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fractint-digest        Wednesday, June 9 1999        Volume 01 : Number 396




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Date: 1 Jun 99 02:02:42 MDT
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ]

Phil McRevis <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Attached below are two source files, which are fairly short.

> Neither of which have anything to do with fractint.  Paul, please make
> sure your posts are relevant before you post...


This nastygram was utterly uncalled-for.

The list maintainers have made it clear time and again that anything
fractal-related is welcome here, if it is civil of course and not a massi=
ve
binary attachment.

Witness a recent flurry of discussion about Flarium, another about Ultra
Fractal, several on the merits of freeware versus $$$ware, some on
copyrighting fractals, and so forth.

Moreover, the article I posted (and the two subsequent ones on related to=
pics)
may have everything to do with futurte directions in fractint development=
,
especially as applied to truecolor, 32-bit development, and to future fil=
e
formats and truecolor coloring mechanisms.

Depending on just what the developers choose to do with the source codes =
and
the file format descriptions and suchlike.

The source code demonstrates ways to get passes=3Dg, b, t doing something=
 useful
with truecolor images based on iterations. They also provide a basic M-se=
t
inner loop for 32-bit calculation as well as a reasonable image-memory-st=
orage
paradigm for 32-bit development.

The file formats (which are to be taken as early drafts and not the Gospe=
l)
provide a format that can be independent of image formats (and copyrights=
) or
worked into PNG; a format that can become some sort of standard across
software and machine architectures; and a format that will allow signific=
ant
experimenting with and tuning of the (true-)colors of a fractal image wit=
hout
the need to regenerate the image.


Now, I am not normally the paranoid type, but I have reason to suspect yo=
u
issued the above flame not because of my inoffensive posting's content (w=
hich
you could freely ignore if it did not iterest you) but instead because of=
 its
authorship. If this speculation is true, it does not reflect well upon yo=
ur
ethical and intellectual integrity that you would allow your publically-p=
osted
response to an article be influenced chiefly by its origin and not by its=

content. Content stands or falls on its own merits without reference to i=
ts
origin. Even if certain authors (I am not such a one) do produce a large
proportion of content that falls on its face with lack of objective merit=
, if
that same author produces a stunning article of wisdom or meaningfulness =
it is
not automatically garbage regardless because of that author's past histor=
y! It
may well be particularly suspect until it is read but then it should stan=
d or
fall on its own merit once again.

I suspect I may know the reason behind this out-of-left-field attack, as =
well,
and if I am correct it is not entirely your fault. Several years ago, in =
my
general ethical and rational conducting of my affairs and my verbose supp=
ort
for others adopting a similar standard of conduct, I ran afoul of an elit=
ist
clique on the university campus whose agenda was threatened by my ideas. =
One
of them, an advanced psych student, appears to have concocted a kind of "=
meme
plague" capable of coercing people into developing an unfounded and irrat=
ional
antagonism towards anyone named "Paul Derbyshire" in such a subtle manner=
 as
to creep past a person's conscious safeguards against blind acceptance of=

propaganda and dogma and rumor. Unfortunately, this led to the clique
developing a peculiar cult following of people who were, for all intents =
and
purposes, not themselves. This cult developed enough social clout to rend=
er me
a virtual pariah which I actually still am, despite the original clique's=

fragmenting and self-destructing as such ill-formed and evil organization=
s
tend to do. Although the "meme virus" tends to be rejected by the host's
conscious reason after a few days to a few months, a lot of damage was do=
ne
and the "virus" seems to keep reappearing like the yearly flu.

As evidence that this "meme virus" is capable of what I claim it does, an=
d is
not a more ordinary kind of propagandizing, I bring to bear two facts.
1. The content of the propaganda or whatever is the viral carrier may
   change and the underlying effect remains the same. It seems almost to
   be transmitted subliminally without the use of specific words. As it
   can transfer over the net in text-only media, which has been witnessed=

   to occur, it obviously lurks in hidden patterns or things like tone
   and word choice as well as the occasional actual, explicit derogatory
   remark against myself.
2. Persons whose character is demonstrably such that they simply do not
   blindly believe any propaganda or rumor they hear are still affected.

I suspect you have perhaps become infected by some descended variant of i=
t
yourself. It appears to have spread quite far, carrying with it a vague,
unfounded antagonism towards anyone the victim might later meet who happe=
ns to
carry my name. Don't bother consciously trying to purge it. As far as I h=
ave
gathered its behavior is totally subliminal and immune to conscious detec=
tion
or control, like a fog distorting one's perception of a single person. Mi=
ght
as well rail against a stroke-induced paralysis.

However, your occasional negative remarks are not truly your fault if my
speculation here is true, and moreover, you will recover in weeks and pro=
bably
be immune afterwards for months or years.



Meanwhile, I shall be much more careful in future when (accidentally or
deliberately) crossing swords with someone who has expertise in applied
psychology and appears unethical enough in character to use it in such a
malicious fashion.


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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:39:52 +0200
From: "Randall Britten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Largest minibrot

Which is the largest Minibrot (midget) in the Mandelbrot?

This one?

LargestMinibrot    {
  reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.76395/-0.000753836/34.36415
  params=0/0
  }


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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:27:39 -0300
From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ]

Paul Derbyshire wrote :

>>>The list maintainers have made it clear time and again that anything
>>>fractal-related is welcome here, if it is civil of course and not a
massive
>>>binary attachment.

>>> [massive text snipped]

Not necessarily binary. Paul, the first half of your response does comply
with
the above, but the rest... Three words : USE PRIVATE EMAIL

>>>tend to do. Although the "meme virus" tends to be rejected by the host's
>>>conscious reason after a few days to a few months, a lot of damage was
done
>>>and the "virus" seems to keep reappearing like the yearly flu.
>>> [snip]

And this ain't VIRUS-L, either ;-)

Regards,
Miguel Fliguer
Buenos Aires, Argentina

P.S.: Back to fractint, you once mentioned the 'n' command to get the
complex
plane coordinates. I can't find it on my v19.6 copy. Is this a v20 feature ?
Thanks in advance.

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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:20:08 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ]

The list's charter has been revised since the last time I looked at it,
and indeed is broader than just discussion of fractint.  Since I was
the one who had the list created on XMission for Tim, I probably joined
the list before Tim even had a chance to write the existing charter;
mea culpa.
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:01:18 +0200
From: "Randall Britten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: 1/f scaling noise

I tried to answer your question, but in doing further reading, I have
realised that I understand it less than I thought.

I posted the following message on the sci.fractals newsgroup, I will let you
know if there is a decent reply:

<QUOTE>
What is fractal noise? What is an example of an algorithm that acurately
generates such signals?
How does one generate a signal such that its fractal dimension is a
predetermined value (e.g. 1.3)?
I understand that if the fourier transform of a signal is 1/f^n then the
signal "scales" i.e. the fourier transform of the signal "played" faster or
slower has the same 1/f^n FT, except that it is "louder/softer".
But is the only type of fractal signal one that has an FT of 1/f^n? If so,
do all signals with 1/f FT have the same fractal dimension?
</QUOTE>

There is a Freeware fractal music program at the following URL:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/

It has a page describing algorithms, and one of them is a formula for
generating an approximate 1/f sequence.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/algorith.html

I know that is not the complete answer you are looking for, but I hope that
it helps.

- -------------------------
Randall Britten




- -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Barry N Merenoff
Sent:    Thursday 27 May 1999 15:10
To:    [e-mail]
Subject:    (fractint) Re: 1/f scaling noise

A while ago I sent in two questions about 1/f scaling noise. Does anybody
have answers?

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:56:49 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ]

Let me clarify what is and is not on topic.


Paul's original post that started this thread was fine. The topic is
fractint and fractals, and I don't require that all posts be fractint-
related. Rich (a.k.a Phil) made an innocent mistake in this regard,
which he has acknowledged.


I do feel that we don't want a lot of source code here, because it is
probably of limited interest, but at this point code is not off topic,
so Paul's posting was acceptable.


There is a fractint developer's list (fractdev) that is better for source
code posting or implementation discussions. This is a pretty quiet
list usually. I haven't promoted it much because I imagined
originally it would be for serious fractint developers, but enough
people have discovered this list I see no reason to keep it a poorly-
kept secret.


Paul's response to Rich about conspiricies, viruses, etc. was way
off topic. Everyone, PLEASE spare the list that kind of thing. If you
have to vent, do so via private email.


Tim Wegner




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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:01:52 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Largest minibrot

At 11:39 01.06.99 +0200, Randall Britten wrote:
>Which is the largest Minibrot (midget) in the Mandelbrot?
>
>This one?
>
>LargestMinibrot    {
>  reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.76395/-0.000753836/34.36415
>  params=0/0
>  }
>
Sure. And it has the lowest period, too.

Speaking of midgets: Jay, how did you get the coordinates for your midget
and Misiuriewicz par files? I tried to calculate the roots with Newton's
method, but found them only up to period 4 without errors (in Fractint and
an own program). But for your p23 midgets, the polynomial would be of
4194303th order!


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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:46:23 +0200
From: Thore Berntsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ]

Hi Tim.

The developers list seems interesting. Can anyone join, and if yes how?

Thore Berntsen
Norway


    -----Original Message-----
    From:    Tim Wegner [SMTP:[e-mail]]
    Sent:    2. juni 1999 01:57
    To:    [e-mail]
    Subject:    Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ]

    Let me clarify what is and is not on topic.

    Paul's original post that started this thread was fine. The
topic is  fractint and fractals, and I don't require that all posts be
fractint- related. Rich (a.k.a Phil) made an innocent mistake in this
regard,  which he has acknowledged.

    I do feel that we don't want a lot of source code here, because
it is  probably of limited interest, but at this point code is not off
topic,  so Paul's posting was acceptable.

    There is a fractint developer's list (fractdev) that is better
for source  code posting or implementation discussions. This is a pretty
quiet  list usually. I haven't promoted it much because I imagined
originally it would be for serious fractint developers, but enough
people have discovered this list I see no reason to keep it a poorly-
kept secret.

    Paul's response to Rich about conspiricies, viruses, etc. was
way  off topic. Everyone, PLEASE spare the list that kind of thing. If
you  have to vent, do so via private email.

    Tim Wegner





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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:56:03 -0400
From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: 1/f Scaling Noise

Thank you, Randall Britten!

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 03:27:27 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Some pars

The consequenes of my most recent bit of dickering...

Gothic             { ; Colours by Sylvie Gallet
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b
  center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023
  inside=255 outside=atan periodicity=0
  colors=uuteS5<29>O31N20O41N20<10>Q72R82R82S93TA3<14>gQ5hR5iS4<3>mW3nX2nX\
  2nY2<6>rc0rc0rb0<4>pZ1pY1oX2nX2<11>aL4`K4ZI3<2>UG3SG4QF4OF5ME5<2>GC6DB7D\
  B7<74>ssrttsttstts<11>vvtwwuwwt<9>wwgwwfwvevud<4>tqZtpYsoXsnVrmUrmT<22>e\
  S5uus cyclerange=1/254
  }

Faberge            { ; Colours by Linda Allison
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b
  center-mag=0.250195/1.38778e-016/5.72659/1/90 params=0.5/0/0/0
  float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan periodicity=0
  colors=0003eZ<16>2DC2BA2BA<12>111000000000<14>000500500<26>iB3<8>xeKziMy\
  fL<7>kF5iB3fA3<8>911500000<12>000000011021<12>3CA3CA3B9<15>000000021<4>3\
  CA4FC5JF<10>Fte<14>155012000<15>4zn<2>4pe4lb4h_3dX3`U<8>022<13>4zp<11>3f\
  `000 cyclerange=1/254
  }

PhosphorescentTide {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=simplependulumg function=cosxx
  center-mag=-5.55112e-016/-1.11022e-016/0.6666667/2.2889
  params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan
  passes=b
  colors=000298<9>11100000000000000000900J00000K009000<102>000000276<7>011\
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  8>022<13>4zp<14>3bW3`V3ZU3XS3WR<10>2DC2BA2BA2A9299000
  cyclerange=1/254
  }

I_Dunno_What_it_is { ; Um... a cybernetic Orang-utan?
                     ; Colours by Kerry Mitchell
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=simplependulumg function=cosxx
  center-mag=-0.490438/1.15415/9.226443/0.9515/34.438/-32.851
  params=1.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan
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Maelstrom          { ; Story by Edgar Allen Poe
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  formulaname=simplependulumg function=cotanh
  center-mag=-0.56294/0.762463/4.219409 params=1.5/0/0/0 float=y
  maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan periodicity=0
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  }

frm:SimplePendulumG{
bailout=real(p2)+4
dt=real(p1)
z=pixel
pi2=Pi+Pi:
x=real(z)
y=imag(z)
z=x+y*dt+flip(y+fn1(pi2*x)*dt)
|z|<=bailout}



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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:21:09 -0400
From: JoWeber <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) updated site

Hi All,

today I added a new section to my site called
"Friends and their work".
You can dl the latest work of Bob Carr ( 43Hcarr - 43Kcarr ) and take
a view of the images via thumbnails.
You can also dl the latest work of Lee Skinner.
- --Jo--

http://www.joweber.de

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:04:17 -0500
From: "Earl Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) updated site

Jo,

Too often we take too much for granted, and never pause to say "Thank You"
to people that make a part of life more enjoyable.  Such is the case on my
part with respect to your outstanding effort and great website.

I have throughly enjoyed downloading and reproducing the images from the
pars which other great folks have allowed you to post, as well as your own.

Again THANK YOU, and thanks to the people that allow you to post their pars,
for all that you do for the rest of us.

Earl Simpson




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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:23:30 -0400
From: JoWeber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) updated site

Hi Earl,

many thanks for your very kind words.

- --Jo--

http://www.joweber.de
Hagen (Germany)

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:06:18 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Some pars

At 03:27 AM 6/3/1999 +1200, you wrote:
>The consequenes of my most recent bit of dickering...

I especially liked:

Faberge            { ; Colours by Linda Allison
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b

Cheers,

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:38:14 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Some pars

At 13:06 03/06/99 -0400, davides wrote:
>
>I especially liked:
>
>Faberge            { ; Colours by Linda Allison
>  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
>  formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b
>
>Cheers,
>
You're welcome.

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Date: 5 Jun 99 08:45:43 MDT
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX.

To everyone on all of these mailing lists. DO NOT open unsolicited or
otherwise suspicious attachments. Not Word files or executables, or Excel=

files. If you must, scan them first with antivirus software. Update your
antivirus software so it recognizes "Pretty Park".


This one spreads much like the Happy99 worm or Melissa. Worse, once insta=
lled
it allows unauthorized access to one's computer like Netbus or Back Orifi=
ce,
by talking to the virus author on IRC.

I felt it prudent to warn you guys, since two of the lists got dinged wit=
h
Happy99...

Read about it from the source.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/276805.asp


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Date: 5 Jun 99 10:51:25 MDT
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX.]

"Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> OFF TOPIC!!!!!!

I don't agree. I think it prudent to warn the list, after seeing the list=
 get
dinged with Happy99 a few months ago. We really don't want a repeat of th=
at,
especially since this new worm has the capacity to be far more dangerous =
than
Happy99.

(What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?)


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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 11:55:36 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX.]

In article <[e-mail]>,
    Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>  writes:

> I think it prudent to warn the list [...]

LOL.  If I had a nickel for every time I was "warned" of impending
virus doom I'd be a millioinaire.  The warning here assumes things
like: everyone is running a windows PC, everyone opens executable
attachments and runs them automatically, etc., etc.  Yes, viruses pose
real dangers if you don't treat internet mail with attachments as
suspect.  But pulling a chicken little every time a new virus comes
out doesn't help either.  Viruses come and go and it is the
responsibility of each user to pay attention to what they are doing or
reap the potentially nasty consequences.  If you play with fire, you
might get burned.  Caveat emptor, etc., etc.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:09:50 -0700
From: John Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Off topic????

Saturday, June 05, 1999, 3:51:25 AM, Paul wrote:

PD> "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> OFF TOPIC!!!!!!

I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all*
the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim.
Both Philofractal and Fractint seem to have died to one or two
messages per diem.   This is correct?

PD> (What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?)

Is someone else having the same problem?

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Date: 5 Jun 99 19:40:35 MDT
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX.] ]

Phil McRevis <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Viruses come and go and it is the responsibility of each user to pay
> attention to what they are doing or reap the potentially nasty
> consequences.  If you play with fire, you might get burned.  Caveat
> emptor, etc., etc.

This thing can spread via mailing lists very easily. And appear to come f=
rom a
trustworthy person on a trustworthy mailing list. And therefore it is rat=
her
insidious. Remember the incident with Happy99 on here? We don't want a
repeat... Nor do we want to lambast someone for posting a binary attachme=
nt in
the event they unwittingly got infected and did *not* in fact choose to p=
ost
an attachment. The guy who got zonked with Happy99 on here got zonked aga=
in
with some flames for his involuntary posting of it on the list shortly
thereafter.

It's best that none of us, least of all the list administrator, operate i=
n an
information vacuum...


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Date: 5 Jun 99 19:47:31 MDT
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Message lossage?

John Wilson <[e-mail]> wrote:
Saturday, June 05, 1999, 3:51:25 AM, Paul wrote:

> PD> "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>> OFF TOPIC!!!!!!

> I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all*
> the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim.
> Both Philofractal and Fractint seem to have died to one or two
> messages per diem.   This is correct?

> PD> (What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?)

> Is someone else having the same problem?

It's starting to look that way. Tim, any idea what's up?


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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:34:03 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Message lossage?

At 19:47 05/06/99 MDT, you wrote:
>John Wilson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Saturday, June 05, 1999, 3:51:25 AM, Paul wrote:
>
>> PD> "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>>> OFF TOPIC!!!!!!
>
>> I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all*
>> the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim.
>> Both Philofractal and Fractint seem to have died to one or two
>> messages per diem.   This is correct?
>
>> PD> (What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?)
>
>> Is someone else having the same problem?
>
>It's starting to look that way. Tim, any idea what's up?
>
Maybe messages are being lost to the "Virus Warning" virus
:-)

But I also suspect I'm missing messages (I didn't receive Tim's _OFF TOPIC_
post either.)




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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:35:55 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: missing messages

In article <[e-mail]>,
    John Wilson <[e-mail]>  writes:

> I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all*
> the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim.

That's because Tim sent it as email to Paul "Chicken Little"
Derbyshire, and Paul felt the need to respond to the list.  When the
administrator of a list sends you private email that suggests your
posts are off topic, you ought to step back and pause for a moment
before inflicting more messages on the subscriber base.

By the way, the fractint mailing list is archived in xmission, which
is why I know that the message in question was not sent to the list.
If one ever fears that messages are going to the list and not being
received in your emailbox, you can always double check the archives.

You can find the archives at
<ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/>
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Date: 5 Jun 99 21:41:30 MDT
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [(fractint) Re: missing messages]

Phil McRevis <[e-mail]> wrote:

> That's because Tim sent it as email to Paul "Chicken Little"
> Derbyshire, and Paul felt the need to respond to the list.

He did? I thought he sent it on the list. It had the list message identif=
ier
on it.

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:04:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Some pars

These are some pars  of common fractal types that are zoomed
and aspected in interesting ways:


lorentzoom         { ; lorentz good background                    John Cerra
  reset=1950 type=lorenz corners=-2.58/2.58/11.06322/16.22322
  params=0.02/5/15/1 float=y inside=bof60
  colors=00000e0e00eee00e0eeL0eeeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzz
  }

lorentzoom2        { ; lorentz -      has perspective              John Cerra
  reset=1950 type=lorenz corners=-0.96/0.96/8.881402/15.90992
  params=0.02/5/15/1 float=y inside=bof60
  colors=00000e0e00eee00e0eeL0eeeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzz
  }

kamweb             { ; zoomed kamtorus                              John Cerra
  reset=1950 type=kamtorus corners=-0.266/0.266/-0.29215442/0.29215442
  params=2/0.005/1.5/150 float=y inside=bof60
  colors=000g`inhv<2>DlLJqGdyiI6V<3>itRPE8VLKaTX
  }

        My thanks to the many "fractintonians" who have helped me
get a grasp of this great program

JOhn J. Cerra
http://members.aol.com/jncerra/index.htm

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:24:18 +0200
From: "Randall Britten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Animated gifs

Did you know, Fractint can open animated gifs.  It seems to animate them
faster than web browsers do.

Fractal animations are really cool.  I will put up some requests on the
wishlist if they are not already there, things like "Fractal Filmer" allows
you to do, but better, allowing you to compose an actual animation, rather
than having to get hold of some external animation tool.

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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:15:57 -0700
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Animated gifs

At 07:24 PM 6/9/99 +0200, Randall Britten wrote:
>Did you know, Fractint can open animated gifs.  It seems to animate them
>faster than web browsers do.

Unfortunately, it doesn't repeat.  Interesting nonetheless.

>Fractal animations are really cool.

For those who enjoy animations, I have an animated GIF (200k)
of an affine transformation on my site at

http://www.hooked.net/room9a.htm

Now that I think of it, that would be a really neat way to
demonstrate the evolution of a fractal image... (hmmm)
maybe later.


Aloha, Bud

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