kanak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) ciao a tutti!

just one little prob ...

    "golem" is a Lsystem.
    if I set order=9 it renders the image downshifted
    someONEs knows WHY ?
    [using FRACTINT 19.6 (with "LOSEDOWS" 98)]

- ------------------------------------------------------------------
golem {

 angle 16
 axiom ++++t--e--u--i--p--i--u--e

 t=<1b+zes++b+i+b++sez+b
 u=<1b+++e+i+e+++b
 p=<1a+zis++b+e+b++siz+a

 a=<1fefsasfef
 b=<1fzbzf

 e=<1ff+++a++++++++++a+++ff
 i=<1ff---a----------a---ff

 z=<1f++f--f--f++f
 s=<1f--f++f++f--f
}
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

kanak

- ------------------------------------------------------------------
pets.par from ROMA:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
ant-revenge        { ; ant
  reset=1960 type=ant passes=b corners=-1/1/-1/1
  params=12.0/1234567890.0/123.0/1.0/1.0/0.0 float=y maxiter=32000
  inside=0

colors=000q4A<3>r5As69s7A<9>vLRwNTwNT<17>w5XlHi<9>_9jpKgoJenIcaEkN8m81pl\

Nj<7>HnuqKj<5>yMroMg<12>bq5pKi<21>t7hoMg<15>Nq2T9EoKi<17>U3ioKi<9>_NrqMd\

<5>wa9HRFpJi<7>i3doKi<16>YGtnMe<6>YbAoKh<19>M3FcGi<2>01kpNi<9>ft_pIe<5>o\
  5IoLgo3En0A<10>q3A
  }
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:16:36 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) ciao a tutti!

In article <001901bed535$5f86b800$473f1597@marco>,
    "kanak" <[e-mail]>  writes:

>     "golem" is a Lsystem.
>     if I set order=9 it renders the image downshifted
>     someONEs knows WHY ?

You already have float=y, which is my only suggestion.  When rendering
L-systems with integer math, lots of times the picture is hosed.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:54:27 +0200
From: "kanak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) RIGHT!

QUES [kanak <[e-mail]>]
> "golem" is a Lsystem.
> if I set order=9 it renders the image downshifted
> someONEs knows WHY ?

ANSW [Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>]
> You already have float=y, which is my only suggestion.  When rendering
> L-systems with integer math, lots of times the picture is hosed.

OK! OK! OK! ... thank you Phil

kanak
$_ = join "", reverse (split /\s+|[A-Z]|'/,
"hacker'S - lONG perIOD - rUN'TILL theY'LL noTICE a - stRAWBERRY juICE");
s/\-/ /gi and s/([jp])/\u$1/gi and print;





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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 02:16:41 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Few questions..

Theo Bakker wrote:
>
> * For some reason I'm not able to change the "maxhistory" parameter.
> I both tried "maxhistory=20" and "maxhistory=<20>", but in both cases
> FractInt just replies with a gentle "Oops, I couldn't understand the
> argument" ....
>

I have it set to twice the default amount in my SSTOOLS.INI file:

            MAXHISTORY=20

And it has no problems keeping the information on that many for me.

P.N.L.
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